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why do you like it so much
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Would Donald Trump be the most dangerous man in the world if he becomes President?
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why do you like it so muchTrump is definately not a progressive....that is why the GOP'ers and democrats hate him.....No....Trump is a non-politician businessman....a moderate....Trump is a New Deal, FDR, Democrat!
No he is a "progressive" running as a Republican..
That is why the far left hates so much!
Trump is closer to the center than Hilary.
Actually the Republicans via their history have been the true progressives.
Just that the Dems were hijacked by the left, that is why the GOP has so many different schools of thought.
Many GOPers just want the status quo regardless of who is in the white house.
The Bush family is friends with Clintons, so it is no surprise that they would back the war monger Hilary. And you see that the far left will always vote worse than Bush. So that means that Trump is better than Bush.
Like what so much?
nicoleivy5
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never mindwhy do you like it so muchTrump is definately not a progressive....that is why the GOP'ers and democrats hate him.....No....Trump is a non-politician businessman....a moderate....
No he is a "progressive" running as a Republican..
That is why the far left hates so much!
Trump is closer to the center than Hilary.
Actually the Republicans via their history have been the true progressives.
Just that the Dems were hijacked by the left, that is why the GOP has so many different schools of thought.
Many GOPers just want the status quo regardless of who is in the white house.
The Bush family is friends with Clintons, so it is no surprise that they would back the war monger Hilary. And you see that the far left will always vote worse than Bush. So that means that Trump is better than Bush.
Like what so much?
wow thats a lot of bad news on trumpI don't think Trump uses fascist terms and styles
Maybe he just want to act like a "nationalist"
Just because he used a Mussolini's quote a few months ago that does not mean he's a fascist or pseudo-fascist
Alright, I admit pinning him as a fascist is a bit difficult this early in the game- he doesn't have armies of paramilitaries, even if some Trump supporters seem to wish he did. That being said, there's a lot concerning Trump that is pretty awful. Here's a partial list...
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Trump openly calls for the U.S to commit war crimes and advocates for the murder of innocent women and children.
Trump doubles down after veterans speak out claiming U.S soldiers would not commit war crimes or torture children even if ordered to. Trump responds with, “They’re not going to refuse me. If I say do it, they’re going to do it.“
- http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/12/15/3732671/trump-isis-kill-family-members/
- Donald Trump reiterates desire to murder terrorists' families
- Donald Trump on terrorists: 'Take out their families' - CNNPolitics.com
- http://www.dailywire.com/news/3891/trumps-horrifying-anti-military-slur-last-nights-ben-shapiro/
- Donald Trump says he’d force U.S. military to commit war crimes
Trump on torture: “Even if it doesn’t work they probably deserved it anyway.”
- Donald Trump says he’d force U.S. military to commit war crimes
- Geneva Conventions bar Donald Trump's idea of killing terrorists' families, as Rand Paul says
- Donald Trump doubles down on torture, war crimes
- The US Military Will Commit Donald Trump's War Crimes
- Donald Trump Says Military "Won't Refuse" His Orders to Commit War Crimes
- A retired major general sets Trump straight after he advocates war crimes
- Donald Trump Wants to Commit War Crimes and Neocons Still Think He's Too Moderate | Democracy Now!
More here:
- Trump's stance on torture is un-American (opinion) - CNN.com
- Trump on Waterboarding: It Works, But Even ‘If It Doesn’t Work, They Deserve It Anyway’
- Donald Trump on waterboarding: 'Even if it doesn't work they deserve it'
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A final response to the "Tell me why Trump is a fascist". • /r/EnoughTrumpSpam
And that's just the first page. Here's the second...
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Trump renews calls for torture citing public executions and mass rape committed by ISIS promising for the U.S to do the same, “fighting fire with fire.”
Trump says Geneva Conventions a problem and needs to be changed since, US soldiers are to afraid to do their job due to laws which outline the definition of war crimes.
