1,600-plus Scientists Say Climate "Emergency" Is a Myth

[flacaltenn]

You don't even understand what you are parroting there. They have Urban Heat Sink in the actual data, that's it. Every other claim of "warming" is fudge.

UHIsland effects are currently under-rated because they ARE increasing. It's really apparent in the Nashville area which has been re-named "crane city" over the past 2 decades. Even in Hillbilly Hollywood subburbs, I see a an increasing UHI effect. "They" dont wont to discuss because that shreds the narrative.

And for the same reason that we have THIS thread, that researchers are avoiding the whole truths -- it's NOT a largely researched topic in the GW library of papers.

Bottom line is -- most anywhere in the USA -- pick a date on the calendar and look at the variance year to year. Say we pick today 9 Sept, the variance just YEAR TO YEAR is in the range of +/-6 to 10 degrees FOR THAT DAY on the calendar. The GW signature rise in GMAST (Global Mean Surface Temperature) in your life is a small fraction of that.

 

[flacaltenn]

The declaration is basically a sham devised by Climate Intelligence Foundation which is tied to oil money and fossil fuel interest groups. The article leads readers to believe that climate scientists are rejecting the plea to speed up the process of the migration to alternative fuels. However, there were very few scientists that had any connection to climate change research signing the declaration. So if you would like to join those who signed the declaration, you can so by following the link in the article. And don't worry, you don't have to have any connection to climate research to be counted.

What exactly is "an alternative fuel" except hydrogen and nuclear which I would highly support? And with the ADMISSION of our lame Prez -- with the $600Bill that they tossed into wind/solar from the misnamed "Inflation Reduction Act" -- which Biden outright SAID was their equivalent of a "Green Raw Deal" pipedream, YOU should be more concerned right now about BIG WIND and BIG SOLAR than "big oil". Because THAT it is gonna be a clusterfuck of epic proportions contributing to the further demise of this country.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

What exactly is "an alternative fuel" except hydrogen and nuclear which I would highly support? And with the ADMISSION of our lame Prez -- with the $600Bill that they tossed into wind/solar from the misnamed "Inflation Reduction Act" -- which Biden outright SAID was their equivalent of a "Green Raw Deal" pipedream, YOU should be more concerned right now about BIG WIND and BIG SOLAR than "big oil". Because THAT it is gonna be a clusterfuck of epic proportions contributing to the further demise of this country.

I thought you had left?

It is reasonably non bad to see you posting again.

 

[flacaltenn]

This was originally "1000 Scientists" (LOL/NOT), then 1200, now 1600.
Virtually none are climate scientists and it's questionable how many are even scientists.
It's an OLD scam now.

You still are not putting much work in here. GW research is one of the most historically DIVERSE collections of expertise ever fielded to solve a "problem". It includes about 3 dozen scientific specialities. Everthing from biology experts to atmos physicists, geophysicists, statisticians, space engineering, agriculture and land mgt. Not to mention the armies of computer engineers that create the modeling, design the specialty equipment and engineers doing the signal and image processing for the cause.

You'll find less than 15% or so of GW labcoats TITLED a "climate scientist".

You're the best at bragging and "busting threads" with ad hom attacks, but you've done no real work in the all of threads you THINK that you "busted"..

 

[flacaltenn]

They have Urban Heat Sink in the actual data,

Are you retarded?

If you INVENT the Urban Heat Sink -- you'll be the savior of the planet dude.. Or maybe -- if you heard the news last week -- some outfit has created super-white, super reflective paint with a reflection coefficient of about 97%!!!!!!!!!

When I heard THAT was gonna solve GW -- I chuckled a bit because the worst thing to do is make "urban heat" travel TWICE thru the greenhouse gases.. Dont think they really thought that through. MIGHT reduce Urban Heat Island a bit, but it's also gonna heat up the lower troposphere a bit more.

 

[MisterBeale]

What exactly is "an alternative fuel" except hydrogen and nuclear which I would highly support? And with the ADMISSION of our lame Prez -- with the $600Bill that they tossed into wind/solar from the misnamed "Inflation Reduction Act" -- which Biden outright SAID was their equivalent of a "Green Raw Deal" pipedream, YOU should be more concerned right now about BIG WIND and BIG SOLAR than "big oil". Because THAT it is gonna be a clusterfuck of epic proportions contributing to the further demise of this country.

I believe the debate is a bit more nuanced. . . I mostly agree with you.

This guy was Obama's undersecretary of energy, however, Wiki crucifies him for telling the truth on this topic;

Steven E. Koonin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I felt this was the most honest discussion of the issue I have found. Interesting that he sort of blows the whistle, once again, on climate scientists, purposely manipulating the narrative.

