260,000 Veterans Have Lost Their Gun Rights Since December

[JimBowie1958]

so you want more guns in the hands of the mentally deficient?

The ATFE already has plenty of guns, what the hell are you talking about, Stooge?

 

[ogibillm]

gee, wikipedia didn't give you all the information? imagine that!
38 CFR 3.353 - Determinations of incompetency and competency.

From your own damned source, jack ass.

§ 3.353Determinations of incompetency and competency.
(a)Definition of mental incompetency. A mentally incompetent person is one who because of injury or disease lacks the mental capacity to contract or to manage his or her own affairs, including disbursement of funds without limitation.
Rating agencies have sole authority to make official determinations of competency and incompetency for purposes of: insurance (38 U.S.C. 1922), and, subject to §13.56 of this chapter, disbursement of benefits. Such determinations are final and binding on field stations for these purposes.

13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.
3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.
Where the beneficiary is rated incompetent, the Veterans Service Center Manager will develop information as to the beneficiary's social, economic and industrial adjustment; appoint (or recommend appointment of) a fiduciary as provided in § 13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.

If in the course of fulfilling the responsibilities assigned in paragraph (b)(2) the Veterans Service Center Manager develops evidence indicating that the beneficiary may be capable of administering the funds payable without limitation, he or she will refer that evidence to the rating agency with a statement as to his or her findings. The rating agency will consider this evidence, together with all other evidence of record, to determine whether its prior determination of incompetency should remain in effect. Reexamination may be requested as provided in § 3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.


The VA only has authority to rate veterans on their ability to handle and receive funds from the VA, and nothing else.

which means they have the legal authority to determine competency.

 

[ogibillm]

gee, wikipedia didn't give you all the information? imagine that!
38 CFR 3.353 - Determinations of incompetency and competency.

From your own damned source, jack ass.

§ 3.353Determinations of incompetency and competency.
(a)Definition of mental incompetency. A mentally incompetent person is one who because of injury or disease lacks the mental capacity to contract or to manage his or her own affairs, including disbursement of funds without limitation.
Rating agencies have sole authority to make official determinations of competency and incompetency for purposes of: insurance (38 U.S.C. 1922), and, subject to §13.56 of this chapter, disbursement of benefits. Such determinations are final and binding on field stations for these purposes.

13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.
3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.
Where the beneficiary is rated incompetent, the Veterans Service Center Manager will develop information as to the beneficiary's social, economic and industrial adjustment; appoint (or recommend appointment of) a fiduciary as provided in § 13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.

If in the course of fulfilling the responsibilities assigned in paragraph (b)(2) the Veterans Service Center Manager develops evidence indicating that the beneficiary may be capable of administering the funds payable without limitation, he or she will refer that evidence to the rating agency with a statement as to his or her findings. The rating agency will consider this evidence, together with all other evidence of record, to determine whether its prior determination of incompetency should remain in effect. Reexamination may be requested as provided in § 3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.


The VA only has authority to rate veterans on their ability to handle and receive funds from the VA, and nothing else.

which means they have the legal authority to determine competency.

again, it's not the va saying they can't own or buy guns, it's the 1968 gun control act

 

[JimBowie1958]

gee, wikipedia didn't give you all the information? imagine that!
38 CFR 3.353 - Determinations of incompetency and competency.

From your own damned source, jack ass.

§ 3.353Determinations of incompetency and competency.
(a)Definition of mental incompetency. A mentally incompetent person is one who because of injury or disease lacks the mental capacity to contract or to manage his or her own affairs, including disbursement of funds without limitation.
Rating agencies have sole authority to make official determinations of competency and incompetency for purposes of: insurance (38 U.S.C. 1922), and, subject to §13.56 of this chapter, disbursement of benefits. Such determinations are final and binding on field stations for these purposes.

13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.
3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.
Where the beneficiary is rated incompetent, the Veterans Service Center Manager will develop information as to the beneficiary's social, economic and industrial adjustment; appoint (or recommend appointment of) a fiduciary as provided in § 13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.

If in the course of fulfilling the responsibilities assigned in paragraph (b)(2) the Veterans Service Center Manager develops evidence indicating that the beneficiary may be capable of administering the funds payable without limitation, he or she will refer that evidence to the rating agency with a statement as to his or her findings. The rating agency will consider this evidence, together with all other evidence of record, to determine whether its prior determination of incompetency should remain in effect. Reexamination may be requested as provided in § 3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.


The VA only has authority to rate veterans on their ability to handle and receive funds from the VA, and nothing else.

which means they have the legal authority to determine competency.

to recieve their funds, nothing else, which is the whole point of the thread. The Obama regime is abusing the authority of the VA.

 

[JimBowie1958]

gee, wikipedia didn't give you all the information? imagine that!
38 CFR 3.353 - Determinations of incompetency and competency.

