Yet another school shooting

[Lucy Hamilton]

Probably another snowflake student upset he couldn’t get seconds of Michelle’s government approved lunch-like midday meal.

I wondered how long it would take some knuckle dragging narrow minded partisan to comment with great insensitivity and political malice.

And Leftists are never partisan? Leftists when there is another school shooting immediately whip out the Politics Card, most of them usually blaming The Donald.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Are you that intellectually bankrupt, that you cannot look up statistics of mass shootings with AR's in this country, as opposed to other countries, which have a ban on these type weapons?

Hmm, I can look up the stats and see they don't support your argument. You always use the qualifier "compared to other countries" but as it stands, just a handful of mass murders are carried out with an AR style assault weapon.

1. America is relatively safe, and the trend is toward becoming safer.

• According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, violent crime has been declining steadily since the early 1990s.
• The 2011 homicide rate was almost half of the rate in 1991, and according to Pew Research, the 2013 gun-related death rate was half of the rate in 1993.
• The number of non-fatal firearm crimes committed in 2011 was one-sixth the number committed in 1993.
• In the past few years, there have been minor increases in certain types of violent crimes, mainly in large metropolitan areas. However, these increases are nowhere near those seen in the 1990s and are largely related to gang activity.
• It should be remembered that it takes at least three to five years of data to show true trend lines. It appears that the collective homicide toll for America’s 50 largest cities decreased modestly in 2017 after two consecutive years of increases.

2. The principal public safety concerns are suicides and illegally owned handguns.

• According to the Pew Research Center, almost two-thirds of America’s annual gun deaths are suicides. Since 1981, when the Centers for Disease Control began publishing data, gun suicides have outnumbered gun homicides. In 2010 alone, 19,392 Americans used guns to kill themselves.
• Most gun-related crimes are carried out with illegally owned firearms—as much as 80 percent according to some estimates.
• The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports prove that the overwhelming majority of gun-related homicides are perpetrated with handguns, with rifles of any kind accounting for less than 3 percent of gun-related homicides. In 2013, 5,782 murders were committed by killers who used a handgun, compared to 285 committed by killers who used a rifle. The same holds true for 2012 (6,404 to 298); 2011 (6,251 to 332); 2010 (6,115 to 367); and 2009 (6,501 to 351).
• More people are stabbed to death every year than are murdered with rifles.
• A person is more likely to be bludgeoned to death with a blunt object or beaten to death with hands and feet than to be murdered with a rifle.

3. A small number of factors significantly increase the likelihood that a person will be a victim of a gun-related homicide.

• Where do you live? Murders in the United States are very concentrated. According to the Crime Prevention Research Center, over 50 percent of murders occur in 2 percent of the nation’s 3,142 counties. Moreover, gun-related homicides are heavily concentrated in certain neighborhoods within those counties: 54 percent of U.S. counties had zero murders in 2014.
• Who is your partner? According to a recent scholarly article in the Hastings Law Journal, people recently or currently involved in an abusive intimate relationship are much more likely to be victims of gun-related homicide than is the rest of the population, especially if the abuser possesses firearms.
• Are you in a gang? According to the Department of Justice’s National Gang Center, particularly in urban areas, significant percentages of gun-related homicides (15 percent to 33 percent) are linked with gang and drug activity. Gang-related homicides are more likely to involve firearms than non-gang-related homicides are.
• Are you a male between 15 and 34? The majority of standard gun murder victims are men between the ages of 15 and 34. Although black men make up roughly 7 percent of the population, they account for almost two-thirds of gun murder victims every year.
• Women and children are more likely to be the victims of mass shootings and homicide-suicide shootings than they are to be the victims of a “typical” gun-related homicide.

4. The perpetration of gun-related murders is often carried out by predictable people.

• According to studies, almost all mass public shooters have extensive histories of mental health issues (whether delusional/psychiatric or depression/anger), disturbing behaviors, or interpersonal violence.
• Intimate partner conflict and domestic violence history are major risk factors for homicide-suicides, even for those not involving intimate partners.
• Especially in urban areas, a small number of recidivist violent offendersare typically responsible for the majority of gun violence.