Trump threatens to shoot down Russian planes starting war with Russia.
Trump says he, "won’t rule out” using nuclear weapons in Europe.
Trump calls for a global nuclear rearmament.
Trump says he would declare a World War as President.
- Donald Trump thinks more countries should have nuclear weapons. Here’s what the research says.
- Trump Wants to Free the Nuclear Genie
Trump's solution for high gas prices is to violate The Geneva Convention by invading several of America's allies in the Middle East and Africa unprovoked to forcibly seize the oil fields for himself.
- Donald Trump and Bill O'Reilly declare 'world war scenario'
- http://thinkprogress.org/world/2016/07/14/3798566/trump-muslim-blame-nice-france/
- Trump And O'Reilly Agree: It's World War III!
When asked for clarification about the above mentioned plan to steal land from multiple nations on two different continents Trump responded with, “We’re not stealing anything. We’re taking.“
- Donald Trump's Solution on Gas Prices: Get Tough With Saudi Arabia; Seize Oil Fields in Libya and Iraq?
- Dumbest Guy in the Room: Donald Trump's Energy Policy
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The article is about 12 pages long. Here's the rest:
A final response to the "Tell me why Trump is a fascist". • /r/EnoughTrumpSpam
Bullshit.
Because ex wives NEVER have an ax to grind.....moron.Donald Trump is one of the most dangerous men in the word
"But that is precisely what Trump wants: to be feared. His bid for the White House, long ridiculed, is a fight for a ruthless, brutal America. Behind his campaign slogan "Make America great again!" is the vision of a country that no longer cares about international treaties, ethnic minorities or established standards of decency.
Trump wants to attack head-first again. The 69-year-old embodies a new harshness and brutality, and both a physical and emotional crudeness."
Do you think he will be the most dangerous man in the world? Who will be more dangerous than Trump if he wins?
I think he's -already- one of the most dangerous men in the world. Making him president would only make him more so. This is a guy who his ex wife said kept Hitler's "My New Order" next to his bed...
Donald Trump's ex-wife once said Trump kept a book of Hitler's speeches by his bed
Once again nicolei, please note the debased nature of those who support Trump. They are not keen on policies, they are keen on base insults and are prime material for being whipped up into a violent frenzy...
Where are all the moderates?? Our choices are one extreme or the other.
Deport the illegals, bring back manufacturing jobs, and stop fucking with Russia.
If THAT is "extreme" then the problem is US, not Trump.
No....Trump is a non-politician businessman....a moderate....Trump is a moderate......Where are all the moderates?? Our choices are one extreme or the other.
Trump is a New Deal, FDR, Democrat!
Pragmatic, not ideological.
LordBrownTrout
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Sure but Clinton will be the one who ushers in ww3. Remember, she voted for the Iraq war. Trump had no say.
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Sure but Clinton will be the one who ushers in ww3. Remember, she voted for the Iraq war. Trump had no say.
Trump certainly talked a good game about his early opposition to the war. The truth is somewhat different...
