100,000 expected at Trump's Tulsa Rally--many have already arrived

[Carl in Michigan]

Meanwhile that Biden asshole is getting dozens listening to his podcast.

And most of them are media

 

[Flopper]

Three months of sitting at home, not being able to go anywhere, observing social distancing. In an industry that died March 16th and may or may not comeback in the fall and a bunch of ignorant assholes protesting and another bunch of assholes going to rally, while the numbers are spiking two weeks after the protests began. The masks didn’t work very well did they?

That's not evidence the masks don't work well. My state was only in its second week of phase 1 of the reopening, when the protests started. Same for most states, on memorial day, i believe. The spike we are seeing is from the reopening. Very predictable. Clearly, if there was actually a connection between specific protests and outbreaks, we would know. Just as we catch other outbreaks from events or at facilities. That arizona spike...what protest?

All the evidence shows the masks make a difference. No, your gut feelings aren't compelling. Mone, either.

You have no evidence that the protests caused a spike. Now, put them inside an arena without masks...and we all know what is going to happen.

So as long as we all wear masks the disease won’t spread at all? I say you are spewing BS. Then why did we lockdown at all.

Unless you have a N95 mask the mask don't mean jack squat.........most are wearing cloth masks......hell at work neck chaffs or whatever are being provided.............they don't stop jack squat.......2 microns is very very small..........they aren't designed to stop that.

Now they do one thing real good........Hold in Sweat real good.........so it's like waterboarding yourself with your own Sweat.............the people who make the rules don't have to do it.......they set rules then go back to their office with no mask and drink coffee.......pat themselves on their back and say what a good job they do.............LOL

Everyone in the field thinks they are idiots..........and we only wear them when their little spies are out.................We Call them Mask Nazi's............True story.

I wear a mask to protect you and you wear a mask to protect me. Trump folks don't like this idea. It sounds like communism.

That is your choice.......and not necessarily mine...........and at .2 microns you need a better mask .....or it is useless........it only stops the moisture and nothing more........

This virus will run it's course no matter what we do.........They always do and history doesn't lie.

You're right about .2 microns but what you're not considering is the virus is spread on droplets that are mostly far larger than .2 microns which means a simple bandanna will stop almost all the droplets. It's not 100% but neither is an N95 mask. An N95 mask is designed to eliminate 95% of the particle transfer. However, that only holds if the mask is properly fitted to the face. In a hospital environment masks are professionally fitted and since they loose protection rapidly when exposed to the virus and moisture, the CDC recommends they be changed every 4 hours. Thus for general public use an N95 mask is not necessary and not recommended because it provides very little additional protection and lot of false security.

I only go in buildings where people are wearing masks so I really don't need one but I wear one because I care about others plus I will get a lot of nasty looks.

 

[eagle1462010]

I don't know about '57, but 1968 was actually a year and a half of flu that killed 100,000 over the course of 16 months. We had lost that many in three to Covid. THAT is why the docs were imagining overflowing ER's and ICU's. Imagine what it would have been like if we hadn't forced people to stay home for a month or more? It has been bad enough.

The economic issue now is not going to end well.............and you protect the elderly and not those who can get it and not even know they had it.

It will run it's course.........we haven't stopped a dang thing. It will come back and keep coming back until enough have had it that it's growth rate is less than 1% on the planet............We have only delayed what it will do and destroyed our economy for it.

People will run out of unemployment and the extra money will be gone......and they will lose everything like in 2008.............Luckily I haven't seen as many for sale signs up yet as that time.......but it's coming..........

'This will not end well...........and has already screwed millions of Americans from the jobs............We SHOULD HAVE NEVER SHUT DOWN.......

And I use history for those 2 dates given..........I was only here for the second one.........but I do remember the measles and chicken pox.........my brother lost some vision from the measles.

 

[esalla]

As I predicted, the Tulsa rally has turned into a circus already, with 100,000 expected to arrive, between fans hoping for a seat and Trump protesters converging on Tulsa. 80,000 of them are going to be outside during the worst Covid spike Oklahoma has seen. People were already camping outside the arena on Thursday in order to get a good spot. The mayor has imposed a curfew from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. beginning last night in a 36 block area around the BOK Center. The campers outside are being moved out as well. The mayor said he has received information from the Tulsa Police Department and other law enforcement agencies "that shows that individuals from organized groups who have been involved in destructive or violent behavior in other states are planning to travel to the City of Tulsa for purposes of causing unrest in and around the rally."

