"Yes, Gay Marriage Hurts Me Personally"

[Where_r_my_Keys]

And all in only two weeks.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

In another example of of The Licensing of Degeneracy HARMS EVERYONE, we find THIS:

'Paedophilia is natural and normal for males'

I've spoken to this many times and will do so many more, but this article is a demonstration of what the "Advocacy to Normalize Sexual Abnormality' is all about.

Now, the newly established US Supreme Legislature has now fully licensed Degeneracy, effectively establishing the adherents to such as a Legally Protected Class.

So all that is necessary to FULLY IMPLEMENT LEGAL CHILD MOLESTATION is to secure Equal Protection Under the Law for YOUR CHILDREN; and the Democrats Leading Candidate for President of the Cult is a LONG TIME PROPONENT OF EQUAL PROTECTION UNDE THE LAW FOR CHILDREN!

You can rest assured that this will axiomatically include the right of sexual consent for your children... thus where a person that the Left has set into a position of trust and authority over your child, enters into a caring relationship with your child, who loves and understands him... you will have ABSOLUTELY NO MEANS TO SO MUCH AS CONTEST HIS SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR MINOR CHILD.

This article demonstrates the longstanding advocacy for such in Academia and other Leftist strongholds.

“Pedophilic interest is natural and normal for human males,” said the presentation. “At least a sizeable minority of normal males would like to have sex with children … Normal males are aroused by children.”

Some yellowing tract from the Seventies or early Eighties, era of abusive celebrities and the infamous PIE, the Pedophile Information Exchange? No. Anonymous commenters on some underground website? No again.

The statement that pedophilia is “natural and normal” was made not three decades ago. It was made not in private but as one of the central claims of an academic presentation delivered, at the invitation of the organizers, to many of the key experts in the field at a conference held by the University of Cambridge.

Other presentations included “Liberating the pedophile: a discursive analysis,” and “Danger and difference: the stakes of hebephilia.”

Hebephilia is the sexual preference for children in early puberty, typically 11 to 14-year-olds.

Another attendee, and enthusiastic participant from the floor, was one Tom O’Carroll, a multiple child sex offender, long-time campaigner for the legalization of sex with children and former head of the Pedophile Information Exchange. “Wonderful!” he wrote on his blog afterwards. “It was a rare few days when I could feel relatively popular!”

Ken Plummer is emeritus professor of sociology at Essex University, he said:

“Pedophiles are told they are the seducers and rapists of children; they know their experiences are often loving and tender ones. They are told that children are pure and innocent, devoid of sexuality; they know both from their own experiences of childhood and from the children they meet that this is not the case.”

....

A key factor in what happened all those decades ago in the dressing rooms of the BBC, the wards of the NHS and, allegedly, the corridors of power was not just institutional failings or establishment “conspiracies”, but a climate of far greater intellectual tolerance of practices that horrify today.

With the Pill, the legalisation of homosexuality and shrinking taboos against premarital sex, the Seventies was an era of quite sudden sexual emancipation. Many liberals, of course, saw through PIE’s cynical rhetoric of “child lib”. But to others on the Left, sex by or with children was just another repressive boundary to be swept away – and some of the most important backing came from academia.

In 1981, a respectable publisher, Batsford, published Perspectives on Paedophilia, edited by Brian Taylor, a sociology lecturer at Sussex University, to challenge what Dr Taylor’s introduction called the “prejudice” against child sex. Disturbingly, the book was aimed at “social workers, community workers, probation officers and child care workers”.


Paedophilia is natural and normal for males - Telegraph

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Again... let's review to bring the issue back to point.

A lack of respect for God and God's Laws have stifled the Spirit of God within the Degenerate.

Absent the Spirit of God, the Degenerate lacks access to the light of God's Reason, thus is limited to mirky filth of subjectivism... or that which is OKA: Relativism...

Relativism is the doctrine which holds that knowledge, truth, and morality exist only in relation to one's own cultural, societal, historical and personal context and, as such, can never be the result of soundly reasoned absolutes.

