Yepp, Trump is still a birther!!

[MarcATL]

This dog is smarter than birthers. LOL!

That was a good one.

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[Skylar]

The truth of the matter is that it doesn't matter if President Barack Obama was born in Kenya. It wouldn't matter if he was born in Iraq for that matter he'd still be eligible to be President. His mother was American, therefore he's a natural born American. Case closed.

Folks who are perpetuating this claptrap are only showing the world how ignorant and racist they are.

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you are correct that it doesn't matter, because no one is going to do anything about it with only a year and a half left for him to screw up the country. But eventually the truth will come out, and it won't be pretty for you worshipers of the great obozo.

Yeah- you Birthers have been saying that for 7 years now.....and still the only truth that has come out is that Birthers lie, speculate and use innuendo- but Birthers do not use facts.

Strangely there aren't a whole lot of facts supporting the claim Bucky was born in Hawaii either. A forged birth certificate produced several months after the controversy arose?

The State of Hawaii affirmed he was born in Hawaii......at least 5 times. Twice in press confernces, once on their website, and 2 more times in court documents.

Remember, you ignoring evidence isn't the same thing as evidence not existing.

Not only was he born in Kenya, but he had his grandmother whacked just a few weeks before the election during a visit in Hawaii lest in the throes of senility she let out where he was really born.

Wow.....you've gone full batshit. Can you provide the slightest evidence that his grandmother was 'whacked'? Of course not. You don't even know how she died. Nor care.

That's how little evidence or reason has to do with your argument. You're running on pure conjecture, innuendo and emotion. And the part about birthers that defines their worthiness for being mocked and ridiculed?

They don't even care if their accusations are true.

That's why you're ilk are a national laughing stock. And should be.

Obviously when Bucky whacked his grandmother he didn't leave evidence.

Ah, so your evidence is the lack of it. Well, there's absolutely no evidence that the moon is made of cheese. By your standard, it therefore must be made of cheese.

Sigh.....birther logic. You can't fix stupid.

 

[RKMBrown]

LOL- and why didn't you ever want to see the records to see whether any white President was a foreign exchange student?

Because he's the first one born to a communist leader of a foreign country ya dumb shit.

Oh- so its not just because of his color

Because his father may have been a communist from Africa.

So you need to see his college records.

To see if he was a foreign exchange student.

LOL.....

Again, what hell does his skin color have to do with where he's from? You dumb ass racist piece of shit. My dog has an IQ that soars over your retarded ass.

And what does his father being a communist have to do with him being a foreign exchange student?

Hmmm nothing of course. It does sound better than "I want to see his college records because his father was black" though

Slightly

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My issue is with his political views.. you folks are too focused on skin color. Why do you measure a man by his skin color?

 

[Syriusly]

Because he's the first one born to a communist leader of a foreign country ya dumb shit.

Oh- so its not just because of his color

Because his father may have been a communist from Africa.

So you need to see his college records.

To see if he was a foreign exchange student.

LOL.....

Again, what hell does his skin color have to do with where he's from? You dumb ass racist piece of shit. My dog has an IQ that soars over your retarded ass.

And what does his father being a communist have to do with him being a foreign exchange student?

Hmmm nothing of course. It does sound better than "I want to see his college records because his father was black" though

Slightly

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My issue is with his political views.. you folks are too focused on skin color. Why do you measure a man by his skin color?

No one cares about your opposition to his political views.

Now what does Obama's political views have to do with your obsession about his college records.

 

[Syriusly]

The truth of the matter is that it doesn't matter if President Barack Obama was born in Kenya. It wouldn't matter if he was born in Iraq for that matter he'd still be eligible to be President. His mother was American, therefore he's a natural born American. Case closed.

Folks who are perpetuating this claptrap are only showing the world how ignorant and racist they are.

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you are correct that it doesn't matter, because no one is going to do anything about it with only a year and a half left for him to screw up the country. But eventually the truth will come out, and it won't be pretty for you worshipers of the great obozo.

