"You didn't get there on your own"

[HenryBHough]

Do it right with taxation and regulation and you don't have to worry about "the rich". Nobody will bother to do anything productive so all your hatreds will be without target. It'll turn to self-loathing and suicide. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Don't get your knickers in a twist; there is NO specific "you". "You" meaning only but all of those currently raging against those who have worked to make their lives better.

 

[Cecilie1200]

translation: as a low IQ liberal I lost the debate and so have been reduced to personal attack in a vain attempt to change the subject.

That's Ed. What do you want from a guy who calls himself a "cynic" because he's cynical of anyone who doesn't trust government? We're not talking "brain surgeon" material...

as a liberal he has no idea our country was founded by folks who didn't trust government.


As an example, all of the founders were for free speech but many were against the Bill of Rights on the theory that free speech might be lost if the government was protecting it.

And they weren't entirely wrong, were they?

 

[bripat9643]

The same could be said for wages, there were taxes paid many times on the same dollar before it was paid in wages and taxed again.

Not by the earner. Taxation upstream by my employer is not levied against or credited to me.

No. Those taxes go to someone else's employer.

Taxes all go to parasites sucking off the government.

 

[edthecynic]

you get wages when your investment in a job pays off in the form of a paycheck. You don't pay taxes on your wages before you earn them and again after.

with capital gains you pay taxes to get the capital and then again when the investment pays off.

This is why the whole world taxes capital gains differently. Its really over your head isn't it?

Plus its pure 100% liberal ignorance to tax capital since its a tax on economic growth!!

You get more igfnorant with each post. That's why you are a CON$ervoFascist.

translation: as a low IQ liberal I lost the debate and so have been reduced to personal attack in a vain attempt to change the subject.

That's rich! The person who likes to call people stupid whines like a little baby about personal attacks.

 

[bripat9643]

I love it, Republican administrations racked up about 13 trillion, including interest, of the 16 trillion GOP debt and it's the Obama administration who are untrustworthy. :cookoo: The GOP piss the money away and then say the cure is to punish the poor, the elderly and the sick. You say punish Obama.

Your numbers are pure horseshit. The debt was $11 trillion when Obama took over. He has added $5 trillion to it in his short time in office.

 

[bripat9643]

But just like wages were taxed only once after they were paid in wages, capital gains are taxed only once after they are realized by the stockholder.

too stupid you get wages by working and paying the tax; you get capital gains when you invest wages on which you have already paid taxes.

I love how the most ignorant know-it-alls think everyone else is more stupid then themselves.

you get capital GAINS when your investment GAINS value. That GAIN in value has never been taxed before and is taxed for the first time when it is realized. The original investment of your already taxed dollars is NOT taxed again when the capital asset is sold, and therefore only taxed once while in your possession.

Capital gains are almost always reinvested unless they are taxed away. A capital gains tax is a tax on economic growth.

 

[Bfgrn]

Not by the earner. Taxation upstream by my employer is not levied against or credited to me.

No. Those taxes go to someone else's employer.

Taxes all go to parasites sucking off the government.

Like these people?

The government awards contracts to companies with histories of misconduct such as contract fraud and environmental, ethics, and labor violations. In the absence of a centralized federal database listing instances of misconduct, the Project On Government Oversight (POGO) is providing such data. We believe that it will lead to improved contracting decisions and public access to information about how the government spends hundreds of billions of taxpayer money each year on goods and services.

 

[bripat9643]

Oddly it's my car in the parking lot at night and it's my bank account that is on the line. But I'm the one who's supposed to be "grateful." Gotcha. And you're welcome...

yes but the Romans invented the cement that holds your building together!! BO will accept payment on their behalf.

We benefit from the efforts of so many different people, but for some reason the government is the only entity that deserves to get paid.

Why is that?

 

[edthecynic]

I love it, Republican administrations racked up about 13 trillion, including interest, of the 16 trillion GOP debt and it's the Obama administration who are untrustworthy. :cookoo: The GOP piss the money away and then say the cure is to punish the poor, the elderly and the sick. You say punish Obama.

Your numbers are pure horseshit. The debt was $11 trillion when Obama took over. He has added $5 trillion to it in his short time in office.