Interesting. . . I would have thought, that all these different nations, and all these different scientific organizations, with all their different models, would come up with results for our near coming future, that were near to each other. . .



hmmmphf. Some "climate emergency?"

Hot or Not: Steven Koonin Questions Conventional Climate Science and Methodology| Uncommon Knowledge​

I think I'd like to check out this last book of his. . .

 

[abu afak]

You still are not putting much work in here. GW research is one of the most historically DIVERSE collections of expertise ever fielded to solve a "problem". It includes about 3 dozen scientific specialities. Everthing from biology experts to atmos physicists, geophysicists, statisticians, space engineering, agriculture and land mgt. Not to mention the armies of computer engineers that create the modeling, design the specialty equipment and engineers doing the signal and image processing for the cause.

You'll find less than 15% or so of GW labcoats TITLED a "climate scientist".

You're the best at bragging and "busting threads" with ad hom attacks, but you've done no real work in the all of threads you THINK that you "busted"..

You are a LIAR
This Bogus list had been busted by me... and another poster and on the last page and/or the one before.
TWO Different sources.
The OP is a Joke (and I would not be surprised if that vanished phantom was you and setting up your return with NO facts, just a bogus list.)

Again:

Fact check: Did 1,200 climate experts sign 'declaration' denying climate emergency?​

16/09/2022 -

A document claiming that 'there is no climate emergency' has been circulating on social media.
A climate-denying document, supposedly signed by 1,200 leading scientists and academics, has gone viral on social media.
The "World Climate Declaration" -- which claims that there is "no climate emergency" -- was first shared on 27 June. One Australian Senator shared the document on Facebook claiming that "this is further confirmation that there is no climate emergency".

Other well-known Conspiracy groups have argued that there is no scientific consensus that humans are to blame for global warming because the “Earth's climate has varied since the planet first existed, with naturally occurring cold and warm phases".

A 2021 report by Cornell University found that 99.9% of more than 88,000 climate change studies agree that humans have accelerated the phenomenon, largely due to carbon emissions.

Moreover, the last 15 warmest years on record have occurred since 2005, with the most recent eight years being the warmest, according to NASA.

Investigations show that practically None of the signatories to the "World Climate Declaration" are Climate scientists.

The two main Dutch actors behind the declaration are Guus Berkhout, a retired geophysicist who has worked for oil giant Shell, and journalist Marcel Crok. Both have been accused of receiving money from fossil fuel companies to finance their climate-sceptic work. They deny the allegations,

When looking closer at the list of signatories, there are precisely 1,107, including six people who are dead. Less than 1% of the names listed describe themselves as climatologists or climate scientists.

Eight of the signatories are former or current employees of the oil giant Shell, while many other names have links to mining companies.

One of the signatories is Ivar Giaever, a joint winner of the Nobel Prize for Physics in 1973 for work on superconductors. However, he has never published any work on climate science.

According to an independent 2019 count of the declaration's signatories, 21% were engineers, many linked to the fossil fuel industry. Others were lobbyists, and some even worked as fishermen or airline pilots.
[.....]

Fact check: Did 1,200 climate experts sign viral misinformation?​

A document claiming that 'there is no climate emergency' has been circulating on social media. #TheCube

www.euronews.com
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[EMH]

The GW signature rise in GMAST (Global Mean Surface Temperature) in your life is a small fraction of that.

small = ZERO

 

[mamooth]

UHIsland effects are currently under-rated because they ARE increasing.

That affects the temperature record not one bit. UHI doesn't keep rising for a given spot. Once it's urbanized, the UHI jumps, and then it settles. It doesn't keep rising more as areas further out get urbanized. And those jumps were compensated for decades ago. This is basic stuff, and you always fail at it.

Also, there's no difference in the rate of change between rural and urban stations. That simple fact conclusively demonstrates that your conspiracy theory is wrong. And you never address that fact. You always studiously avoid looking at the truth, because the hard facts shred your politically-driven narrative.

Bottom line is -- most anywhere in the USA -- pick a date on the calendar and look at the variance year to year. Say we pick today 9 Sept, the variance just YEAR TO YEAR is in the range of +/-6 to 10 degrees FOR THAT DAY on the calendar. The GW signature rise in GMAST (Global Mean Surface Temperature) in your life is a small fraction of that.

Is there any point at all to that deflection? It does nothing to refute the fact of steady fast warming, so it is just a deflection.