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Here's a quick guide to Trump's various position on the war:
- "I'm no warmonger. But the fact is, if we decide a strike against Iraq is necessary, it is madness not to carry the mission to its conclusion. When we don't, we have the worst of all worlds: Iraq remains a threat, and now has more incentive than ever to attack us." (Trump's 2000 book, The America We Deserve)
- "Yeah, I guess so; I wish the first time it was done correctly." (Interview withHoward Stern, 2002)
- "Either you attack or you don't attack." (Interview with Neil Cavuto, 2003)
- "Well, he has either got to do something or not do something, perhaps, because perhaps shouldn't be doing it yet and perhaps we should be waiting for the United Nations, you know. He's under a lot of pressure. He's—I think he's doing a very good job." (Same interview)
- "I think Wall Street's waiting to see what happens but even before the fact they're obviously taking it a little bit for granted and it looks like a tremendous success from a military standpoint and I think this is really nothing compared to what you're gonna see after the war is over." (Fox News, one day into the 2003 invasion)
- "Look at the war in Iraq and the mess that we're in. I would never have handled it that way. Does anybody really believe that Iraq is going to be a wonderful democracy where people are going to run down to the voting box and gently put in their ballot and the winner is happily going to step up to lead the county? C'mon. Two minutes after we leave, there's going to be a revolution, and the meanest, toughest, smartest, most vicious guy will take over. And he'll have weapons of mass destruction, which Saddam didn't have." (Esquire, 2004)
- "How do they get out? You know how they get out? They get out. That's how they get out. Declare victory and leave. Because I'll tell you, this country is just going to get further bogged down. They're in a civil war over there, Wolf. There's nothing that we're going to be able to do with a civil war. They are in a major civil war." (CNN, 2007)
"We should have never gone into Iraq," he told Fox News in 2015. "I've said it loud and clear. I was visited by people from the White House asking me to sort of could I be silenced because I seem to get a disproportionate amount of publicity. I mean I was very strong: 'You're going to destabilize the Middle East.'"
At a Republican debate in February, he reiterated his position, bragging that his outspoken statements of dissent were particularly noteworthy because he was only a private citizen. "I'm the only one on this stage that said, 'Do not go into Iraq, do not attack Iraq,'" Trump said. "Nobody else on this stage said that. And I said it loud and strong. And I was in the private sector. I wasn't a politician, fortunately. But I said it, and I said it loud and clear, 'You'll destabilize the Middle East.' That’s exactly what happened."
But when he was confronted with his 2002 comments on Howard Stern (Stern: "Are you for invading Iraq?" Trump: "Yeah, I guess") later that month, Trump seemed at a loss. "I really don’t even know what I mean because that was a long time ago and who knows what was in my head," he told Chuck Todd.
Trump continued to talk up his Iraq opposition on the stump, though, and by the time he was confronted with his 2002 comments again in May, by Fox News' Bret Baier, he had a (slightly) more fluid response. "I'm talking to Howard Stern, weeks before, the first time anybody had ever asked," he said. "And don't forget, I was a civilian. The first time anyone ever asked me about the war, about should we go in, because it was a question, are we going in? And I said very weakly, 'Well, blah, blah, blah, yes, I guess.'"
By June, Trump had locked up the nomination, but he still hadn't offered up any of the supposed two-dozen articles that he claimed would vindicate his claim of having opposed the war from the start. He told CNN's Jake Tapper that there were plenty of articles attesting to his criticism from 2004 and on (true) and said of the infamous Stern interview, "even that, it wasn't like, 'oh yeah, we should go in.' It was a very, like, 'yeah, maybe.'"
Trump has still never produced an article or an interview from before the invasion that back up his claims of "loud and clear" criticism. And in recent months, surrogates have excused the absence of evidence by noting that Trump was just a simple businessman—so of course no one asked him. But in September, Trump threw yet another explanation into the mix. He did speak out—he just did it in private phone conversations with Sean Hannity.**
Read more at: What did Donald Trump say on the Iraq war and when did he say it?
So there you have it- from a critic so vocal that Bush Jr. decided to send a delegation his way in order to "calm him down", to whispering sweet nothings in Sean Hannity's ear
...Someone who actually -did- oppose the Iraq war from the start was Bernie Sanders:
List of Congressional opponents of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
LordBrownTrout
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Sure but Clinton will be the one who ushers in ww3. Remember, she voted for the Iraq war. Trump had no say.
Trump certainly talked a good game about his early opposition to the war. The truth is somewhat different...
**
Here's a quick guide to Trump's various position on the war:
Trump's evolution on Iraq tracks closely with that of many Americans. As theWashington Post has pointed out, his public criticism of the invasion coincided with the broader shift in American public opinion on the war's conduct. But as he mounted his bid for the presidency, Trump began to tell a very different story—that of a lone truth-teller. Last September he said that his debate audience could find "25 different stories" on his opposition to the invasion of Iraq, and he introduced a new bit of drama that had not been disclosed previously: Trump's vocal criticism of the march to war in the press had so unnerved President George W. Bush that he sent a delegation to Trump Tower to calm him down.
