You are unemployed and want a new job, under a Democratic president you have a better chance of getting one!

[jotathought]

You truly have to do some research before you open your mouth to say such uninformed garbage.

Here and from the Brookings.edu institute

The collapse of bipartisan immigration reform: A guide for the perplexed​

The team negotiated for four months to produce this bill. It took less than four days for its support among Republicans to collapse. Why?

The easiest explanation is that Republicans in both the House and Senate yielded to objections from their all-but-certain presidential nominee, former president Donald Trump. Once the House Speaker stated publicly that he would not allow the Senate bill to reach the House floor for a vote, Republican senators were unwilling to run the political risk of supporting a measure that would not become law.

The team negotiated for four months to produce this bill. It took less than four days for its support among Republicans to collapse. Why?

The proposal passed the Senate 68 to 32 with strong bipartisan support. But because it did not enjoy the support of a majority of House Republicans, then-Speaker John Boehner refused to bring it to floor for a vote, and the measure died.

My question for you is: "Are you man enough to admit your lack of knowledge and opening you mouth to give misinformation"?

The bill in 2024 failed a procedural vote initially, and then a subsequent vote as a stand-alone bill by both parties, including Corey Booker and other democrats -- it required a 60 vote majority.

 

[jotathought]

Take it up with the Brookings Education Institute. They are the ones that put up the article.

What happened to "truly doing research before opening your mouth and saying uninformed garbage?" John Boehner was Speaker of the House from 2011 - 2015.

 

[Luckyone]

No, there is nothing "amazing" about the defeat of the illegal immigration EMPOWERMENT bill, disguised as an immigration security bill. It would have allowed 5,000 illegal aliens to come into the US legally every day (essentially legalizing all of Biden's illegal acts). Hardly a "compromise".

Thank goodness there were enough sensible Republicans in the House to kill the crazy thing. And they all get the CREDIT for killing it, not just Trump. As speaker Johnson said >> "Dead on arrival."

That is your opinion and it is nothing that is going to change anything. Better and more knowledgeable people than you and I have not been able to solve the problem for 50 years. Do you honestly think that your points are going to make any difference?

 

[protectionist]

You are wrong....



Faulty logic. If anything it shows Mexico cares more for its women, protecting them when they're in public places, perhaps alone, at night..etc. Women get assaulted here in NYC on trains and buses too and at least over there they're proactive. You're pretending that we care more about women here, yet in our country girls are getting injected with puberty blockers and getting their breasts cut off. Children are being sexualized in the name of "woke progressive" liberal ideology.




You're just spewing gobbledygook.



They really care about their women if their society is doing that.



Yet you're demonizing Mexican culture.




You're a demented geriatric teenager.



You can dish it out but you can't take it.



Of course it is. I'm just applying your crap reasoning. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.



There are A LOT of Dems in the US, so all of the LGBTQ child abuse lunacy is indeed representative of America. How about that? Did you like that analysis? That's how you sound with your blanket accusations against Mexican men.



And the vast majority of Mexican men aren't pro-rape. So what does that say about your stupid charge, that Mexican men are rapists? If Mexico's men are rapists, then America is pro-LGBTQA++++ and for cutting girl's breasts off and injecting children with puberty blockers.



Let's go through your list...

1. Record positive numbers on the economy, record highs in stock market, despite Covid shutdowns.

The stock market's performance primarily benefits the wealthy elite who own most of the stocks, while real wages for workers have stagnated. The so-called economic growth did little to address the widening income inequality that leaves the working class struggling.

2. Stopped the absurd practice of giving China unrestricted access to our valuable market, and reduced the amount of imports coming from China.

The trade war with China hurt American farmers and consumers more than it benefited them, leading to higher prices of goods and billions in government bailouts. It was a short-sighted approach that ultimately hurt the working class.

3. Holding China accountable for cyber theft.

While addressing cyber theft is important, Trump's tariffs and trade policies created instability without significantly improving cybersecurity. The brunt of the economic fallout was felt by American workers and consumers.