5. Higher rates of gun ownership are not associated with higher rates of violent crime.

• Switzerland and Israel have much higher gun ownership rates than the United States but experience far fewer homicides and have much lower violent crime rates than many European nations with strict gun control laws.
  • While some will argue that the guns carried by Swiss and Israeli citizens are technically “owned” by the government in most cases, this does little to negate the fact that many citizens in those countries have ready access to firearms.
• Canada is ranked 12th in the world for the number of civilian-owned guns per capita and reports one of the world’s lower homicide rates—but even then, some provinces have higher homicide rates than U.S. states with less restrictive laws and higher rates of gun ownership have.
• Although many gun control advocates have noted that “right-to-carry” states tend to experience slight increases in violent crime, other studies have noted the opposite effect.
• Higher rates of concealed carry permit holders are even more strongly associated with reduction in violent crime than are “right-to-carry” states. The probable reason for this is that “right-to-carry” studies often include “open carry” states, which have not been shown to correlate with more people actually carrying or even owning firearms. Rates of concealed carry permit holders are better indicators of the number of people who actually possess and carry firearms within a given population.
• Further, as with most correlations, there are many other factors that can account for increases in concealed carry permits—including the fact that people who live in already dangerous neighborhoods seek out means of self-defense. The Huffington Post noted that the rate of concealed carry permit requests in Chicago has soared in recent years after the city loosened restrictions, in large part, according to the Chicago Tribune, because law-abiding residents are increasingly worried about rising rates of violent crime in the city.
• The rate of gun ownership is higher among whites than it is among African-Americans, but the murder rate among African-Americans is significantly higher than the rate among whites.
• Similarly, the rate of gun ownership is higher in rural areas than in urban areas, but urban areas experience higher murder rates.

6. There is no clear relationship between strict gun control legislation and homicide or violent crime rates.

• The Brady Campaign Against Gun Violence ironically makes this clear with its ratings for states based on gun laws. “Gun freedom” states that score poorly, like New Hampshire, Vermont, Idaho, and Oregon, have some of the lowest homicide rates. Conversely, “gun-control-loving” states that received high scores, like Maryland and Illinois, experience some of the nation’s highest homicide rates.
• The Crime Prevention Research Center notes that, if anything, the data indicate that countries with high rates of gun ownership tend to have lower homicide rates—but this is only a correlation, and many factors do not necessarily support a conclusion that high rates of gun ownership cause the low rates of homicide.
• Homicide and firearm homicide rates in Great Britain spiked in the years immediately following the imposition of severe gun control measures, despite the fact that most developed countries continued to experience a downward trend in these rates. This is also pointed out by noted criminologist John Lott in his book “The War on Guns.”
• Similarly, Ireland’s homicide rates spiked in the years immediately following the country’s 1972 gun confiscation legislation.
• Australia’s National Firearms Act appears to have had little effect on suicide and homicide rates, which were falling before the law was enacted and continued to decline at a statistically unremarkable rate compared to worldwide trends.
• According to research compiled by John Lott and highlighted in his book “The War on Guns,” Australia’s armed and unarmed robbery rates both increased markedly in the five years immediately following the National Firearms Act, despite the general downward trend experienced by other developed countries.
• Great Britain has some of the strictest gun control laws in the developed world, but the violent crime rate for homicide, rape, burglary, and aggravated assault is much higher than that in the U.S. Further, approximately 60 percent of burglaries in Great Britain occur while residents are home, compared to just 13 percent in the U.S., and British burglars admit to targeting occupied residences because they are more likely to find wallets and purses.
• It is difficult to compare homicide and firearm-related murder rates across international borders because countries use different methods to determine which deaths “count” for purposes of violent crime. For example, since 1967, Great Britain has excluded from its homicide counts any case that does not result in a conviction, that was the result of dangerous driving, or in which the person was determined to have acted in self-defense. All of these factors are counted as “homicides” in the United States.

