Your wife or shooting the guys who want to "harm" her....which do you choose...?

[Brain357]

Link?

link to logic? Really? LOL

Logic? Accidental shootings don't involve an intruder. If he thinks they do then there better be a link.

accidental shootings are decreasing even though the number of firearms in circulation are increasing

That has nothng to do with your previous crazy claim. You must have figured out it wasn't defendable.

Number of guns up, number of gun owners down. More guns, but less hands to accidently shoot them.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/03/1...ship-is-down-survey-shows.html?_r=0&referrer=

but what you fail to understand is that the laws gun banners want cut down on the number of guns that can enter circulation. not how they are distributed . and I don't believe that numbers down bullshit at all. I have received TWO phone calls from alleged pollsters asking if I own guns (I have well over a hundred). I denied owning any. why? because I have no clue who was actually calling. and lots of gun owners deny owning guns to anonymous pollsters

I can tell you as a competitive shooter that I see hundreds of new shooters in shooting events I have competed in for years. Cincinnati went from one Public indoor range (Target World) to two (Point Blanc East) to three (Point Blanc West) to Four (Ready Line) in the last 3 years and the numbers at TW are UP according to the log book (people have to sign a waiver card and are assigned a waiver number-the number of people getting cards for the first time have not diminished despite the area going from 12 lanes to over 60 in three years)

so I call BS on the number of shooters going down. CCW has caused a lot more individuals to actually CARRY weapons on the streets too, yet shootings have gone down

I think the evidence shows ownership is down. You having over a 100 guns supports that. The gun owners there are just have more guns than they used to. Lots of guys on here claim to have over a hundred guns. Also the shooting range business is down:
Shooting Ranges in the US Market Research IBISWorld

If ownership was up they would be doing great. They are however shrinking because we have lots of guys like you with a bunch of guns. Even with 100 guns you still use only 1 lane at the range. In my area there are the same number of ranges there were 30 years ago. And none of them are ever all that busy. It may be up in certain parts of the country, but overall I believe ownership is down.

 

[turtledude]

link to logic? Really? LOL

Logic? Accidental shootings don't involve an intruder. If he thinks they do then there better be a link.

accidental shootings are decreasing even though the number of firearms in circulation are increasing

That has nothng to do with your previous crazy claim. You must have figured out it wasn't defendable.

Number of guns up, number of gun owners down. More guns, but less hands to accidently shoot them.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/03/1...ship-is-down-survey-shows.html?_r=0&referrer=

but what you fail to understand is that the laws gun banners want cut down on the number of guns that can enter circulation. not how they are distributed . and I don't believe that numbers down bullshit at all. I have received TWO phone calls from alleged pollsters asking if I own guns (I have well over a hundred). I denied owning any. why? because I have no clue who was actually calling. and lots of gun owners deny owning guns to anonymous pollsters

I can tell you as a competitive shooter that I see hundreds of new shooters in shooting events I have competed in for years. Cincinnati went from one Public indoor range (Target World) to two (Point Blanc East) to three (Point Blanc West) to Four (Ready Line) in the last 3 years and the numbers at TW are UP according to the log book (people have to sign a waiver card and are assigned a waiver number-the number of people getting cards for the first time have not diminished despite the area going from 12 lanes to over 60 in three years)

so I call BS on the number of shooters going down. CCW has caused a lot more individuals to actually CARRY weapons on the streets too, yet shootings have gone down

I think the evidence shows ownership is down. You having over a 100 guns supports that. The gun owners there are just have more guns than they used to. Lots of guys on here claim to have over a hundred guns. Also the shooting range business is down:
Shooting Ranges in the US Market Research IBISWorld

If ownership was up they would be doing great. They are however shrinking because we have lots of guys like you with a bunch of guns. Even with 100 guns you still use only 1 lane at the range. In my area there are the same number of ranges there were 30 years ago. And none of them are ever all that busy. It may be up in certain parts of the country, but overall I believe ownership is down.

where do you live

and BTW If ownership numbers are down that cuts against the desires of the anti gun scum bags to pass more laws.

 

[Brain357]

Logic? Accidental shootings don't involve an intruder. If he thinks they do then there better be a link.

accidental shootings are decreasing even though the number of firearms in circulation are increasing

That has nothng to do with your previous crazy claim. You must have figured out it wasn't defendable.