4. Taking Mexico and Central American countries to task for illegal immigration.

Trump’s immigration policies were driven by xenophobia and punished vulnerable families, rather than addressing the root causes of migration like poverty and violence, often exacerbated if not caused by American foreign policy towards Latin America. This approach did nothing to support or protect American workers.

5. Created 10 million jobs in 4 months, created over 400,000 manufacturing jobs.

The jobs created were largely a rebound from pandemic-induced layoffs, not new opportunities, and many lacked stability and decent wages. Manufacturing jobs, meanwhile, continued to decline overall under Trump's watch.

6. Unemployment claims hit 50-year low.

Low unemployment claims were more about economic trends predating Trump, while the quality of jobs remained poor, with many workers stuck in low-wage, part-time, or gig economy roles that don’t offer financial security.

7. Lowest unemployment for blacks, Hispanics, Asians, and disabled in US history.

While unemployment rates dropped, systemic inequalities and wage disparities persisted, leaving many minorities in low-paying jobs without meaningful economic mobility. This was more a result of broader economic trends than specific Trump policies.

8. Lowest unemployment for women in over 70 years.

This statistic ignores the fact that many women were concentrated in low-wage, precarious jobs. The pandemic later revealed the fragility of this so-called progress, as women disproportionately lost jobs or had to leave the workforce.

9. Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.

The jobs many of these workers took were often in industries with poor working conditions and low wages, which does not equate to meaningful economic progress. Employment without fair pay or benefits isn't a win for the working class.

10. 4 million Americans off food stamps.

Removing people from food stamps without addressing the underlying issues of poverty and low wages only increased food insecurity. This "accomplishment" harmed the most vulnerable Americans who still struggled to make ends meet.

11. Vocational training topped 4 million - highest ever.

While vocational training is important, this was often used as an excuse to cut funding for higher education. The focus on training didn’t address the broader economic reforms needed to create sustainable, high-quality jobs.

12. Highest median wage in US history.

Median wage increases did not keep up with rising costs of living, especially when adjusted for inflation. The benefits were skewed towards the top earners, leaving most workers with little to show for the supposed wage growth.

13. Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.

Removing the mandate undermined the Affordable Care Act, leading to higher premiums and reducing access to affordable insurance for millions. This move left many working-class families worse off in terms of healthcare.

14. FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history; drug companies froze or reversed planned price increases.

While more generics were approved, overall prescription drug prices remained high. Trump’s administration failed to implement broader drug price reforms, leaving many Americans still struggling to afford their medications.

15. Reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs, saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars.

Any savings were minimal and didn’t address the broader issues of healthcare access and affordability. Meanwhile, Trump's other policies threatened Medicare and Medicaid, jeopardizing the healthcare of millions of low-income Americans.

16. Signed Right-To-Try legislation.

This legislation was more of a political gesture that benefited pharmaceutical companies more than patients. It lacked adequate safety and efficacy protections for those trying experimental treatments, making it a risky proposition for the vulnerable.

17. $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic (the most ever).

Despite the funding, Trump's administration focused more on punitive measures rather than addressing the root causes like economic despair and inadequate healthcare. The opioid crisis continued to ravage communities without sufficient support.

18. Signed VA Accountability Act.

While accountability in the VA is important, the act also paved the way for privatization, which could undermine the quality and accessibility of care for veterans in the long run. It was more about cutting costs than truly improving care.

19. Expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.

Expanding services is positive, but these expansions were often a prelude to further privatization efforts. The focus on short-term improvements ignored the need for sustained funding and comprehensive care for veterans.

20. United States was a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.

Focusing on fossil fuel exports worsens climate change and did nothing to transition to renewable energy sources. The long-term environmental damage far outweighs the short-term economic benefits for a few industries.

21. Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.