It is through this, perversion of reason, wherein relativism axiomatically rejects the objectivity that is essential to TRUTH.

And by lacking kinship with and, the means to recognize Truth, this cripples the means of the Relativist to TRUST; as truth is essential to trust...

Lacking the means to trust, there is no basis on which those so afflicted can come to agreement upon a soundly reasoned MORALITY...

And absent a soundly reasoned morality... there is no basis in Relativism from which to serve JUSTICE.

And THAT is the greater outline of Degeneracy and how it HARMS EVERYONE...

The US has now come to the point where the Judiciary is crowned: The Supreme Legislature, wherein the Majority of Judicial Votes supersede Sound (Objective) Reason, The Constitution (Objective) and The Law (Objective); thus the means to serve justice is wholly and entirely: CRIPPLED.

It was this addled departure from sound principle which removed the Mental Disorder that Presents as Sexual Deviancy from the medical register of such maladies. Was Medical Justice Served? Of course not. And did the ramifications of that profound error remain limited to Medicine? NO IT DID NOT! It trickled down and throughout the culture... rotting it from it's core with catastrophic consequences. But, I digress...

Now Reader, understand, they lack the means to reason objectively... therefore they have no means to understand what was just provided for them... let alone the means to understand such sufficiently to agree with it.

The point here is not to convince those who lack the intellectual acuity to reason... the point is to help them to demonstrate that they lack the means to reason, for the edification of the sound human beings, so that they can finally come to understand where the problem is, why its a problem and to steel themselves for the unenviable tasks which are just before them, once these individuals mount the inevitable attack upon them.

It's not even a potential question in terms of "IF" they will attack, it is only a question of when the attack will come and in what form.

We've seen it tested in small markets with ruthless commitment, and all that remains is for them to adapt the local tactics, to the national scale.

Everyday we're treated to reports where the racial minorities among the Left have brutally murdered or savagely beaten innocents... we see it played out on Youtube and other web venues, we watch the Left foment racial animosity... we see them foment animosity at every point where such can be advanced.

So the intent is clear, the willingness is likewise just as clear.

We're now simply waiting for the main assault... and like most things profane, you will not have any problem knowing it when you see it... then, it falls to you, to do what you must to avoid the impact of it. As the next day will be that of the "GREAT GETTIN' UP MORNIN'... " When all accounts are settled and the accounting doesn't stop, until there's none left to count.

Now, if THAT is not harm as a consequence of Degeneracy... then such simply does not exist.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Vigilante, posted this at this link.

I am reposting it as:

ANOTHER DEMONSTRATION OF HOW THE LICENSING OF DEGENERACY HARMS US ALL!
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We've OPENED the door, now the REAL PERVERSION will pour through! Thanks SCOTUS for fucking up our decades old culture!

thepcmdgazette.com ^ | july 8, 2015

A North Carolina elementary school teacher has resigned after his decision to read a gay-themed children’s book to his third-grade class led to controversy in the small town of Efland. Omar Currie said he read his students the book “King and King,” a fairy tale about two princes having a “love” encounter, after he perceived negative gay stereotyping in his class. Currie said that he was inspired to teach the little kids about two men “hooking up” because a boy in his class acted a little feminine. “When I read the story, the reaction of parents didn’t come into my mind,”Currie, 25, said...

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

In ANOTHER example of how the Licensing of Degeneracy harms EVERYONE:

Homosexual Man Files A $70M Lawsuit Against Bible Publishers For Verses Against Homosexuality

"A homosexual man has filed a $70 million lawsuit against Bible publishers Zondervan and Thomas Nelson, alleging that their version of the Bible that refers to homosexuality as a sin violates his constitutional rights and has caused him emotional distress."

