Yeah....how does a British guy get fully automatic machine guns, and a 74 gun arsenal?

[2aguy]

over 300 million firearms in legal private hands and murder is what 8000 remind us what percentage that is that would justify removing a right

Who wants to remove a right? A background check has nothing to do with rights. It will only stop someone who shouldn't be able to buy a gun anyway.

The democrat party wants to remove the right as do their minions in the press......

 

[2aguy]

So....what British gun law kept this guy from walking into a British elementary school....or whatever they call it over there, and murdering a bunch of children...considering even if the police showed up, they wouldn't have guns until their special units arrived....

Hmmmmmm, I believe that fully automatic weapons are completelly illegal on this island nation.....as are all the other guns this guy had........

How Did a "Gun Nut" Amass 160 Firearms in "Gun Free" UK? - The Truth About Guns

In the wake of three high-profile mass shootings — Las Vegas, Sutherland Springs and Rancho Tehema — I wonder if firearms freedom fence sitters are starting to get the message: gun control doesn’t work. Background checks don’t stop criminals, crazies and terrorists from tooling-up and going postal. Background checks don’t stop them. Assault weapon bans don’t stop them. Ammunition capacity laws don’t stop them. A bullet to the brain? That stops them! Here’s more proof [via dailyrecord.co.uk] . . .

An eccentric pensioner who was found to have a massive arsenal of weapons after the fire brigade rushed to put out a blaze at his home has been jailed for five years.

Paul Bushell had amassed around 160 firearms, some of which were loaded and included sub-machine guns and Russian-made AKM 47 rifles.

The 74-year-old stashed the weapons in a basement and in the top floor room at his Edwardian mid-terrace house, without any of his family knowing about it.

The guns found included a Sten submachine, a British Mk1 machine gun, an Armalite AR10 rifle, and a M10 sub-machine gun.

The pensioner also had a Kommando semi-automatic pistol, a Russian AKm47 rifle and a FN 1910 semi-automatic pistol.

Now I’m not saying that Mr. Bushell is a bad guy. None of the reports of his UK “arsenal” (not the football team) indicated that he planned to do anything nefarious with his firearms.

I highlight his case to make an obvious point: if a good guy can amass 74 firearms — including machine guns — in an island country American antis hail as a “gun free zone,” what are the chances that gun control laws canchoke off the firearms supply to bad guys in the U.S., a country with some 300m firearms in private hands? Exactly, precisely, none.

I don't know how he did that. What I want to know is how lots of people in this country are able to do the same thing legally, and how England is able to maintain such a low murder rate, They are doing something right. We need to find out what that is and do it too.

The current gun murder rate, which is lower than ours, went up after they banned guns....so it wasn't their gun control laws. Their criminals do not have a culture where they murder people easily and without reason.....that is the difference. That is changing as I keep pointing out. Their culture is creating more and more young male socipaths, they are importing violent sociopaths, and they are cutting their police forces......they are not doing anything right, they suffered a culture shock with World War 2 that slowed down the damaging effects of their welfare state....they don't have that anymore...

Read "Life at the Bottom." This details the decay of the British lower classes...and the increasing violence you find there....

They have 0.23 gun related deaths per 100,000 people We have 10.54. It is their gun control laws.They are doing it right. We aren't.
List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

And 'firearm related death' is an asinine statistic. Straight out homicide rate is what matters and what it shows is that culture is the issue here. Briton did not see any changes in the homicide trend lines when passing their major gun control measures. No effect.

The OP is trying to claim we should not follow anything Great Britain has done. He claims the way we are doing things is better, yet they have an almost immeasurable murder rate and an even smaller gun related death rate. They are doing it right. We are the ones with the massive problem. Since we are talking about gun related deaths, what do you think would be more important than guns being easily available to people who shouldn't have them, and not even a background check before those people are able to buy one, or many?

Please explain which British gun control law kept this man with 160 guns in Britain from going to the nearest grade school or day care center and murdering the children there.......please....use as much space as you need....

