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No "right" exists without responsibility on the part of the holder. The irresponsible do not have rights. The responsible have the obligation of aiding the irresponsible, as well as the 'right' to protect themselves form irresponsible acts.You obviously haven't read the thread. That's okay. It was someone else's idea. I am 100% behind the obvious solution of treating mental illness and making it harder for a mentally ill person with homicidal ideation to keep wandering the community unsupervised and untreated, as is his "right."I was talking about a metal detector being a solution at bars.That was the same way the Pulse nightclub shooter entered, btw.
The Pulse shooter was an islamonazi soldier for allah. Not really a domestic situation at all, which was unaffected by domestic laws.
Apparently the Mullahs chose Pulse because they hated America and our freedoms.
Or how about we actually treat mental illness
I feel for veterans who come home torn up psychologically. A lot of people go into the service for the career and educational opportunities they offer, and some just to get a JOB.
Send them off to pointless, unnecessary wars, they witness horrible atrocities and come home broken. We don't give them proper treatment and then are shocked when they crack.
11:15 p.m. last night. Twelve dead, and they are still counting. Dead include the gunman, who went into a local Country-Western bar & grill having it's weekly College Night and began by shooting the security guard and cashier, then entered and began spraying bullets at college students with his rapid fire gun. Twelve dead include one of the first deputies on the scene.
Thousand Oaks is considered one of the safest communities in the country. Just like Parkland was.
People, it is time we stopped talking and started doing something about this. It is beyond ridiculous that we are no longer safe to go grocery shopping, pray in our church, go to yoga class, or to a bar to dance. Or to work. Or to school.
Something has to be done to stop this. Not just talk this time. It is time to actually do something. January approaches. Make sure your legislators know what you think will help make this country SAFE AGAIN.
Prayers out to the wounded and surviving family members.
That said, OL, ma'am tens and tens of millions of us will never experience the absolutely pointless, horrible loss of life in person of a mass shooting. Period. This is how terrorism works. Terrorists use one violent event to terrify millions of other FREE people into giving up some hallowed, vital aspect of their freedom. Goddamned terrible as this act of cowardly violence is, we American free men and women must NEVER allow terrorists to frighten us out of our freedoms—out of what makes us American and free.
If he was Black they would have planted some crack on him and he would already be in prison. They need to start doing the same to white males.Another mass shooter known to authorities. Obviously we cannot trust the authorities.
Sadly, it was our Republican governor and legislature (in OUR state) that made sure health benefits were cut.Don’t go there, Old Lady. It is a problem, both left and right. Trying to blame one side is ridiculous. I could just as easily state that the lefts policies are responsible, but won’t, because it is a problem with all govt.Our Sheriff calls our local jail the detox center. And it is. When I was in social work, the waiting list for a substance abuse counselor was months long. The wait to become a suboxone patient was months long, as well. I hope that has gotten better, but it isn't likely with all the cuts to mental health funding that have been enacted by the Republicans over the past eight years here. Fortunately, we just did a clean sweep and got them outta here.Incarcerated? Getting a mental health hold on those that are known to be a danger is next to impossible in this country. In a hospital, not a jail cell, where so many end up.------------------------------------ because Americans can't be forced to be incarecerated or forced to take their meds unless they are incarcerated after breaking the law Depotoo ,Pismoe, why do you find my comment funny?
-------------------------------- i say similar about lots of USA Volunteer military and people get mad at me OldLady .You obviously haven't read the thread. That's okay. It was someone else's idea. I am 100% behind the obvious solution of treating mental illness and making it harder for a mentally ill person with homicidal ideation to keep wandering the community unsupervised and untreated, as is his "right."I was talking about a metal detector being a solution at bars.That was the same way the Pulse nightclub shooter entered, btw.
The Pulse shooter was an islamonazi soldier for allah. Not really a domestic situation at all, which was unaffected by domestic laws.
Apparently the Mullahs chose Pulse because they hated America and our freedoms.
Or how about we actually treat mental illness
I feel for veterans who come home torn up psychologically. A lot of people go into the service for the career and educational opportunities they offer, and some just to get a JOB.
------------------------------------------------- lotta good those overvalued so called expert mental health doktors did eh Dpotoo ??They called out mental health specialists to his home in April. He had had previous police encounters displaying his anger issues.-------------------------------------------- go ahead but why is it assumed that this former 'marine' guy was mentally ill ?? The muslim shooter at PULSE or the muslim husband and wife shooting team at 'san berdoo' were not mentally ill were they ??I was talking about a metal detector being a solution at bars.The Pulse shooter was an islamonazi soldier for allah. Not really a domestic situation at all, which was unaffected by domestic laws.