Learn to read. There is nearly half a trillion per year in interest on the GOP national debt. You can't hold Obama responsible for the interest on the GOP debt.

 

[GuyPinestra]

The conpany and the investor are two separate entities. Each one is taxed only once. Your stupid argument was shot down in advance if you had only read the post you were replying to. Wages have been taxed as the dollars passed through other hands before they were paid as wages, so wages should get the same special tax privilages as capital gains.

And as fat as that bullshit that the little guy is getting a big share of the capital gains, the top 20% own 90% of all the stock and the bottom 80% own 10%. So while a lot of little people have some stock through an mutual fund, etc., the amount is so miniscule they are not getting very much from their stock.

The rest of your post was just a desperate attempt to change the subject awayu from an argument you know you are wrong about. Even your MessiahRushie admits that wage earner income is what is taxed the most to keep the wage earner from becoming wealthy as the capital gains tycoon. And this little tidbit from your link proves it. Wage earners pay 33 times more in taxes than the capitol gains tycoons.

Table 1 Sources of Federal Revenue (billions of 2003 dollars)

Capital gains tax $45
Corporate income tax $132
Individual income tax $794
Social Security taxes $713
Total revenues $1,782
Source: Historical Tables: Budget of the United States Government, Fiscal Year 2005 (Washington, D.C: Government Printing Office, 2004), Table 2.1, p. 22. Capital Gains from CBO.
Note: Columns do not add because not all sources of federal revenue are shown.

The Truth About Taxes
August 6, 2007
RUSH: I've told you before: the income tax is designed to keep people like his [Buffett's] secretary from becoming wealthy! There is no "wealth" tax. So this is a big misnomer. ...
But there's no tax on wealth. There is a tax on income, and the tax on income is designed to keep everybody who is not wealthy from getting there.
I'm talking about genuine wealth, not the way Democrats define "rich."

To begin with, ignoring the rest of my post as you did, is hardly a refutation of my argument that the current administration is UNWORTHY of any additional revenues to begin with. They've proved conclusively over the past 3 and a half years that they can't be trusted to behave responsibly with it.

In response to your argument on capital gains... I would still disagree. You say that two separate entities are being taxed, but the investors essentially ARE the corporation. They provide the capital, and the money that they buy their stocks with is taxed as earned income before the stock is even bought, at the corporate level when profits are made, and again as capital gains taxes.

I love it, Republican administrations racked up about 13 trillion, including interest, of the 16 trillion GOP debt and it's the Obama administration who are untrustworthy. :cookoo: The GOP piss the money away and then say the cure is to punish the poor, the elderly and the sick. You say punish Obama.

The investors are essentially investors and corporations are essentially corporations, they are still two separate entities. But if you want to claim that investors are essentially the corporation because they provide the capital, then the workers essentially are the corporation because they produce the goods and services the corpotation markets. All the capital in the world won't generate a single profit if the corporation has nothing to sell and no workers to sell it.

Elitist capital gains snobs think they are special and should be worshiped and everyone else is worthless and should pay the freight. They want a Feudal system with tycoons as the lords and masters and everyone else as peons. In reality it takes BOTH capital AND labor working together to make a successful economy. Either BOTH deserve special tax privilages or neither.

Which is exactly why the Dems should stop trying to extend only SOME of the tax cuts...

 

[bripat9643]

No. Those taxes go to someone else's employer.

Taxes all go to parasites sucking off the government.

Like these people?

ROFL!

Parasites provide nothing to the government in exchange for the cash they recieve from the government. The companies your story lists all provide the government with stuff the government wants. The fact that some leftwing agitators file complaints against them doesn't make them parasites.

As usual, the lib attempts to rededine a term to mean what he wants it to mean rather than what people who speak English know it to mean.

 

[bripat9643]

I love it, Republican administrations racked up about 13 trillion, including interest, of the 16 trillion GOP debt and it's the Obama administration who are untrustworthy. :cookoo: The GOP piss the money away and then say the cure is to punish the poor, the elderly and the sick. You say punish Obama.

Your numbers are pure horseshit. The debt was $11 trillion when Obama took over. He has added $5 trillion to it in his short time in office.