 

[mamooth]

When I heard THAT was gonna solve GW -- I chuckled a bit because the worst thing to do is make "urban heat" travel TWICE thru the greenhouse gases.. Dont think they really thought that through. MIGHT reduce Urban Heat Island a bit, but it's also gonna heat up the lower troposphere a bit more.

Since flac always needs so much help with the basics, I'll help him out here. Lighter colors reflect visible light, and visible light is not absorbed by the atmosphere.

 

[FA_Q2]

My petition is the latest, therefore my science supersedes yours.

Except yours was a lie.

There is that. Not that you care, lies are all the rage these days.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I do not accept that definition. That definition is BS.

heat sink definition - Google Search

a device or substance for absorbing excessive or unwanted heat.

You think city "heat sinks" are warmer than surrounding land because they're
somehow absorbing heat from the surrounding area?

What's the mechanism?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A 2021 report by Cornell University found that 99.9% of more than 88,000 climate change studies agree that humans have accelerated the phenomenon, largely due to carbon emissions.

Moreover, the last 15 warmest years on record have occurred since 2005, with the most recent eight years being the warmest, according to NASA.

Is this ^ proof that there is a "climate emergency"?

 

[ReinyDays]

UHIsland effects are currently under-rated because they ARE increasing. It's really apparent in the Nashville area which has been re-named "crane city" over the past 2 decades. Even in Hillbilly Hollywood subburbs, I see a an increasing UHI effect. "They" dont wont to discuss because that shreds the narrative.

And for the same reason that we have THIS thread, that researchers are avoiding the whole truths -- it's NOT a largely researched topic in the GW library of papers.

Bottom line is -- most anywhere in the USA -- pick a date on the calendar and look at the variance year to year. Say we pick today 9 Sept, the variance just YEAR TO YEAR is in the range of +/-6 to 10 degrees FOR THAT DAY on the calendar. The GW signature rise in GMAST (Global Mean Surface Temperature) in your life is a small fraction of that.

Double the people living in cities, we double the UHI effect ... especially if we're clear-cutting forests to make room for the cities ...

I don't think researchers are "avoiding" this area, just that the research is done, solutions found ... plant street trees ... the first documented specific acts to reduce the UHI effect was in Spain in 1594 ... the current push started during the Napoleonic Wars as relief from the misery of Europe aflame with war ... (according to Wikipedia) ...

Meteorological data tends to very high standard deviations ... so their averages come with very high margins of error ... it's scientific nonsense to claim 0.7ºF increase (±1.0ºF) ... yet fools think this will cause hypercanes where there's never been hypercanes before ...

 

[Crick]

Even in Hillbilly Hollywood subburbs, I see a an increasing UHI effect.

Specifically, what effects have you seen?

And for the same reason that we have THIS thread, that researchers are avoiding the whole truths -- it's NOT a largely researched topic in the GW library of papers.

On what basis do you come to that conclusion?

When I asked Google for scholarly articles on urban heat island, it told me that it had found 1,540,000 results which began like this:

Recent challenges in modeling of urban heat island​

PA Mirzaei - Sustainable cities and society, 2015 - Elsevier
… The elevated air temperature of a city, urban heat island (UHI), increases the heat and
pollution-related mortality, reduces the habitats’ comfort and elevates the mean and peak energy …
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[PDF] asu.edu

A review on the generation, determination and mitigation of Urban Heat Island​

AM Rizwan, LYC Dennis, LIU Chunho - Journal of environmental sciences, 2008 - Elsevier
… temperature or heat content called Urban Heat Island (UHI) and … Urban Cool Island (UCI)
or Urban Cool Valley (UCV). Higher urban heat is mainly caused due to the anthropogenic heat …
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Urban heat island​

HH Kim - International Journal of Remote Sensing, 1992 - Taylor & Francis
The phenomenon of an urban heat island was investigated by the use of Landsat/Thematic
Mapper data sets collected over the metropolitan area of Washington, DC. By combining the …
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A systematic review and scientific critique of methodology in modern urban heat island literature​

ID Stewart - International Journal of Climatology, 2011 - Wiley Online Library
… of heat island literature … heat island studies. Results of this assessment are discouraging:
the mean quality score of the sample is just 50 percent, and nearly half of all urban heat island …
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[PDF] academia.edu

A study of the urban heat island of Granada​

JP Montávez, A Rodríguez… - International Journal of …, 2000 - Wiley Online Library
… In this study we examine the Urban Heat Island (UHI) of … We also compare both rural and
urban temperature records, … distribution of temperature in the urban region and obtain the …
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[PDF] ametsoc.org

