Yes, You're A Communist

[regent]

Calling a person a Communist because they like the fact that their road gets plowed by the town's highway department after a blizzard is the kind of hyper-purist rightwing extremism that amazingly is finding fertile ground to grow in modern mainstream American conservatism.

There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

Your attempts to ignore this statement are feeble, and indicate the truth of the above.

So do you, Chic, accept Karl Marx as an expert on Marx's communism?

 

[Dovahkiin]

This thread is quite possibly one of the most entertaining things I've read. Helps demonstrate how insane the far right is.

 

[American_Jihad]

You say COmmunism, then at the bottom it says Socialism. Er...

I know liberals only remember the last thing they see, But at the top it says:

There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

Your a frigid weirdo, Moron...

 

[frigidweirdo]

You say COmmunism, then at the bottom it says Socialism. Er...

Clean off your specs.

The OP explains:

Surprising how many good Americans have been fooled into accepting, and voting for, communism. And when the truth is revealed, they are startled, incensed, and furious that anyone would say such a thing.

But it's true. There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

How did communism become the public religion of America? The following will explain, ....as we say in science....'its origin and insertion."


In a recent thread, one that illustrated the connections between environmentalists, communists, with the confiscation of private property, a government school graduate demonstrated how offended she was by posting this as part of a scathing disavowal of the above:

"OP tries to connect communism to the moderate left wing democrats." One More Of Those Environmentalist Fairytales

Clearly, an intervention is sorely needed.

It follows:



1. Karl Marx's lethal philosophy is the basis of both communism and of Nazism.

a. A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." NYTimes, November 27, 1925.

b. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

c. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists."
Vladimir Bukovsky.



2. I don't use "lethal" in a cavalier fashion: Over 100 million men, women, and children were slaughtered by Soviet Communism alone. When that fact was stated, one inveterate Liberal poster laughed, and said 'You sure it wasn't 100 billion?'
And the horrors of Nazism are well known. But both began here:

a. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

b. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

c. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.




And this is what we find leading the Democrat Party this very day:
"Bernie Sanders Makes His Pitch for Socialism" Bernie Sanders Outlines A Vision for Fixing American Society



Read more- if you dare, Liberals.

You're running out of original crackpot ideas.

There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.


Meaning you have to admit that the OP is 100% accurate.

Gracias.

How many Communist countries can you name where private property, private business, capitalism, and free enterprise still thrive?

China......

 

[Jantje_Smit]

There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

Your attempts to ignore this statement are feeble, and indicate the truth of the above.

According to you, commies, nazis, liberals etc. are all the same and evil

Could you please tell us, in your own words, what your ideal society would look like?

The only place I can think of is Somalia, no government, no taxes, everybody has a gun to defend his own liberty.... something like that?

 

[frigidweirdo]

You say COmmunism, then at the bottom it says Socialism. Er...

I know liberals only remember the last thing they see, But at the top it says:

There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

Your a frigid weirdo, Moron...

And your whole argument is an insult. Wow, takes a man to insult... right?

 

[Mac1958]

Just trying to keep score here.

If my city repairs a pothole, I've lost some freedom. If my state kicks in for a homeless shelter, I've lost some liberty. If my federal government tries to keep dead rats out of my hamburger meat, I've lost freedom AND liberty.

This is the flaw of absolutism: It's just so easy to poke holes in.
.

Are those services consistent with your state's constitution?
Yes?
Well, then....you post is......a pothole.

Somehow you missed: If my federal government tries to keep dead rats out of my hamburger meat, I've lost freedom AND liberty.

Is that statement correct or is it not?

This is now the third time I've asked you a question, and I have yet to get a straight answer. Last try.

Is that statement correct or is it not?
.

 

[iolo]

A few basic points for politically illiterate yanks:

fascism (Hitlerism and so on): the crisis form of capitalism, where the capitalists, having no serious support, hand over power to any available body of lower-middle class nutters who will destroy workers' organisations.

state capitalism (Stalinism and so on) : a form of capitalism in which the state becomes a single monopoly firm trading on the world market.

socialism: the democratic control of society by the vast wage-earning majority.