Read more at Homosexual Man Files A 70M Lawsuit Against Bible Publishers For Verses Against Homosexuality

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

In ANOTHER Example of how the Licensing of Degeneracy harm EVERYONE. There's THIS:

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[Skylar]

In another example of of The Licensing of Degeneracy HARMS EVERYONE, we find THIS:

'Paedophilia is natural and normal for males'

I've spoken to this many times and will do so many more, but this article is a demonstration of what the "Advocacy to Normalize Sexual Abnormality' is all about.

Now, the newly established US Supreme Legislature has now fully licensed Degeneracy, effectively establishing the adherents to such as a Legally Protected Class.

Pedophiles aren't a protected class. And the article you're citing is from the UK. Not the US.

There isn't any part of this you got right.

So all that is necessary to FULLY IMPLEMENT LEGAL CHILD MOLESTATION is to secure Equal Protection Under the Law for YOUR CHILDREN; and the Democrats Leading Candidate for President of the Cult is a LONG TIME PROPONENT OF EQUAL PROTECTION UNDE THE LAW FOR CHILDREN!

Says you citing yourself as a legal authority. And your'e the same hapless soul that insisted that the Obergefell ruling was going to overturn gay marriage. Demonstrating how little your pseudo-legal gibberish has to do with actual court rulings.

Back in reality, there's no such ruling legalizing child molestation, no such law legalizing child molestation, no such protected class of pedophiles.

You imagined all of it. Remember Keyes...and this point is fundamental: you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Skylar]

In ANOTHER example of how the Licensing of Degeneracy harms EVERYONE:

Homosexual Man Files A $70M Lawsuit Against Bible Publishers For Verses Against Homosexuality

"A homosexual man has filed a $70 million lawsuit against Bible publishers Zondervan and Thomas Nelson, alleging that their version of the Bible that refers to homosexuality as a sin violates his constitutional rights and has caused him emotional distress."

Read more at Homosexual Man Files A 70M Lawsuit Against Bible Publishers For Verses Against Homosexuality

And what harm did that cause? Nothing ever came of it.

And the suit was filed before the Obergefell ruling. So in your version of reality, the Obergerfell ruling comes out in 2015....and that causes a hand written law suit in 2008.

I don't think cause and effect work the way you think they work. As in our universe cause precedes effect. It doesn't follow it by 7 years.

 

[Skylar]

Vigilante, posted this at this link.

I am reposting it as:

ANOTHER DEMONSTRATION OF HOW THE LICENSING OF DEGENERACY HARMS US ALL!
​

We've OPENED the door, now the REAL PERVERSION will pour through! Thanks SCOTUS for fucking up our decades old culture!

thepcmdgazette.com ^ | july 8, 2015

A North Carolina elementary school teacher has resigned after his decision to read a gay-themed children’s book to his third-grade class led to controversy in the small town of Efland. Omar Currie said he read his students the book “King and King,” a fairy tale about two princes having a “love” encounter, after he perceived negative gay stereotyping in his class. Currie said that he was inspired to teach the little kids about two men “hooking up” because a boy in his class acted a little feminine. “When I read the story, the reaction of parents didn’t come into my mind,”Currie, 25, said...

He resigned before the Obergefell ruling. Once again, simple cause and effect utterly confounds you.

It doesn't take much, does it?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

In YET ANOTHER Demonstration of how The Licensing of Degeneracy harms EVERYONE, we find:

"New Bible Translation “Queen James Bible” Eliminates “Homosexuality As Sin” Because It Insults Gays": AKA:
The Gay Bible


Don’t like the Bible and its TRUTH? Well, you could just create your own version. At least that’s what a homosexual group has done

The world’s first “gay friendly” (LIE) posing as "The Bible" has been fraudulently published as the “Queen James Bible.”

Multiple verses throughout the book have been rewritten to please the LGBTQ community and gay covens.

The website promoting the book says, “The Queen James Bible resolves any homophobic interpretations of the Bible…We wanted to make a book filled with the word of God that nobody could use to incorrectly condemn (to properly recognize the abomination represented by Degenerates) God’s LGBT children, and we succeeded.”

