Yes, You're A Communist

[NYcarbineer]

Here's a refutation of Poltical Chic's OP, using PolticalChic's own method of 'debate'

1. Karl Marx's lethal philosophy is the basis of both communism and of Nazism.

a. A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." NYTimes, November 27, 1925.

The Times is lying.

b. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

George Watson is lying.


c. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists."
Vladimir Bukovsky.

Vladimir Bukovsky is lying.



2. I don't use "lethal" in a cavalier fashion: Over 100 million men, women, and children were slaughtered by Soviet Communism alone. When that fact was stated, one inveterate Liberal poster laughed, and said 'You sure it wasn't 100 billion?'
And the horrors of Nazism are well known. But both began here:

a. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

George Watson is lying.

b. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

Karl Marx was lying.

c. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.

George Watson is lying.

Well done.

PC is lying.

She is quoting third hand heresay about Hitler claimed to have been said in 'private conversations' that contradicts what he said openly in the written and the spoken word.

Since PC never personally defends the content of her cut and paste with, god forbid, thoughts of her own,

it's futile to ask, but I would like to see her identify the modern day Nazis from among the liberals in America today,
and prove by valid argument that they can fairly be categorized both as liberals and Nazis. And do so not quoting any more unknown nutcases from the bowels of the internet.

The mere effort might literally kill her.

All my thoughts and opinions are my own.

And, my threads are undeniable.....your lying is not a denial....as you have found on a daily basis.

Is it undeniable fact that you say Hitler a Marxist, or is it just an opinion pulled out of thin air with thin factual support?

Is it undeniable fact that you say Joe Biden is a Communist? Where did you prove Joe Biden is a Communist?

Her say so is self evident truth, just like keys.

Yes her soul mate. lol, Seoul mate? I think he's off on another 28 day 'vacation'.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I'd sure like to drill down and get specific on this, rather just cutting & pasting & tossing out platitudes.

When, precisely, do we go from NOT COMMUNIST to COMMUNIST in the following ways?

• Personal income tax highest margin
• Business income tax
  
• Government spending as a percentage of GDP
  
• Percentage of overall production owned by government
• Percentage of overall distribution owned by government

Let's get specific, so I can keep an eye out for communism.

Somebody give me some figures, some data points I can sink my teeth into, so we'll know when to buy more red clothes.

I don't look good in red, by the way, full disclosure.
.

".... get specific on this, rather just cutting & pasting ...."

Why in the world would you pretend that the two are mutually exclusive?

Assuming that you are bright enough to know that they are not.....then you are fibbing.
And, if so......could the reason be that I am correct.
There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

For some reason, you are not courageous enough to admit the above.



For some reason, foreign to me, some folks are more afraid of offending those with an......erroneous...view, than than they are of allowing said views to go unchallenged.
They are known as 'fence sitters.'

You post 3rd party opinions, claim they are fact, contribute nothing out of your own nearly vacant skull in any attempt to support them with substantive argument, and then resort to childish insults when you are rightfully called on it.

I regularly destroy you.

That's the truth,isn't it.

There's that arrogance/ignorance thing, right on cue.

 

[PK1]

... government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

---
As an extremist, you must be a Libertarian ... of the Anarchist variety.
Good luck with that ... living on your independent island.
.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Calling a person a Communist because they like the fact that their road gets plowed by the town's highway department after a blizzard is the kind of hyper-purist rightwing extremism that amazingly is finding fertile ground to grow in modern mainstream American conservatism.

There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

Your attempts to ignore this statement are feeble, and indicate the truth of the above.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Here's a refutation of Poltical Chic's OP, using PolticalChic's own method of 'debate'

1. Karl Marx's lethal philosophy is the basis of both communism and of Nazism.

a. A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." NYTimes, November 27, 1925.

The Times is lying.

b. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

George Watson is lying.


c. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists."
Vladimir Bukovsky.

Vladimir Bukovsky is lying.



2. I don't use "lethal" in a cavalier fashion: Over 100 million men, women, and children were slaughtered by Soviet Communism alone. When that fact was stated, one inveterate Liberal poster laughed, and said 'You sure it wasn't 100 billion?'
And the horrors of Nazism are well known. But both began here:

a. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

George Watson is lying.

b. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

Karl Marx was lying.

c. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.