Learn to read. There is nearly half a trillion per year in interest on the GOP national debt. You can't hold Obama responsible for the interest on the GOP debt.

Sure we can, since you hold Republicans responsible for all the interest payments incurred while they were in office.

 

[Political Junky]

I love it, Republican administrations racked up about 13 trillion, including interest, of the 16 trillion GOP debt and it's the Obama administration who are untrustworthy. :cookoo: The GOP piss the money away and then say the cure is to punish the poor, the elderly and the sick. You say punish Obama.

Your numbers are pure horseshit. The debt was $11 trillion when Obama took over. He has added $5 trillion to it in his short time in office.

Like the two wars, Medicare D, and the tax cuts that that Bush "forgot" to inlude in the budget.

 

[bripat9643]

I love it, Republican administrations racked up about 13 trillion, including interest, of the 16 trillion GOP debt and it's the Obama administration who are untrustworthy. :cookoo: The GOP piss the money away and then say the cure is to punish the poor, the elderly and the sick. You say punish Obama.

Your numbers are pure horseshit. The debt was $11 trillion when Obama took over. He has added $5 trillion to it in his short time in office.

Like the two wars, Medicare D, and the tax cuts that that Bush "forgot" to inlude in the budget.

They were all included in the budget, turd brain.

 

[saveliberty]

We've been waiting over 30 years for 'trickle down' to happen. It never did, and it never will. The conservative era that began with Nixon and Reagan has brought us exactly WHAT? Skyrocketing prices on everything we consume. Reagan created as much debt in 8 years that ALL the presidents that preceded him accumulated...COMBINED.

Ronald Reagan was the WORST president for the small businessman/woman...The self-employment tax jumped as much as 66 percent.

In 1982, taxes were raised on gasoline and cigarettes, but the deficit hardly budged. In 1983, the president signed the biggest tax rise on payrolls, promising to create a surplus in the Social Security system, while knowing all along that the new revenue would be used to finance the deficit.

The retirement system was looted from the first day the Social Security surplus came into being, because the legislation itself gave the president a free hand to spend the surplus in any way he liked.

Thus began a massive transfer of wealth from the poor and the middle class, especially the self-employed small businessman, to the wealthy. The self-employment tax jumped as much as 66 percent.

In 1986, Reagan slashed the top tax rate further. His redistributionist obsession led to a perversity in the law. The wealthiest faced a 28 percent tax rate, while those with lower incomes faced a 33 percent rate; in addition, the bottom rate climbed from 11 percent to 15 percent.

For the first time in history, the top rate fell and the bottom rate rose simultaneously. Even unemployment compensation was not spared. The jobless had to pay income tax on their benefits.

A year later, the man who would not spare unemployment compensation from taxation called for a cut in the capital gains tax.

Thus, Reagan was a staunch socialist, totally committed to his cause of wealth redistribution towards the affluent.How much wealth transfer has occurred through Reagan’s policies? At least $3 trillion.

First question: Why were you waiting for the trickle down? Get out there and take the risks other have to further themselves.

I understand simpletons want simple graphs to show what they think are cause and effect. It isn't reality.

 

[saveliberty]

No. Those taxes go to someone else's employer.

Taxes all go to parasites sucking off the government.

Like these people?

The government awards contracts to companies with histories of misconduct such as contract fraud and environmental, ethics, and labor violations. In the absence of a centralized federal database listing instances of misconduct, the Project On Government Oversight (POGO) is providing such data. We believe that it will lead to improved contracting decisions and public access to information about how the government spends hundreds of billions of taxpayer money each year on goods and services.

Solyndra went bankrupt already, but Obama could always try again I guess.

 

[saveliberty]

For those of you who would like to free yourselves of government aid in college education, Hillsdale College doesn't accept any federal monies. They have amassed a very large Freedom Fund to help students with loans.

 

[Bfgrn]

Taxes all go to parasites sucking off the government.

Like these people?

ROFL!

Parasites provide nothing to the government in exchange for the cash they recieve from the government. The companies your story lists all provide the government with stuff the government wants. The fact that some leftwing agitators file complaints against them doesn't make them parasites.