Apparently the Mullahs chose Pulse because they hated America and our freedoms.
Or how about we actually treat mental illness
Other developed countries lose lives to firearm homicides at a fraction of the rate of the US. You would save multiple lives. But FREEDUMB!Well....if it saves only one life...right?
Has any white man not smoked meth or raped a dog? Besides what does that have to do with the OP about yet another white male shooter?If he was Black they would have planted some crack on him and he would already be in prison. They need to start doing the same to white males.Another mass shooter known to authorities. Obviously we cannot trust the authorities.
Has any black man not smoked crack?
I predict this won't be the last time.For the last gotdamn time, this country has got to come to grips with white men and mass murder. While this country falls prey to Trumps fears of Muslims, illegals and nigga's...white men are becoming America's worst fuckin nightmare. These men, all of them give signs of aggression and every single time, its over looked and placed on the back burner, because white men are just going through a bad day, their having mental issues, the eternal white man's burden.....Its time to seriously profile white men in this country or expect this shit to continue...treat these mf's like you treat a nigga with skittles in his hands.
Laws are for the law abiding.
How do Dimms not get this?
Murder is already fucking illegal.
Obama sold guns to Mexican drug cartels that were used against our very own DEA agents.
Guns aren’t going anywhere.
Sadly, it was our Republican governor and legislature (in OUR state) that made sure health benefits were cut.Don’t go there, Old Lady. It is a problem, both left and right. Trying to blame one side is ridiculous. I could just as easily state that the lefts policies are responsible, but won’t, because it is a problem with all govt.Our Sheriff calls our local jail the detox center. And it is. When I was in social work, the waiting list for a substance abuse counselor was months long. The wait to become a suboxone patient was months long, as well. I hope that has gotten better, but it isn't likely with all the cuts to mental health funding that have been enacted by the Republicans over the past eight years here. Fortunately, we just did a clean sweep and got them outta here.Incarcerated? Getting a mental health hold on those that are known to be a danger is next to impossible in this country. In a hospital, not a jail cell, where so many end up.------------------------------------ because Americans can't be forced to be incarecerated or forced to take their meds unless they are incarcerated after breaking the law Depotoo ,Pismoe, why do you find my comment funny?
That are fractions of the firearm homicide rate of the US. Like 20 or 30 times less. You are a raving loony.You mean like in Britain...an island...where gun crime is going up...42% in London alone, 23% across England and Wales...? How about Australia...another island....with increasing gun crime.....
------------------------------------------------- GOOD , last thing i'd want to do is pay money to head or mental health doktors , social workers and other silly experts that speculate and guess as they waste time to stay on the gravy train and act important OldLady .Sadly, it was our Republican governor and legislature (in OUR state) that made sure health benefits were cut.Don’t go there, Old Lady. It is a problem, both left and right. Trying to blame one side is ridiculous. I could just as easily state that the lefts policies are responsible, but won’t, because it is a problem with all govt.Our Sheriff calls our local jail the detox center. And it is. When I was in social work, the waiting list for a substance abuse counselor was months long. The wait to become a suboxone patient was months long, as well. I hope that has gotten better, but it isn't likely with all the cuts to mental health funding that have been enacted by the Republicans over the past eight years here. Fortunately, we just did a clean sweep and got them outta here.Incarcerated? Getting a mental health hold on those that are known to be a danger is next to impossible in this country. In a hospital, not a jail cell, where so many end up.------------------------------------ because Americans can't be forced to be incarecerated or forced to take their meds unless they are incarcerated after breaking the law Depotoo ,Pismoe, why do you find my comment funny?
America is a powder keg, for sure. Too much hate for one another. Sadly, it seems fueled from the top down.
How come the other developed nations don't suffer the same mass shooting and firearm homicide rates as the US? Because they require strict licensing procedures and severely regulate handguns and assault style rifles. So yes, they filter out most of the people who will use a gun like that shooter. It's not rocket science, unless one is committed to FREEDUMB!Got a way to tell which people will use a gun like that shooter did??
Laws are for the law abiding.
How do Dimms not get this?
Murder is already fucking illegal.
Obama sold guns to Mexican drug cartels that were used against our very own DEA agents.
Guns aren’t going anywhere.
Are you sure murder is illegal in California? Maybe this is just an area of law that they didn't pay attention too.....? I mean, if it was already against the law to commit murder in California, why did the guy break the law?