Number of guns up, number of gun owners down. More guns, but less hands to accidently shoot them.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/03/1...ship-is-down-survey-shows.html?_r=0&referrer=

but what you fail to understand is that the laws gun banners want cut down on the number of guns that can enter circulation. not how they are distributed . and I don't believe that numbers down bullshit at all. I have received TWO phone calls from alleged pollsters asking if I own guns (I have well over a hundred). I denied owning any. why? because I have no clue who was actually calling. and lots of gun owners deny owning guns to anonymous pollsters

I can tell you as a competitive shooter that I see hundreds of new shooters in shooting events I have competed in for years. Cincinnati went from one Public indoor range (Target World) to two (Point Blanc East) to three (Point Blanc West) to Four (Ready Line) in the last 3 years and the numbers at TW are UP according to the log book (people have to sign a waiver card and are assigned a waiver number-the number of people getting cards for the first time have not diminished despite the area going from 12 lanes to over 60 in three years)

so I call BS on the number of shooters going down. CCW has caused a lot more individuals to actually CARRY weapons on the streets too, yet shootings have gone down

I think the evidence shows ownership is down. You having over a 100 guns supports that. The gun owners there are just have more guns than they used to. Lots of guys on here claim to have over a hundred guns. Also the shooting range business is down:
Shooting Ranges in the US Market Research IBISWorld

If ownership was up they would be doing great. They are however shrinking because we have lots of guys like you with a bunch of guns. Even with 100 guns you still use only 1 lane at the range. In my area there are the same number of ranges there were 30 years ago. And none of them are ever all that busy. It may be up in certain parts of the country, but overall I believe ownership is down.

where do you live

and BTW If ownership numbers are down that cuts against the desires of the anti gun scum bags to pass more laws.

The Midwest...

Yes I would think fewer gun owners would lower the demand to pass more laws. I think lower ownership is one reason for lower accidental shooting rates. I don't see anything really having a chance of being passed as long as crime rates and accidental rates continue to decline.

 

[2aguy]

funny we have more gun ranges opening here in Illinois....and making it hard to open ranges and trying to get ranges closed down because the gun grabbers don't like them is not a lack of interest or need in ranges.....you would think 10 years ago that no one wanted to smoke pot because there were no legal pot stores right....?

 

[2aguy]

link to logic? Really? LOL

Logic? Accidental shootings don't involve an intruder. If he thinks they do then there better be a link.

accidental shootings are decreasing even though the number of firearms in circulation are increasing

That has nothng to do with your previous crazy claim. You must have figured out it wasn't defendable.

Number of guns up, number of gun owners down. More guns, but less hands to accidently shoot them.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/03/1...ship-is-down-survey-shows.html?_r=0&referrer=

but what you fail to understand is that the laws gun banners want cut down on the number of guns that can enter circulation. not how they are distributed . and I don't believe that numbers down bullshit at all. I have received TWO phone calls from alleged pollsters asking if I own guns (I have well over a hundred). I denied owning any. why? because I have no clue who was actually calling. and lots of gun owners deny owning guns to anonymous pollsters

I can tell you as a competitive shooter that I see hundreds of new shooters in shooting events I have competed in for years. Cincinnati went from one Public indoor range (Target World) to two (Point Blanc East) to three (Point Blanc West) to Four (Ready Line) in the last 3 years and the numbers at TW are UP according to the log book (people have to sign a waiver card and are assigned a waiver number-the number of people getting cards for the first time have not diminished despite the area going from 12 lanes to over 60 in three years)

so I call BS on the number of shooters going down. CCW has caused a lot more individuals to actually CARRY weapons on the streets too, yet shootings have gone down

I think the evidence shows ownership is down. You having over a 100 guns supports that. The gun owners there are just have more guns than they used to. Lots of guys on here claim to have over a hundred guns. Also the shooting range business is down:
Shooting Ranges in the US Market Research IBISWorld

If ownership was up they would be doing great. They are however shrinking because we have lots of guys like you with a bunch of guns. Even with 100 guns you still use only 1 lane at the range. In my area there are the same number of ranges there were 30 years ago. And none of them are ever all that busy. It may be up in certain parts of the country, but overall I believe ownership is down.

Sorry brain...from experience...I don't trust these sources.....too many of these alleged journalists and anti gun researchers think they are doing a noble thing by downplaying gun ownership in the U.S.......the one guy Lott talked about said he hoped to strengthen the resolve of anti gun politicians to pass more gun control.....by using his poll...so no...I don't believe this....

Bearing ArmsJournalists in Fantasyland How Anti-Gun Media Convince Themselves Gun Ownership Is Declining - Bearing Arms


But what do we know beyond this apparently across-the-board, record-setting sales surge? After all, supporters of gun control are attempting to claim that while sales are up, gun ownership is actually down (PDF).

Well, we know that the number of women shooting has more than doubled in the decade from 2001-2011, and there is good reason to believe that number of women picking up firearms has only accelerated in the past four years since then. We know that the wider culture is much more respecting of Second Amendment rights. In minority communities, the number of blacks who agreed with the statement, “gun ownership does more to protect people than endanger personal safety” is at 54%, a figure which nearly doubled from 2012.