 

[Pete7469]

Somehow you missed: If my federal government tries to keep dead rats out of my hamburger meat, I've lost freedom AND liberty.

Is that statement correct or is it not?

This is now the third time I've asked you a question, and I have yet to get a straight answer. Last try.

Is that statement correct or is it not?
.

I'll take a swipe at that if you don't mind.

It takes away the right of the supplier to put dead rat in your burger. It takes away your right to get a cheap, less than %100 beef burger.

Eating rat meat will not hurt you if it'still cooked properly.

A more significant point to me however, is why the feds need to be in charge of simple QC inspections? Are these not things that can be done at the state level? Furthermore, in spite of federal inspectors running around, things still go wrong and people get sick. It'seems the civil suits that truly keep businesses in line, not the feds.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Calling a person a Communist because they like the fact that their road gets plowed by the town's highway department after a blizzard is the kind of hyper-purist rightwing extremism that amazingly is finding fertile ground to grow in modern mainstream American conservatism.

There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

Your attempts to ignore this statement are feeble, and indicate the truth of the above.

So do you, Chic, accept Karl Marx as an expert on Marx's communism?

Are you about ready to admit to that you are a communist, and that explains your undying, slobbering embrace of the man who single-handedly supported Soviet Communism throughout WWII?

 

[Votto]

The term that should be used is collectivism

Like Hitler, collectivists care little about a said ideology other than what power it can bring them. Socialism just so happens to be an ideology that is an easy sell to people and that brings them amazing centralize power.

That's why Hitler was not interested in owning industry. He said, "Why nationalize industry when you can nationalize the people?"

Hitler knew that all that mattered was control over private industry, especially since government is so abysmal at running things.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This thread is quite possibly one of the most entertaining things I've read. Helps demonstrate how insane the far right is.

One might imagine that, were it actually 'insane,' you Leftists would be able to poke numerous holes in it beyond the interminable 'is not, is noootttttttt!!!'.....yet it remains flawless and unassailable.

Must make you wonder.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You say COmmunism, then at the bottom it says Socialism. Er...

Clean off your specs.

The OP explains:

Surprising how many good Americans have been fooled into accepting, and voting for, communism. And when the truth is revealed, they are startled, incensed, and furious that anyone would say such a thing.

But it's true. There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

How did communism become the public religion of America? The following will explain, ....as we say in science....'its origin and insertion."


In a recent thread, one that illustrated the connections between environmentalists, communists, with the confiscation of private property, a government school graduate demonstrated how offended she was by posting this as part of a scathing disavowal of the above:

"OP tries to connect communism to the moderate left wing democrats." One More Of Those Environmentalist Fairytales

Clearly, an intervention is sorely needed.

It follows:



1. Karl Marx's lethal philosophy is the basis of both communism and of Nazism.

a. A year after Lenin's death, 1924, the NYTimes published a small article about a newly established party in Germany, the National Socialist Labor Party, which "...persists in believing that Lenin and Hitler can be compared or contrasted...Dr. Goebell's....assertion that Lenin was the greatest man second only to Hitler....and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight...." NYTimes, November 27, 1925.

b. "Hitler often stated that he learned much from reading Marx, and the whole of National Socialism is doctrinally based on Marxism."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge.

c. "Socialists in Germany were national socialists, communists were international socialists."
Vladimir Bukovsky.



2. I don't use "lethal" in a cavalier fashion: Over 100 million men, women, and children were slaughtered by Soviet Communism alone. When that fact was stated, one inveterate Liberal poster laughed, and said 'You sure it wasn't 100 billion?'
And the horrors of Nazism are well known. But both began here:

a. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary." George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

b. "The classes and races, too weak to master the new conditions of life, must give way...they must perish in the revolutionary holocaust." Karl Marx, People's Paper, April 16, 1856, Journal of the History of Idea, 1981

c. "Before Marx, no other European thinker publically advocated racial extermination. He was the first."
George Watson.