 

[2aguy]

Yeah.......they will want our pump action shot guns and bolt action rifles too...

Cumbria shootings - Wikipedia

The Cumbria shootings occurred on 2 June 2010 when a lone gunman, Derrick Bird, killed 12 people and injured 11 others before killing himself in Cumbria, England. Along with the 1987 Hungerford massacre, the 1989 Monkseaton shootings, and the 1996 Dunblane school massacre, it is one of the worst criminal acts involving firearms in British history.

 

[BULLDOG]

Lower than ours? You mean way lower than ours. Ours is 3.2 per 100,000, theirs is 0.04 per 100,000.

And yet it increased, for them, after they banned guns.....and their actual gun crime rate keeps going up....after they banned guns.....their gun control isn't controlling criminal access to guns...

Still tiny compared to ours. Try again when they get up to 1/4 of ours.

 

[BULLDOG]

So....what British gun law kept this guy from walking into a British elementary school....or whatever they call it over there, and murdering a bunch of children...considering even if the police showed up, they wouldn't have guns until their special units arrived....

Hmmmmmm, I believe that fully automatic weapons are completelly illegal on this island nation.....as are all the other guns this guy had........

How Did a "Gun Nut" Amass 160 Firearms in "Gun Free" UK? - The Truth About Guns

In the wake of three high-profile mass shootings — Las Vegas, Sutherland Springs and Rancho Tehema — I wonder if firearms freedom fence sitters are starting to get the message: gun control doesn’t work. Background checks don’t stop criminals, crazies and terrorists from tooling-up and going postal. Background checks don’t stop them. Assault weapon bans don’t stop them. Ammunition capacity laws don’t stop them. A bullet to the brain? That stops them! Here’s more proof [via dailyrecord.co.uk] . . .

An eccentric pensioner who was found to have a massive arsenal of weapons after the fire brigade rushed to put out a blaze at his home has been jailed for five years.

Paul Bushell had amassed around 160 firearms, some of which were loaded and included sub-machine guns and Russian-made AKM 47 rifles.

The 74-year-old stashed the weapons in a basement and in the top floor room at his Edwardian mid-terrace house, without any of his family knowing about it.

The guns found included a Sten submachine, a British Mk1 machine gun, an Armalite AR10 rifle, and a M10 sub-machine gun.

The pensioner also had a Kommando semi-automatic pistol, a Russian AKm47 rifle and a FN 1910 semi-automatic pistol.

Now I’m not saying that Mr. Bushell is a bad guy. None of the reports of his UK “arsenal” (not the football team) indicated that he planned to do anything nefarious with his firearms.

I highlight his case to make an obvious point: if a good guy can amass 74 firearms — including machine guns — in an island country American antis hail as a “gun free zone,” what are the chances that gun control laws canchoke off the firearms supply to bad guys in the U.S., a country with some 300m firearms in private hands? Exactly, precisely, none.

I don't know how he did that. What I want to know is how lots of people in this country are able to do the same thing legally, and how England is able to maintain such a low murder rate, They are doing something right. We need to find out what that is and do it too.

The current gun murder rate, which is lower than ours, went up after they banned guns....so it wasn't their gun control laws. Their criminals do not have a culture where they murder people easily and without reason.....that is the difference. That is changing as I keep pointing out. Their culture is creating more and more young male socipaths, they are importing violent sociopaths, and they are cutting their police forces......they are not doing anything right, they suffered a culture shock with World War 2 that slowed down the damaging effects of their welfare state....they don't have that anymore...

Read "Life at the Bottom." This details the decay of the British lower classes...and the increasing violence you find there....

They have 0.23 gun related deaths per 100,000 people We have 10.54. It is their gun control laws.They are doing it right. We aren't.
List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

No...again...you don't understand what you are posting. Their gun control laws aren't the factor....their culture used to keep their gun murder rate low....that isn't happening anymore......