George Watson is lying.

Well done.

PC is lying.

She is quoting third hand heresay about Hitler claimed to have been said in 'private conversations' that contradicts what he said openly in the written and the spoken word.

Since PC never personally defends the content of her cut and paste with, god forbid, thoughts of her own,

it's futile to ask, but I would like to see her identify the modern day Nazis from among the liberals in America today,
and prove by valid argument that they can fairly be categorized both as liberals and Nazis. And do so not quoting any more unknown nutcases from the bowels of the internet.

The mere effort might literally kill her.

All my thoughts and opinions are my own.

And, my threads are undeniable.....your lying is not a denial....as you have found on a daily basis.

Is it undeniable fact that you say Hitler a Marxist, or is it just an opinion pulled out of thin air with thin factual support?

Is it undeniable fact that you say Joe Biden is a Communist? Where did you prove Joe Biden is a Communist?

"Is it undeniable fact that you say Hitler a Marxist, or is it just an opinion pulled out of thin air with thin factual support?"

OK....ok....the thrashing you demand....coming right up:


"Hitler and the socialist dream

He declared that 'national socialism was based on Marx' Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger

. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit".

German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.

.....; though even in the autobiography he observes that his own doctrine was fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason that it recognised the significance of race - implying, perhaps, that it might otherwise easily look like a derivative. Without race, he went on, National Socialism "would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground". Marxism was internationalist. The proletariat, as the famous slogan goes, has no fatherland. Hitler had a fatherland, and it was everything to him.

Yet privately, and perhaps even publicly, he conceded that National Socialism was based on Marx. On reflection, it makes consistent sense. The basis of a dogma is not the dogma, much as the foundation of a building is not the building, and in numerous ways National Socialism was based on Marxism." Hitler and the socialist dream



Smashed another custard pie in your kisser, huh?
Love it.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Calling a person a Communist because they like the fact that their road gets plowed by the town's highway department after a blizzard is the kind of hyper-purist rightwing extremism that amazingly is finding fertile ground to grow in modern mainstream American conservatism.

There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

Your attempts to ignore this statement are feeble, and indicate the truth of the above.

Prove Joe Biden is a Communist.

Prove Andrew Cuomo is a Communist.

Do so with evidence.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Here's a refutation of Poltical Chic's OP, using PolticalChic's own method of 'debate'

1. Karl Marx's lethal philosophy is the basis of both communism and of Nazism.

a. A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." NYTimes, November 27, 1925.

The Times is lying.

b. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

George Watson is lying.


c. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists."
Vladimir Bukovsky.

Vladimir Bukovsky is lying.



2. I don't use "lethal" in a cavalier fashion: Over 100 million men, women, and children were slaughtered by Soviet Communism alone. When that fact was stated, one inveterate Liberal poster laughed, and said 'You sure it wasn't 100 billion?'
And the horrors of Nazism are well known. But both began here:

a. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

George Watson is lying.

b. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

Karl Marx was lying.

c. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.

George Watson is lying.

Well done.

PC is lying.

She is quoting third hand heresay about Hitler claimed to have been said in 'private conversations' that contradicts what he said openly in the written and the spoken word.

Since PC never personally defends the content of her cut and paste with, god forbid, thoughts of her own,

it's futile to ask, but I would like to see her identify the modern day Nazis from among the liberals in America today,
and prove by valid argument that they can fairly be categorized both as liberals and Nazis. And do so not quoting any more unknown nutcases from the bowels of the internet.

The mere effort might literally kill her.

All my thoughts and opinions are my own.

And, my threads are undeniable.....your lying is not a denial....as you have found on a daily basis.

Is it undeniable fact that you say Hitler a Marxist, or is it just an opinion pulled out of thin air with thin factual support?

Is it undeniable fact that you say Joe Biden is a Communist? Where did you prove Joe Biden is a Communist?

"Is it undeniable fact that you say Hitler a Marxist, or is it just an opinion pulled out of thin air with thin factual support?"