Yeah- you Birthers have been saying that for 7 years now.....and still the only truth that has come out is that Birthers lie, speculate and use innuendo- but Birthers do not use facts.

Strangely there aren't a whole lot of facts supporting the claim Bucky was born in Hawaii either. A forged birth certificate produced several months after the controversy arose?

Not only was he born in Kenya, but he had his grandmother whacked just a few weeks before the election during a visit in Hawaii lest in the throes of senility she let out where he was really born.

"My grandson is going to be president of the United States! But I always thought you had to be born here to be president and Barry, he was born in Kenya....so maybe I was wrong."

She died just a few days after Bucky left Hawaii to continue campaigning.....you know...so it couldn't be tied to him.

You have gone off the deep end Saint.

Trying to out Birther Birthers.

 

[Syriusly]

List of Redfish’s Birther lies, speculations and innuendo

1) “Bill Clinton says Obama’s not American”

Of course there is no record of Bill Clinton saying that- there is only the uncorroborated statement on the record by one woman that Bill Clinton told her that he knew Obama was not eligible. (and that McCain was not eligible)

Status of Redfish’s claim: Lie


2) “Romney released his[college records] voluntarily”

Romney never released his college records, and Birthers never asked for them.

Status of Redfish’s claim: Lie

3) “Obama spent millions

“Perkins Cole of Seattle were paid to defend suits requesting release of his records in several states….they were paid over a million dollars to keep you and me from seeing his college records”

Investigated- and mostly false- as in there is no record that Obama’s campaign ever spent a million dollars defending against any Birther claims.

No President Obama Hasn t Spent Millions To Keep His Birth Certificate Private

So that leaves the funds paid to Perkins Coie. Trump’s and Palin’s claims assume that the vast majority of the money paid to Perkins Coie since the election was used to defend against lawsuits challenging Obama’s citizenship. We agree that some amount of money was spent in legal fees related to those lawsuits — the letter from Bauer to the plaintiff is an example of that. But, while we don’t know exactly how much the Obama camp spent on their private lawyers, there were many, many non-birth-certificate duties that a law firm typically handles in the wake of a presidential campaign, which suggests that any birth certificate work was a small percentage of the overall fees paid to Perkins Coie.

In addition- there were only 3 lawsuits that Obama was a defendant- and Perkins Cole didn’t represent Obama in most(all?) of the cases- and all were quickly dismissed.

Status of Redfish’s claim: Speculation

4) “nothing I have said is untrue”

LOL see above and below


5) “just pointing out the truth, carbon head. Hillary started it.”

There is no evidence that Hillary Clinton ever was involved with the Birther movement in any fashion or form. Some of her supporters- the so-called Puma’s were. The earliest recorded mention of the Birther claims was March 2008 on the rightwing blog- FreeRepublic

Barackryphal The Secret Origin of the Birthers

I was told today that Obama swore in on a Koran for his Senate seat. I do not believe he did. Can someone clarify this for me? I am under the impression only a Congressman has so far sworn in on a Koran.

Also that Obama’s mother gave birth to him overseas and then immediately flew into Hawaii and registered his birth as having taken place in Hawaii.

Again, any clarifications on this? Defintely disqualifies him for Prez. There must be some trace of an airticket. While small babies are not charged air fare they do have a ticket issued for them.

Status of Redfish’s claim: Lie

6) actually he was a black arab, you can look it up.

Why this is important to anyone other than a racist I don’t know, but it is a claim that we have seen from racists around 2008.

Well I did ‘look it up’- not a single credible reference- and I mean I won’t take Rush Limbaugh’s claim as a source- says that Obama is ‘arab’.

Status of Redfish’s claims: Lie

7) Do you find it funny that his grandmother died shortly after his visit to her in Hawaii?

As pointed out- Obama’s grandmother was elderly and ill- and Obama rushed to see her because of her poor health.

Status of Redfish’s claim: Innuendo

8) He either was a foreign student or commited fraud to get the money. which is it?