What they have succeeded in doing is misrepresenting the word of God, by FRAUDULENTLY publishing this Deceit, as a means to lead God's children into debauchery, shame and death.



Here are some examples of the deceit they are perpetrating:

1. Leviticus 18:22

KJV: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.

QJV: Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind in the temple of Molech: it is an abomination. (Page 75)

2. Leviticus 20:13

KJV: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

QJV: If a man also lie with mankind in the temple of Molech, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (Page 76)

3. Romans 1:26

KJV: For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against their nature.

QJV: Their women did change their natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, left of the natural use of the woman, burned in ritual lust, one toward another. (Page 545)

4. Romans 1:27

KJV: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

QJV: Men with men working that which is pagan and unseemly. For this cause God gave the idolators up unto vile affections, receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. (Page 545)

THIS IS AN ABOMINATION!

Let’s them hear this warning from the HOLY SCRIPTURE:

Revelation 22:18-19

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

The Gay Bible

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

On the "Sanity Fights Back against Evil" Page...

KANSAS issues an Executive Order on Religious FREEDOM After Gay Marriage Ruling

"Gov. Sam Brownback issued an executive order prohibiting state government from taking action against clergy members or religious organizations that deny services to couples based on religious beliefs.

Among other things, the order is intended to protect religious organizations that provide adoption services for the state from having to place children with gay couples if that conflicts with their beliefs.

“We have a duty to govern and to govern in accordance with the Constitution as it has been determined by the Supreme Court decision,” Brownback said in a statement. “We also recognize that religious liberty is at the heart of who we are as Kansans and Americans, and should be protected.”

The governor’s order came when that state workers were told their same-sex spouses could be added to their health plans.

Brownback said the order protects “Kansas clergy and religious organizations from being forced to participate in activities that violate their sincerely and deeply held beliefs.”

This is how Rev. Graham commented on the issue:

Today Kansas Governor Sam Brownback issued an Executive Order to protect ‪#‎religiousfreedom‬ in his state–thank you Governor for taking action! Executive Order 15-05, “Preservation and Protection of Religious Freedom,” protects Kansas clergy and religious organizations from being forced to go against their sincerely held religious beliefs. Our religious freedom is something to be protected at all cost—if you could ask all those who have died to give it to us, I’m sure they would be quick to tell you that we’d better not let it slip through our fingers. Let’s challenge every governor to step up and do the same for their state. Governor Pat McCrory of NC, how about it?"

Gov. Sam Brownback issues executive order on religious liberty after same-sex marriage ruling The Wichita Eagle The Wichita Eagle

 

[Skylar]

In YET ANOTHER Demonstration of how The Licensing of Degeneracy harms EVERYONE, we find:

"New Bible Translation “Queen James Bible” Eliminates “Homosexuality As Sin” Because It Insults Gays": AKA:
The Gay Bible


Don’t like the Bible and its TRUTH? Well, you could just create your own version. At least that’s what a homosexual group has done

The world’s first “gay friendly” (LIE) posing as "The Bible" has been fraudulently published as the “Queen James Bible.”

Multiple verses throughout the book have been rewritten to please the LGBTQ community and gay covens.

The website promoting the book says, “The Queen James Bible resolves any homophobic interpretations of the Bible…We wanted to make a book filled with the word of God that nobody could use to incorrectly condemn (to properly recognize the abomination represented by Degenerates) God’s LGBT children, and we succeeded.”

What they have succeeded in doing is misrepresenting the word of God, by FRAUDULENTLY publishing this Deceit, as a means to lead God's children into debauchery, shame and death.



Here are some examples of the deceit they are perpetrating:

1. Leviticus 18:22

KJV: Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.

QJV: Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind in the temple of Molech: it is an abomination. (Page 75)

2. Leviticus 20:13

KJV: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

QJV: If a man also lie with mankind in the temple of Molech, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (Page 76)

3. Romans 1:26

KJV: For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against their nature.