Exiting the Paris Agreement isolated the U.S. from global climate action and ignored the potential for green jobs that could benefit American workers. It was a short-sighted move that favored corporate interests over the planet's future.

22. Pressured NATO allies, and they're spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.

Increased military spending by NATO allies does little to improve the lives of American workers. It primarily serves the interests of the military-industrial complex, diverting resources from social programs that could benefit the working class.

23. Made the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.

Creating the Space Force was an expensive project that did little to address the immediate needs of American workers. It diverted funds that could have been better spent on healthcare, education, or infrastructure.

24. Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.

Exiting the Iran Deal increased the risk of conflict in the Middle East, which would have disastrous consequences for global markets and the working class. The deal was a multilateral agreement that Trump undermined without a clear alternative.

25. Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.

This move was a symbolic gesture that inflamed tensions in the Middle East and served the interests of a narrow political agenda. It did nothing to promote peace or improve the economic conditions of American workers.

26. Protected Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.

The Travel Ban was a discriminatory policy that targeted Muslim-majority countries, fostering division and xenophobia. It did little to actually protect Americans, while alienating key allies and communities.

27. Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.

Keeping Guantanamo Bay open perpetuates human rights abuses and violates international law, further damaging America's reputation. It does nothing to protect American workers and only serves to maintain a costly and controversial facility.

28. MCA deal.

The USMCA had minimal impact on improving the lives of American workers, primarily benefiting large corporations. It continued the trend of trade deals that fail to adequately protect labor rights or environmental standards.

29. Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.

While increasing exports sounds positive, these deals often favor corporate profits over worker protections. There is little evidence that this agreement significantly improved wages or job quality for American workers.

30. Greatest number of heavily attended rallies in US history.

Rally attendance is more about spectacle than substance. It distracted from the lack of real economic gains for ordinary Americans and did nothing to address the pressing needs of the working class.

31. Net exports increased $59 Billion in 2018.

While net exports increased, the trade policies under Trump triggered retaliatory tariffs and created instability in key industries. These actions hurt American farmers and workers more than they helped.

32. Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.

The administration's harsh immigration policies betrayed America's values and harmed vulnerable refugees. These actions did nothing to address the root causes of displacement or support American workers.

33. We were BUILDING THE WALL.

The border wall was an expensive and ineffective project that symbolized xenophobia rather than actual security. It diverted billions of dollars from vital programs that could have benefited American workers and communities.

34. Provided quality detention centers for migrant children in Southwest Key Programs.

The detention of migrant children in these centers was widely criticized for poor conditions and treatment. This "accomplishment" was more about enforcing harsh immigration policies than providing care for vulnerable children.

35. Created 8,700 Opportunity Zones with investment incentives for companies to invest in distressed communities.

Opportunity Zones largely benefited wealthy investors through tax breaks rather than genuinely revitalizing distressed communities. They often led to gentrification, displacing low-income residents rather than helping them.

36. Got Israel/UAE/Bahrain agreement (the Abraham Accord), establishing Middle East peace.

The Abraham Accords were a diplomatic move that did little to bring about broader peace in the Middle East. It primarily served the interests of elite political agendas rather than working-class Americans.

37. Defeated ISIS and killed their leaders incl. #1 al Baghdadi

While ISIS's decline was important, it was the result of a collective effort by multiple nations and ongoing strategies that predated Trump's administration. Focusing solely on military victories ignores the need for comprehensive approaches to prevent the conditions that lead to terrorism in the first place. Additionally, these actions did little to improve the economic conditions or safety of the average American worker.

As you can see, Trump sucks, because I say so (similar to how Protectionist asserts Mexican men are rapists - He says so.). He's done nothing good. I'm like Protectionist, pretending Mexican men are rapists and I respond by flippantly dismissing everything Trump did and said.

This is probably the last WACKADOODLE post of yours that anyone in this forum will pay any attention to. That's the one good purpose it served.