- "I'm no warmonger. But the fact is, if we decide a strike against Iraq is necessary, it is madness not to carry the mission to its conclusion. When we don't, we have the worst of all worlds: Iraq remains a threat, and now has more incentive than ever to attack us." (Trump's 2000 book, The America We Deserve)
- "Yeah, I guess so; I wish the first time it was done correctly." (Interview withHoward Stern, 2002)
- "Either you attack or you don't attack." (Interview with Neil Cavuto, 2003)
- "Well, he has either got to do something or not do something, perhaps, because perhaps shouldn't be doing it yet and perhaps we should be waiting for the United Nations, you know. He's under a lot of pressure. He's—I think he's doing a very good job." (Same interview)
- "I think Wall Street's waiting to see what happens but even before the fact they're obviously taking it a little bit for granted and it looks like a tremendous success from a military standpoint and I think this is really nothing compared to what you're gonna see after the war is over." (Fox News, one day into the 2003 invasion)
- "Look at the war in Iraq and the mess that we're in. I would never have handled it that way. Does anybody really believe that Iraq is going to be a wonderful democracy where people are going to run down to the voting box and gently put in their ballot and the winner is happily going to step up to lead the county? C'mon. Two minutes after we leave, there's going to be a revolution, and the meanest, toughest, smartest, most vicious guy will take over. And he'll have weapons of mass destruction, which Saddam didn't have." (Esquire, 2004)
- "How do they get out? You know how they get out? They get out. That's how they get out. Declare victory and leave. Because I'll tell you, this country is just going to get further bogged down. They're in a civil war over there, Wolf. There's nothing that we're going to be able to do with a civil war. They are in a major civil war." (CNN, 2007)
"We should have never gone into Iraq," he told Fox News in 2015. "I've said it loud and clear. I was visited by people from the White House asking me to sort of could I be silenced because I seem to get a disproportionate amount of publicity. I mean I was very strong: 'You're going to destabilize the Middle East.'"
At a Republican debate in February, he reiterated his position, bragging that his outspoken statements of dissent were particularly noteworthy because he was only a private citizen. "I'm the only one on this stage that said, 'Do not go into Iraq, do not attack Iraq,'" Trump said. "Nobody else on this stage said that. And I said it loud and strong. And I was in the private sector. I wasn't a politician, fortunately. But I said it, and I said it loud and clear, 'You'll destabilize the Middle East.' That’s exactly what happened."
But when he was confronted with his 2002 comments on Howard Stern (Stern: "Are you for invading Iraq?" Trump: "Yeah, I guess") later that month, Trump seemed at a loss. "I really don’t even know what I mean because that was a long time ago and who knows what was in my head," he told Chuck Todd.
Trump continued to talk up his Iraq opposition on the stump, though, and by the time he was confronted with his 2002 comments again in May, by Fox News' Bret Baier, he had a (slightly) more fluid response. "I'm talking to Howard Stern, weeks before, the first time anybody had ever asked," he said. "And don't forget, I was a civilian. The first time anyone ever asked me about the war, about should we go in, because it was a question, are we going in? And I said very weakly, 'Well, blah, blah, blah, yes, I guess.'"
By June, Trump had locked up the nomination, but he still hadn't offered up any of the supposed two-dozen articles that he claimed would vindicate his claim of having opposed the war from the start. He told CNN's Jake Tapper that there were plenty of articles attesting to his criticism from 2004 and on (true) and said of the infamous Stern interview, "even that, it wasn't like, 'oh yeah, we should go in.' It was a very, like, 'yeah, maybe.'"