Derp Derp Derp

 

[BULLDOG]

So....what British gun law kept this guy from walking into a British elementary school....or whatever they call it over there, and murdering a bunch of children...considering even if the police showed up, they wouldn't have guns until their special units arrived....

Hmmmmmm, I believe that fully automatic weapons are completelly illegal on this island nation.....as are all the other guns this guy had........

How Did a "Gun Nut" Amass 160 Firearms in "Gun Free" UK? - The Truth About Guns

In the wake of three high-profile mass shootings — Las Vegas, Sutherland Springs and Rancho Tehema — I wonder if firearms freedom fence sitters are starting to get the message: gun control doesn’t work. Background checks don’t stop criminals, crazies and terrorists from tooling-up and going postal. Background checks don’t stop them. Assault weapon bans don’t stop them. Ammunition capacity laws don’t stop them. A bullet to the brain? That stops them! Here’s more proof [via dailyrecord.co.uk] . . .

An eccentric pensioner who was found to have a massive arsenal of weapons after the fire brigade rushed to put out a blaze at his home has been jailed for five years.

Paul Bushell had amassed around 160 firearms, some of which were loaded and included sub-machine guns and Russian-made AKM 47 rifles.

The 74-year-old stashed the weapons in a basement and in the top floor room at his Edwardian mid-terrace house, without any of his family knowing about it.

The guns found included a Sten submachine, a British Mk1 machine gun, an Armalite AR10 rifle, and a M10 sub-machine gun.

The pensioner also had a Kommando semi-automatic pistol, a Russian AKm47 rifle and a FN 1910 semi-automatic pistol.

Now I’m not saying that Mr. Bushell is a bad guy. None of the reports of his UK “arsenal” (not the football team) indicated that he planned to do anything nefarious with his firearms.

I highlight his case to make an obvious point: if a good guy can amass 74 firearms — including machine guns — in an island country American antis hail as a “gun free zone,” what are the chances that gun control laws canchoke off the firearms supply to bad guys in the U.S., a country with some 300m firearms in private hands? Exactly, precisely, none.

I don't know how he did that. What I want to know is how lots of people in this country are able to do the same thing legally, and how England is able to maintain such a low murder rate, They are doing something right. We need to find out what that is and do it too.

How do you lower the gun murder rate...you stop letting violent gun criminals back out into society after they use a gun for crime....we could start there....the California shooter tried to murder someone and was out on bond.....then he went on his shooting spree with illegal guns...had they kept him in jail...after he tried to murder someone, then those people would still be alive.....

You could start there...

I thought you were going to give up on trying to trash Great Britain and start whining about Mexico.

I can post about the ineffective gun control laws in a lot of countries at one time....

But can you do it while you pat your head and rub your belly?

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't know how he did that. What I want to know is how lots of people in this country are able to do the same thing legally, and how England is able to maintain such a low murder rate, They are doing something right. We need to find out what that is and do it too.

The current gun murder rate, which is lower than ours, went up after they banned guns....so it wasn't their gun control laws. Their criminals do not have a culture where they murder people easily and without reason.....that is the difference. That is changing as I keep pointing out. Their culture is creating more and more young male socipaths, they are importing violent sociopaths, and they are cutting their police forces......they are not doing anything right, they suffered a culture shock with World War 2 that slowed down the damaging effects of their welfare state....they don't have that anymore...

Read "Life at the Bottom." This details the decay of the British lower classes...and the increasing violence you find there....

They have 0.23 gun related deaths per 100,000 people We have 10.54. It is their gun control laws.They are doing it right. We aren't.
List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

And 'firearm related death' is an asinine statistic. Straight out homicide rate is what matters and what it shows is that culture is the issue here. Briton did not see any changes in the homicide trend lines when passing their major gun control measures. No effect.

The OP is trying to claim we should not follow anything Great Britain has done. He claims the way we are doing things is better, yet they have an almost immeasurable murder rate and an even smaller gun related death rate. They are doing it right. We are the ones with the massive problem. Since we are talking about gun related deaths, what do you think would be more important than guns being easily available to people who shouldn't have them, and not even a background check before those people are able to buy one, or many?