We’re seeing the number of indoor and outdoor ranges, both public and private, growing to meet the demand for more firing line space. We’re even seeing a new kind of range being developed to cater to emerging, upwardly-mobile urban shooting markets. These upscale, multi-million dollar “guntry clubs” are popping up around the nation.

Firearms instruction is also noting significant growth across the nation. Concealed carry courses, basic gun safety, and basic handgun courses are among the most popular, but we’re also seeing a significant growth in interest for more advanced courses. Everything from defensive handgun training to carbine (modern sporting rifle) training, to defensive shotgun, and precision rifle.

 

[turtledude]

accidental shootings are decreasing even though the number of firearms in circulation are increasing

That has nothng to do with your previous crazy claim. You must have figured out it wasn't defendable.

Number of guns up, number of gun owners down. More guns, but less hands to accidently shoot them.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/03/1...ship-is-down-survey-shows.html?_r=0&referrer=

but what you fail to understand is that the laws gun banners want cut down on the number of guns that can enter circulation. not how they are distributed . and I don't believe that numbers down bullshit at all. I have received TWO phone calls from alleged pollsters asking if I own guns (I have well over a hundred). I denied owning any. why? because I have no clue who was actually calling. and lots of gun owners deny owning guns to anonymous pollsters

I can tell you as a competitive shooter that I see hundreds of new shooters in shooting events I have competed in for years. Cincinnati went from one Public indoor range (Target World) to two (Point Blanc East) to three (Point Blanc West) to Four (Ready Line) in the last 3 years and the numbers at TW are UP according to the log book (people have to sign a waiver card and are assigned a waiver number-the number of people getting cards for the first time have not diminished despite the area going from 12 lanes to over 60 in three years)

so I call BS on the number of shooters going down. CCW has caused a lot more individuals to actually CARRY weapons on the streets too, yet shootings have gone down

I think the evidence shows ownership is down. You having over a 100 guns supports that. The gun owners there are just have more guns than they used to. Lots of guys on here claim to have over a hundred guns. Also the shooting range business is down:
Shooting Ranges in the US Market Research IBISWorld

If ownership was up they would be doing great. They are however shrinking because we have lots of guys like you with a bunch of guns. Even with 100 guns you still use only 1 lane at the range. In my area there are the same number of ranges there were 30 years ago. And none of them are ever all that busy. It may be up in certain parts of the country, but overall I believe ownership is down.

where do you live

and BTW If ownership numbers are down that cuts against the desires of the anti gun scum bags to pass more laws.

The Midwest...

Yes I would think fewer gun owners would lower the demand to pass more laws. I think lower ownership is one reason for lower accidental shooting rates. I don't see anything really having a chance of being passed as long as crime rates and accidental rates continue to decline.

I somewhat disagree. those who push gun restrictions do so for three reasons

none of them are based on a real desire to control crime or accidental shootings

1) they pander to the idiots who demand SOMETHING be done after a massacre

2) they push gun laws to fend off the claim that they are soft on crime

3) they want to put the NRA and like minded groups on the defensive so those groups have less to spend on conservative politicians

 

[2aguy]

Also....

Bearing Arms Guntry Club Insurgency Threatens To Destroy The Urban Roots Of Gun Control - Bearing Arms


High-end urban shooting ranges nicknamed “guntry clubs” are continuing to do booming business around the nation, as the shooting sports continue to grow and reach a much wider demographic of Americans than ever before.

Posh indoor clubs primarily catering to handgun shooters and owners of modern sporting rifles like AR-15s are a growth business, and reflect a growing American affinity for firearms.

In Miami’s arts district, a new high-end club attracts celebrities such as LeBron James who shoot fully automatic machine guns, then chill in VIP lounges. A Texas range features gun valets. A Colorado club offers custom-fitted earplugs, apps to reserve shooting lanes and chess sets. Membership fees at these new ranges are sometimes hundreds, even thousands of dollars. Cigar lounges — yes. WiFi — of course. There is lots of leather.

The high-end ranges come as the $15 billion gun industry’s sales have more than doubled since 2005. Fears of regulations with a Democrat in the Oval Office have juiced much of that growth, which is now leveling out. But experts also say an industry shift away from hunting culture has helped spawn a new generation of firearms enthusiasts buying up sleekly designed handguns and AR-15 rifles for tactical shooting practice.

The average age of new target shooters is 33, while 47 percent live in urban or suburban areas, and 37 percent are female, according to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a trade association for the firearms industry. Shooters spend $10 billion a year on target shooting, including the cost of firearms, ammunition and range fees.