Of course, Trump is loving it: “Big crowds and lines already forming in Tulsa,” Trump tweeted Friday morning, hours after the curfew went into effect.


He also issued this warning: "Any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes who are going to Oklahoma please understand, you will not be treated like you have been in New York, Seattle, or Minneapolis. It will be a much different scene!"

Trump supporters began lining up outside the BOK Center days in advance of the rally.

"Sacrificing a week of our lives is nothing for what Trump has done for us," Robin Stites, who arrived on Monday to secure the No. 2 place in line, told the The Oklahoman earlier this week.


Let's keep in mind, this largest gathering in Tulsa history is happening in the middle of the worst Covid outbreak Oklahoma has had so far.: 450 new positive cases reported since Wednesday. This is the largest increase since the state's first positive case was reported on March 6. The Trump campaign is not requiring masks. Someone took them to court to make them at least enforce that, but the decision is not made yet, apparently. The campaign at least has no wish to require the masks they are going to hand out be worn. From the pics I've seen of the folks waiting outside, most are not. And I'm guessing they're not having their temps taken or getting hand sanitizer from the campaign out there, either.

Maybe the police, with their headsup and no doubt with lots of help from the Secret Service, can keep this thing under control as far as violence, but none of them can do anything about the Germ. This is a super breeding ground of the Virus and it is dangerous to the people who attend and those they have contact with afterward. I cannot recall a President making a more irresponsible and ill thought out decision. This is clear mismanagement of Covid, and I hope I'm totally wrong about all of this, but it's not looking good.

‘Insensitive and isolated’: Rev. Sharpton slams Trump at Tulsa Juneteenth celebration - live updates

Al Sharpton said Juneteenth needed to be a federal holiday. He attended a Tulsa event ahead of Trump's visit to the city.

www.usatoday.com

Oklahoma sees highest single-day increase with 450 new coronavirus cases

The Oklahoma State Department of Health says there are now9,354 coronavirus cases in Oklahoma since the pandemic began. There were 450 new positive cases reported since Wednesday. This is the largest increase since the state's first positive case was reported on March 6. OSDH says there were...

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Covid can not even slow the heartbeat of America...........................

You can leave anytime

 

[esalla]

You're right about .2 microns but what you're not considering is the virus is spread on droplets that are mostly far larger than .2 microns which means a simple bandanna will stop almost all the droplets. It's not 100% but neither is an N95 mask. An N95 mask is designed to eliminate 95% of the particle transfer. However, that only holds if the mask is properly fitted to the face. In a hospital environment masks are professionally fitted and since they loose protection rapidly when exposed to the virus and moisture, the CDC recommends they be changed every 4 hours. Thus for general public use an N95 mask is not necessary and not recommended because it provides very little additional protection and lot of false security.

I only go in buildings where people are wearing masks so I really don't need one but I wear one because I care about others plus I will get a lot of nasty looks.

99.9 percent of covid patients do not even get sick

Wake up fool

 

[eagle1462010]

You're right about .2 microns but what you're not considering is the virus is spread on droplets that are mostly far larger than .2 microns which means a simple bandanna will stop almost all the droplets. It's not 100% but neither is an N95 mask. An N95 mask is designed to eliminate 95% of the particle transfer. However, that only holds if the mask is properly fitted to the face. In a hospital environment masks are professionally fitted and since they loose protection rapidly when exposed to the virus and moisture, the CDC recommends they be changed every 4 hours. Thus for general public use an N95 mask is not necessary and not recommended because it provides very little additional protection and lot of false security.

I only go in buildings where people are wearing masks so I really don't need one but I wear one because I care about others plus I will get a lot of nasty looks.

I already said that.........moisture...........it is NOT GOOD FOR YOU to work wearing a rag around your mouth.......and in regards to the spread..........it doesn't stop the very small particles.....only stops moisture as you stated and I'd already said.

Working outside in the sun.............it is USELESS..............and is HARMFUL......blocks your exhale and causes you to get carbon monoxide back..........that IS STUPID...........

