WTC-7 Was A Controlled Demolition Inside Job

[Gamolon]

the trusses vs columns was just a for instance..an example of alternatives...but the question he repeatedly ask and received no reply seem to be his biggest problem..and one of those questions is..if no test show the temperatures required to weaken steel...where did that heat come from ? another is to ask why the alternative theorys were not tested as promised...and those test included..hypothetical blast scenarios...clearly he feels a independent investigation is required

What temperatures did they find the steel was subjected to?

about 500f exactly what you would expect to find in a normal building fire

Really?

I guess you just directly refuted your own claim that thermite was used since it burns at 4500F.

Have you done any research to find out what temperatures building fires can reach? I posted links, but you ignored them.

 

[Liability]

so what was the source heat in excess of jet fuel or office material ???

How DO you read with your eyes closed and your mind shut?

Try to pay attention for once.

I do not know the mechanism that caused the fire to burn so much hotter than would be expected. But it is apparent to anybody willing to consider the EVIDENCE that the fire DID burn hotter than expected. The article I posted come complete with pretty pictures, in fact.

You can say, "well, if we can't explain how the fire burned that hot, so it must not have burned that hot" all you wish, but it only makes you look like even more of an imbecile. For whether we know WHY it did so or not, we do have pretty clear proof that it DID burn that much hotter.

And once we know (and we do) that the fire DID burn much hotter than the circumstances seem to indicate would be expected, then the remaining question is: could that greatly increased heat have caused trusse, etc to WEAKEN (not "melt") to the point that they were unable to prevent the collapse?

The answer is "yes."

You have NO evidence for your fanciful superthermite notions.

But SCIENCE proves that the fire DID burn much hotter than we would normally predict under those circumstances.

the evidence that it did melt steel.. is the evidence of something more than fire

Yes. During the conflagration, tiny top secret government agents wearing protective firegear moved in under cover of the confusion and used acetelyne torches to cut the trusses, etc., at a variety of key locations, then planted the super-secret-radio-controlled detonators in the equally top secret charges of superthermite (in a building where radio communication was shown to have been tragically impeded), then they snuck out and remotely blew up the superthermite charges at the recently "cut" key locations to create the appearance of a tragic building collape resulting from the jet crashes, but which was ACTUALLY a controlled detonation.

Of course.

Why didn't you just say so?

Damn those Keebler Elves!

 

[Gamolon]

the evidence that it did melt steel.. is the evidence of something more than fire

Would you please make up your mind?

First you say that there weren't temperatures high enough to weaken steel. Then you say thermite was used which burns at 4500F. Then you say the forensic tests show that none of the recovered steel from the fire areas ever reached temperatures higher than 500F. Then you again say thermite was used, even though it burns at 4500F.

So which is it?

 

[JBeukema]

the evidence that it did melt steel.. is the evidence of something more than fire

Would you please make up your mind?

First you say that there weren't temperatures high enough to weaken steel. Then you say thermite was used which burns at 4500F. Then you say the forensic tests show that none of the recovered steel from the fire areas ever reached temperatures higher than 500F. Then you again say thermite was used, even though it burns at 4500F.

So which is it?

I'm going to guess 'none of the above'- final answer

 

[eots]

the evidence that it did melt steel.. is the evidence of something more than fire

Would you please make up your mind?

First you say that there weren't temperatures high enough to weaken steel. Then you say thermite was used which burns at 4500F. Then you say the forensic tests show that none of the recovered steel from the fire areas ever reached temperatures higher than 500F. Then you again say thermite was used, even though it burns at 4500F.

So which is it?

only the areas cut would show these extreme temperatures ..the rest of the metal would show the temperature of the overall fire...no sections cut where provided for testing so these temperatures where not found..except as you point out in dust samples independently tested that show molten blobs indicating indeed that metal had reached temperatures required not only the weaken steel but melt steel

 

[JBeukema]

so... it wasn't hot enough to soften the steel


but it was hot enough to melt it and leave it molten for weeks?

 

[eots]

JBeukema;1566407]so... it wasn't hot enough to soften the steel

it ?.. I assume you mean the kerosene and office fires ?..if so no the fires where not sufficient to weaken the steel in question

but it was hot enough to melt it and leave it molten for weeks?

it...(the fires )..would not be capable of producing this result...another source of heat
must of been present

 

[JBeukema]

Anyone have a tally sheet on how many times this moron's changed his CON$piracy theories?