And this is what we find leading the Democrat Party this very day:
"Bernie Sanders Makes His Pitch for Socialism" Bernie Sanders Outlines A Vision for Fixing American Society



Read more- if you dare, Liberals.

You're running out of original crackpot ideas.

There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.


Meaning you have to admit that the OP is 100% accurate.

Gracias.

How many Communist countries can you name where private property, private business, capitalism, and free enterprise still thrive?

China......

China abandoned Communism as a failed economic system that only lead to poverty and starvation. 'What was your point?

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.

Your attempts to ignore this statement are feeble, and indicate the truth of the above.

According to you, commies, nazis, liberals etc. are all the same and evil

Could you please tell us, in your own words, what your ideal society would look like?

The only place I can think of is Somalia, no government, no taxes, everybody has a gun to defend his own liberty.... something like that?

No prob, comrade.


It would be a nation built on individualism, the free market, and limited constitutional government....one as is memorialized in the founding documents of the United States.



And...please try to avoid terms such as "think"....e.g.,
"The only place I can think of" ..

...as it is a fact not in evidence.


And.....let me offer both the same query to you Leftists...AND provide the answer. Your utopia is here:

1. 
   Big Rock Candy Mountain
   Harry McClintock
   One evening as the sun went down
   And the jungle fires were burning,
   Down the track came a hobo hiking,
   And he said, "Boys, I'm not turning;
   I'm headed for a land that's far away
   Beside the crystal fountains
   So come with me, we'll go and see
   The Big Rock Candy Mountains.
   In the Big Rock Candy Mountains,
   There's a land that's fair and bright,
   Where the handouts grow on bushes
   And you sleep out every night.
   Where the boxcars all are empty
   And the sun shines every day
   On the birds and the bees
   And the cigarette trees
   The lemonade springs
   Where the bluebird sings
   In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.
   In the Big Rock Candy Mountains
   All the cops have wooden legs
   And the bulldogs all have rubber teeth
   And the hens lay soft-boiled eggs
   The farmers' trees are full of fruit
   And…

 

[PoliticalChic]

Just trying to keep score here.

If my city repairs a pothole, I've lost some freedom. If my state kicks in for a homeless shelter, I've lost some liberty. If my federal government tries to keep dead rats out of my hamburger meat, I've lost freedom AND liberty.

This is the flaw of absolutism: It's just so easy to poke holes in.
.

Are those services consistent with your state's constitution?
Yes?
Well, then....you post is......a pothole.

Somehow you missed: If my federal government tries to keep dead rats out of my hamburger meat, I've lost freedom AND liberty.

Is that statement correct or is it not?

This is now the third time I've asked you a question, and I have yet to get a straight answer. Last try.

Is that statement correct or is it not?


.

Is there a reference to Social Security, or National Health Care, in the enumerated powers, Article 1, section 8 of the Constitution?

No?

Why isn't there an amendment that give the federal government such authority?

Here is the explanation:
There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.


Isn't that the truth?

 

[Wildman]

They're mindless parrots.

THAT!! is an insult to parrots world wide

actually parrots are quite a bit more intelligent than any libertard, i once had an African Gray and a Military Macaw, their ability to recognize and identify things was truly amazing.

i would say, "libertards are stupid", the Gray bird would say, "right on"!!

 

[Jantje_Smit]

No prob, comrade.


It would be a nation built on individualism, the free market, and limited constitutional government....on as is memorialized in the founding documents of the United States.

Thanks but could you be a bit more specific since your holy founding fathers forgot a few things in their vision

Like, would black people be free or slaves? Would women have voting rights? Would the evil government build roads or is that for the job creators? Would the limited government be allowed to make rules concerning child labour, workplace safety, the environment, taxes etc. (you know, evil socialism)?