There is no evidence that shows that Barack Obama was ever a foreign student- or committed fraud to get any money. Just Redfish lying again

Status of Redfish’s claim: Lie

 

[RKMBrown]

Oh- so its not just because of his color

Because his father may have been a communist from Africa.

So you need to see his college records.

To see if he was a foreign exchange student.

LOL.....

Again, what hell does his skin color have to do with where he's from? You dumb ass racist piece of shit. My dog has an IQ that soars over your retarded ass.

And what does his father being a communist have to do with him being a foreign exchange student?

Hmmm nothing of course. It does sound better than "I want to see his college records because his father was black" though

Slightly

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My issue is with his political views.. you folks are too focused on skin color. Why do you measure a man by his skin color?

No one cares about your opposition to his political views.

Now what does Obama's political views have to do with your obsession about his college records.

Obsession? Nonsense.

I'd like to know if he was entered into Harvard as a Foreign Exchange student. And also whether there is any truth to the story about Obama getting into Harvard with bad grades through influence from a Foreign benefactor who is a Saudi prince.

 

[Syriusly]

Again, what hell does his skin color have to do with where he's from? You dumb ass racist piece of shit. My dog has an IQ that soars over your retarded ass.

And what does his father being a communist have to do with him being a foreign exchange student?

Hmmm nothing of course. It does sound better than "I want to see his college records because his father was black" though

Slightly

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My issue is with his political views.. you folks are too focused on skin color. Why do you measure a man by his skin color?

No one cares about your opposition to his political views.

Now what does Obama's political views have to do with your obsession about his college records.

Obsession? Nonsense.

I'd like to know if he was entered into Harvard as a Foreign Exchange student. And also whether there is any truth to the story about Obama getting into Harvard with bad grades through influence from a Foreign benefactor who is a Saudi prince.

And again- what do those have to do with Obama's political views?

 

[Skylar]

Again, what hell does his skin color have to do with where he's from? You dumb ass racist piece of shit. My dog has an IQ that soars over your retarded ass.

And what does his father being a communist have to do with him being a foreign exchange student?

Hmmm nothing of course. It does sound better than "I want to see his college records because his father was black" though

Slightly

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My issue is with his political views.. you folks are too focused on skin color. Why do you measure a man by his skin color?

No one cares about your opposition to his political views.

Now what does Obama's political views have to do with your obsession about his college records.

Obsession? Nonsense.

I'd like to know if he was entered into Harvard as a Foreign Exchange student.

And?

And also whether there is any truth to the story about Obama getting into Harvard with bad grades through influence from a Foreign benefactor who is a Saudi prince.

Is there evidence to back that story?

You may be approaching this from the wrong direction. Instead of demanding that any batshit conspiracy you hear be 'disproven', perhaps you should demand that the batshit conspiracies be proven first.

As there is no evidence to back either story.

 

[RKMBrown]

And what does his father being a communist have to do with him being a foreign exchange student?

Hmmm nothing of course. It does sound better than "I want to see his college records because his father was black" though

Slightly

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My issue is with his political views.. you folks are too focused on skin color. Why do you measure a man by his skin color?

No one cares about your opposition to his political views.

Now what does Obama's political views have to do with your obsession about his college records.

Obsession? Nonsense.

I'd like to know if he was entered into Harvard as a Foreign Exchange student.

And?

And also whether there is any truth to the story about Obama getting into Harvard with bad grades through influence from a Foreign benefactor who is a Saudi prince.

Is there evidence to back that story?

You may be approaching this from the wrong direction. Instead of demanding that any batshit conspiracy you hear be 'disproven', perhaps you should demand that the batshit conspiracies be proven first.

As there is no evidence to back either story.

Seems like both can be answered by showing us his Harvard papers no?

 

[Skylar]

Slightly

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My issue is with his political views.. you folks are too focused on skin color. Why do you measure a man by his skin color?

No one cares about your opposition to his political views.

Now what does Obama's political views have to do with your obsession about his college records.

Obsession? Nonsense.