A numerical model of the urban heat island​

LO Myrup - Journal of Applied Meteorology and Climatology, 1969 - journals.ametsoc.org
… These observations and explanations suggest strongly that the urban heat island is the
result of a complex set of interacting physical processes. In these circumstances any one-…
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[PDF] sciencedirect.com

Research on urban heat-island effect​

L Yang, F Qian, DX Song, KJ Zheng - Procedia engineering, 2016 - Elsevier
… Urban heat island (UHI) effect is a kind of heat accumulation phenomenon within urban
area due to urban construction and human activities. It is recognized as the most evident …
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[PDF] patarnott.com

[PDF] The energetic basis of the urban heat island​

TR Oke - Quarterly journal of the royal meteorological society, 1982 - patarnott.com
… In summary, the urban heat island is a thermal anomaly having both horizontal, vertical
and temporal dimensions, which has been observed in virtually all settlements, large and …
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Observations of the urban heat island effect in New York City​

RD Bornstein - Journal of Applied Meteorology and …, 1968 - journals.ametsoc.org
… over the city. The average intensity of the urban heat island, ie, urban temperature excess, …
On mornings with relatively strong urban elevated inversion layers the heat island extended …
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[PDF] ubc.ca

Redefining the urban heat island​

ID Stewart - 2011 - open.library.ubc.ca
… urban and rural zones. The thesis concludes with a conceptual typology of urban heat island
… Landscape representation and the urban-rural dichotomy in empirical urban heat island …
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Approaches to study urban heat island–abilities and limitations​

PA Mirzaei, F Haghighat - Building and environment, 2010 - Elsevier
… Urban Heat Island (UHI) has significant impacts on the buildings energy consumption
and outdoor air quality (OAQ). Various approaches, including observation and simulation …
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Modeling and simulation of the Tokyo urban heat island​

TS Saitoh, T Shimada, H Hoshi - Atmospheric Environment, 1996 - Elsevier
… In most urban cities, it has become more and more certain … rise in the urban atmosphere
(urban heat island) and air pollution. … computer simulation of the urban heat island in the Tokyo …
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How to make a city climate-proof, addressing the urban heat island effect​

L Kleerekoper, M Van Esch, TB Salcedo - Resources, Conservation and …, 2012 - Elsevier
… One of the best known effects of the influence of the urban environment on its climate is the
urban heat island effect (UHI effect). This is the phenomenon that the urban air temperature is …
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Urban heat islands in China​

WC Wang, Z Zeng, TR Karl - Geophysical Research Letters, 1990 - Wiley Online Library
… which could cancel the urban heat island bias, stations in China located in the vicinity of
major cities have relatively large heat islands. The changes in the magnitude of the urban-rural …
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City size and the urban heat island​

TR Oke - Atmospheric Environment (1967), 1973 - Elsevier
… may even be of value in urban planning and weather forecasting. The … urban heat island
intensity (difference between background rural and highest urban temperatures, AT,_,), and city …
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-Urban Heat Islands​

M Roth - Handbook of environmental fluid dynamics, volume two, 2012 - taylorfrancis.com
… The urban heat island (UHI) is a phenomenon whereby urban regions experience warmer
temperatures than their rural, undeveloped surroundings. The UHI is the most obvious …
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Statistical analysis of the Madrid urban heat island​

C Yagüe, E Zurita, A Martinez - Atmospheric Environment. Part B. Urban …, 1991 - Elsevier
… The monthly AT~-r data were used to study the variation of the heat island throughout … heat
island depending on the synoptic situation. Finally, the persistence of the urban heat island …
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The city and urban heat islands: A review of strategies to mitigate adverse effects​

EJ Gago, J Roldan, R Pacheco-Torres… - … and sustainable energy …, 2013 - Elsevier
… of the way in which a city is structured. This effect is known as the urban heat island (UHI).
This article provides a review of recent research on the urban heat island as well as of the …
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A remote sensing study of the urban heat island of Houston, Texas​

DR Streutker - International Journal of Remote Sensing, 2002 - Taylor & Francis
… urban heat island in magnitude and spatial extent without the use of in situ measurements
and to determine whether a correlation exists between heat island … entire urban heat island as …
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Temporal dynamics of the urban heat island of Singapore​

WTL Chow, M Roth - … Journal of Climatology: A Journal of the …, 2006 - Wiley Online Library
… The temporal variability of the canopy-level urban heat island (UHI) of Singapore is
examined for different temporal scales on the basis of observations during a 1-year period. …
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Impact of urban heat island on regional atmospheric pollution​

C Sarrat, A Lemonsu, V Masson, D Guédalia - Atmospheric environment, 2006 - Elsevier
… The simulation indicates the formation of an urban heat island (UHI) over Paris which is
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The urban heat island: implications for health in a changing environment​