From your own damned source, jack ass.

§ 3.353Determinations of incompetency and competency.
(a)Definition of mental incompetency. A mentally incompetent person is one who because of injury or disease lacks the mental capacity to contract or to manage his or her own affairs, including disbursement of funds without limitation.
Rating agencies have sole authority to make official determinations of competency and incompetency for purposes of: insurance (38 U.S.C. 1922), and, subject to §13.56 of this chapter, disbursement of benefits. Such determinations are final and binding on field stations for these purposes.

13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.
3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.
Where the beneficiary is rated incompetent, the Veterans Service Center Manager will develop information as to the beneficiary's social, economic and industrial adjustment; appoint (or recommend appointment of) a fiduciary as provided in § 13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.

If in the course of fulfilling the responsibilities assigned in paragraph (b)(2) the Veterans Service Center Manager develops evidence indicating that the beneficiary may be capable of administering the funds payable without limitation, he or she will refer that evidence to the rating agency with a statement as to his or her findings. The rating agency will consider this evidence, together with all other evidence of record, to determine whether its prior determination of incompetency should remain in effect. Reexamination may be requested as provided in § 3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.


The VA only has authority to rate veterans on their ability to handle and receive funds from the VA, and nothing else.

which means they have the legal authority to determine competency.

again, it's not the va saying they can't own or buy guns, it's the 1968 gun control act

Being able to manage VA disbursements has nothing to do with the 1968 Gun Control Act and even if it did, ignore it, repeal it and burn it to the ground.

 

[Obiwan]

gee, wikipedia didn't give you all the information? imagine that!
38 CFR 3.353 - Determinations of incompetency and competency.

From your own damned source, jack ass.

§ 3.353Determinations of incompetency and competency.
(a)Definition of mental incompetency. A mentally incompetent person is one who because of injury or disease lacks the mental capacity to contract or to manage his or her own affairs, including disbursement of funds without limitation.
Rating agencies have sole authority to make official determinations of competency and incompetency for purposes of: insurance (38 U.S.C. 1922), and, subject to §13.56 of this chapter, disbursement of benefits. Such determinations are final and binding on field stations for these purposes.

13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.
3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.
Where the beneficiary is rated incompetent, the Veterans Service Center Manager will develop information as to the beneficiary's social, economic and industrial adjustment; appoint (or recommend appointment of) a fiduciary as provided in § 13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.

If in the course of fulfilling the responsibilities assigned in paragraph (b)(2) the Veterans Service Center Manager develops evidence indicating that the beneficiary may be capable of administering the funds payable without limitation, he or she will refer that evidence to the rating agency with a statement as to his or her findings. The rating agency will consider this evidence, together with all other evidence of record, to determine whether its prior determination of incompetency should remain in effect. Reexamination may be requested as provided in § 3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.


The VA only has authority to rate veterans on their ability to handle and receive funds from the VA, and nothing else.

which means they have the legal authority to determine competency.

For who they disburse funds to!!!

Are you really so retarded you can't read your own links???

You've posted NOTHING that states the VA has the right to make a legal determination of competency THAT WOULD AFFECT VETERANS' CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS... INCLUDING DETERMINATIONS THAT WOULD DENY SAID RIGHTS....

Those decisions are reserved for the COURTS, Dumbass!!!!!

 

[ogibillm]

gee, wikipedia didn't give you all the information? imagine that!
38 CFR 3.353 - Determinations of incompetency and competency.

From your own damned source, jack ass.

§ 3.353Determinations of incompetency and competency.
(a)Definition of mental incompetency. A mentally incompetent person is one who because of injury or disease lacks the mental capacity to contract or to manage his or her own affairs, including disbursement of funds without limitation.
Rating agencies have sole authority to make official determinations of competency and incompetency for purposes of: insurance (38 U.S.C. 1922), and, subject to §13.56 of this chapter, disbursement of benefits. Such determinations are final and binding on field stations for these purposes.

13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.
3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.
Where the beneficiary is rated incompetent, the Veterans Service Center Manager will develop information as to the beneficiary's social, economic and industrial adjustment; appoint (or recommend appointment of) a fiduciary as provided in § 13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.

If in the course of fulfilling the responsibilities assigned in paragraph (b)(2) the Veterans Service Center Manager develops evidence indicating that the beneficiary may be capable of administering the funds payable without limitation, he or she will refer that evidence to the rating agency with a statement as to his or her findings. The rating agency will consider this evidence, together with all other evidence of record, to determine whether its prior determination of incompetency should remain in effect. Reexamination may be requested as provided in § 3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.