OK....ok....the thrashing you demand....coming right up:


"Hitler and the socialist dream

He declared that 'national socialism was based on Marx' Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger

. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit".

German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.

.....; though even in the autobiography he observes that his own doctrine was fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason that it recognised the significance of race - implying, perhaps, that it might otherwise easily look like a derivative. Without race, he went on, National Socialism "would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground". Marxism was internationalist. The proletariat, as the famous slogan goes, has no fatherland. Hitler had a fatherland, and it was everything to him.

Yet privately, and perhaps even publicly, he conceded that National Socialism was based on Marx. On reflection, it makes consistent sense. The basis of a dogma is not the dogma, much as the foundation of a building is not the building, and in numerous ways National Socialism was based on Marxism." Hitler and the socialist dream



Smashed another custard pie in your kisser, huh?
Love it.

A new book suggests otherwise?

Here's another book that suggests the otherwise of that time in history:

Did Six Million Really Die? (book)

So now you've endorsed the legitimacy of the Holocaust deniers.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Calling a person a Communist because they like the fact that their road gets plowed by the town's highway department after a blizzard is the kind of hyper-purist rightwing extremism that amazingly is finding fertile ground to grow in modern mainstream American conservatism.

There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

Your attempts to ignore this statement are feeble, and indicate the truth of the above.

Do you oppose having a department of public works composed of government employees? If not then by your own measure you're a Nazi.

Do you oppose have a criminal justice system composed of government employees? If not then you are by your own definition a Nazi.

This is too easy.

 

[norwegen]

So far, we have 6 users, including the OP, who have granted her post a "Like/winner/thanks." Let's start counting the far right hacks!

There is no "far right" in this country.

Excellent observation, PC. The Federalists were centrists who moved our government to the left of America's revolutionary principles. Though poised precariously between liberty and union, and ultimately unable to repel the forces of prerogative and majority tyranny, the Constitution, yet right of center, is nonetheless the instrument that conservatives hearken back to.

 

[jillian]

Surprising how many good Americans have been fooled into accepting, and voting for, communism. And when the truth is revealed, they are startled, incensed, and furious that anyone would say such a thing.

*snips cut and paste*

Read more- if you dare, Liberals.

there is nothing you post that people can't "dare" to read though i understand you fancy yourself an actual conservative who has an effect whatsoever on others' opinions.

you should probably get away from the whole homeschooling thing, though, and actually learn what marxism is.

it isn't liberalism.

poor dear.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well done.

PC is lying.

She is quoting third hand heresay about Hitler claimed to have been said in 'private conversations' that contradicts what he said openly in the written and the spoken word.

Since PC never personally defends the content of her cut and paste with, god forbid, thoughts of her own,

it's futile to ask, but I would like to see her identify the modern day Nazis from among the liberals in America today,
and prove by valid argument that they can fairly be categorized both as liberals and Nazis. And do so not quoting any more unknown nutcases from the bowels of the internet.

The mere effort might literally kill her.

All my thoughts and opinions are my own.

And, my threads are undeniable.....your lying is not a denial....as you have found on a daily basis.

Is it undeniable fact that you say Hitler a Marxist, or is it just an opinion pulled out of thin air with thin factual support?

Is it undeniable fact that you say Joe Biden is a Communist? Where did you prove Joe Biden is a Communist?

"Is it undeniable fact that you say Hitler a Marxist, or is it just an opinion pulled out of thin air with thin factual support?"

OK....ok....the thrashing you demand....coming right up:


"Hitler and the socialist dream

He declared that 'national socialism was based on Marx' Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger

. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit".

German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.

.....; though even in the autobiography he observes that his own doctrine was fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason that it recognised the significance of race - implying, perhaps, that it might otherwise easily look like a derivative. Without race, he went on, National Socialism "would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground". Marxism was internationalist. The proletariat, as the famous slogan goes, has no fatherland. Hitler had a fatherland, and it was everything to him.

