YES, America CERTAINLY WAS FOUNDED as a CHRISTIAN NATION...

[Truthmatters]

Game OVER

 

[catzmeow]

James Madison on separation of church/state:

The civil Government, though bereft of everything like an associated hierarchy, possesses the requisite stability, and performs its functions with complete success, whilst the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total separation of the church from the State (Letter to Robert Walsh, Mar. 2, 1819).

Strongly guarded as is the separation between religion and & Gov't in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history (Detached Memoranda, circa 1820).

Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together (Letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822).

Congress should not establish a religion and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any manner contary to their conscience, or that one sect might obtain a pre-eminence, or two combined together, and establish a religion to which they would compel others to conform (Annals of Congress, Sat Aug 15th, 1789 pages 730 - 731).

p.s. James Madison and Thomas Jefferson were heavily involved in creating the constitution.

 

[Truthmatters]

Madison and Jefferson should know what the constitution is saying

 

[Liberal]

The white invaders of Indian lands introduced Christianity to those lands.
They had to murder a lot of the Indians to do so but I'm sure that, along with the rapes, murdering Indian children and so on, were entirely justified.

That was because their god was better.

 

[SayMyName]

I am with Madison and Jefferson. We were created a Republic where men can practice their religion as meets the needs of their conscience. We were not created to be a christian nation, but simply a nation, a republic, and one that respected individual freedom and liberty above all else.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The Law of Twelves Tables and Justinian, separated by a thousand years, are proof that America has a Bible based legal system?

Oh, my goodness, Uncensored.

Are you on drugs?

Where did I ever say that American jurisprudence is based on the Bible?

 

[bodecea]

And blackstone's views were shaped by the legal practices of ancient Rome, ancient Greece, and the germanic tribes who meandered into Italy from around 100 BCE, all of whose legal systems predated the birth of Christ by centuries. The pagan germanic tribes developed the practice of wereguild which is foundational to our system of civil law in this country. The Romans and Greeks practiced trial by jury and developed practices such as the accused being entitled to a legal defender and appointed judges. Your lack of historical knowledge on the subject is readily apparent.

Our constitution and declaration of independence were most informed by enlightenment ideals, not Christian ones.

Wow, did anyone tell Justinian that it was really the wild Germans....

Lurkers, ignore the bullshit of Catzshit. Justinian I ordered the "Twelve Tables" of Roman law constructed in 449 B.C. - it is from his name that we get our word "Justice."

You sure you want to say 449 B.C. ?

 

[Uncensored2008]

You sure you want to say 449 B.C. ?

When would you prefer the 12 tables of Roman law be placed?

 

[bodecea]

^Thinks there wasn't a legal system in Rome until a Christian assumed throne. What a fucking maroon.

^Thinks there were Christians in 449 B.C. and that it's later than the "100 BCE" that she posted..

^Thinks Justinian was around in 449 B.C.

 

[bodecea]

Our Supreme Court said that we are a Christian Nation in 1892.

If we pass beyond these matters to a view of American life, as expressed by its laws, its business, its customs, and its society, we find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth. Among other matters note the following: The form of oath universally prevailing, concluding with an appeal to the Almighty; the custom of opening sessions of all deliberative bodies and most conventions with prayer; the prefatory words of all wills, "In the name of God, amen;" the laws respecting the observance of the Sabbath, with the general cessation of all secular business, and the closing of courts, legislatures, and other similar public assemblies on that day; the churches and church organizations which abound in every city, town, and hamlet; the multitude of charitable organizations existing everywhere under Christian auspices; the gigantic missionary associations, with general support, and aiming to establish Christian missions in every quarter of the globe. These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation.

Interesting...same court that gave us Plessy v. Ferguson?

 

[peach174]

President Jefferson got rid of President Washington's day of Thanksgiving and President Adams day of fasting when he became President and ever since, we as a nation have gone back and forth over this same argument ever since.

 

[peach174]

Our Supreme Court said that we are a Christian Nation in 1892.