Those demographics and economics are attracting investors without firearms industry backgrounds; they see ranges as a new place to employ their cash. Elite Shooting Sports, a nearly $14 million project, has investors from the electronics industry. Real estate, finance, hotel and auto industry executives have backed other new ranges.

Despite the best efforts of deep-pocketed left-wing foundations, power-mad billionaires, shrill gun control bullies, and a biased media, the shooting sports have never been as popular in American history as they are today.

There are more gun owners overall today than ever before, more people in different economic groups shooting that every before, and there is more engagement in urban areas in every demographic than most would have ever predicted… and it is al expanding every day.

“Gun Culture 2.0,” as some have called it, is becoming incredibly egalitarian in practice, not just in theory.

If this “urban invasion” of positive gun culture continues, the forces of gun control are going to be in very deep trouble.

 

[2aguy]

accidental shootings are decreasing even though the number of firearms in circulation are increasing

That has nothng to do with your previous crazy claim. You must have figured out it wasn't defendable.

Number of guns up, number of gun owners down. More guns, but less hands to accidently shoot them.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/03/1...ship-is-down-survey-shows.html?_r=0&referrer=

but what you fail to understand is that the laws gun banners want cut down on the number of guns that can enter circulation. not how they are distributed . and I don't believe that numbers down bullshit at all. I have received TWO phone calls from alleged pollsters asking if I own guns (I have well over a hundred). I denied owning any. why? because I have no clue who was actually calling. and lots of gun owners deny owning guns to anonymous pollsters

I can tell you as a competitive shooter that I see hundreds of new shooters in shooting events I have competed in for years. Cincinnati went from one Public indoor range (Target World) to two (Point Blanc East) to three (Point Blanc West) to Four (Ready Line) in the last 3 years and the numbers at TW are UP according to the log book (people have to sign a waiver card and are assigned a waiver number-the number of people getting cards for the first time have not diminished despite the area going from 12 lanes to over 60 in three years)

so I call BS on the number of shooters going down. CCW has caused a lot more individuals to actually CARRY weapons on the streets too, yet shootings have gone down

I think the evidence shows ownership is down. You having over a 100 guns supports that. The gun owners there are just have more guns than they used to. Lots of guys on here claim to have over a hundred guns. Also the shooting range business is down:
Shooting Ranges in the US Market Research IBISWorld

If ownership was up they would be doing great. They are however shrinking because we have lots of guys like you with a bunch of guns. Even with 100 guns you still use only 1 lane at the range. In my area there are the same number of ranges there were 30 years ago. And none of them are ever all that busy. It may be up in certain parts of the country, but overall I believe ownership is down.

where do you live

and BTW If ownership numbers are down that cuts against the desires of the anti gun scum bags to pass more laws.

The Midwest...

Yes I would think fewer gun owners would lower the demand to pass more laws. I think lower ownership is one reason for lower accidental shooting rates. I don't see anything really having a chance of being passed as long as crime rates and accidental rates continue to decline.

No...more people are getting actual training as more people own guns...because most Americans are responsible people and take owning a gun seriously......

 

[2aguy]

And again as to the anti gun progaganda to try to convince people that gun ownership is on the decline...

Debunking the Latest Gun Ownership is Declining Survey - The Truth About Guns


The problem with the majority of these surveys is that they don’t represent the actual number of people who own guns — only the percentage of people who will admit to a complete stranger that they own a gun. That’s akin to telling someone that you have a large pile of gold bricks in your house, something that lots of people might not want to disclose. Heck, I don’t even think I would admit to owning a gun during a phone survey.

That problem is magnified when you do in-person interviews, basically stopping someone on the street. That not only narrows the pool for respondents to large metropolitan areas (where there are enough people that you might get someone to actually stop and talk with you) and also will skew your answer depending on the geographic areas selected. In this case, I can’t find any evidence to indicate that NORC even left the greater Chicago area while conducting the survey.

A surveys is a notoriously imprecise way of measuring gun ownership. Why not use more concrete data? Pistol permits in New York, for example, have been steadily rising for two years now, definitive and conclusive proof that gun ownership is on the rise. And that’s a trend that is happening nationwide.

A more accurate way to portray these results is “fewer people willing to admit to owning a gun than in previous years,” not that gun ownership is on the decline.

But, as always, the mainstream media is too lazy to actually analyze the data that’s spoon fed to them before publishing. That, or they failed high school statistics.

 

[Brain357]

Logic? Accidental shootings don't involve an intruder. If he thinks they do then there better be a link.

accidental shootings are decreasing even though the number of firearms in circulation are increasing

That has nothng to do with your previous crazy claim. You must have figured out it wasn't defendable.

