Wow, the Left really turning on Obama

[JoeB131]

So . . . I guess basically what all of you liberals are claiming is that nothing is going to change, no new taxes, no hikes in taxes, no hikes in premiums and no effects on the job market due to Obamacare. Everything is going to remain EXACTLY the same and everyone is going to have health insurance cheap!!! YAY!!! Lol.

I'm saying that you guys have been telling these ghost stories for five years now, and frankly, if anything, for most folks, nothing has changed or things have gotten better.

 

[ChrisL]

What are you democrats going to do when you run out of other people's money anyway? There must be a limit to your greed. With the economy hurting, people taking pay cuts, where do you think all of this money is going to come from? And just where does this taxation stop? How much MORE of a percentage of my income do you want to take?

It's not a matter of running out of other people's money. It's a matter of allocating it fairly.

The delusion you guys have is the rich "Deserve" their money because they "Created" wealth. This is utter horseshit. They just took a really large slice of pie when the pie was baked.

I think that people deserve the money they earned, yes. Unless you could prove that a "rich person" did something illegal to get the money they have, then I don't see how your argument is valid at all. Are you just trying to say that every rich person got rich by doing illegal things? I don't believe that. We have plenty of people who have gotten rich by working hard too.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[ChrisL]

Well, I live here in Massachusetts. We have very FEW jobs, and the ones that we do have are mostly part-time and/or temporary jobs. We who live here can see how it has affected the job market. Also, hourly based rate wages are pretty stagnant as well.

New Study Romneycare Cost Massachusetts 18 000 Jobs National Review Online

So all you have is your own personal anecdotal impressions and an article that is 3 years out of date?

Do you think I'm lying? Well, I'm not. We have had a huge increase in temporary and part-time jobs and a loss of full-time jobs here in Massachusetts. I expect it to happen in your state soon as well.

You might not be lying because you believe all the partisan rhetoric that you are gullible enough to swallow without question.

You are trying to make a link between the economy and the ACA. However nonpartisan economists will tell you that we are still suffering from the 2nd great depression. It will probably last until 2020. The ACA is actually alleviating a lot of the suffering that would otherwise be incurred by people working temp jobs and unable to afford healthcare.

So far you haven't provided anything credible that substantiates your allegation. The current economic conditions are not optimal for job growth but the cause is far greater than just Obamacare. The situation would probably be much better had the Republicans opted to do what was best for the American people rather than follow their partisan agenda of making Obama a "failure".

I am basing my statements on my observations on what is happening around me, in my state, regardless of your assumptions.

I think it is completely naive to think that Obamacare is NOT going to have unintended consequences on jobs. It most certainly is!!!

Except that you cannot provide a single credible source that is backed up with data that demonstrates your belief.

But I have, several actually. You guys just don't like the source, but the data is still correct.

 

[ChrisL]

So . . . I guess basically what all of you liberals are claiming is that nothing is going to change, no new taxes, no hikes in taxes, no hikes in premiums and no effects on the job market due to Obamacare. Everything is going to remain EXACTLY the same and everyone is going to have health insurance cheap!!! YAY!!! Lol.

I'm saying that you guys have been telling these ghost stories for five years now, and frankly, if anything, for most folks, nothing has changed or things have gotten better.

You would be wrong. Things have not gotten better. All I have to do is to look in the help wanted section of my newspaper to see that. Also, like I said, a lot of jobs that used to be permanent full-time jobs, have now become part-time and/or temporary positions.

 

[Freewill]

I think what we are going to see is a nationwide increase in temporary and part-time jobs, while employers do away with full-time employees who are "too expensive." Of course it's hard to say whether the rise in temporary and part-time jobs is simply because of the bad economy or if it is because of Obamacare, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if employers would choose to hire on more temporary and part-time workers because of it.

Major Newspapers link Obamacare to Increase in Part-time and Temp Jobs Networks Ignore Media Research Center

Could be but what I think will also happen is those with a job will be married to that job. There will be OT out the ass and vacations will be frowned upon. They are already doing more for less that is why the corporation profits are at an all time high in a bad economy. So you will get liberals working many hours of overtime bragging about how much they made and how Obama helped them. Never realizing they are giving it to their friends and brothers big time.