Yet privately, and perhaps even publicly, he conceded that National Socialism was based on Marx. On reflection, it makes consistent sense. The basis of a dogma is not the dogma, much as the foundation of a building is not the building, and in numerous ways National Socialism was based on Marxism." Hitler and the socialist dream



Smashed another custard pie in your kisser, huh?
Love it.

A new book suggests otherwise?

Here's another book that suggests the otherwise of that time in history:

Did Six Million Really Die? (book)

So now you've endorsed the legitimacy of the Holocaust deniers.

I love it when you are so destroyed you need to rapidly change the subject.

Don't your hands hurt from holding on by a thread for so long?

 

[NYcarbineer]

So far, we have 6 users, including the OP, who have granted her post a "Like/winner/thanks." Let's start counting the far right hacks!

There is no "far right" in this country.

Excellent observation, PC. The Federalists were centrists who moved our government to the left of America's revolutionary principles. Though poised precariously between liberty and union, and ultimately unable to repel the forces of prerogative and majority tyranny, the Constitution, yet right of center, is nonetheless the instrument that conservatives hearken back to.

No far right? What is the far right as far as you're concerned?

 

[NYcarbineer]

She is quoting third hand heresay about Hitler claimed to have been said in 'private conversations' that contradicts what he said openly in the written and the spoken word.

Since PC never personally defends the content of her cut and paste with, god forbid, thoughts of her own,

it's futile to ask, but I would like to see her identify the modern day Nazis from among the liberals in America today,
and prove by valid argument that they can fairly be categorized both as liberals and Nazis. And do so not quoting any more unknown nutcases from the bowels of the internet.

The mere effort might literally kill her.

All my thoughts and opinions are my own.

And, my threads are undeniable.....your lying is not a denial....as you have found on a daily basis.

Is it undeniable fact that you say Hitler a Marxist, or is it just an opinion pulled out of thin air with thin factual support?

Is it undeniable fact that you say Joe Biden is a Communist? Where did you prove Joe Biden is a Communist?

"Is it undeniable fact that you say Hitler a Marxist, or is it just an opinion pulled out of thin air with thin factual support?"

OK....ok....the thrashing you demand....coming right up:


"Hitler and the socialist dream

He declared that 'national socialism was based on Marx' Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger

. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit".

German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.

.....; though even in the autobiography he observes that his own doctrine was fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason that it recognised the significance of race - implying, perhaps, that it might otherwise easily look like a derivative. Without race, he went on, National Socialism "would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground". Marxism was internationalist. The proletariat, as the famous slogan goes, has no fatherland. Hitler had a fatherland, and it was everything to him.

Yet privately, and perhaps even publicly, he conceded that National Socialism was based on Marx. On reflection, it makes consistent sense. The basis of a dogma is not the dogma, much as the foundation of a building is not the building, and in numerous ways National Socialism was based on Marxism." Hitler and the socialist dream



Smashed another custard pie in your kisser, huh?
Love it.

A new book suggests otherwise?

Here's another book that suggests the otherwise of that time in history:

Did Six Million Really Die? (book)

So now you've endorsed the legitimacy of the Holocaust deniers.

I love it when you are so destroyed you need to rapidly change the subject.

Don't your hands hurt from holding on by a thread for so long?

I'm waiting for you to prove that Joe Biden and Andrew Cuomo are Communists. I'll take an hour of stunned silence as an admission you can't,

thereby destroying your loony claim that there is no difference between a liberal and a communist.

go!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Surprising how many good Americans have been fooled into accepting, and voting for, communism. And when the truth is revealed, they are startled, incensed, and furious that anyone would say such a thing.

*snips cut and paste*

Read more- if you dare, Liberals.

there is nothing you post that people can't "dare" to read though i understand you fancy yourself an actual conservative who has an effect whatsoever on others' opinions.

you should probably get away from the whole homeschooling thing, though, and actually learn what marxism is.

it isn't liberalism.

poor dear.

Surprising how many good Americans have been fooled into accepting, and voting for, communism. And when the truth is revealed, they are startled, incensed, and furious that anyone would say such a thing.

*snips cut and paste*

Read more- if you dare, Liberals.

there is nothing you post that people can't "dare" to read though i understand you fancy yourself an actual conservative who has an effect whatsoever on others' opinions.

you should probably get away from the whole homeschooling thing, though, and actually learn what marxism is.

it isn't liberalism.

poor dear.