Number of guns up, number of gun owners down. More guns, but less hands to accidently shoot them.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/03/1...ship-is-down-survey-shows.html?_r=0&referrer=

but what you fail to understand is that the laws gun banners want cut down on the number of guns that can enter circulation. not how they are distributed . and I don't believe that numbers down bullshit at all. I have received TWO phone calls from alleged pollsters asking if I own guns (I have well over a hundred). I denied owning any. why? because I have no clue who was actually calling. and lots of gun owners deny owning guns to anonymous pollsters

I can tell you as a competitive shooter that I see hundreds of new shooters in shooting events I have competed in for years. Cincinnati went from one Public indoor range (Target World) to two (Point Blanc East) to three (Point Blanc West) to Four (Ready Line) in the last 3 years and the numbers at TW are UP according to the log book (people have to sign a waiver card and are assigned a waiver number-the number of people getting cards for the first time have not diminished despite the area going from 12 lanes to over 60 in three years)

so I call BS on the number of shooters going down. CCW has caused a lot more individuals to actually CARRY weapons on the streets too, yet shootings have gone down

I think the evidence shows ownership is down. You having over a 100 guns supports that. The gun owners there are just have more guns than they used to. Lots of guys on here claim to have over a hundred guns. Also the shooting range business is down:
Shooting Ranges in the US Market Research IBISWorld

If ownership was up they would be doing great. They are however shrinking because we have lots of guys like you with a bunch of guns. Even with 100 guns you still use only 1 lane at the range. In my area there are the same number of ranges there were 30 years ago. And none of them are ever all that busy. It may be up in certain parts of the country, but overall I believe ownership is down.

Sorry brain...from experience...I don't trust these sources.....too many of these alleged journalists and anti gun researchers think they are doing a noble thing by downplaying gun ownership in the U.S.......the one guy Lott talked about said he hoped to strengthen the resolve of anti gun politicians to pass more gun control.....by using his poll...so no...I don't believe this....

Bearing ArmsJournalists in Fantasyland How Anti-Gun Media Convince Themselves Gun Ownership Is Declining - Bearing Arms


But what do we know beyond this apparently across-the-board, record-setting sales surge? After all, supporters of gun control are attempting to claim that while sales are up, gun ownership is actually down (PDF).

Well, we know that the number of women shooting has more than doubled in the decade from 2001-2011, and there is good reason to believe that number of women picking up firearms has only accelerated in the past four years since then. We know that the wider culture is much more respecting of Second Amendment rights. In minority communities, the number of blacks who agreed with the statement, “gun ownership does more to protect people than endanger personal safety” is at 54%, a figure which nearly doubled from 2012.

We’re seeing the number of indoor and outdoor ranges, both public and private, growing to meet the demand for more firing line space. We’re even seeing a new kind of range being developed to cater to emerging, upwardly-mobile urban shooting markets. These upscale, multi-million dollar “guntry clubs” are popping up around the nation.

Firearms instruction is also noting significant growth across the nation. Concealed carry courses, basic gun safety, and basic handgun courses are among the most popular, but we’re also seeing a significant growth in interest for more advanced courses. Everything from defensive handgun training to carbine (modern sporting rifle) training, to defensive shotgun, and precision rifle.

The number of ranges is actually shrinking as I have shown. And the fact that so many gun owners have so many guns also supports ownership down. If everyone has over a 100 guns like turtle there are only 3,000,000 gun owners. Obviously everyone doesn't, but a lot do. That is why sales can be up while ownership is down. Heck I have 10 guns.

 

[2aguy]

again....


Debunking the Latest Gun Ownership is Declining Survey - The Truth About Guns


The problem with the majority of these surveys is that they don’t represent the actual number of people who own guns — only the percentage of people who will admit to a complete stranger that they own a gun. That’s akin to telling someone that you have a large pile of gold bricks in your house, something that lots of people might not want to disclose. Heck, I don’t even think I would admit to owning a gun during a phone survey.

That problem is magnified when you do in-person interviews, basically stopping someone on the street. That not only narrows the pool for respondents to large metropolitan areas (where there are enough people that you might get someone to actually stop and talk with you) and also will skew your answer depending on the geographic areas selected. In this case, I can’t find any evidence to indicate that NORC even left the greater Chicago area while conducting the survey.

A surveys is a notoriously imprecise way of measuring gun ownership. Why not use more concrete data? Pistol permits in New York, for example, have been steadily rising for two years now, definitive and conclusive proof that gun ownership is on the rise. And that’s a trend that is happening nationwide.

