You Gonna Fly On a 737?

[Lesh]

There have been two crashes in recent months and nearly the entire world has grounded these plane but we have not.

Apparently the planes have a software glitch that tries to drive the plane into the ground and there have been numerous events in the US that thankfully didn't result in crashes. Boeing is saying that a software fix was delayed by the government shutdown. Wonderful.

The Boeing CEO "spoke with Trump" and told him the planes were safe. Trump so far has done nothing. Do you feel safer?

 

[Darkwind]

There have been two crashes in recent months and nearly the entire world has grounded these plane but we have not.

Apparently the planes have a software glitch that tries to drive the plane into the ground and there have been numerous events in the US that thankfully didn't result in crashes. Boeing is saying that a software fix was delayed by the government shutdown. Wonderful.

The Boeing CEO "spoke with Trump" and told him the planes were safe. Trump so far has done nothing. Do you feel safer?

When the FAA says to ground the planes, then they'll ground the planes.

The issue, as I understand it, is that an upgrade to the software to prevent the plane from stalling was put in place as an added safety feature, but the training on how to use the feature has been slow. It isn't the plane that is the problem.

 

[Erinwltr]

There have been two crashes in recent months and nearly the entire world has grounded these plane but we have not.

Apparently the planes have a software glitch that tries to drive the plane into the ground and there have been numerous events in the US that thankfully didn't result in crashes. Boeing is saying that a software fix was delayed by the government shutdown. Wonderful.

The Boeing CEO "spoke with Trump" and told him the planes were safe. Trump so far has done nothing. Do you feel safer?

Hey, if Trump and Co. say we're safe, then we're safe.

 

[occupied]

Apparently work to implement a software fix was delayed weeks by the government shutdown.

 

[Rustic]

There have been two crashes in recent months and nearly the entire world has grounded these plane but we have not.

Apparently the planes have a software glitch that tries to drive the plane into the ground and there have been numerous events in the US that thankfully didn't result in crashes. Boeing is saying that a software fix was delayed by the government shutdown. Wonderful.

The Boeing CEO "spoke with Trump" and told him the planes were safe. Trump so far has done nothing. Do you feel safer?

 

[Lesh]

There have been two crashes in recent months and nearly the entire world has grounded these plane but we have not.

Apparently the planes have a software glitch that tries to drive the plane into the ground and there have been numerous events in the US that thankfully didn't result in crashes. Boeing is saying that a software fix was delayed by the government shutdown. Wonderful.

The Boeing CEO "spoke with Trump" and told him the planes were safe. Trump so far has done nothing. Do you feel safer?

When the FAA says to ground the planes, then they'll ground the planes.

The issue, as I understand it, is that an upgrade to the software to prevent the plane from stalling was put in place as an added safety feature, but the training on how to use the feature has been slow. It isn't the plane that is the problem.

Actually the wing configuration of the plane is such that it tries to stall (a catastrophic event on take off or landing...and pretty screwed up any other time) and a "fix" was put into the software controlling the flaps. Unfortunately the stall sensors think the plane is stalling when it is not and it tries to compensate...causing it to nose down and deploy flaps...crashing

And apparently Boeing knew about this "glitch"

 

[Darkwind]

There have been two crashes in recent months and nearly the entire world has grounded these plane but we have not.

Apparently the planes have a software glitch that tries to drive the plane into the ground and there have been numerous events in the US that thankfully didn't result in crashes. Boeing is saying that a software fix was delayed by the government shutdown. Wonderful.

The Boeing CEO "spoke with Trump" and told him the planes were safe. Trump so far has done nothing. Do you feel safer?

When the FAA says to ground the planes, then they'll ground the planes.

The issue, as I understand it, is that an upgrade to the software to prevent the plane from stalling was put in place as an added safety feature, but the training on how to use the feature has been slow. It isn't the plane that is the problem.

Actually the wing configuration of the plane is such that it tries to stall (a catastrophic event on take off or landing...and pretty screwed up any other time) and a "fix" was put into the software controlling the flaps. Unfortunately the stall sensors think the plane is stalling when it is not and it tries to compensate...causing it to nose down and deploy flaps...crashing

And apparently Boeing knew about this "glitch"

There is a specific procedure when the sensor begins to sense a stall. The pilots haven't been trained on it, or their training is inadequate. As I understand it, they all have been complaining for months. So, that means they know and have managed to compensate to some degree.

I think that the FAA is looking at a solution, but to My way of thinking, a design that makes the aircraft want to stay in the air is a good one. Otherwise they tend to fall down and go boom.

Accounting for ground effect on landing and take off is tricky regardless of the plane in question. Having a lot of hours is usually the key to pilots knowing how to deal with it.

The plane is safe, the issue is training. I'd disable the software upgrade until the training can be completed and to give them more time to evaluate the code for logic bugs.

 

[22lcidw]

There have been two crashes in recent months and nearly the entire world has grounded these plane but we have not.

Apparently the planes have a software glitch that tries to drive the plane into the ground and there have been numerous events in the US that thankfully didn't result in crashes. Boeing is saying that a software fix was delayed by the government shutdown. Wonderful.

The Boeing CEO "spoke with Trump" and told him the planes were safe. Trump so far has done nothing. Do you feel safer?

We all know that when we fly we want safety. The United States planes are more safe then in foreign lands. You can complain. But there has not been a crash of a plane in the intercontinental United States. Boeing is corrupted. What is funny is that there are people who work for them who spout that the Seattle progressive socialist way is so much better and they can not move their manufacturing to those red neck states. They eventually will when East Asia decides to become an airplane empire.