QJV: Their women did change their natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, left of the natural use of the woman, burned in ritual lust, one toward another. (Page 545)

4. Romans 1:27

KJV: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

QJV: Men with men working that which is pagan and unseemly. For this cause God gave the idolators up unto vile affections, receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. (Page 545)

THIS IS AN ABOMINATION!

Let’s them hear this warning from the HOLY SCRIPTURE:

Revelation 22:18-19

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

The Gay Bible

And how were you harmed by this, keyes?

Specifically. And of course, what does it have to do with gay marriage? Again, causation completely confounds you.

 

[Skylar]

On the "Sanity Fights Back against Evil" Page...

KANSAS issues an Executive Order on Religious FREEDOM After Gay Marriage Ruling

"Gov. Sam Brownback issued an executive order prohibiting state government from taking action against clergy members or religious organizations that deny services to couples based on religious beliefs.

Among other things, the order is intended to protect religious organizations that provide adoption services for the state from having to place children with gay couples if that conflicts with their beliefs.

“We have a duty to govern and to govern in accordance with the Constitution as it has been determined by the Supreme Court decision,” Brownback said in a statement. “We also recognize that religious liberty is at the heart of who we are as Kansans and Americans, and should be protected.”

The governor’s order came when that state workers were told their same-sex spouses could be added to their health plans.

Brownback said the order protects “Kansas clergy and religious organizations from being forced to participate in activities that violate their sincerely and deeply held beliefs.”

This is how Rev. Graham commented on the issue:

Today Kansas Governor Sam Brownback issued an Executive Order to protect ‪#‎religiousfreedom‬ in his state–thank you Governor for taking action! Executive Order 15-05, “Preservation and Protection of Religious Freedom,” protects Kansas clergy and religious organizations from being forced to go against their sincerely held religious beliefs. Our religious freedom is something to be protected at all cost—if you could ask all those who have died to give it to us, I’m sure they would be quick to tell you that we’d better not let it slip through our fingers. Let’s challenge every governor to step up and do the same for their state. Governor Pat McCrory of NC, how about it?"

Gov. Sam Brownback issues executive order on religious liberty after same-sex marriage ruling The Wichita Eagle The Wichita Eagle

Kansas has no PA protections for gays. Making the State order pointless. And any denial of state services based on religious objections violates federal law, over which Brownback has no authority. Making the State order pointless.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

And today degeneracy is more entrenched in the US Culture than it was yesterday.

 

[Skylar]

And today degeneracy is more entrenched in the US Culture than it was yesterday.

I'll take a lesbian couple raising a family over your 'responsibility to eradicate homosexuals' and insane murder fantasies any day.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Yet ANOTHER example of How the Federal Licensing of Degeneracy HARMS EVERYONE!

Top Senate Democrat Unsure Whether Religious Schools That Oppose Gay Marriage Should Keep Tax-Exempt Status

Following the Supreme Court decision that declared same-sex marriage a constitutional right, Democrats are considering the impact this will have on religious schools and their tax-exempt statuses.

Illinois Senator Dick Durbin, minority whip and the second most powerful Democrat in the Senate, told The Weekly Standard’s John McCormack that he was unsure if he supported revoking the charitable tax status of religious schools.

“There’s no question this was an historic decision, and now we’re going to go through a series of suggestions for new laws to implement it. I can’t predict how this will end,” Durbin said Wednesday. “But from the beginning we have said that when it comes to marriage, religions can decide what their standards will be.”

When The Weekly Standard asked Durbin if religious protections extend to Christian schools that require employees to hold the same beliefs as the faith’s teaching about marriage, he didn’t “have a quick answer.”

 

[Skylar]

Yet ANOTHER example of How the Federal Licensing of Degeneracy HARMS EVERYONE!

Top Senate Democrat Unsure Whether Religious Schools That Oppose Gay Marriage Should Keep Tax-Exempt Status

Following the Supreme Court decision that declared same-sex marriage a constitutional right, Democrats are considering the impact this will have on religious schools and their tax-exempt statuses.