7. Legally owned firearms are used for lawful purposes much more often than they are used to commit crimes or suicide.

• In 2013, President Barack Obama ordered the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to assess existing research on gun violence. The report, compiled by the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council, found (among other things) that firearms are used defensively hundreds of thousands of times every year.
• According to the CDC, “self-defense can be an important crime deterrent.” Recent CDC reports acknowledge that studies directly assessing the effect of actual defensive uses of guns have found “consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”
• Semi-automatic rifles (such as the AR-15) are commonly used as self-defense weapons in the homes of law-abiding citizens because they are easier to control than handguns, are more versatile than handguns, and offer the advantage of up to 30 rounds of protection. Even Vox has published stories defending the use of the AR-15.
• AR-15s have been used to save lives on many occasions, including:
  • Oswego, Illinois (2018) — A man with an AR-15 intervened to stop a neighbor’s knife attack and cited the larger weapon’s “intimidation factor” as a reason why the attacker dropped the knife.
  • Catawba County, North Carolina (2018) — A 17-year-old successfully fought off three armed attackers with his AR-15.
  • Houston, Texas (2017) — A homeowner survived a drive-by shooting by defending himself with his AR-15.
  • Broken Arrow, Oklahoma (2017) — A homeowner’s son killed three would-be burglars with an AR-15 (the man was later deemed to have acted in justifiable self-defense).
  • Ferguson, Missouri (2014) — African-American men protected a white man’s store from rioters by standing outside armed with AR-15s.
  • Texas (2013) — A 15-year-old boy used an AR-15 during a home invasion to save both his life and that of his 12-year-old sister.
  • Rochester, New York (2013) — Home intruders fled after facing an AR-15.

8. Concealed carry permit holders are not the problem, but they may be part of the solution.

• Noted criminologist John Lott found that, as a group, concealed carry permit holders are some of the most law-abiding people in the United States. The rate at which they commit crimes generally and firearm crimes specifically is between one-sixth and one-tenth of that recorded for police officers, who are themselves committing crimes at a fraction of the rate of the general population.
• Between 2007 and 2015, murder rates dropped 16 percent and violent crime rates dropped 18 percent, even though the percentage of adults with concealed carry permits rose by 190 percent.
• Regression estimates show a significant association between increased permit ownership and a drop in murder and violent crime rates. Each percentage point increase in rates of permit-holding is associated with a roughly 2.5 percent drop in the murder rate.
• Concealed carry permit holders are often “the good guy with a gun,” even though they rarely receive the attention of the national media. Concealed carry permit holders were credited with saving multiple lives in:
  • Rockledge, Florida (2017);
  • Antioch, Tennessee (2017);
  • Arlington, Texas (2017);
  • Lyman, South Carolina (2016);
  • Winton, Ohio (2015);
  • Conyers, Georgia (2015);
  • New Holland, South Carolina (2015);
  • Chicago, Illinois (2015);
  • Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (2015);
  • Darby, Pennsylvania (2015);
  • Chicago, Illinois (2014);
  • Portland, Oregon (2014); and
  • Spartanburg, South Carolina (2012).

Here Are 8 Stubborn Facts on Gun Violence in America


Fact Check: Are Most Gun Crimes Committed With Handguns?

 

[WTP]

When we have some control over people's access to firearms.

An illegal murdered 3 people here in KC last week. When will it end?

When we have CONTROL of our borders?

More murders of U.S. citizens occur from domestic terrorism. When you have control of that, is when things will get better. Illegals and mass shootings in this country are mostly non-existent. Stay focused on the real problem.

I focus on the real problem with every post. Read my sig

When you manufacture an intelligent argument in favor of your signature, you be sure to let us know what that is will you?

Liberal loon detected

You are failing miserably as expected. No real intelligent counter argument to this problem, so everyone else who has one, becomes the "Liberal Loon". What a coward you are. You mean to tell me you can't even lock horns with a bunch of "liberal Loons"? Lol! You're a friggin joke, and a coward. Get out of here.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Santa Fe High School shooting: Suspect in custody, assistant principal says - CNN

Details still breaking.

When will this end?

/----/ when will criminal behavior end? Never.

Yep.... the Disney dwellers sit out there in radioland and think that there is some way we're going to have a day where tragedies don't happen. It's called missing too many memos.

Ah...so we should just get used to it....I agree. School shootings are the new normal in this country. #MAGA!

You had these school shootings pre-Trump though eg. Columbine that occur when Bill Clinton was in office and also that was during the Assault Weapons Ban, so how did banning Assault Weapons prevent Columbine? It didn't.

Statistics is your friend, if you only you invite statistics into that bubble world of yours.

I'm not in any Bubble, unlike 99.9% of Leftists who exist in the Leftist Bubble of Alternative Reality Where The Real World Never Enters.

 

[BlindBoo]

Which comes first these days. The demand for stricter gun control or the whining about that demand?

I think I'll call it a tie.

 

[skookerasbil]

Santa Fe High School shooting: Suspect in custody, assistant principal says - CNN

Details still breaking.

When will this end?

/----/ when will criminal behavior end? Never.

Yep.... the Disney dwellers sit out there in radioland and think that there is some way we're going to have a day where tragedies don't happen. It's called missing too many memos.