We were all kinds of respirators at work from time to time........but they are professional masks or Fresh air systems to protect you from nasty stuff that can in some cases kill you with one smell of it......Most are just health hazards though.

 

[eagle1462010]

99.9 percent of covid patients do not even get sick

Wake up fool

They will no longer give a damn after November......just like they didn't care during the protests.

The rate of this virus is now know to be WAY SMALLER than the EXPERTS PREDICTED.......EXPERTS.........pffft.............they should be fired for incompetence.....like in the real world and not cushy career Federal jobs.

 

[esalla]

They will no longer give a damn after November......just like they didn't care during the protests.

The rate of this virus is now know to be WAY SMALLER than the EXPERTS PREDICTED.......EXPERTS.........pffft.............they should be fired for incompetence.....like in the real world and not cushy career Federal jobs.

Also the new infections that do end up in the hospital are not as bad because the disease is getting less dangerous as it mutates

 

[lantern2814]

This is not a protest. It is a political rally. Entertainment. It is not protected by the 1st Amendment the way protests are. The President of the United States INVITED tens of thousands of people to congregate in an area with a Covid spike.

Damn you’re stupid as well as a hypocrite. So Trump does not have first amendment rights? Fuck you you communist asshole. Protests? Try RIOTS and yes, blue state “leaders” are instructing tracers they many not ask if people have been at a protest. Can’t have those spikes attributed to the proper thing now can we? And it’s YOU and the rest of the lefties here that suck sewer water. Get it right.

 

[OldLady]

Okay, folks. I realize there is a Covid related issue in this thread, but it is not primarily a thread on whether we should have shut down or how effective masks are. There have been plenty of threads on this.

The point here is the President's decision to hold this rally where he did, when he did, and some of the related decisions -- such as handing out masks but saying they're "optional," such as getting the mayor of Tulsa to cancel the curfew -- that in a few hours we will see the fruit of.

It's all up to the people of Oklahoma now to show their quality. Let's hope for the best. If things go smoothly and there isn't a super hot spot in OK in 2-3 weeks, we won't have the President to thank for it.

 

[OldLady]

Damn you’re stupid as well as a hypocrite. So Trump does not have first amendment rights? Fuck you you communist asshole. Protests? Try RIOTS and yes, blue state “leaders” are instructing tracers they many not ask if people have been at a protest. Can’t have those spikes attributed to the proper thing now can we? And it’s YOU and the rest of the lefties here that suck sewer water. Get it right.

 

[lantern2814]

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So you respond by posting a selfie. Yes you are a crying lying bitch who can’t handle the truth. Tell us something we don’t know.

 

[eagle1462010]

Okay, folks. I realize there is a Covid related issue in this thread, but it is not primarily a thread on whether we should have shut down or how effective masks are. There have been plenty of threads on this.

The point here is the President's decision to hold this rally where he did, when he did, and some of the related decisions -- such as handing out masks but saying they're "optional," such as getting the mayor of Tulsa to cancel the curfew -- that in a few hours we will see the fruit of.

It's all up to the people of Oklahoma now to show their quality. Let's hope for the best. If things go smoothly and there isn't a super hot spot in OK in 2-3 weeks, we won't have the President to thank for it.

If those going are in the at risk group......which is minimal.....then they should take precautions....other than that the risk is small.......most don't even know it.......or don't even need to go to the Doctor.......

Sooner or later.........it will run it's course..........time to move on and restore our country........will more die of it............yup......more will die again from the Flu.......but you don't destroy the nation for it.......and WE HAVE DAMAGED THIS NATION GREATLY for this stinking virus.........

Soon the backlash will be jobs not coming back.........people losing homes.....and small businesses destroyed.............which is already happening.........I don't see the Media caring about that.......just like they didn't care too much during the riots..

They only care about this because it's Trump and nothing more..........PRAVDA and crying wolf on a Nation that no longer cares.

In case you didn't notice............before the riots.........most of the massive protests against the lockdowns were against............DNC controlled areas and Dem leaders........they were turning on the politicians over DRACONIAN RULES..........to the point of stupidity............DON'T CUT YOUR LAWN..

Who the hell hired people that say it's unsafe to cut your lawn.........LOL..