If we pass beyond these matters to a view of American life, as expressed by its laws, its business, its customs, and its society, we find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth. Among other matters note the following: The form of oath universally prevailing, concluding with an appeal to the Almighty; the custom of opening sessions of all deliberative bodies and most conventions with prayer; the prefatory words of all wills, "In the name of God, amen;" the laws respecting the observance of the Sabbath, with the general cessation of all secular business, and the closing of courts, legislatures, and other similar public assemblies on that day; the churches and church organizations which abound in every city, town, and hamlet; the multitude of charitable organizations existing everywhere under Christian auspices; the gigantic missionary associations, with general support, and aiming to establish Christian missions in every quarter of the globe. These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation.

Interesting...same court that gave us Plessy v. Ferguson?

Yes, the same court that helped cement the legal foundation for the doctrine of separate but equal, the idea that segregation based on classifications was legal as long as facilities were of equal quality. However, Southern state governments refused to provide blacks with genuinely equal facilities and resources in the years after the Plessy decision. The states not only separated races but, in actuality, ensured differences in quality. In January 1897.

 

[bodecea]

Our Supreme Court said that we are a Christian Nation in 1892.

If we pass beyond these matters to a view of American life, as expressed by its laws, its business, its customs, and its society, we find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth. Among other matters note the following: The form of oath universally prevailing, concluding with an appeal to the Almighty; the custom of opening sessions of all deliberative bodies and most conventions with prayer; the prefatory words of all wills, "In the name of God, amen;" the laws respecting the observance of the Sabbath, with the general cessation of all secular business, and the closing of courts, legislatures, and other similar public assemblies on that day; the churches and church organizations which abound in every city, town, and hamlet; the multitude of charitable organizations existing everywhere under Christian auspices; the gigantic missionary associations, with general support, and aiming to establish Christian missions in every quarter of the globe. These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation.

Interesting...same court that gave us Plessy v. Ferguson?

Yes, the same court that helped cement the legal foundation for the doctrine of separate but equal, the idea that segregation based on classifications was legal as long as facilities were of equal quality. However, Southern state governments refused to provide blacks with genuinely equal facilities and resources in the years after the Plessy decision. The states not only separated races but, in actuality, ensured differences in quality. In January 1897.

Yep...that was a Peach of a Court.

 

[peach174]

Interesting...same court that gave us Plessy v. Ferguson?

Yes, the same court that helped cement the legal foundation for the doctrine of separate but equal, the idea that segregation based on classifications was legal as long as facilities were of equal quality. However, Southern state governments refused to provide blacks with genuinely equal facilities and resources in the years after the Plessy decision. The states not only separated races but, in actuality, ensured differences in quality. In January 1897.

Yep...that was a Peach of a Court.

It was the Southern State Governments that were assholes.

 

[Caroljo]

How about a link to that proven fact?

 

[Caroljo]

It didn't used to be that way....it's only been a short time that people have said this. Keep saying it enough people will believe it......

 

[bobcollum]

 

[JakeStarkey]

Uncensored does not believe the US legal system is bible-based or Christian. My mistake, Uncensored.

The Law of Twelves Tables and Justinian, separated by a thousand years, are proof that America has a Bible based legal system?

Oh, my goodness, Uncensored.

Are you on drugs?

Where did I ever say that American jurisprudence is based on the Bible?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Uncensored does not believe the US legal system is bible-based or Christian. My mistake, Uncensored.

Apology accepted.

I certainly do NOT think American Jurisprudence is Bible based - nor would I want it to be.

 

[UltimateReality]

Yale also started out as a Seminary....and did Harvard.....and again during Colonial times.

Oh...btw...they are private colleges, NOT part of the U.S. Government.

These are things you should have learned before pulling them out for a Fail argument.

I'm surprised that you would argue Harvard and Yale didn't influence the law in the late 17th and 18th Centuries.

Did they influence the U.S Constitution? Evidence that their religions mottos influenced the U.S. Constitution, please.

You have proven time and again you can't grasp a logical thought or keep up with the context and relevance of the posts at hand. I will no longer be wasting my efforts to respond to you. Additionally, you have latched onto Hollie and are now using here disruptive tactics.