I'd like to know if he was entered into Harvard as a Foreign Exchange student.

And?

And also whether there is any truth to the story about Obama getting into Harvard with bad grades through influence from a Foreign benefactor who is a Saudi prince.

Is there evidence to back that story?

You may be approaching this from the wrong direction. Instead of demanding that any batshit conspiracy you hear be 'disproven', perhaps you should demand that the batshit conspiracies be proven first.

As there is no evidence to back either story.

Seems like both can be answered by showing us his Harvard papers no?

Seems that any rational person would demand evidence for a story *before* demanding it be disproven.

You do realize that making up a story backed by nothing doesn't actually obligate anyone to do anything?

Right?

 

[Syriusly]

Slightly

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My issue is with his political views.. you folks are too focused on skin color. Why do you measure a man by his skin color?

No one cares about your opposition to his political views.

Now what does Obama's political views have to do with your obsession about his college records.

Obsession? Nonsense.

I'd like to know if he was entered into Harvard as a Foreign Exchange student.

And?

And also whether there is any truth to the story about Obama getting into Harvard with bad grades through influence from a Foreign benefactor who is a Saudi prince.

Is there evidence to back that story?

You may be approaching this from the wrong direction. Instead of demanding that any batshit conspiracy you hear be 'disproven', perhaps you should demand that the batshit conspiracies be proven first.

As there is no evidence to back either story.

Seems like both can be answered by showing us his Harvard papers no?

And we could find out if he is circumsized by showing us his medical records.

Both are irrelevant because as you have pointed out- your interest is only because of your opposition to Obama's politics.

 

[Redfish]

The truth of the matter is that it doesn't matter if President Barack Obama was born in Kenya. It wouldn't matter if he was born in Iraq for that matter he'd still be eligible to be President. His mother was American, therefore he's a natural born American. Case closed.

Folks who are perpetuating this claptrap are only showing the world how ignorant and racist they are.

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you are correct that it doesn't matter, because no one is going to do anything about it with only a year and a half left for him to screw up the country. But eventually the truth will come out, and it won't be pretty for you worshipers of the great obozo.

Yeah- you Birthers have been saying that for 7 years now.....and still the only truth that has come out is that Birthers lie, speculate and use innuendo- but Birthers do not use facts.

Time will tell. The truth always comes out eventually. After obozo leaves office someone will come forward with the truth. But it won't matter except in the history books which will refer to him as the most incompentent and corrupt president in US history.

 

[Redfish]

Good news for the GOP: The Don is not going to let the birther thing go.....just great PR for the GOP!

Trump I m still a birther - Nick Gass - POLITICO

LMAO!!!

Ahem, Donny:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf


LMAO!!!

Discuss. Will the birfers enjoy a fantastic comeback in the 2016 election??

LMAO!!!

You never read the other side, do you? Are you aware of any of the problems with the long form, the one that Obama spent millions to keep sealed and only released after Trump challenged him to do so?

That's a lie too. Donald Trump claims Obama has spent 2 million in legal fees defending lawsuits about his birth certificate PolitiFact

Yepp, just another lie.

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nope, truth

Perkins Coie becomes strong arm for Obama and FCC Communities Digital News

No- just another Birther lie- Obama's campaign paid Perkins Cole for representing his presidential campaign.

its the same thing, dingleberry. Of course they used campaign funds to pay the law firm to keep his records from public view. That law firm was paid to defend against the may suits requesting release of his college records, school transcripts, medical records, passport records etc. and they are very good at their job and were paid well.

 

[Redfish]

Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

"You're undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."

]
Sheriff Joe launches intoObama's birth certificate– again
WND.com-Jul 5, 2015
Trumpand Arpaio both have claimedObama's birth certificate may be forged. Arpaio's office has been investigating the birth certificate since

Here's the part that I never understood; why didn't Sheriff Joe just call the issuing agency, the State of Hawaii? Its the first thing any credible investigator would do. But in nearly 4 years, Joe refuses to do.