 

[eots]

Anyone have a tally sheet on how many times this moron's changed his CON$piracy theories?

what a loser response...a lame attempt to run from the facts



National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation


This hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation. NIST also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. While NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, NIST would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements.

 

[DiveCon]

Anyone have a tally sheet on how many times this moron's changed his con$piracy theories?

what a loser response...a lame attempt to run from the facts



national institute of standards and technology (nist) federal building and fire safety investigation


this hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation. Nist also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. while nist has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, nist would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements.

qft

 

[eots]

Anyone have a tally sheet on how many times this moron's changed his con$piracy theories?

what a loser response...a lame attempt to run from the facts



national institute of standards and technology (nist) federal building and fire safety investigation


this hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation. Nist also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. while nist has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, nist would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements.

qft

omg..divot has gone candycorn on us thinking big block letters give any substance to his argument..lol


there is also no evidence of the temperatures required to cause failure...yet you ignore that fact...you also ignore the fact that scientist in the employee of NIST requested investigation of blast scenarios and NIST said they would be done.. but they were never done... you cant find evidence you don't look for or acknowledge

 

[DiveCon]

what a loser response...a lame attempt to run from the facts



national institute of standards and technology (nist) federal building and fire safety investigation


this hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation. Nist also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. while nist has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, nist would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements.

qft

omg..divot has gone candycorn on us thinking big block letters give any substance to his argument..lol


there is also no evidence of the temperatures required to cause failure...yet you ignore that fact...you also ignore the fact that scientist in the employee of NIST requested investigation of blast scenarios and NIST said they would be done.. but they were never done... you cant find evidence you don't look for or acknowledge

its called putting emphasis on the IMPORTANT parts that you seem to have missed

and as to the temps, you are LYING once again
there was TONS of evidence supporting the temps needed to weaken the steel

 

[eots]

the important part is that investigators at NIST requested this..it was promised but never delivered and after numerous request no response as to why it had not been done was ever given to lead fire investigator..

 

[JBeukema]

Anyone have a tally sheet on how many times this moron's changed his CON$piracy theories?

what a loser response...a lame attempt to run from the facts



National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation


This hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation. NIST also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. While NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, NIST would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements.

 

[JBeukema]

Anyone have a tally sheet on how many times this moron's changed his con$piracy theories?

what a loser response...a lame attempt to run from the facts



national institute of standards and technology (nist) federal building and fire safety investigation


this hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation. Nist also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. while nist has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, nist would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements.

qft

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DiveCon again.

dammit, Gunny... fuckin' ****-ass jew...

 

[JBeukema]

what a loser response...a lame attempt to run from the facts



national institute of standards and technology (nist) federal building and fire safety investigation


this hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation. Nist also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. while nist has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, nist would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements.

qft

omg..divot has gone candycorn on us thinking big block letters give any substance to his argument..lol

psst- you posted that

there is also no evidence of the temperatures required to cause failure..

seethe section I made red

 

[eots]

qft

omg..divot has gone candycorn on us thinking big block letters give any substance to his argument..lol

psst- you posted that

there is also no evidence of the temperatures required to cause failure..

seethe section I made red

how much more irrelevant can you be ??

 

[JBeukema]

omg..divot has gone candycorn on us thinking big block letters give any substance to his argument..lol

psst- you posted that

there is also no evidence of the temperatures required to cause failure..

seethe section I made red

how much more irrelevant can you be ??

I'm sorry, were we not supposed to read the source you posted that debunked your bullshit?


You're very obvious, nowadays. You used to play your role better.

 

[DiveCon]

psst- you posted that

seethe section I made red

how much more irrelevant can you be ??

I'm sorry, were we not supposed to read the source you posted that debunked your bullshit?


You're very obvious, nowadays. You used to play your role better.

he cant keep up with terral

 

[eots]

psst- you posted that

seethe section I made red

how much more irrelevant can you be ??

I'm sorry, were we not supposed to read the source you posted that debunked your bullshit?


You're very obvious, nowadays. You used to play your role better.

it debunks your bullshit in reality..it is a simple concept I am sure you understand..but to accept it would require you to admit your error so instead you do this