As usual, the lib attempts to rededine a term to mean what he wants it to mean rather than what people who speak English know it to mean.

Those corporations get PAID by the taxpayers for goods and services they provide. Are you saying my tax dollars should pay them for what they DON'T do? We should let them milk the taxpayers? WHY, because you want to suck their cocks Monica?


Hey grandma, you parasite ...get your lazy parasite ass out of that chair! Get a fucking job, go back to college, start a new career!!!

Do you hear me grandma?

Do you hear me grandma?

Do you hear me grandma?

Do you hear me grandma?

You shall rise up before the gray-headed and honor the aged, and you shall revere your God; I am the Lord.
Leviticus 19:32

 

[bripat9643]

Like these people?

ROFL!

Parasites provide nothing to the government in exchange for the cash they recieve from the government. The companies your story lists all provide the government with stuff the government wants. The fact that some leftwing agitators file complaints against them doesn't make them parasites.

As usual, the lib attempts to rededine a term to mean what he wants it to mean rather than what people who speak English know it to mean.

Those corporations get PAID by the taxpayers for goods and services they provide. Are you saying my tax dollars should pay them for what they DON'T do? We should let them milk the taxpayers? WHY, because you want to suck their cocks Monica?

Your article only mentions "misconduct." It doesn't specificy the nature of the misconduct. For all we know it was some transgedered freak complaining that he/she wasn't allowed to use the women's restrooms.

If the "misconduct" involved money, then the government was probably reimbursed for any funds it paid out without justification. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a "miconduct" report on the record. It would have been dismissed.

[Hey grandma, you parasite ...get your lazy parasite ass out of that chair! Get a fucking job, go back to college, start a new career!!!

Are you admitting that you wouldn't support your granny if the taxpayers weren't on the hook for it?

 

[barry1960]

OMG!!! TOO perfectly stupid!!! He had 2 communist parents, voted to the left of Bernie Sanders, is openly for single payer, and is beloved by the CPUSA.

Norman Thomas quotes:
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.


This was precisely the tactic of “infiltration” advocated by Lenin and Stalin.[3] As Communist International General Secretary Georgi Dimitroff told the Seventh World Congress of the Comintern in 1935:
"Comrades, you remember the ancient tale of the capture of Troy. Troy was inaccessible to the armies attacking her, thanks to her impregnable walls. And the attacking army, after suffering many sacrifices, was unable to achieve victory until, with the aid of the famous Trojan horse, it managed to penetrate to the very heart of the enemy’s camp."[4]

C. S. Lewis on Diabolical Democracy, Socialism, and Public Education « Conservative Colloquium


Buckley endorsed Chambers’ analysis of modern liberalism as a watered-down version of Communist ideology. The New Deal, Chambers insists, is not liberal democratic but “revolutionary” in its nature and intentions, seeking “a basic change in the social and, above all, the power relationships within the nation.”

Nice rant.

as a liberal you will lack the IQ to say why you disagree with it. See why we are positive liberalism is based on ignorance?

Actually I had to go out and buy groceries for my family so I just had time for a short, but accurate response.

You assume i am a liberal, but I am a moderate. I do not think that Democrats are communists nor republicans are fascists.

My original point was that conservatives are reading way into Obama's original statement and would rather brand him a communist than address specific issues. Liberals have that same problem.

You illustrated my point nicely when you addressed only one small portion of my post (the next statement placed it into better context), engaged in a ad hominem attack by calling me perfectly stupid, then posted a series of stale quotes you got from some conservative source to enforce your non-point. In other words, you typed nothing.

After my short response, you indicated as a liberal I had a low IQ who could not engage your so-called points. If liberals all have such low IQs and liberalism were based in ignorance, I doubt they would have any success at all getting elected to office over a long term of time. All conservatives would need to do is educate the populace and liberalism would dissappear. This would seem to be an over-generalization. And yet you never really addressed the points in my original post. Thus, by your own standard, one would have to conclude that you possess a low IQ.

Why not address the issues at hand rather than copy and paste old quotes you heard on a talk radio show or a conservative website? Why do partisans prefer to engage in hyperbole?