 

[protectionist]

That is your opinion and it is nothing that is going to change anything. Better and more knowledgeable people than you and I have not been able to solve the problem for 50 years. Do you honestly think that your points are going to make any difference?

No it is FACT, not opinion. The only reason illegal immigration has not been abolished entirely is because of the presence of VESTED INTERESTS, primarily Democrat politicians needing VOTES.

US Vested Interests for Illegal Immigration

1. Businesses wanting cheap labor to boost their profits.

2. Churches wanting parishoners to fill their empty pews.

3. Unions wanting members to replace their declining memberships.

4. Spanish media NEEDING Spanish-only speakers.

5. Ethnocentrist organizations wanting immigrants to multiply their race, for racist reasons (ex. La Raza- "the race")

6. Democrats seek VOTES (and get them).

7. Terrorists come in to enact terrorism (ex. the 9-11 hijackers came in on visas)

8. Anchor baby parents who become LEGALLY entitled to welfare benefits by having the pregnant woman give birth on the American side of the border. And then help themselves to a lifetime of benefits (more immigrants are receiving welfare benefits than native-born Americans).

9. Mexico - remittances$$$ from the USA are their second largest source of income (second only to their oil exports) Mexico also benefits immensely by dumping their poor people on the US, as we then stupidly pay their poverty bill for them. Other countries also benefit from remittances and poverty dumping.

10. Mexico's "Reconquista" of the American southwest. I take the Mexican govt at it's word when it says that is exactly its plan.

 

[MagicMike]

Clinton created tens of millions of jobs, Obama created millions of jobs, and so did Harris/Biden, ALL IN CHINA

Fake news

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Sigh. The "magic immigration bill" was voted against by both parties—it was a bipartisan decision not to proceed with it. All the misinformation that Republicans and Trump are the culprits just isn't fact.

Only Trump saying 'no' killed the bill. It would have passed easily if T had not interfered.

 

[protectionist]

Fake news

How about MOST in China ?

Before you dismiss, take a walk through Walmart, and look at the backs of 100 items being sold. See how many say "Made in China".

Wanna guess maybe 90% ?

 

[protectionist]

Only Trump saying 'no' killed the bill. It would have passed easily if T had not interfered.

Bullshit. Republicans all knew what a piece of crap it was. Democrat SCAM.

 

[jotathought]

Only Trump saying 'no' killed the bill. It would have passed easily if T had not interfered.

So Corey Booker and other Democrats listened to Trump? The bill needed 60 votes for the next steps and received a 49-50 vote outcome, meaning roughly 10 Democrats/independents voted against it.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

So Corey Booker and other Democrats listened to Trump?

Schumer had the votes. You may be coy enough to play demure but not smart enough to convince anyone.

 

[Luckyone]

What happened to "truly doing research before opening your mouth and saying uninformed garbage?"

Brookings knows more about this than you or I. I quoted them. If they made a mistake, harass them for it. I trust Brookings as being more knowledgeable about the details of this than anything you or I can dig up anywhere.

By the way, I have not seen you come up with any article that says that Trump had nothing to do with the bill being nixed. Where IS YOUR PROOF?

Here is what Trump said right after it was stated by the committee (which had both Republican and Democrat agreed-upon support) and which caused the House speaker to immediately-thereafter reject the proposal

Trump calls border bill ‘a Death Wish’ for Republican Party: ‘Don’t be STUPID!!!’​

This was ALL Trump that caused this bill to fail.

 

[jc456]

Explain where I did any projection. You are using words but not being specific as to what you are considering is projection. Can you debate using data, statistics, and facts (not words)?

You should look up what the definition of projecting is. I’m not here to educate your willful stupidity

 

[jotathought]

Schumer had the votes. You may be coy enough to play demure but not smart enough to convince anyone.

10-ish democrats / independents voted nay.