What credible investigator would refuse to contact the issuing agency on the credibility of a document? Its like investigating if someone lives at a given address. But refusing to go to that address and ask if they live there.

Because it's not intended to be credible, it's intended to be political.

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If it was a lie why did obama allow the publisher to use it?

 

[Skylar]

Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

"You're undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."

]
Sheriff Joe launches intoObama's birth certificate– again
WND.com-Jul 5, 2015
Trumpand Arpaio both have claimedObama's birth certificate may be forged. Arpaio's office has been investigating the birth certificate since

Here's the part that I never understood; why didn't Sheriff Joe just call the issuing agency, the State of Hawaii? Its the first thing any credible investigator would do. But in nearly 4 years, Joe refuses to do.

What credible investigator would refuse to contact the issuing agency on the credibility of a document? Its like investigating if someone lives at a given address. But refusing to go to that address and ask if they live there.

Because it's not intended to be credible, it's intended to be political.

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If it was a lie why did obama allow the publisher to use it?

Who says it was a lie? The State of Hawaii affirms the information on the image of the LFBC posted on the website matches their original records.

So a 100% accurate forgery?

That has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

 

[Redfish]

List of Redfish’s Birther lies, speculations and innuendo

1) “Bill Clinton says Obama’s not American”

Of course there is no record of Bill Clinton saying that- there is only the uncorroborated statement on the record by one woman that Bill Clinton told her that he knew Obama was not eligible. (and that McCain was not eligible)

Status of Redfish’s claim: Lie


2) “Romney released his[college records] voluntarily”

Romney never released his college records, and Birthers never asked for them.

Status of Redfish’s claim: Lie

3) “Obama spent millions

“Perkins Cole of Seattle were paid to defend suits requesting release of his records in several states….they were paid over a million dollars to keep you and me from seeing his college records”

Investigated- and mostly false- as in there is no record that Obama’s campaign ever spent a million dollars defending against any Birther claims.

No President Obama Hasn t Spent Millions To Keep His Birth Certificate Private

So that leaves the funds paid to Perkins Coie. Trump’s and Palin’s claims assume that the vast majority of the money paid to Perkins Coie since the election was used to defend against lawsuits challenging Obama’s citizenship. We agree that some amount of money was spent in legal fees related to those lawsuits — the letter from Bauer to the plaintiff is an example of that. But, while we don’t know exactly how much the Obama camp spent on their private lawyers, there were many, many non-birth-certificate duties that a law firm typically handles in the wake of a presidential campaign, which suggests that any birth certificate work was a small percentage of the overall fees paid to Perkins Coie.

In addition- there were only 3 lawsuits that Obama was a defendant- and Perkins Cole didn’t represent Obama in most(all?) of the cases- and all were quickly dismissed.

Status of Redfish’s claim: Speculation

4) “nothing I have said is untrue”

LOL see above and below


5) “just pointing out the truth, carbon head. Hillary started it.”

There is no evidence that Hillary Clinton ever was involved with the Birther movement in any fashion or form. Some of her supporters- the so-called Puma’s were. The earliest recorded mention of the Birther claims was March 2008 on the rightwing blog- FreeRepublic

Barackryphal The Secret Origin of the Birthers

I was told today that Obama swore in on a Koran for his Senate seat. I do not believe he did. Can someone clarify this for me? I am under the impression only a Congressman has so far sworn in on a Koran.

Also that Obama’s mother gave birth to him overseas and then immediately flew into Hawaii and registered his birth as having taken place in Hawaii.

Again, any clarifications on this? Defintely disqualifies him for Prez. There must be some trace of an airticket. While small babies are not charged air fare they do have a ticket issued for them.

Status of Redfish’s claim: Lie

6) actually he was a black arab, you can look it up.

Why this is important to anyone other than a racist I don’t know, but it is a claim that we have seen from racists around 2008.

Well I did ‘look it up’- not a single credible reference- and I mean I won’t take Rush Limbaugh’s claim as a source- says that Obama is ‘arab’.