 

[Flopper]

0.26% is the rate from the CDC now............initially 2% and the WHO 3 to 4%.........They weren't even close.

You don't destroy the economy for this........and you can't stop it from coming back.....it will run it's course the same as the Common Cold and Flu do every single year...........All you have done is postponed the match...........

Countries like Sweden will be better off come the Fall.........the U.S..............not so much.

Postponing deaths till we get better treatments and a vaccine is what it's all about, so maybe we just end up with half million deaths instead of 5 million. Before modern medicine, the only option was just to let the epidemic run it's course until it couldn't find anyone left to infect. We've moved past those days.

 

[eagle1462010]

Postponing deaths till we get better treatments and a vaccine is what it's all about, so maybe we just end up with half million deaths instead of 5 million. Before modern medicine, the only option was just to let the epidemic run it's course until it couldn't find anyone left to infect. We've moved past those days.

Now you are just plain FEAR MONGERING........5 MILLION DEATHS...........

That is what WHO did up front........and they weren't even close to being right....neither was the CDC.....I argued those numbers early on and used the ship and South Korea data early on.........0.8 to 1% and hell my best guess with known data was way too dang high.

The virus mutates.......vaccine not likely...so it runs its course............and the destruction to millions is just starting to rear it's ugly head.

 

[Flopper]

99.9 percent of covid patients do not even get sick

Wake up fool

Link

 

[eagle1462010]

Flopper ............I'm texting to a guy...........jam the hell up tubing hand.........who is asking me about work............He hasn't been called back...........

Now he's good enough to work anywhere............He knows his shit........very good.......HE LOST HIS JOB.........We don't have the work now to bring him back.

Now you tell me what to tell him when the unemployment runs out........and how it's for his own good if he loses his house.

Splain that....for me then repeat about 100 times for all those who lost their jobs with our company.....

hmm.........what do I tell him...........huh

 

[Flopper]

Now you are just plain FEAR MONGERING........5 MILLION DEATHS...........

That is what WHO did up front........and they weren't even close to being right....neither was the CDC.....I argued those numbers early on and used the ship and South Korea data early on.........0.8 to 1% and hell my best guess with known data was way too dang high.

The virus mutates.......vaccine not likely...so it runs its course............and the destruction to millions is just starting to rear it's ugly head.

Now you are just plain FEAR MONGERING........5 MILLION DEATHS...........

That is what WHO did up front........and they weren't even close to being right....neither was the CDC.....I argued those numbers early on and used the ship and South Korea data early on.........0.8 to 1% and hell my best guess with known data was way too dang high.

The virus mutates.......vaccine not likely...so it runs its course............and the destruction to millions is just starting to rear it's ugly head.

The 5 million is if we did nothing and let the virus run it's course and we reach herd immunity which is estimated at about 70% infection rate. No one but fools are recommending this course of action.

 

[eagle1462010]

The 5 million is if we did nothing and let the virus run it's course and we reach herd immunity which is estimated at about 70% infection rate. No one but fools are recommending this course of action.

Baloney............Fauci was wrong as hell...........and he said 2 to 2.5 million people..............and at 0.2% actual rate............that is WAY OFF..............

Hell when I said 0.8% to 1% on these boards the liberal Nutcases here SAID HOW DARE YOU .........LOL

I was way too dang hig.....and you ARE OFF THE CHARTS...........

Stop with your dang Fear Mongering..........Americans aren't in the mood for it anymore...which is why they hyped the riots.........get attention off of this.

 

[Flash]

Okay, folks. I realize there is a Covid related issue in this thread, but it is not primarily a thread on whether we should have shut down or how effective masks are. There have been plenty of threads on this.

The point here is the President's decision to hold this rally where he did, when he did, and some of the related decisions -- such as handing out masks but saying they're "optional," such as getting the mayor of Tulsa to cancel the curfew -- that in a few hours we will see the fruit of.

It's all up to the people of Oklahoma now to show their quality. Let's hope for the best. If things go smoothly and there isn't a super hot spot in OK in 2-3 weeks, we won't have the President to thank for it.

Its called Liberty, Vern.

If you feel you are at risk then don't go. If you go then you are accepting responsibility for your own actions.

Concern of the virus sure as hell is not stopping the filthy ass anti Trump protesters that are congregating outside the venue, is it?