Their criminals do not feel the need to murder their victims or cops. As their gun crime statistics show, they have guns...they use guns, they just haven't started murdering people in large numbers...yet.....but that is coming fairly soon....

Try again when that happens. Until then you're just a yapping chihuahua that won't shut up.

 

[BULLDOG]

over 300 million firearms in legal private hands and murder is what 8000 remind us what percentage that is that would justify removing a right

Who wants to remove a right? A background check has nothing to do with rights. It will only stop someone who shouldn't be able to buy a gun anyway.

The democrat party wants to remove the right as do their minions in the press......

That's nice. Want a cookie now?

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't know how he did that. What I want to know is how lots of people in this country are able to do the same thing legally, and how England is able to maintain such a low murder rate, They are doing something right. We need to find out what that is and do it too.

The current gun murder rate, which is lower than ours, went up after they banned guns....so it wasn't their gun control laws. Their criminals do not have a culture where they murder people easily and without reason.....that is the difference. That is changing as I keep pointing out. Their culture is creating more and more young male socipaths, they are importing violent sociopaths, and they are cutting their police forces......they are not doing anything right, they suffered a culture shock with World War 2 that slowed down the damaging effects of their welfare state....they don't have that anymore...

Read "Life at the Bottom." This details the decay of the British lower classes...and the increasing violence you find there....

They have 0.23 gun related deaths per 100,000 people We have 10.54. It is their gun control laws.They are doing it right. We aren't.
List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

And 'firearm related death' is an asinine statistic. Straight out homicide rate is what matters and what it shows is that culture is the issue here. Briton did not see any changes in the homicide trend lines when passing their major gun control measures. No effect.

The OP is trying to claim we should not follow anything Great Britain has done. He claims the way we are doing things is better, yet they have an almost immeasurable murder rate and an even smaller gun related death rate. They are doing it right. We are the ones with the massive problem. Since we are talking about gun related deaths, what do you think would be more important than guns being easily available to people who shouldn't have them, and not even a background check before those people are able to buy one, or many?

Please explain which British gun control law kept this man with 160 guns in Britain from going to the nearest grade school or day care center and murdering the children there.......please....use as much space as you need....

No idea. Which gun law would prevent you from shooting your own foot off?
Your turn.

 

[2aguy]

Lower than ours? You mean way lower than ours. Ours is 3.2 per 100,000, theirs is 0.04 per 100,000.

And yet it increased, for them, after they banned guns.....and their actual gun crime rate keeps going up....after they banned guns.....their gun control isn't controlling criminal access to guns...

Still tiny compared to ours. Try again when they get up to 1/4 of ours.

Yeah....and it still has nothing to do with their gun control laws...since their gun crime rate keeps going up....42% in London last year...London is now more dangerous than New York city....

 

[2aguy]

The current gun murder rate, which is lower than ours, went up after they banned guns....so it wasn't their gun control laws. Their criminals do not have a culture where they murder people easily and without reason.....that is the difference. That is changing as I keep pointing out. Their culture is creating more and more young male socipaths, they are importing violent sociopaths, and they are cutting their police forces......they are not doing anything right, they suffered a culture shock with World War 2 that slowed down the damaging effects of their welfare state....they don't have that anymore...

Read "Life at the Bottom." This details the decay of the British lower classes...and the increasing violence you find there....

They have 0.23 gun related deaths per 100,000 people We have 10.54. It is their gun control laws.They are doing it right. We aren't.
List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

And 'firearm related death' is an asinine statistic. Straight out homicide rate is what matters and what it shows is that culture is the issue here. Briton did not see any changes in the homicide trend lines when passing their major gun control measures. No effect.