 

[Vigilante]

In Case You Missed It Dept.:

Oops! A man posing as a congressman got backstage at a recent Obama event. They should've known better. A Congressman who wanted to be seen next to Obama THIS close to an election?

 

[ChrisL]

• Medicine Cabinet Tax
Over the counter medicines no longer qualified as medical expenses for flexible spending accounts (FSAs), health reimbursement arrangements (HRAs), health savings accounts (HSAs), and Archer Medical Saving accounts (MSAs).

Okay. I have an HSA, and I couldn't use it for over the counter medicines BEFORE ObamaCare. this was really the best you can come up with?

Sorry, but that article is sourced from here! You can't argue with THIS source, bugger.

JCX-6-13

 

[EriktheRed]

So . . . I guess basically what all of you liberals are claiming is that nothing is going to change, no new taxes, no hikes in taxes, no hikes in premiums and no effects on the job market due to Obamacare. Everything is going to remain EXACTLY the same and everyone is going to have health insurance cheap!!! YAY!!! Lol.

I'm saying that you guys have been telling these ghost stories for five years now, and frankly, if anything, for most folks, nothing has changed or things have gotten better.

Oh, but Joe...

Didn't you see all of those great ads that they ran with people who got totally devastated by big, bad Obamacare? Y'know, the ones that totally held up under scrutiny?

/sarcasm

 

[JoeB131]

It is official....congratulations Chris...

ChrisL and friends...

You're only expressing your anger at your failure to be able to address any of the cogent points and facts that were stated in my links. This much is obvious, and since you cannot address the facts, I suppose that means you have lost this debate. Lol! Yay for me!!

It's kind of hard to take you seriously when you just regurgitate whatever shit you heard on Hate Radio.

I also think it's funny that after you clowns on the right INSISTED on protecting the big insurance companies, you are surprised they are turning around and screwing people.

 

[ChrisL]

I think what we are going to see is a nationwide increase in temporary and part-time jobs, while employers do away with full-time employees who are "too expensive." Of course it's hard to say whether the rise in temporary and part-time jobs is simply because of the bad economy or if it is because of Obamacare, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if employers would choose to hire on more temporary and part-time workers because of it.

Major Newspapers link Obamacare to Increase in Part-time and Temp Jobs Networks Ignore Media Research Center

Could be but what I think will also happen is those with a job will be married to that job. There will be OT out the ass and vacations will be frowned upon. They are already doing more for less that is why the corporation profits are at an all time high in a bad economy. So you will get liberals working many hours of overtime bragging about how much they made and how Obama helped them. Never realizing they are giving it to their friends and brothers big time.

That is happening too. Because employers are hesitant to hire new employees, they will overwork their existing employees now.

 

[Rotagilla]

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It's not a matter of running out of other people's money. It's a matter of allocating it fairly.

The delusion you guys have is the rich "Deserve" their money because they "Created" wealth. This is utter horseshit. They just took a really large slice of pie when the pie was baked.

marxist doubletalk and class envy...

NO, guy, just a matter of common sense.

the 1% has 43% of the weatlh. Did they do 43% of the physical labor?

physical labor isn't the only method of legitimately acquiring/earning wealth.

marxism and socialism must have a poor, weak "victim" and a rich evil "exploiter" in order to grow.
Class warfare and racism sells to gullible people and serves that purpose.

 

[JoeB131]

• Medicine Cabinet Tax
Over the counter medicines no longer qualified as medical expenses for flexible spending accounts (FSAs), health reimbursement arrangements (HRAs), health savings accounts (HSAs), and Archer Medical Saving accounts (MSAs).

Okay. I have an HSA, and I couldn't use it for over the counter medicines BEFORE ObamaCare. this was really the best you can come up with?

Sorry, but that article is sourced from here! You can't argue with THIS source, bugger.
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You mean is it one of your whacky Wingnut sources?

Real world. Medical insurance has become cheaper for most of us.

 

[ChrisL]

It is official....congratulations Chris...

ChrisL and friends...