Illinois Senator Dick Durbin, minority whip and the second most powerful Democrat in the Senate, told The Weekly Standard’s John McCormack that he was unsure if he supported revoking the charitable tax status of religious schools.

“There’s no question this was an historic decision, and now we’re going to go through a series of suggestions for new laws to implement it. I can’t predict how this will end,” Durbin said Wednesday. “But from the beginning we have said that when it comes to marriage, religions can decide what their standards will be.”

When The Weekly Standard asked Durbin if religious protections extend to Christian schools that require employees to hold the same beliefs as the faith’s teaching about marriage, he didn’t “have a quick answer.”

ANd how does this discussion hurt you personally? What was taken from you? What right did you lose?

None, nothing, and none.

See, Keyes......that's where your argument keeps breaking. You allege harm and causation. But you can't establish either.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

I'll take a lesbian couple raising a family over your 'responsibility to eradicate homosexuals' and insane murder fantasies any day.

No Skylar, Marriage is the Joining of One Man and One Woman.

We know this because Nature designed the human species with two distinct, but complementing genders. Each respectively DESIGNED to JOIN WITH THE OTHER... forming from two distinct bodies, one sustainable body; which I'm sure that even a person of your starkly limited intellectual means DEFINES MARRIAGE.

(Now Reader, understand that Homosexuality is a consequence of the rape of infants and toddlers which was presented in the form of a game, with much laughter and cooing, and the stimulation of the infant/toddler genitals.

The stimulating of the child's genitals stimulates a premature release of hormones which imprint upon the child's nature the associating of Sexual Stimulation with PLAY, FUN and ACCEPTANCE WITH THE GENDER THAT IS RAPING IT DURING THAT SEX PLAY.

As a consequence the homosexual is prone toward associating Sex with PLAY... FUN and Acceptance.

Now, Skylar is a professed homosexual. So pay close attention to Skylar's looming response... and see if you can see any sign of the perversion stemming from the above noted abuse, wherein it needs to separate sex from Marriage and to limit sex to purely that which relates to PLAY, FUN, ENTERTAINMENT and ITS OWN SUBJECTIVE NEEDS THROUGH THE PLEASURE INTRINSIC TO SEX).

 

[Skylar]

I'll take a lesbian couple raising a family over your 'responsibility to eradicate homosexuals' and insane murder fantasies any day.

No Skylar, Marriage is the Joining of One Man and One Woman.

Or one man and one man. Or one woman and one woman. Remember, marriage is our invention. It is what we say it is.

We know this because Nature designed the human species with two distinct, but complementing genders. Each respectively DESIGNED to JOIN WITH THE OTHER... forming from two distinct bodies, one sustainable body; which I'm sure that even a person of your starkly limited intellectual means DEFINES MARRIAGE.

Nope. You're describing fucking. Not marriage. Marriage is our invention. It exists exclusively within human society and no where else. There are no ant marriages or chimpanzee marriages. It doesn't exist in nature.

We invented it. We define it. And it means whatever we say it means. You insist marriage means whatever YOU say it means.

As gays and lesbians being happily married in your state demonstrates, your theory clearly isn't panning out for you.

(Now Reader, understand that Homosexuality is a consequence of the rape of infants and toddlers which was presented in the form of a game, with much laughter and cooing, and the stimulation of the infant/toddler genitals.

You're talking to yourself again, Keys. And giving us a lovely window into the hapless batshit you tell yourself.

But what relevance does your insanity have with the rest of us?

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Yet ANOTHER EXAMPLE of how the Federal Licensing of Degeneracy hurts EVERYONE:

Senate Democrat: Free speech protected only in church

"The Constitution’s 1st Amendment protections for free speech apply only to “institutions of faith” and not individual Americans, according to Sen. Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.)."

Senate Democrat Free speech protected only in church

Now Reader... do ya recognize the 900lb Trend-Gorilla in the middle of the room?