The OP is trying to claim we should not follow anything Great Britain has done. He claims the way we are doing things is better, yet they have an almost immeasurable murder rate and an even smaller gun related death rate. They are doing it right. We are the ones with the massive problem. Since we are talking about gun related deaths, what do you think would be more important than guns being easily available to people who shouldn't have them, and not even a background check before those people are able to buy one, or many?

Please explain which British gun control law kept this man with 160 guns in Britain from going to the nearest grade school or day care center and murdering the children there.......please....use as much space as you need....

No idea. Which gun law would prevent you from shooting your own foot off?
Your turn.

Yep....you have nothing.....so now you are mad....

 

[BULLDOG]

Lower than ours? You mean way lower than ours. Ours is 3.2 per 100,000, theirs is 0.04 per 100,000.

And yet it increased, for them, after they banned guns.....and their actual gun crime rate keeps going up....after they banned guns.....their gun control isn't controlling criminal access to guns...

Still tiny compared to ours. Try again when they get up to 1/4 of ours.

Yeah....and it still has nothing to do with their gun control laws...since their gun crime rate keeps going up....42% in London last year...London is now more dangerous than New York city....

Wow, that sucks. They should have 5 times more cops on the street like New York does. Now compare the crime rate of England's 10 largest cities with the crime rate of our 10 largest cities. Now we're back to big numbers for us and tiny numbers for them. One city doesn't change the fact that England is doing it right, and we aren't.

 

[BULLDOG]

They have 0.23 gun related deaths per 100,000 people We have 10.54. It is their gun control laws.They are doing it right. We aren't.
List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

And 'firearm related death' is an asinine statistic. Straight out homicide rate is what matters and what it shows is that culture is the issue here. Briton did not see any changes in the homicide trend lines when passing their major gun control measures. No effect.

The OP is trying to claim we should not follow anything Great Britain has done. He claims the way we are doing things is better, yet they have an almost immeasurable murder rate and an even smaller gun related death rate. They are doing it right. We are the ones with the massive problem. Since we are talking about gun related deaths, what do you think would be more important than guns being easily available to people who shouldn't have them, and not even a background check before those people are able to buy one, or many?

Please explain which British gun control law kept this man with 160 guns in Britain from going to the nearest grade school or day care center and murdering the children there.......please....use as much space as you need....

No idea. Which gun law would prevent you from shooting your own foot off?
Your turn.

Yep....you have nothing.....so now you are mad....

Far from mad. I'm laughing so hard at you till I almost peed on myself.

 

[bodecea]

over 300 million firearms in legal private hands and murder is what 8000 remind us what percentage that is that would justify removing a right

Who wants to remove a right? A background check has nothing to do with rights. It will only stop someone who shouldn't be able to buy a gun anyway.

Are you kidding? GUNS FOR EVERYONE!

 

[BULLDOG]

over 300 million firearms in legal private hands and murder is what 8000 remind us what percentage that is that would justify removing a right

Who wants to remove a right? A background check has nothing to do with rights. It will only stop someone who shouldn't be able to buy a gun anyway.

Are you kidding? GUNS FOR EVERYONE!

So you decided to join the NRA? You know you will be required to start dipping snuff and dating your cousin, don't you?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

over 300 million firearms in legal private hands and murder is what 8000 remind us what percentage that is that would justify removing a right

Who wants to remove a right? A background check has nothing to do with rights. It will only stop someone who shouldn't be able to buy a gun anyway.

Are you kidding? GUNS FOR EVERYONE!

So you decided to join the NRA? You know you will be required to start dipping snuff and dating your cousin, don't you?

lets see waiting periods are law, background checks are law. what you want is to take weapons away from people not committing crimes while doing nothing about those that do commit crimes.

 

[BULLDOG]

over 300 million firearms in legal private hands and murder is what 8000 remind us what percentage that is that would justify removing a right

Who wants to remove a right? A background check has nothing to do with rights. It will only stop someone who shouldn't be able to buy a gun anyway.

Are you kidding? GUNS FOR EVERYONE!