Trump has still never produced an article or an interview from before the invasion that back up his claims of "loud and clear" criticism. And in recent months, surrogates have excused the absence of evidence by noting that Trump was just a simple businessman—so of course no one asked him. But in September, Trump threw yet another explanation into the mix. He did speak out—he just did it in private phone conversations with Sean Hannity.**
Read more at: What did Donald Trump say on the Iraq war and when did he say it?
So there you have it- from a critic so vocal that Bush Jr. decided to send a delegation his way in order to "calm him down", to whispering sweet nothings in Sean Hannity's ear
Someone who actually -did- oppose the Iraq war from the start was Bernie Sanders:
List of Congressional opponents of the Iraq War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That doesnt negate the fact that clinton voted for the war and will push us into our final war.
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Donald Trump is one of the most dangerous men in the word
"But that is precisely what Trump wants: to be feared. His bid for the White House, long ridiculed, is a fight for a ruthless, brutal America. Behind his campaign slogan "Make America great again!" is the vision of a country that no longer cares about international treaties, ethnic minorities or established standards of decency.
Trump wants to attack head-first again. The 69-year-old embodies a new harshness and brutality, and both a physical and emotional crudeness."
Do you think he will be the most dangerous man in the world? Who will be more dangerous than Trump if he wins?
I'm skeered.
nicoleivy5
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im skeered tooDonald Trump is one of the most dangerous men in the word
"But that is precisely what Trump wants: to be feared. His bid for the White House, long ridiculed, is a fight for a ruthless, brutal America. Behind his campaign slogan "Make America great again!" is the vision of a country that no longer cares about international treaties, ethnic minorities or established standards of decency.
Trump wants to attack head-first again. The 69-year-old embodies a new harshness and brutality, and both a physical and emotional crudeness."
Do you think he will be the most dangerous man in the world? Who will be more dangerous than Trump if he wins?
I'm skeered.
nicoleivy5
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hahahaI'm skeered of Hillary's face.
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Donald Trump is one of the most dangerous men in the word
"But that is precisely what Trump wants: to be feared. His bid for the White House, long ridiculed, is a fight for a ruthless, brutal America. Behind his campaign slogan "Make America great again!" is the vision of a country that no longer cares about international treaties, ethnic minorities or established standards of decency.
Trump wants to attack head-first again. The 69-year-old embodies a new harshness and brutality, and both a physical and emotional crudeness."
Do you think he will be the most dangerous man in the world? Who will be more dangerous than Trump if he wins?
Trump being the president is a bridge that America will never have to cross.
nicoleivy5
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true that bridge will never be crossedDonald Trump is one of the most dangerous men in the word
"But that is precisely what Trump wants: to be feared. His bid for the White House, long ridiculed, is a fight for a ruthless, brutal America. Behind his campaign slogan "Make America great again!" is the vision of a country that no longer cares about international treaties, ethnic minorities or established standards of decency.
Trump wants to attack head-first again. The 69-year-old embodies a new harshness and brutality, and both a physical and emotional crudeness."
Do you think he will be the most dangerous man in the world? Who will be more dangerous than Trump if he wins?
Trump being the president is a bridge that America will never have to cross.
nicoleivy5
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yeah not trumps problemWhere are all the moderates?? Our choices are one extreme or the other.
Deport the illegals, bring back manufacturing jobs, and stop fucking with Russia.
If THAT is "extreme" then the problem is US, not Trump.
nicoleivy5
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yeah he needs to leave russia aloneWhere are all the moderates?? Our choices are one extreme or the other.
Deport the illegals, bring back manufacturing jobs, and stop fucking with Russia.
If THAT is "extreme" then the problem is US, not Trump.
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Where are all the moderates?? Our choices are one extreme or the other.
Deport the illegals, bring back manufacturing jobs, and stop fucking with Russia.
If THAT is "extreme" then the problem is US, not Trump.
SOME of his ideas are extreme. Deport the illegals. Okay, if they are caught doing something, then deport them. He has to take it a step into extremesville and say "round them up and deport them!" That is just silly and would be costly to the taxpayers.
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