Ah...so we should just get used to it....I agree. School shootings are the new normal in this country. #MAGA!

You had these school shootings pre-Trump though eg. Columbine that occur when Bill Clinton was in office and also that was during the Assault Weapons Ban, so how did banning Assault Weapons prevent Columbine? It didn't.

Statistics is your friend, if you only you invite statistics into that bubble world of yours.

Well take a bow s0n....we're all real proud of ya! David Hogg said the same exact thing.... and Congress could not possibly have gone to sleep any faster!!

It's all about who's not winning s0n!!

@www.youlose.com

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

An illegal murdered 3 people here in KC last week. When will it end?

When we have CONTROL of our borders?

More murders of U.S. citizens occur from domestic terrorism. When you have control of that, is when things will get better. Illegals and mass shootings in this country are mostly non-existent. Stay focused on the real problem.

I focus on the real problem with every post. Read my sig

When you manufacture an intelligent argument in favor of your signature, you be sure to let us know what that is will you?

Liberal loon detected

You are failing miserably as expected. No real intelligent counter argument to this problem, so everyone else who has one, becomes the "Liberal Loon". What a coward you are. You mean to tell me you can't even lock horns with a bunch of "liberal Loons"? Lol! You're a friggin joke, and a coward. Get out of here.

"Get out of here."

You get out of here, Grampa has been here since 2011 you only joined 14 days ago.

 

[WTP]

Probably another snowflake student upset he couldn’t get seconds of Michelle’s government approved lunch-like midday meal.

I wondered how long it would take some knuckle dragging narrow minded partisan to comment with great insensitivity and political malice.

And Leftists are never partisan? Leftists when there is another school shooting immediately whip out the Politics Card, most of them usually blaming The Donald.

Donald was the one who allowed the NRA to collude with Russia to commit campaign finance violations by laundering money through Russia to influence the election. But that's another matter.

Oh yea, and another thing; you can stick the politics you no where. I care about gun safety. Something your ilk seem to be cowardly afraid of.

 

[BlindBoo]

No one is asking the right questions.

Why are our kids so violent? Why do they value life so little? Why is killing an option?

Until we answer those questions, the killing will continue.

The children are filled with drugs, topped off by marijuana and fed a steady diet of social media hate.

Yah, go back to the daze of just Marijuana, LSD and Beer(when all else failed)!

 

[TemplarKormac]

What a coward you are.

Gramps is far from being a coward, keyboard warrior.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

An illegal murdered 3 people here in KC last week. When will it end?

When we have CONTROL of our borders?

More murders of U.S. citizens occur from domestic terrorism. When you have control of that, is when things will get better. Illegals and mass shootings in this country are mostly non-existent. Stay focused on the real problem.

I focus on the real problem with every post. Read my sig

When you manufacture an intelligent argument in favor of your signature, you be sure to let us know what that is will you?

Liberal loon detected

You are failing miserably as expected. No real intelligent counter argument to this problem, so everyone else who has one, becomes the "Liberal Loon". What a coward you are. You mean to tell me you can't even lock horns with a bunch of "liberal Loons"? Lol! You're a friggin joke, and a coward. Get out of here.

Says the noob who has no knowledge of my posting history.

Here's a hint jackass, I have intelligent conversations with intelligent people. I troll everyone else.

 

[JBond]

I will say it again. I wish schools would take security seriously. You do not see mass shootings in courtrooms.

Of course you don't because courthouses are loaded with LEO's either working there or there for a case. Only a dumbass would try to shoot up a courthouse.

They also tightly control entrances and use metal detectors. Multiple layers of security works.

Eight dead and one shooter detained. Another person is also detained. Not sure if that second was involved or not.

Oh yeah and I think they said this one was in a gun free zone.

Another failed gun-free zone, another pissed off public school student, another unprepared public school, and another missed opportunity to ask what these public schools are doing so wrong to their student to cause this.

As long as Big Pharma can make a buck off of turning kids into emotionless killing zombies its a big win on two fronts.

Profits for Big Pharma

Political Points for the left

Win/win unless your a kid. But who the fuck cares about them?

Big pharma does not force kids to take mind numbing drugs. Parents and teachers do.

 

[WTP]

More murders of U.S. citizens occur from domestic terrorism. When you have control of that, is when things will get better. Illegals and mass shootings in this country are mostly non-existent. Stay focused on the real problem.