So you decided to join the NRA? You know you will be required to start dipping snuff and dating your cousin, don't you?

lets see waiting periods are law, background checks are law. what you want is to take weapons away from people not committing crimes while doing nothing about those that do commit crimes.

Some background checks are law. I can legally buy a truckload of guns tomorrow without even giving my name, much less an ID or background check.

 

[FA_Q2]

So....what British gun law kept this guy from walking into a British elementary school....or whatever they call it over there, and murdering a bunch of children...considering even if the police showed up, they wouldn't have guns until their special units arrived....

Hmmmmmm, I believe that fully automatic weapons are completelly illegal on this island nation.....as are all the other guns this guy had........

How Did a "Gun Nut" Amass 160 Firearms in "Gun Free" UK? - The Truth About Guns

In the wake of three high-profile mass shootings — Las Vegas, Sutherland Springs and Rancho Tehema — I wonder if firearms freedom fence sitters are starting to get the message: gun control doesn’t work. Background checks don’t stop criminals, crazies and terrorists from tooling-up and going postal. Background checks don’t stop them. Assault weapon bans don’t stop them. Ammunition capacity laws don’t stop them. A bullet to the brain? That stops them! Here’s more proof [via dailyrecord.co.uk] . . .

An eccentric pensioner who was found to have a massive arsenal of weapons after the fire brigade rushed to put out a blaze at his home has been jailed for five years.

Paul Bushell had amassed around 160 firearms, some of which were loaded and included sub-machine guns and Russian-made AKM 47 rifles.

The 74-year-old stashed the weapons in a basement and in the top floor room at his Edwardian mid-terrace house, without any of his family knowing about it.

The guns found included a Sten submachine, a British Mk1 machine gun, an Armalite AR10 rifle, and a M10 sub-machine gun.

The pensioner also had a Kommando semi-automatic pistol, a Russian AKm47 rifle and a FN 1910 semi-automatic pistol.

Now I’m not saying that Mr. Bushell is a bad guy. None of the reports of his UK “arsenal” (not the football team) indicated that he planned to do anything nefarious with his firearms.

I highlight his case to make an obvious point: if a good guy can amass 74 firearms — including machine guns — in an island country American antis hail as a “gun free zone,” what are the chances that gun control laws canchoke off the firearms supply to bad guys in the U.S., a country with some 300m firearms in private hands? Exactly, precisely, none.

I don't know how he did that. What I want to know is how lots of people in this country are able to do the same thing legally, and how England is able to maintain such a low murder rate, They are doing something right. We need to find out what that is and do it too.

The current gun murder rate, which is lower than ours, went up after they banned guns....so it wasn't their gun control laws. Their criminals do not have a culture where they murder people easily and without reason.....that is the difference. That is changing as I keep pointing out. Their culture is creating more and more young male socipaths, they are importing violent sociopaths, and they are cutting their police forces......they are not doing anything right, they suffered a culture shock with World War 2 that slowed down the damaging effects of their welfare state....they don't have that anymore...

Read "Life at the Bottom." This details the decay of the British lower classes...and the increasing violence you find there....

They have 0.23 gun related deaths per 100,000 people We have 10.54. It is their gun control laws.They are doing it right. We aren't.
List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

And 'firearm related death' is an asinine statistic. Straight out homicide rate is what matters and what it shows is that culture is the issue here. Briton did not see any changes in the homicide trend lines when passing their major gun control measures. No effect.

The OP is trying to claim we should not follow anything Great Britain has done. He claims the way we are doing things is better, yet they have an almost immeasurable murder rate and an even smaller gun related death rate. They are doing it right. We are the ones with the massive problem. Since we are talking about gun related deaths, what do you think would be more important than guns being easily available to people who shouldn't have them, and not even a background check before those people are able to buy one, or many?

We need to focus on actually fixing the problem rather than blindly passing the same laws that have been shown over and over again to be ineffective.