 

[jc456]

I am not aware of all the details of what the tariffs did or did not do, and as such, it is difficult to agree or disagree with Trump. Nonetheless, the articles that I HAVE read, seem to suggest that more damage was done to the U.S. than benefit (due to the tariffs)

Trump’s Tariffs Cost Americans $19 Billion in 2018​

Did Trump’s tariffs benefit American workers and national security?​

1) American firms and consumers paid the vast majority of the cost of Trump’s tariffs.
2) While tariffs benefited some workers in import-competing industries, they hurt workers in sectors that rely on imported inputs and those in exporting industries facing retaliation from trade partners.
3) Trump’s tariffs did not help the U.S. negotiate better trade agreements or significantly improve national security.

Trump’s Tariffs Were Much More Damaging Than Thought​

Well of course your outlets tell you that. Your ignorance of a tariff is your fault.

 

[jc456]

Sounds wrong. Ho hum.

His outlets are all TDSERS, what else would he get?

 

[MagicMike]

How about MOST in China ?

Before you dismiss, take a walk through Walmart, and look at the backs of 100 items being sold. See how many say "Made in China".

Wanna guess maybe 90% ?

So are you calling for a boycot of America's largest retailer?

 

[jotathought]

Brookings knows more about this than you or I. I quoted them. If they made a mistake, harass them for it. I trust Brookings as being more knowledgeable about the details of this than anything you or I can dig up anywhere.

Your research and spreading garbage jab is backfiring on you. If a bill were to get a 68-32 votes, it would have passed the Senate, which it didn't in 2024, it also wouldn't have passed the House with a Speaker that hasn't held that position in since 2011 - 2015. Perhaps you should research your material before spreading garbage.

By the way, I have not seen you come up with any article that says that Trump had nothing to do with the bill being nixed. Where IS YOUR PROOF?

Here is what Trump said right after it was stated by the committee (which had both Republican and Democrat agreed-upon support) and which caused the House speaker to immediately-thereafter reject the proposal

Trump calls border bill ‘a Death Wish’ for Republican Party: ‘Don’t be STUPID!!!’​

This was ALL Trump that caused this bill to fail.

All you have to do is look at the procedural votes that failed and included democrats and independents. You know, the data and facts you continue to spew about. You'll be okay though ..

 

[Luckyone]

No it is FACT, not opinion. The only reason illegal immigration has not been abolished entirely is because of the presence of VESTED INTERESTS, primarily Democrat politicians needing VOTES.

US Vested Interests for Illegal Immigration

1. Businesses wanting cheap labor to boost their profits.

2. Churches wanting parishoners to fill their empty pews.

3. Unions wanting members to replace their declining memberships.

4. Spanish media NEEDING Spanish-only speakers.

5. Ethnocentrist organizations wanting immigrants to multiply their race, for racist reasons (ex. La Raza- "the race")

6. Democrats seek VOTES (and get them).

7. Terrorists come in to enact terrorism (ex. the 9-11 hijackers came in on visas)

8. Anchor baby parents who become LEGALLY entitled to welfare benefits by having the pregnant woman give birth on the American side of the border. And then help themselves to a lifetime of benefits (more immigrants are receiving welfare benefits than native-born Americans).

9. Mexico - remittances$$$ from the USA are their second largest source of income (second only to their oil exports) Mexico also benefits immensely by dumping their poor people on the US, as we then stupidly pay their poverty bill for them. Other countries also benefit from remittances and poverty dumping.

10. Mexico's "Reconquista" of the American southwest. I take the Mexican govt at it's word when it says that is exactly its plan.

"No it is FACT, not opinion. The only reason illegal immigration has not been abolished entirely is because of the presence of VESTED INTERESTS, primarily Democrat politicians needing VOTES."

The ONLY reason? Vested Interest primarily Democratic politicians needing votes?

You better be able to prove your words because if not, you are simply a

 

[Luckyone]

Well of course your outlets tell you that. Your ignorance of a tariff is your fault.

I see, and you know? How? Show me, prove your point. Words are free and anyone can say it. Prove your words!