Remember the last time someone appealed to you for verification?




Me neither.

 

[norwegen]

So far, we have 6 users, including the OP, who have granted her post a "Like/winner/thanks." Let's start counting the far right hacks!

There is no "far right" in this country.

Excellent observation, PC. The Federalists were centrists who moved our government to the left of America's revolutionary principles. Though poised precariously between liberty and union, and ultimately unable to repel the forces of prerogative and majority tyranny, the Constitution, yet right of center, is nonetheless the instrument that conservatives hearken back to.

No far right? What is the far right as far as you're concerned?

Inference is not your forte.

You bore me.

 

[NYcarbineer]

So far, we have 6 users, including the OP, who have granted her post a "Like/winner/thanks." Let's start counting the far right hacks!

There is no "far right" in this country.

Excellent observation, PC. The Federalists were centrists who moved our government to the left of America's revolutionary principles. Though poised precariously between liberty and union, and ultimately unable to repel the forces of prerogative and majority tyranny, the Constitution, yet right of center, is nonetheless the instrument that conservatives hearken back to.

PoliticalChic thinks Joe Biden and Andrew Cuomo are Communists. She needs help proving her. Give her a hand.

 

[PoliticalChic]

All my thoughts and opinions are my own.

And, my threads are undeniable.....your lying is not a denial....as you have found on a daily basis.

Is it undeniable fact that you say Hitler a Marxist, or is it just an opinion pulled out of thin air with thin factual support?

Is it undeniable fact that you say Joe Biden is a Communist? Where did you prove Joe Biden is a Communist?

"Is it undeniable fact that you say Hitler a Marxist, or is it just an opinion pulled out of thin air with thin factual support?"

OK....ok....the thrashing you demand....coming right up:


"Hitler and the socialist dream

He declared that 'national socialism was based on Marx' Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger

. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit".

German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.

.....; though even in the autobiography he observes that his own doctrine was fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason that it recognised the significance of race - implying, perhaps, that it might otherwise easily look like a derivative. Without race, he went on, National Socialism "would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground". Marxism was internationalist. The proletariat, as the famous slogan goes, has no fatherland. Hitler had a fatherland, and it was everything to him.

Yet privately, and perhaps even publicly, he conceded that National Socialism was based on Marx. On reflection, it makes consistent sense. The basis of a dogma is not the dogma, much as the foundation of a building is not the building, and in numerous ways National Socialism was based on Marxism." Hitler and the socialist dream



Smashed another custard pie in your kisser, huh?
Love it.

A new book suggests otherwise?

Here's another book that suggests the otherwise of that time in history:

Did Six Million Really Die? (book)

So now you've endorsed the legitimacy of the Holocaust deniers.

I love it when you are so destroyed you need to rapidly change the subject.

Don't your hands hurt from holding on by a thread for so long?

I'm waiting for you to prove that Joe Biden and Andrew Cuomo are Communists. I'll take an hour of stunned silence as an admission you can't,

thereby destroying your loony claim that there is no difference between a liberal and a communist.

go!

Ingrate!

Wasn't proving that Adolph Hitler was a student and devotee of Karl Marx wasn't enough of a lesson for you today????

 

[JakeStarkey]

I'd sure like to drill down and get specific on this, rather just cutting & pasting & tossing out platitudes.

When, precisely, do we go from NOT COMMUNIST to COMMUNIST in the following ways?

• Personal income tax highest margin
• Business income tax
  
• Government spending as a percentage of GDP
  
• Percentage of overall production owned by government
• Percentage of overall distribution owned by government

Let's get specific, so I can keep an eye out for communism.

Somebody give me some figures, some data points I can sink my teeth into, so we'll know when to buy more red clothes.

I don't look good in red, by the way, full disclosure.
.

".... get specific on this, rather just cutting & pasting ...."

Why in the world would you pretend that the two are mutually exclusive?

Assuming that you are bright enough to know that they are not.....then you are fibbing.
And, if so......could the reason be that I am correct.
There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

For some reason, you are not courageous enough to admit the above.