 

[PoliticalChic]

A few basic points for politically illiterate yanks:

fascism (Hitlerism and so on): the crisis form of capitalism, where the capitalists, having no serious support, hand over power to any available body of lower-middle class nutters who will destroy workers' organisations.

state capitalism (Stalinism and so on) : a form of capitalism in which the state becomes a single monopoly firm trading on the world market.

socialism: the democratic control of society by the vast wage-earning majority.

Bogus.

Why hide behind that farrago and word salad when the truth is right before everyone's eyes.

' The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."

 

[Mac1958]

Just trying to keep score here.

If my city repairs a pothole, I've lost some freedom. If my state kicks in for a homeless shelter, I've lost some liberty. If my federal government tries to keep dead rats out of my hamburger meat, I've lost freedom AND liberty.

This is the flaw of absolutism: It's just so easy to poke holes in.
.

Are those services consistent with your state's constitution?
Yes?
Well, then....you post is......a pothole.

Somehow you missed: If my federal government tries to keep dead rats out of my hamburger meat, I've lost freedom AND liberty.

Is that statement correct or is it not?

This is now the third time I've asked you a question, and I have yet to get a straight answer. Last try.

Is that statement correct or is it not?


.

Is there a reference to Social Security, or National Health Care, in the enumerated powers, Article 1, section 8 of the Constitution?

No?

Why isn't there an amendment that give the federal government such authority?

Here is the explanation:
There is no essential difference between communism, socialism, Liberalism and/or Progressivism. At the heart of each is a faith and adherence to big, overarching government, the representative of the collective, at the cost of individual liberty and freedom.


Isn't that the truth?

That's okay, I ever expect straight answers here.
.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Somehow you missed: If my federal government tries to keep dead rats out of my hamburger meat, I've lost freedom AND liberty.

Is that statement correct or is it not?

This is now the third time I've asked you a question, and I have yet to get a straight answer. Last try.

Is that statement correct or is it not?
.

I'll take a swipe at that if you don't mind.

It takes away the right of the supplier to put dead rat in your burger. It takes away your right to get a cheap, less than %100 beef burger.

Eating rat meat will not hurt you if it'still cooked properly.

A more significant point to me however, is why the feds need to be in charge of simple QC inspections? Are these not things that can be done at the state level? Furthermore, in spite of federal inspectors running around, things still go wrong and people get sick. It'seems the civil suits that truly keep businesses in line, not the feds.

Nice, Pete

Most board members are ignorant of the crony capitalism at the heart of Mussolini's fascism......the very same that FDR copied and called The New DeaL

There is no capitalism....government co-opts business, forms cartels to put the small competition out of business.
It's why the lobbyists write the bills.

1. Big industry and big government have a thriving relationship. Sometimes this is difficult to see, as when the government seems to support legislation and regulation seemingly aimed at reeling in business excesses. But look closely. New regulations favor big industry which can afford new testing and procedures, and this effectively prevents new competitors from appearing.

a. When government instituted new regulations on tobacco companies, including preventing ‘flavored’ cigarettes. Bad for Philip Morris? No, it prevented smaller tobacco companies from fulfilling the new regs: Wall Street realized what was happening. Between the time the new regulations were proposed and the law passed, Philip Morris stock rose 35%. And just the law excluded ‘mint flavor,’ another advantage for PM.
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b. Passing a huge restriction on any lead in clothing or toys for children. Any lead, even in buttons, zippers, although there was no way for the lead to harm any child sucking on these parts. The law required testing, certifying, and creating a registry for every part of every product. And any amount of lead ended the lawful use of the product. OK for Mattel, but not for any small clothing or toy manufacturer. And Mattel lobbyists helped write the law, as did Hasbro, so it happened to conform to the lab protocols used by Mattel.
No matter that charities such as Goodwill, and even garage sales and resales of used items could be legal, and lost millions.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/homegarden/2009286944_zhom01toysafety.http
Even the Consumer Product Safety Commission notified Congress that the Lead Law went way too far. There Is No Joy in Toyland..


And the reason behind all of this is totalitarian governance.....doing whatever government wants to....the Constitution be damned.