I focus on the real problem with every post. Read my sig

When you manufacture an intelligent argument in favor of your signature, you be sure to let us know what that is will you?

Liberal loon detected

You are failing miserably as expected. No real intelligent counter argument to this problem, so everyone else who has one, becomes the "Liberal Loon". What a coward you are. You mean to tell me you can't even lock horns with a bunch of "liberal Loons"? Lol! You're a friggin joke, and a coward. Get out of here.

"Get out of here."

You get out of here, Grampa has been here since 2011 you only joined 14 days ago.

Then it's time for Grandpa to retire. He or she has yet to produce anything of substance that resembles an intelligent counter argument. If all Grandpa can do is float around "liberal Loon" aspersions, then he needs climb back in his cowardly hole from where he came from.

 

[grainbely]

Santa Fe High School shooting: Suspect in custody, assistant principal says - CNN

Details still breaking.

When will this end?

/----/ when will criminal behavior end? Never.

Yep.... the Disney dwellers sit out there in radioland and think that there is some way we're going to have a day where tragedies don't happen. It's called missing too many memos.

Yeah cuz school shootings been happening monthly for decades. :[ We're all desensitized to them now like it's normal crime per usual. Nothing to see here. Just innocent helpless kids getting murdered.

If it was 9 pretty blondes getting murdered by an illegal immigrant, we'd have to mobilize into legions of conservative political activists and force through some legislation next week.

 

[JBond]

I will say it again. I wish schools would take security seriously. You do not see mass shootings in courtrooms.

Its happened in Ft Lauderdale Courthouse in 1963 a defendent shot up a State Courtroom.....So never happens, it is just not reported Nation Wide

1963? Who gives a shit?

 

[grainbely]

Prayers and thoughts. If it was an illegal alien, we'd do something.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Prayers and thoughts. If it was an illegal alien, we'd do something.

What a truly insensitive post. That's just like me saying, "if it were a Trump supporter, you'd be cheering."

Wow. I've almost had enough.

 

[WTP]

More murders of U.S. citizens occur from domestic terrorism. When you have control of that, is when things will get better. Illegals and mass shootings in this country are mostly non-existent. Stay focused on the real problem.

I focus on the real problem with every post. Read my sig

When you manufacture an intelligent argument in favor of your signature, you be sure to let us know what that is will you?

Liberal loon detected

You are failing miserably as expected. No real intelligent counter argument to this problem, so everyone else who has one, becomes the "Liberal Loon". What a coward you are. You mean to tell me you can't even lock horns with a bunch of "liberal Loons"? Lol! You're a friggin joke, and a coward. Get out of here.

Says the noob who has no knowledge of my posting history.

Here's a hint jackass, I have intelligent conversations with intelligent people. I troll everyone else.

Yea, I can only imagine. Like the one's who have no problem in burying your counter argument on their first post, like me. When you feel like you are prepared next time, do try and come back with something remotely debatable will you?

 

[JBond]

As long as Big Pharma can make a buck off of turning kids into emotionless killing zombies

Has it been shown that most/all of these kid school shooters have been needlessly on drugs?
Do most/all of these kids have clinically diagnosed behavior problems?
Is there a pattern of doctors aggressively over-medicating children?
Is there a tendency now to diagnose otherwise normal child behavior into any number of "disorders"? (I think the answer there might be yes)

There is federal grant money for schools for each kid diagnosed with certain disorders. They receive a financial incentive to get as many kids as possible hooked on these fucked up drugs.

 

[Pop23]

I will say it again. I wish schools would take security seriously. You do not see mass shootings in courtrooms.

Of course you don't because courthouses are loaded with LEO's either working there or there for a case. Only a dumbass would try to shoot up a courthouse.

They also tightly control entrances and use metal detectors. Multiple layers of security works.

Eight dead and one shooter detained. Another person is also detained. Not sure if that second was involved or not.

Oh yeah and I think they said this one was in a gun free zone.

Another failed gun-free zone, another pissed off public school student, another unprepared public school, and another missed opportunity to ask what these public schools are doing so wrong to their student to cause this.

As long as Big Pharma can make a buck off of turning kids into emotionless killing zombies its a big win on two fronts.

Profits for Big Pharma

Political Points for the left

Win/win unless your a kid. But who the fuck cares about them?

Big pharma does not force kids to take mind numbing drugs. Parents and teachers do.

We are in much agreement, but Parents also seek good information, and for some reason, folks give these people in white jackets far more respect than they deserve.