The2ndAmendment
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I am so sick of Progressive scum always devaluing the Citizen and rendering them ultimately powerless in their perspective and rhetoric.
The fact is that the Right to by a Trial by Jury of your PEERS allows the American Citizen to determine which laws are just and which are not.
Thomas Jefferson:
Even Constitutional laws have been unjust, such as Fugitive Slave Laws and Prohibition, and these laws were rendered virtually useless through Jury Nullification. The verdict of a Jury (the acquittal in particular) cannot be overturned by a Judge (not even the Supreme Court), nor ignored by the Executive Power (they cannot arrest and detain/punish an acquitted man) nor usurped by Congress (Bills of Attainder are expressly forbidden in the Constitution). A Juror cannot be punished for his verdict. You, the Citizen, are the Supreme Sovereign of the Courtroom, and thus the Highest Earthly Authority to decide which laws are just and which are not.
Many claim that organized crime and the violence thereof was the reason Prohibition ended, but nothing could be further from the truth. If that were true, why hasn't the War on Drugs ended (modern prohibition) which has brought far worse violence and calamity than 1930's Prohibition ever did.
It was Trial By Jury that ended Prohibition (a progressive law --- go figure).
Progressives have had a rather unpleasant experience at the hand of Juries. There was a time when Progressives promoted "White Man's Burden," which was really an imperialist and racist policy to both invade and enslave people of color. Such Progressive White Supremacist ideas evolved into the KKK and eugenics programs. Notice that Democrats are still the Progressives, and they are still enforcing Black Codes in cities like Chicago to keep black people disarmed.
However, that aside, with their unpleasant experience of Fugitive Slave Laws being nullified by All-White Juries in both the North and South before the Civil War, they were clever to make the 16th Amendment (Income Tax) immune to Jury review, and it's through this penalty = tax, an absurd idea just recently affirmed by the Supreme Court, that Progressives are able to enforce their Unjust laws with a review by a Jury of your Peers, or --- Americans Citizens --- Progressives don't like when the ordinary Citizen is given this power, because they always nullify their unjust agendas and power grabs.
Identical in purpose to the 2nd Amendment, your right to Trial Jury, in Fifth, Sixth and Sevenths Amendments is there to empower YOU, the ordinary Citizen, as the Popular Sovereign. Popular Sovereignty was the CORE of the Enlightenment, it was the antithesis of the prevailing Feudalistic model of the Middle Ages, the Age of the Divine Right of Kings, where the Government officials were Public Masters. The Enlightenment brought upon an era where the Government officials were but mere Public Servants, who only ruled by the Consent of the People.
The decay of Divine Right started with the Magna Charta. It is here that the Barons decentralized the power of the King and granted themselves Trial by Jury, instead of Trial by King. In fact, this is where the word "Peers" derives from, since only Barons could judge other Barons.
Within time, as the Enlightenment took hold, the concept of Trial by Jury was extended to all Englishmen, and it wasn't long before the King and his Judges attempted to punish his subjects for rendering verdicts contrary to the Royal agenda.
By the year of 1670, Jury Nullification was recognized as the Law of the Land, and Juries no longer feared being punished their verdicts.
Even of the Freedom of the Press was born through Jury Nullification in the trial of Peter Zenger for publishing "seditious and libelous" articles about the King.
The Federalists got their asses handed to them during the Adams Administration when Juries routinely nullified the Alien and Sedition Acts (the Sedition half anyway). The Anti-Federalists rode a strong wave to victory not too long after --- and they never stopped violating those unjust laws --- they printed away as if those unjust laws didn't even exist...because convictions were EXTREMELY rare. The Government only prosecuted cases in districts where they were almost certain where there would be a conviction, and they still failed to obtain a conviction more often than they had expected.
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So why does this all matter? Well in history of modern firearms, there have been two standoffs within the United States in which the People have won. The first is the Battle of Athens, Tennessee, 1946, also known as the McMinn County War, the second is the Battle of Bunkerville, Nevada, 2014.
In both of these events, the Government has not, nor will not, arrest and prosecute the Militias that took up arms against them. The chance of acquittal (or a hung jury at the very least) are far too high and would be a devastating and humiliating popular blow against the credibility and authority of the tyrants currently in power. These Militias are protected by a Jury of their Peers. Unless the Government intends to punish and intimidate Juries in the 21st Century, there is no way of guaranteeing a conviction.
Of course, there is the NDAA, signed into law by Obama, that allows "terrorists" to be detained indefinitely in Article II Courts without a Jury Trial, but we have yet to see any Bunkerville Militia Members go missing, so it's safe to assume that the General Government has not implemented this unjust law that usurps Popular Sovereignty by annulling Jury Trials.
If the people resort to arms to resist immoral and unjust laws, you can rest assured that their Right to Trial by Jury of their PEERS will protect them.
That is why:
A: Confiscation of firearms.
B: Suspension of Jury Trials
Are automatic signals to overthrow the Tyranny that did either, because without either, you cannot resist the Tyranny. It appears, for now, that the Feds have backed off and respected the Will of the People. If this continues and the feds keep backing off, there will be no need to overthrow the Federal Government, it will actually be a peaceful (through strength) revolution.
And if you think the NSA and NDAA are the limits to which the Feds will ever abuse their powers, you are very naive. We must have either a peaceful revolution or a violent one to reverse the current course. I hope you desire the former.
And don't worry, someone is going to mention the handful of RARE cases where Jury Nullification was used wrongly, such as freeing whites who murdered blacks, but they won't tell you how many All WHite Juries freed slaves by annulling the Fugitive Slave Laws. They want you to hate Juries.