 

[Skull Pilot]

So....what British gun law kept this guy from walking into a British elementary school....or whatever they call it over there, and murdering a bunch of children...considering even if the police showed up, they wouldn't have guns until their special units arrived....

Hmmmmmm, I believe that fully automatic weapons are completelly illegal on this island nation.....as are all the other guns this guy had........

How Did a "Gun Nut" Amass 160 Firearms in "Gun Free" UK? - The Truth About Guns

In the wake of three high-profile mass shootings — Las Vegas, Sutherland Springs and Rancho Tehema — I wonder if firearms freedom fence sitters are starting to get the message: gun control doesn’t work. Background checks don’t stop criminals, crazies and terrorists from tooling-up and going postal. Background checks don’t stop them. Assault weapon bans don’t stop them. Ammunition capacity laws don’t stop them. A bullet to the brain? That stops them! Here’s more proof [via dailyrecord.co.uk] . . .

An eccentric pensioner who was found to have a massive arsenal of weapons after the fire brigade rushed to put out a blaze at his home has been jailed for five years.

Paul Bushell had amassed around 160 firearms, some of which were loaded and included sub-machine guns and Russian-made AKM 47 rifles.

The 74-year-old stashed the weapons in a basement and in the top floor room at his Edwardian mid-terrace house, without any of his family knowing about it.

The guns found included a Sten submachine, a British Mk1 machine gun, an Armalite AR10 rifle, and a M10 sub-machine gun.

The pensioner also had a Kommando semi-automatic pistol, a Russian AKm47 rifle and a FN 1910 semi-automatic pistol.

Now I’m not saying that Mr. Bushell is a bad guy. None of the reports of his UK “arsenal” (not the football team) indicated that he planned to do anything nefarious with his firearms.

I highlight his case to make an obvious point: if a good guy can amass 74 firearms — including machine guns — in an island country American antis hail as a “gun free zone,” what are the chances that gun control laws canchoke off the firearms supply to bad guys in the U.S., a country with some 300m firearms in private hands? Exactly, precisely, none.

I don't know how he did that. What I want to know is how lots of people in this country are able to do the same thing legally, and how England is able to maintain such a low murder rate, They are doing something right. We need to find out what that is and do it too.

The UK's murder rate has nothing to do with their gun laws but rather their culture, history, socioeconomic and societal variables that differ from those of the US.

The UK passed it's first strict gun laws in the 60s and the murder rate did not drop after those laws were passed

 

[BULLDOG]

I don't know how he did that. What I want to know is how lots of people in this country are able to do the same thing legally, and how England is able to maintain such a low murder rate, They are doing something right. We need to find out what that is and do it too.

The current gun murder rate, which is lower than ours, went up after they banned guns....so it wasn't their gun control laws. Their criminals do not have a culture where they murder people easily and without reason.....that is the difference. That is changing as I keep pointing out. Their culture is creating more and more young male socipaths, they are importing violent sociopaths, and they are cutting their police forces......they are not doing anything right, they suffered a culture shock with World War 2 that slowed down the damaging effects of their welfare state....they don't have that anymore...

Read "Life at the Bottom." This details the decay of the British lower classes...and the increasing violence you find there....

They have 0.23 gun related deaths per 100,000 people We have 10.54. It is their gun control laws.They are doing it right. We aren't.
List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

And 'firearm related death' is an asinine statistic. Straight out homicide rate is what matters and what it shows is that culture is the issue here. Briton did not see any changes in the homicide trend lines when passing their major gun control measures. No effect.

The OP is trying to claim we should not follow anything Great Britain has done. He claims the way we are doing things is better, yet they have an almost immeasurable murder rate and an even smaller gun related death rate. They are doing it right. We are the ones with the massive problem. Since we are talking about gun related deaths, what do you think would be more important than guns being easily available to people who shouldn't have them, and not even a background check before those people are able to buy one, or many?

We need to focus on actually fixing the problem rather than blindly passing the same laws that have been shown over and over again to be ineffective.

All or nothing. Typical RWNJ