For some reason, foreign to me, some folks are more afraid of offending those with an......erroneous...view, than than they are of allowing said views to go unchallenged.
They are known as 'fence sitters.'

You post 3rd party opinions, claim they are fact, contribute nothing out of your own nearly vacant skull in any attempt to support them with substantive argument, and then resort to childish insults when you are rightfully called on it.

I regularly destroy you.

That's the truth,isn't it.

No, you don't, and no it isn't. You are one of the punch bags on the Board, nothing more.

You think modern social market and government democracy is communistic. You would fail a poly sci test.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Is it undeniable fact that you say Hitler a Marxist, or is it just an opinion pulled out of thin air with thin factual support?

Is it undeniable fact that you say Joe Biden is a Communist? Where did you prove Joe Biden is a Communist?

"Is it undeniable fact that you say Hitler a Marxist, or is it just an opinion pulled out of thin air with thin factual support?"

OK....ok....the thrashing you demand....coming right up:


"Hitler and the socialist dream

He declared that 'national socialism was based on Marx' Socialists have always disowned him. But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger

. Hermann Rauschning, for example, a Danzig Nazi who knew Hitler before and after his accession to power in 1933, tells how in private Hitler acknowledged his profound debt to the Marxian tradition. "I have learned a great deal from Marxism" he once remarked, "as I do not hesitate to admit".

German communists he had known before he took power, he told Rauschning, thought politics meant talking and writing. They were mere pamphleteers, whereas "I have put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun", adding revealingly that "the whole of National Socialism" was based on Marx.

.....; though even in the autobiography he observes that his own doctrine was fundamentally distinguished from the Marxist by reason that it recognised the significance of race - implying, perhaps, that it might otherwise easily look like a derivative. Without race, he went on, National Socialism "would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground". Marxism was internationalist. The proletariat, as the famous slogan goes, has no fatherland. Hitler had a fatherland, and it was everything to him.

Yet privately, and perhaps even publicly, he conceded that National Socialism was based on Marx. On reflection, it makes consistent sense. The basis of a dogma is not the dogma, much as the foundation of a building is not the building, and in numerous ways National Socialism was based on Marxism." Hitler and the socialist dream



Smashed another custard pie in your kisser, huh?
Love it.

A new book suggests otherwise?

Here's another book that suggests the otherwise of that time in history:

Did Six Million Really Die? (book)

So now you've endorsed the legitimacy of the Holocaust deniers.

I love it when you are so destroyed you need to rapidly change the subject.

Don't your hands hurt from holding on by a thread for so long?

I'm waiting for you to prove that Joe Biden and Andrew Cuomo are Communists. I'll take an hour of stunned silence as an admission you can't,

thereby destroying your loony claim that there is no difference between a liberal and a communist.

go!

Ingrate!

Wasn't proving that Adolph Hitler was a student and devotee of Karl Marx wasn't enough of a lesson for you today????

He was not and you did not. Hitler was a totalitarian mad man who used everyone. He killed or imprisoned the entire left in Germany.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So very many Americans have been trained to accept communism, collectivization, government dictates, without question.
And they do.

Over 100 million men, women, and children were slaughtered by Soviet Communism alone. When that fact was stated, one inveterate Liberal poster laughingly posted 'You sure it wasn't 100 billion?' There's that vaunted Liberal empathy.


10. The modern Liberal revisionist is aware of the horrors of Communism; the tortures, the Gulags, the over 100 million persons done to death. And is even aware that the American Communists were taking their orders from Moscow and were attempting to impose the Red Utopia upon the United States.

Had they been successful, this would have led to millions tortured, enslaved, starved and murdered. It would have led to the death of human freedom for untold years. As the US was the bulwark of freedom and Democracy, it's communization would have turned the entire world into an abattoir.
Yet, the acknowledgement is met with a shrug.



You can see that echoed in the posts of the Liberals, Progressives, Democrats....the 'is not, is nooottttt' battalion throughout this thread.
None of them even tried to dispute the facts provided. They can't.


So....yes....realize it or not....at their core, they are communists.