A more accurate way to portray these results is “fewer people willing to admit to owning a gun than in previous years,” not that gun ownership is on the decline.

But, as always, the mainstream media is too lazy to actually analyze the data that’s spoon fed to them before publishing. That, or they failed high school statistics.

I know...you anti gunners want it to be true so bad...and you already have a bad relationship with truth and reality.....but with help...you can cure that.....

 

[Brain357]

again....


Debunking the Latest Gun Ownership is Declining Survey - The Truth About Guns


The problem with the majority of these surveys is that they don’t represent the actual number of people who own guns — only the percentage of people who will admit to a complete stranger that they own a gun. That’s akin to telling someone that you have a large pile of gold bricks in your house, something that lots of people might not want to disclose. Heck, I don’t even think I would admit to owning a gun during a phone survey.

That problem is magnified when you do in-person interviews, basically stopping someone on the street. That not only narrows the pool for respondents to large metropolitan areas (where there are enough people that you might get someone to actually stop and talk with you) and also will skew your answer depending on the geographic areas selected. In this case, I can’t find any evidence to indicate that NORC even left the greater Chicago area while conducting the survey.

A surveys is a notoriously imprecise way of measuring gun ownership. Why not use more concrete data? Pistol permits in New York, for example, have been steadily rising for two years now, definitive and conclusive proof that gun ownership is on the rise. And that’s a trend that is happening nationwide.

A more accurate way to portray these results is “fewer people willing to admit to owning a gun than in previous years,” not that gun ownership is on the decline.

But, as always, the mainstream media is too lazy to actually analyze the data that’s spoon fed to them before publishing. That, or they failed high school statistics.

I know...you anti gunners want it to be true so bad...and you already have a bad relationship with truth and reality.....but with help...you can cure that.....

That is possible, but there really aren't any facts in that. Its all just guessing. It doesn't explain why shooting ranges are in decline. It's interesting you have 100% belief in some surveys, but then 100% doubt in others if they don't agree with you.

 

[Brain357]

That has nothng to do with your previous crazy claim. You must have figured out it wasn't defendable.

Number of guns up, number of gun owners down. More guns, but less hands to accidently shoot them.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/03/1...ship-is-down-survey-shows.html?_r=0&referrer=

but what you fail to understand is that the laws gun banners want cut down on the number of guns that can enter circulation. not how they are distributed . and I don't believe that numbers down bullshit at all. I have received TWO phone calls from alleged pollsters asking if I own guns (I have well over a hundred). I denied owning any. why? because I have no clue who was actually calling. and lots of gun owners deny owning guns to anonymous pollsters

I can tell you as a competitive shooter that I see hundreds of new shooters in shooting events I have competed in for years. Cincinnati went from one Public indoor range (Target World) to two (Point Blanc East) to three (Point Blanc West) to Four (Ready Line) in the last 3 years and the numbers at TW are UP according to the log book (people have to sign a waiver card and are assigned a waiver number-the number of people getting cards for the first time have not diminished despite the area going from 12 lanes to over 60 in three years)

so I call BS on the number of shooters going down. CCW has caused a lot more individuals to actually CARRY weapons on the streets too, yet shootings have gone down

I think the evidence shows ownership is down. You having over a 100 guns supports that. The gun owners there are just have more guns than they used to. Lots of guys on here claim to have over a hundred guns. Also the shooting range business is down:
Shooting Ranges in the US Market Research IBISWorld

If ownership was up they would be doing great. They are however shrinking because we have lots of guys like you with a bunch of guns. Even with 100 guns you still use only 1 lane at the range. In my area there are the same number of ranges there were 30 years ago. And none of them are ever all that busy. It may be up in certain parts of the country, but overall I believe ownership is down.

where do you live

and BTW If ownership numbers are down that cuts against the desires of the anti gun scum bags to pass more laws.

The Midwest...

Yes I would think fewer gun owners would lower the demand to pass more laws. I think lower ownership is one reason for lower accidental shooting rates. I don't see anything really having a chance of being passed as long as crime rates and accidental rates continue to decline.

No...more people are getting actual training as more people own guns...because most Americans are responsible people and take owning a gun seriously......

Yes and then there are those people walking around with a gun in their pocket and no holster. These are the people accidently shooting themselves and others. Are you actually against requiring a holster? Anyone with half a brain knows they should use one.

 

[2aguy]

again....


Debunking the Latest Gun Ownership is Declining Survey - The Truth About Guns


The problem with the majority of these surveys is that they don’t represent the actual number of people who own guns — only the percentage of people who will admit to a complete stranger that they own a gun. That’s akin to telling someone that you have a large pile of gold bricks in your house, something that lots of people might not want to disclose. Heck, I don’t even think I would admit to owning a gun during a phone survey.