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… Attribution of mortality to the urban heat island during heatwaves in the West Midlands,
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Simulations of the London urban heat island​

SI Bohnenstengel, S Evans, PA Clark… - Quarterly Journal of …, 2011 - Wiley Online Library
… of the urban heat island (UHI) shown in various studies and demonstrate that the variation
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Intensity and form of the urban heat island in Barcelona​

MC Moreno‐garcia - International Journal of Climatology, 1994 - Wiley Online Library
… The methodology used in this study of an urban heat island was based in part on the popular
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Urban heat island in the subsurface​

G Ferguson, AD Woodbury - Geophysical research letters, 2007 - Wiley Online Library
… [1] The urban heat island effect has received significant attention in recent years due to the
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Three decades of urban heat islands and mitigation technologies research​

H Akbari, D Kolokotsa - Energy and buildings, 2016 - Elsevier
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Bottom line is -- most anywhere in the USA -- pick a date on the calendar and look at the variance year to year. Say we pick today 9 Sept, the variance just YEAR TO YEAR is in the range of +/-6 to 10 degrees FOR THAT DAY on the calendar. The GW signature rise in GMAST (Global Mean Surface Temperature) in your life is a small fraction of that.

The warming in GMAST is not calculated for a single day. You are either being foolish or disingenuous here, take your pick.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Except yours was a lie.

There is that. Not that you care, lies are all the rage these days.

Mine is confirmed by science.

Called data.

Your petition is signed by money grabbers who know it’s a scam so fly private jets and drive SUV’s.

 

[Flopper]

What exactly is "an alternative fuel" except hydrogen and nuclear which I would highly support? And with the ADMISSION of our lame Prez -- with the $600Bill that they tossed into wind/solar from the misnamed "Inflation Reduction Act" -- which Biden outright SAID was their equivalent of a "Green Raw Deal" pipedream, YOU should be more concerned right now about BIG WIND and BIG SOLAR than "big oil". Because THAT it is gonna be a clusterfuck of epic proportions contributing to the further demise of this country.

Alternative fuels are those derived from other source than petroleum which include wind, solar, nuclear, and hydrogen. Fear of nuclear and hydrogen has made wind and solar more acceptable. However, innovations in nuclear generation have improved both safety and reduced damage to the environment. Don’t know about hydrogen.

 

[EMH]

You think city "heat sinks" are warmer than surrounding land because they're
somehow absorbing heat from the surrounding area?

What's the mechanism?

The heat comes from the Sun. The greatest temperature effect of the Urban Heat is at sundown, when the Sun soaked pavement and bricks are warm and the grass and trees are not. Tokyo is the 10F data point, which is old, because Tokyo mandated plants on roofs etc. and it is no longer 10F warmer than surrounding undeveloped land. But the range is 10F, go from nature to Tokyo and it warms 10F. A sink can drain and a sink can absorb and hold.


The term Urban Heat Sink Effect was widely used 10 years ago, but Urban Heat Island is what is used now, so to speak the same language...

You win this one... for once, congrats!!!

 

[EMH]

The Co2 FRAUd knows all of its "warming" comes from Urban Heat. It knows there is no warming in the atmosphere or the oceans. That is why it squirts bleach into coral, and why it blames "global warming" for an 80F one time reading from one buoy in the Arctic Ocean ... never mind it was right over Gakkel Ridge, notorious for undersea volcanoes...

The Co2 FRAUD knows it is a fraud. It will never stop lying. The founders of the Co2 FRAUD, Mann Hansen Gore, were young participants in the Global Cooling fraud of the 1970s. There, they got to see the "Earth" temperature data, overwhelmingly from the surface of growing urban areas. They realized what was causing that warming, and that warming would continue as urban areas grow, and hence was a license to blame it on whatever would enrich them the most - demonizing fossil fuels and suing the companies.

Their big problem is that UHI is the ONLY warming, and the actual planet Earth is NOT WARMING, and that is why....

NO OCEAN RISE
NO BREAKOUT IN CANES
NO ONGOING NET ICE MELT


Every other claim of "warming" by the Co2 FRAUD is 100% pure FUDGE FRAUD.

 

[ReinyDays]

However, innovations in nuclear generation have improved both safety and reduced damage to the environment. Don’t know about hydrogen.

Actually ... we've known how to build safer nuclear power plants all along ... but they were more expensive ... and still are ... the only difference is now we have first-hand experience with how dangerous and unsafe the other designs are ...

Port St. Lucie ...