 

[Lesh]

I think that the FAA is looking at a solution, but to My way of thinking, a design that makes the aircraft want to stay in the air is a good one. Otherwise they tend to fall down and go boom.

Gee that sounds so simple right?

The reality is that the wing design is such that it generates TOO much lift making the plane climb more than it should. When a plane climbs at too steep an angle it LOSES lift...and then ....falls down. Kinda a bad thing.

So there are two choices.

Teach the pilots how to deal with an unsafe design or install software that compensates for it. Sane people realize that training pilots to try to compensate for a flawed design is kinda iffy. Not something we really want...ya think?

A software fix is a reasonable alternative...as long as it works. This one isn't working and people died

 

[Lesh]

It's kinda like designing a bus that has a tendency to tip over in turns. Yea...you can "train" drivers to compensate and "most times" that will work....

I kinda think that's a bad "solution"

 

[TNHarley]

There have been two crashes in recent months and nearly the entire world has grounded these plane but we have not.

Apparently the planes have a software glitch that tries to drive the plane into the ground and there have been numerous events in the US that thankfully didn't result in crashes. Boeing is saying that a software fix was delayed by the government shutdown. Wonderful.

The Boeing CEO "spoke with Trump" and told him the planes were safe. Trump so far has done nothing. Do you feel safer?

So do you want trump to listen to people or not? The FAA said its fine.
Make up your mind, twerp

 

[miketx]

There have been two crashes in recent months and nearly the entire world has grounded these plane but we have not.

Apparently the planes have a software glitch that tries to drive the plane into the ground and there have been numerous events in the US that thankfully didn't result in crashes. Boeing is saying that a software fix was delayed by the government shutdown. Wonderful.

The Boeing CEO "spoke with Trump" and told him the planes were safe. Trump so far has done nothing. Do you feel safer?

Everything is Trumps fault, but I notice you say say how or why Boeing needs the government to fix a fatal flaw in its planes. Has the gov learned to code or something? lol

 

[Lesh]

So if the FAA says it's fine...we just blindly listen?

Maybe we need to go a little deeper huh?

People did. The plane has flaws. Kick the FAA in the ass and find out why this was allowed to happen

 

[miketx]

So if the FAA says it's fine...we just blindly listen?

Maybe we need to go a little deeper huh?

People did. The plane has flaws. Kick the FAA in the ass and find out why this was allowed to happen

Ok, we'll all rush into Boeing's offices and demand they answer to us. lol. In reality all we can do is stop flying.

 

[Lesh]

Everything is Trumps fault, but I notice you say say how or why Boeing needs the government to fix a fatal flaw in its planes.

What? Yes...that IS the role of government dumbass

 

[martybegan]

So if the FAA says it's fine...we just blindly listen?

Maybe we need to go a little deeper huh?

People did. The plane has flaws. Kick the FAA in the ass and find out why this was allowed to happen

The planes have taken off an landed for thousands of cycles so far, with two crashes, one of which we don't have a reason for yet.

Is your desire to hurt Boeing related to wanting to bash Trump? Is this payback to Boeing for Trump getting a photo op from them in Vietnam?

I guess you want Airbus to take over the aircraft market and force the US out. How American.

 

[miketx]

Everything is Trumps fault, but I notice you say say how or why Boeing needs the government to fix a fatal flaw in its planes.

What? Yes...that IS the role of government dumbass

Riiiight, sure it is.

 

[candycorn]

There have been two crashes in recent months and nearly the entire world has grounded these plane but we have not.

Apparently the planes have a software glitch that tries to drive the plane into the ground and there have been numerous events in the US that thankfully didn't result in crashes. Boeing is saying that a software fix was delayed by the government shutdown. Wonderful.

The Boeing CEO "spoke with Trump" and told him the planes were safe. Trump so far has done nothing. Do you feel safer?

Yep

 

[Darkwind]

I think that the FAA is looking at a solution, but to My way of thinking, a design that makes the aircraft want to stay in the air is a good one. Otherwise they tend to fall down and go boom.

Gee that sounds so simple right?

The reality is that the wing design is such that it generates TOO much lift making the plane climb more than it should. When a plane climbs at too steep an angle it LOSES lift...and then ....falls down. Kinda a bad thing.

So there are two choices.

Teach the pilots how to deal with an unsafe design or install software that compensates for it. Sane people realize that training pilots to try to compensate for a flawed design is kinda iffy. Not something we really want...ya think?

A software fix is a reasonable alternative...as long as it works. This one isn't working and people died

That is why a plane has a pilot. To control the planes lift. Pretty simple actually.

All planes are designed to maximum lift. That is why they have control surfaces built into them. These controls are often monitored and controlled by a computer. However, no one is permitted to be a pilot unless you can control and monitor them WITHOUT the computer.

Landings and takeoffs are done manually, and only occasionally will a computer land a plane.

So, the plane has had thousands of landings without incident and only became a problem when they installed this software patch.

Easy logic. No crashes before the upgrade, two crashes and multiple successful crashes since the upgrade.

The problem is with the upgrade and the training, not with the aircraft.

 

[Darkwind]

It's kinda like designing a bus that has a tendency to tip over in turns. Yea...you can "train" drivers to compensate and "most times" that will work....

I kinda think that's a bad "solution"

What a piss poor analogy. Software on buses always takes turns too fast.