Status of Redfish’s claims: Lie

7) Do you find it funny that his grandmother died shortly after his visit to her in Hawaii?

As pointed out- Obama’s grandmother was elderly and ill- and Obama rushed to see her because of her poor health.

Status of Redfish’s claim: Innuendo

8) He either was a foreign student or commited fraud to get the money. which is it?

There is no evidence that shows that Barack Obama was ever a foreign student- or committed fraud to get any money. Just Redfish lying again

Status of Redfish’s claim: Lie

Nice try, but I have to give you an F. You have disproven nothing.

but lets just go with your number 8 for a minute. Harvard and Columbia are very expensive colleges. Obama claims that he was a poor halfbreed from Hawaii via Indonesia and that he never had any money. So you tell us, how did he pay the tuition, room, and board at those very expensive schools?

No allegations from our side, you tell us where the money came from. If scholarships--what kind? If grants---what kind? if gifts---from who?

Ok your turn----------------------------------------

 

[Redfish]

Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

"You're undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."

]
Sheriff Joe launches intoObama's birth certificate– again
WND.com-Jul 5, 2015
Trumpand Arpaio both have claimedObama's birth certificate may be forged. Arpaio's office has been investigating the birth certificate since

Here's the part that I never understood; why didn't Sheriff Joe just call the issuing agency, the State of Hawaii? Its the first thing any credible investigator would do. But in nearly 4 years, Joe refuses to do.

What credible investigator would refuse to contact the issuing agency on the credibility of a document? Its like investigating if someone lives at a given address. But refusing to go to that address and ask if they live there.

Because it's not intended to be credible, it's intended to be political.

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If it was a lie why did obama allow the publisher to use it?

Who says it was a lie? The State of Hawaii affirms the information on the image of the LFBC posted on the website matches their original records.

So a 100% accurate forgery?

That has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

So now you are saying that the book jacket is correct, that he was born in Kenya? Thats what I asked you about, if he wasn't born in Kenya why did he allow the publisher to use a lie on his book jacket?

 

[Skylar]

List of Redfish’s Birther lies, speculations and innuendo

1) “Bill Clinton says Obama’s not American”

Of course there is no record of Bill Clinton saying that- there is only the uncorroborated statement on the record by one woman that Bill Clinton told her that he knew Obama was not eligible. (and that McCain was not eligible)

Status of Redfish’s claim: Lie


2) “Romney released his[college records] voluntarily”

Romney never released his college records, and Birthers never asked for them.

Status of Redfish’s claim: Lie

3) “Obama spent millions

“Perkins Cole of Seattle were paid to defend suits requesting release of his records in several states….they were paid over a million dollars to keep you and me from seeing his college records”

Investigated- and mostly false- as in there is no record that Obama’s campaign ever spent a million dollars defending against any Birther claims.

No President Obama Hasn t Spent Millions To Keep His Birth Certificate Private

So that leaves the funds paid to Perkins Coie. Trump’s and Palin’s claims assume that the vast majority of the money paid to Perkins Coie since the election was used to defend against lawsuits challenging Obama’s citizenship. We agree that some amount of money was spent in legal fees related to those lawsuits — the letter from Bauer to the plaintiff is an example of that. But, while we don’t know exactly how much the Obama camp spent on their private lawyers, there were many, many non-birth-certificate duties that a law firm typically handles in the wake of a presidential campaign, which suggests that any birth certificate work was a small percentage of the overall fees paid to Perkins Coie.

In addition- there were only 3 lawsuits that Obama was a defendant- and Perkins Cole didn’t represent Obama in most(all?) of the cases- and all were quickly dismissed.

Status of Redfish’s claim: Speculation

4) “nothing I have said is untrue”

LOL see above and below


5) “just pointing out the truth, carbon head. Hillary started it.”

There is no evidence that Hillary Clinton ever was involved with the Birther movement in any fashion or form. Some of her supporters- the so-called Puma’s were. The earliest recorded mention of the Birther claims was March 2008 on the rightwing blog- FreeRepublic

Barackryphal The Secret Origin of the Birthers

I was told today that Obama swore in on a Koran for his Senate seat. I do not believe he did. Can someone clarify this for me? I am under the impression only a Congressman has so far sworn in on a Koran.