You're only expressing your anger at your failure to be able to address any of the cogent points and facts that were stated in my links. This much is obvious, and since you cannot address the facts, I suppose that means you have lost this debate. Lol! Yay for me!!

It's kind of hard to take you seriously when you just regurgitate whatever shit you heard on Hate Radio.

I also think it's funny that after you clowns on the right INSISTED on protecting the big insurance companies, you are surprised they are turning around and screwing people.

There are certainly other ways to get the insurance companies under control without the monstrosity that is Obamacare. Lol.

 

[JoeB131]

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physical labor isn't the only method of legitimately acquiring/earning wealth.

marxism and socialism must have a poor, weak "victim" and a rich evil "exploiter" in order to grow.
Class warfare and racism sells to gullible people and serves that purpose.

No, but it's the only method of creating it.

The Capitalist is a parasite that has convinced you he's a vital organ.

 

[EriktheRed]

It is official....congratulations Chris...

ChrisL and friends...

You're only expressing your anger at your failure to be able to address any of the cogent points and facts that were stated in my links. This much is obvious, and since you cannot address the facts, I suppose that means you have lost this debate. Lol! Yay for me!!

It's kind of hard to take you seriously when you just regurgitate whatever shit you heard on Hate Radio.

I also think it's funny that after you clowns on the right INSISTED on protecting the big insurance companies, you are surprised they are turning around and screwing people.

There are certainly other ways to get the insurance companies under control without the monstrosity that is Obamacare. Lol.

There is, but you wingnuts would like it even less.

 

[ChrisL]

• Medicine Cabinet Tax
Over the counter medicines no longer qualified as medical expenses for flexible spending accounts (FSAs), health reimbursement arrangements (HRAs), health savings accounts (HSAs), and Archer Medical Saving accounts (MSAs).

Okay. I have an HSA, and I couldn't use it for over the counter medicines BEFORE ObamaCare. this was really the best you can come up with?

Sorry, but that article is sourced from here! You can't argue with THIS source, bugger.
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You mean is it one of your whacky Wingnut sources?

Real world. Medical insurance has become cheaper for most of us.

It's from the Joint Committee of Taxation, moron. How about you try to click on a link for a change. Talk about regurgitating. YOUR posts are the equivalent of vomit.

 

[JoeB131]

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There are certainly other ways to get the insurance companies under control without the monstrosity that is Obamacare. Lol.

Okay. But here's the thing. They've been trying to do that for 30 years, and frankly, the behavior has gotten worse.

Example- redaction- Calling someone's acne a pre-existing condition for cancer.

The easiest way would be to abolish private insurance and put everyone on medicare. The people making money off it won't like it, but everyone else would.

 

[Rotagilla]

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physical labor isn't the only method of legitimately acquiring/earning wealth.

marxism and socialism must have a poor, weak "victim" and a rich evil "exploiter" in order to grow.
Class warfare and racism sells to gullible people and serves that purpose.

No, but it's the only method of creating it.

The Capitalist is a parasite that has convinced you he's a vital organ.

"Capitalism and communism stand at opposite poles. Their essential difference is this: The communist, seeing the rich man and his fine home, says: 'No man should have so much.' The capitalist, seeing the same thing, says: 'All men should have as much.' "
–Phelps Adams

 

[Freewill]

I think what we are going to see is a nationwide increase in temporary and part-time jobs, while employers do away with full-time employees who are "too expensive." Of course it's hard to say whether the rise in temporary and part-time jobs is simply because of the bad economy or if it is because of Obamacare, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if employers would choose to hire on more temporary and part-time workers because of it.

Major Newspapers link Obamacare to Increase in Part-time and Temp Jobs Networks Ignore Media Research Center

Could be but what I think will also happen is those with a job will be married to that job. There will be OT out the ass and vacations will be frowned upon. They are already doing more for less that is why the corporation profits are at an all time high in a bad economy. So you will get liberals working many hours of overtime bragging about how much they made and how Obama helped them. Never realizing they are giving it to their friends and brothers big time.

That is happening too. Because employers are hesitant to hire new employees, they will overwork their existing employees now.

Sure, you only have to pay benefits once that way.