The fact is that the Right to by a Trial by Jury of your PEERS allows the American Citizen to determine which laws are just and which are not.
Thomas Jefferson:
Even Constitutional laws have been unjust, such as Fugitive Slave Laws and Prohibition, and these laws were rendered virtually useless through Jury Nullification. The verdict of a Jury (the acquittal in particular) cannot be overturned by a Judge (not even the Supreme Court), nor ignored by the Executive Power (they cannot arrest and detain/punish an acquitted man) nor usurped by Congress (Bills of Attainder are expressly forbidden in the Constitution). A Juror cannot be punished for his verdict. You, the Citizen, are the Supreme Sovereign of the Courtroom, and thus the Highest Earthly Authority to decide which laws are just and which are not.
Many claim that organized crime and the violence thereof was the reason Prohibition ended, but nothing could be further from the truth. If that were true, why hasn't the War on Drugs ended (modern prohibition) which has brought far worse violence and calamity than 1930's Prohibition ever did.
It was Trial By Jury that ended Prohibition (a progressive law --- go figure).
Progressives have had a rather unpleasant experience at the hand of Juries. There was a time when Progressives promoted "White Man's Burden," which was really an imperialist and racist policy to both invade and enslave people of color. Such Progressive White Supremacist ideas evolved into the KKK and eugenics programs. Notice that Democrats are still the Progressives, and they are still enforcing Black Codes in cities like Chicago to keep black people disarmed.
However, that aside, with their unpleasant experience of Fugitive Slave Laws being nullified by All-White Juries in both the North and South before the Civil War, they were clever to make the 16th Amendment (Income Tax) immune to Jury review, and it's through this penalty = tax, an absurd idea just recently affirmed by the Supreme Court, that Progressives are able to enforce their Unjust laws with a review by a Jury of your Peers, or --- Americans Citizens --- Progressives don't like when the ordinary Citizen is given this power, because they always nullify their unjust agendas and power grabs.
Identical in purpose to the 2nd Amendment, your right to Trial Jury, in Fifth, Sixth and Sevenths Amendments is there to empower YOU, the ordinary Citizen, as the Popular Sovereign. Popular Sovereignty was the CORE of the Enlightenment, it was the antithesis of the prevailing Feudalistic model of the Middle Ages, the Age of the Divine Right of Kings, where the Government officials were Public Masters. The Enlightenment brought upon an era where the Government officials were but mere Public Servants, who only ruled by the Consent of the People.
The decay of Divine Right started with the Magna Charta. It is here that the Barons decentralized the power of the King and granted themselves Trial by Jury, instead of Trial by King. In fact, this is where the word "Peers" derives from, since only Barons could judge other Barons.
Within time, as the Enlightenment took hold, the concept of Trial by Jury was extended to all Englishmen, and it wasn't long before the King and his Judges attempted to punish his subjects for rendering verdicts contrary to the Royal agenda.
By the year of 1670, Jury Nullification was recognized as the Law of the Land, and Juries no longer feared being punished their verdicts.
Even of the Freedom of the Press was born through Jury Nullification in the trial of Peter Zenger for publishing "seditious and libelous" articles about the King.
The Federalists got their asses handed to them during the Adams Administration when Juries routinely nullified the Alien and Sedition Acts (the Sedition half anyway). The Anti-Federalists rode a strong wave to victory not too long after --- and they never stopped violating those unjust laws --- they printed away as if those unjust laws didn't even exist...because convictions were EXTREMELY rare. The Government only prosecuted cases in districts where they were almost certain where there would be a conviction, and they still failed to obtain a conviction more often than they had expected.
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So why does this all matter? Well in history of modern firearms, there have been two standoffs within the United States in which the People have won. The first is the Battle of Athens, Tennessee, 1946, also known as the McMinn County War, the second is the Battle of Bunkerville, Nevada, 2014.
In both of these events, the Government has not, nor will not, arrest and prosecute the Militias that took up arms against them. The chance of acquittal (or a hung jury at the very least) are far too high and would be a devastating and humiliating popular blow against the credibility and authority of the tyrants currently in power. These Militias are protected by a Jury of their Peers. Unless the Government intends to punish and intimidate Juries in the 21st Century, there is no way of guaranteeing a conviction.
Of course, there is the NDAA, signed into law by Obama, that allows "terrorists" to be detained indefinitely in Article II Courts without a Jury Trial, but we have yet to see any Bunkerville Militia Members go missing, so it's safe to assume that the General Government has not implemented this unjust law that usurps Popular Sovereignty by annulling Jury Trials.
If the people resort to arms to resist immoral and unjust laws, you can rest assured that their Right to Trial by Jury of their PEERS will protect them.
That is why:
A: Confiscation of firearms.
B: Suspension of Jury Trials
Are automatic signals to overthrow the Tyranny that did either, because without either, you cannot resist the Tyranny. It appears, for now, that the Feds have backed off and respected the Will of the People. If this continues and the feds keep backing off, there will be no need to overthrow the Federal Government, it will actually be a peaceful (through strength) revolution.
And if you think the NSA and NDAA are the limits to which the Feds will ever abuse their powers, you are very naive. We must have either a peaceful revolution or a violent one to reverse the current course. I hope you desire the former.
And don't worry, someone is going to mention the handful of RARE cases where Jury Nullification was used wrongly, such as freeing whites who murdered blacks, but they won't tell you how many All WHite Juries freed slaves by annulling the Fugitive Slave Laws. They want you to hate Juries.
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