Also that Obama’s mother gave birth to him overseas and then immediately flew into Hawaii and registered his birth as having taken place in Hawaii.

Again, any clarifications on this? Defintely disqualifies him for Prez. There must be some trace of an airticket. While small babies are not charged air fare they do have a ticket issued for them.

Status of Redfish’s claim: Lie

6) actually he was a black arab, you can look it up.

Why this is important to anyone other than a racist I don’t know, but it is a claim that we have seen from racists around 2008.

Well I did ‘look it up’- not a single credible reference- and I mean I won’t take Rush Limbaugh’s claim as a source- says that Obama is ‘arab’.

Status of Redfish’s claims: Lie

7) Do you find it funny that his grandmother died shortly after his visit to her in Hawaii?

As pointed out- Obama’s grandmother was elderly and ill- and Obama rushed to see her because of her poor health.

Status of Redfish’s claim: Innuendo

8) He either was a foreign student or commited fraud to get the money. which is it?

There is no evidence that shows that Barack Obama was ever a foreign student- or committed fraud to get any money. Just Redfish lying again

Status of Redfish’s claim: Lie

Nice try, but I have to give you an F. You have disproven nothing.

Then where are Romney's college records that he 'voluntarily released'?

And of course, what is your evidence that Obama was

but lets just go with your number 8 for a minute. Harvard and Columbia are very expensive colleges. Obama claims that he was a poor halfbreed from Hawaii via Indonesia and that he never had any money. So you tell us, how did he pay the tuition, room, and board at those very expensive schools?


I have no idea. Scholarships from the school,. scholarships from private sources, affirmative action, student loans, his grandparents, friends of the family, a litany of possible ways.

You however have claimed that Obama was either born in Kenya or lied to the college.

Prove it.

You obviously can't. Making your dichotomy a lie. As it wasn't ONLY one or the other. It could have been a variety of different reasons. And you don't know which it was.

 

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Miriam Goderich edited the text of the bio; she is now a partner at the Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its current clients.

"You're undoubtedly aware of the brouhaha stirred up by Breitbart about the erroneous statement in a client list Acton & Dystel published in 1991 (for circulation within the publishing industry only) that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. This was nothing more than a fact checking error by me — an agency assistant at the time," Goderich wrote. "There was never any information given to us by Obama in any of his correspondence or other communications suggesting in any way that he was born in Kenya and not Hawaii. I hope you can communicate to your readers that this was a simple mistake and nothing more."

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Sheriff Joe launches intoObama's birth certificate– again
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Trumpand Arpaio both have claimedObama's birth certificate may be forged. Arpaio's office has been investigating the birth certificate since

Here's the part that I never understood; why didn't Sheriff Joe just call the issuing agency, the State of Hawaii? Its the first thing any credible investigator would do. But in nearly 4 years, Joe refuses to do.

What credible investigator would refuse to contact the issuing agency on the credibility of a document? Its like investigating if someone lives at a given address. But refusing to go to that address and ask if they live there.

Because it's not intended to be credible, it's intended to be political.

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If it was a lie why did obama allow the publisher to use it?

Who says it was a lie? The State of Hawaii affirms the information on the image of the LFBC posted on the website matches their original records.

So a 100% accurate forgery?

That has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

So now you are saying that the book jacket is correct, that he was born in Kenya? Thats what I asked you about, if he wasn't born in Kenya why did he allow the publisher to use a lie on his book jacket?

What I was responding to where claims about his birth certificate. Which the State of Hawaii has affirmed and reaffirmed. And of course end any legal debate on his place of birth or his eligibility.

As for the pamphlet, who says it was a 'lie'? Miriam Goderich, the woman who edited the document said it was a mistake. Why would I ignore her and believe you?

And when exactly was Obama aware of that mistake. Specifically?