That problem is magnified when you do in-person interviews, basically stopping someone on the street. That not only narrows the pool for respondents to large metropolitan areas (where there are enough people that you might get someone to actually stop and talk with you) and also will skew your answer depending on the geographic areas selected. In this case, I can’t find any evidence to indicate that NORC even left the greater Chicago area while conducting the survey.

A surveys is a notoriously imprecise way of measuring gun ownership. Why not use more concrete data? Pistol permits in New York, for example, have been steadily rising for two years now, definitive and conclusive proof that gun ownership is on the rise. And that’s a trend that is happening nationwide.

A more accurate way to portray these results is “fewer people willing to admit to owning a gun than in previous years,” not that gun ownership is on the decline.

But, as always, the mainstream media is too lazy to actually analyze the data that’s spoon fed to them before publishing. That, or they failed high school statistics.

I know...you anti gunners want it to be true so bad...and you already have a bad relationship with truth and reality.....but with help...you can cure that.....

That is possible, but there really aren't any facts in that. Its all just guessing. It doesn't explain why shooting ranges are in decline. It's interesting you have 100% belief in some surveys, but then 100% doubt in others if they don't agree with you.

I have doubt in anti gun surveys because I have seen how anti gunners distort their surveys to push anti gun policies....hemenway is a hack, kellerman is a hack, the various gun control groups go it....the guy who did a survey the General Social Survey made remarks hoping his survey would help politicians push gun control....so no...not all surveys are equal, and research by anti gunners has been shown to be shoddy at best, and lies at the worst......

 

[2aguy]

but what you fail to understand is that the laws gun banners want cut down on the number of guns that can enter circulation. not how they are distributed . and I don't believe that numbers down bullshit at all. I have received TWO phone calls from alleged pollsters asking if I own guns (I have well over a hundred). I denied owning any. why? because I have no clue who was actually calling. and lots of gun owners deny owning guns to anonymous pollsters

I can tell you as a competitive shooter that I see hundreds of new shooters in shooting events I have competed in for years. Cincinnati went from one Public indoor range (Target World) to two (Point Blanc East) to three (Point Blanc West) to Four (Ready Line) in the last 3 years and the numbers at TW are UP according to the log book (people have to sign a waiver card and are assigned a waiver number-the number of people getting cards for the first time have not diminished despite the area going from 12 lanes to over 60 in three years)

so I call BS on the number of shooters going down. CCW has caused a lot more individuals to actually CARRY weapons on the streets too, yet shootings have gone down

I think the evidence shows ownership is down. You having over a 100 guns supports that. The gun owners there are just have more guns than they used to. Lots of guys on here claim to have over a hundred guns. Also the shooting range business is down:
Shooting Ranges in the US Market Research IBISWorld

If ownership was up they would be doing great. They are however shrinking because we have lots of guys like you with a bunch of guns. Even with 100 guns you still use only 1 lane at the range. In my area there are the same number of ranges there were 30 years ago. And none of them are ever all that busy. It may be up in certain parts of the country, but overall I believe ownership is down.

where do you live

and BTW If ownership numbers are down that cuts against the desires of the anti gun scum bags to pass more laws.

The Midwest...

Yes I would think fewer gun owners would lower the demand to pass more laws. I think lower ownership is one reason for lower accidental shooting rates. I don't see anything really having a chance of being passed as long as crime rates and accidental rates continue to decline.

No...more people are getting actual training as more people own guns...because most Americans are responsible people and take owning a gun seriously......

Yes and then there are those people walking around with a gun in their pocket and no holster. These are the people accidently shooting themselves and others. Are you actually against requiring a holster? Anyone with half a brain knows they should use one.

Requiring a holster....? Really? Your inner fascist is showing again brain...and just how would you enforce this requirement for people......mandatory spot inspections? Since accidental gun deaths are only 505 a year....out of a country of over 320 million people is not a real problem........

 

[M14 Shooter]

Brain
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[Brain357]

I think the evidence shows ownership is down. You having over a 100 guns supports that. The gun owners there are just have more guns than they used to. Lots of guys on here claim to have over a hundred guns. Also the shooting range business is down:
Shooting Ranges in the US Market Research IBISWorld

If ownership was up they would be doing great. They are however shrinking because we have lots of guys like you with a bunch of guns. Even with 100 guns you still use only 1 lane at the range. In my area there are the same number of ranges there were 30 years ago. And none of them are ever all that busy. It may be up in certain parts of the country, but overall I believe ownership is down.

where do you live

and BTW If ownership numbers are down that cuts against the desires of the anti gun scum bags to pass more laws.

The Midwest...

Yes I would think fewer gun owners would lower the demand to pass more laws. I think lower ownership is one reason for lower accidental shooting rates. I don't see anything really having a chance of being passed as long as crime rates and accidental rates continue to decline.

No...more people are getting actual training as more people own guns...because most Americans are responsible people and take owning a gun seriously......

Yes and then there are those people walking around with a gun in their pocket and no holster. These are the people accidently shooting themselves and others. Are you actually against requiring a holster? Anyone with half a brain knows they should use one.

Requiring a holster....? Really? Your inner fascist is showing again brain...and just how would you enforce this requirement for people......mandatory spot inspections? Since accidental gun deaths are only 505 a year....out of a country of over 320 million people is not a real problem........

So you don't think people should carry responsibly. Interesting. You wouldn't inspect people. But if someone is stopped for something and they have no holster you would take their carry permit. If they are involved in an accidental shooting they would go to jail. There is no reason to carry without a holster. People should carry safely.

 

[2aguy]

where do you live

and BTW If ownership numbers are down that cuts against the desires of the anti gun scum bags to pass more laws.

The Midwest...

Yes I would think fewer gun owners would lower the demand to pass more laws. I think lower ownership is one reason for lower accidental shooting rates. I don't see anything really having a chance of being passed as long as crime rates and accidental rates continue to decline.

No...more people are getting actual training as more people own guns...because most Americans are responsible people and take owning a gun seriously......

Yes and then there are those people walking around with a gun in their pocket and no holster. These are the people accidently shooting themselves and others. Are you actually against requiring a holster? Anyone with half a brain knows they should use one.

Requiring a holster....? Really? Your inner fascist is showing again brain...and just how would you enforce this requirement for people......mandatory spot inspections? Since accidental gun deaths are only 505 a year....out of a country of over 320 million people is not a real problem........

So you don't think people should carry responsibly. Interesting. You wouldn't inspect people. But if someone is stopped for something and they have no holster you would take their carry permit. If they are involved in an accidental shooting they would go to jail. There is no reason to carry without a holster. People should carry safely.

I agree, people should carry a pocket holster that covers the trigger...but I am not going to put the law on them to satisfy the anti gunners....there is no reason to.....pocket carry without a holster is not a problem most of the time...statistics don't show it to be enough of a problem to add even more opportunities to punish law abiding gun owners......

And yes....there are times where carrying without a holster may be necessary....and I won't judge against that.....since the gun isn't going to go off unless you pull the trigger...the holster that covers the trigger is just an added safety measure....

 

[Moonglow]

The Midwest...

Yes I would think fewer gun owners would lower the demand to pass more laws. I think lower ownership is one reason for lower accidental shooting rates. I don't see anything really having a chance of being passed as long as crime rates and accidental rates continue to decline.

No...more people are getting actual training as more people own guns...because most Americans are responsible people and take owning a gun seriously......

Yes and then there are those people walking around with a gun in their pocket and no holster. These are the people accidently shooting themselves and others. Are you actually against requiring a holster? Anyone with half a brain knows they should use one.

Requiring a holster....? Really? Your inner fascist is showing again brain...and just how would you enforce this requirement for people......mandatory spot inspections? Since accidental gun deaths are only 505 a year....out of a country of over 320 million people is not a real problem........

So you don't think people should carry responsibly. Interesting. You wouldn't inspect people. But if someone is stopped for something and they have no holster you would take their carry permit. If they are involved in an accidental shooting they would go to jail. There is no reason to carry without a holster. People should carry safely.

I agree, people should carry a pocket holster that covers the trigger...but I am not going to put the law on them to satisfy the anti gunners....there is no reason to.....pocket carry without a holster is not a problem most of the time...statistics don't show it to be enough of a problem to add even more opportunities to punish law abiding gun owners......

And yes....there are times where carrying without a holster may be necessary....and I won't judge against that.....since the gun isn't going to go off unless you pull the trigger...the holster that covers the trigger is just an added safety measure....

I don't recommend putting them in your trousers with the barrel pointed at the pecker....

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The odds are 4,285:1 that your death will be from other than accidental firearms discharge.

And you are twice as likely to be accidently shot as intentionally killed by a gun.

Everyone dies Ernie.

Here's the thing brain. Guns save the lives of the innocent on more occasions than they accidentally kill.
Would you rather the majority die or the minority?
You need to stop and think what would happen if we banned guns. Look at Bmore for example,the cops have been staying the hell out of the ghetto and the murder rate has sky rocketed.
Why? Because the thugs have no fear of being shot by the cops. Guns are a great deterrent,and the idea you want to make victims of the weak or out numbered is crazy talk.