The VA only has authority to rate veterans on their ability to handle and receive funds from the VA, and nothing else.

which means they have the legal authority to determine competency.

to recieve their funds, nothing else, which is the whole point of the thread. The Obama regime is abusing the authority of the VA.

first, the va has been reporting this since 1998. obama has nothing to do with it.

second, the va is only able to determine competency for benefits, but the 1968 gca says that determination of mental deficiency means they can't own or buy guns.

 

[JimBowie1958]

first, the va has been reporting this since 1998. obama has nothing to do with it.

second, the va is only able to determine competency for benefits, but the 1968 gca says that determination of mental deficiency means they can't own or buy guns.

lol, of course the VA has been around awhile but no one is arguing that. it is being asserted that OBama using the VA's competency rulings as a tool for ruling on general mental health is an abuse of the VAs authority and scope of its authority.

The VA determining that you cannot manage your finances well enough to be reliable and minimize their time spent sending you disbursements is not the criteria for determining mental health for gun ownership.

That should be obvious to anyone, even a libtard.

 

[Obiwan]

gee, wikipedia didn't give you all the information? imagine that!
38 CFR 3.353 - Determinations of incompetency and competency.

From your own damned source, jack ass.

§ 3.353Determinations of incompetency and competency.
(a)Definition of mental incompetency. A mentally incompetent person is one who because of injury or disease lacks the mental capacity to contract or to manage his or her own affairs, including disbursement of funds without limitation.
Rating agencies have sole authority to make official determinations of competency and incompetency for purposes of: insurance (38 U.S.C. 1922), and, subject to §13.56 of this chapter, disbursement of benefits. Such determinations are final and binding on field stations for these purposes.

13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.
3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.
Where the beneficiary is rated incompetent, the Veterans Service Center Manager will develop information as to the beneficiary's social, economic and industrial adjustment; appoint (or recommend appointment of) a fiduciary as provided in § 13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.

If in the course of fulfilling the responsibilities assigned in paragraph (b)(2) the Veterans Service Center Manager develops evidence indicating that the beneficiary may be capable of administering the funds payable without limitation, he or she will refer that evidence to the rating agency with a statement as to his or her findings. The rating agency will consider this evidence, together with all other evidence of record, to determine whether its prior determination of incompetency should remain in effect. Reexamination may be requested as provided in § 3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.


The VA only has authority to rate veterans on their ability to handle and receive funds from the VA, and nothing else.

which means they have the legal authority to determine competency.

to recieve their funds, nothing else, which is the whole point of the thread. The Obama regime is abusing the authority of the VA.

first, the va has been reporting this since 1998. obama has nothing to do with it.

second, the va is only able to determine competency for benefits, but the 1968 gca says that determination of mental deficiency means they can't own or buy guns.

Please post the EXACT LINK that states the VA (which is set up SOLELY to provide supportive services to veterans) has the authority to make a legal determination of competency THAT DENIES CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND IS RESERVED FOR THE COURTS....

Otherwise, the VA is nothing more than one of God knows how many WITNESSES in a competency hearing (and NOT the adjudicating authority)!!!!!

 

[ogibillm]

gee, wikipedia didn't give you all the information? imagine that!
38 CFR 3.353 - Determinations of incompetency and competency.

From your own damned source, jack ass.

§ 3.353Determinations of incompetency and competency.
(a)Definition of mental incompetency. A mentally incompetent person is one who because of injury or disease lacks the mental capacity to contract or to manage his or her own affairs, including disbursement of funds without limitation.
Rating agencies have sole authority to make official determinations of competency and incompetency for purposes of: insurance (38 U.S.C. 1922), and, subject to §13.56 of this chapter, disbursement of benefits. Such determinations are final and binding on field stations for these purposes.

13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.
3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.
Where the beneficiary is rated incompetent, the Veterans Service Center Manager will develop information as to the beneficiary's social, economic and industrial adjustment; appoint (or recommend appointment of) a fiduciary as provided in § 13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.

If in the course of fulfilling the responsibilities assigned in paragraph (b)(2) the Veterans Service Center Manager develops evidence indicating that the beneficiary may be capable of administering the funds payable without limitation, he or she will refer that evidence to the rating agency with a statement as to his or her findings. The rating agency will consider this evidence, together with all other evidence of record, to determine whether its prior determination of incompetency should remain in effect. Reexamination may be requested as provided in § 3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.


The VA only has authority to rate veterans on their ability to handle and receive funds from the VA, and nothing else.

which means they have the legal authority to determine competency.

For who they disburse funds to!!!

Are you really so retarded you can't read your own links???

You've posted NOTHING that states the VA has the right to make a legal determination of competency THAT WOULD AFFECT VETERANS' CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS... INCLUDING DETERMINATIONS THAT WOULD DENY SAID RIGHTS....

Those decisions are reserved for the COURTS, Dumbass!!!!!

i read and understand my links. you don't appear capable of following them.

but hey, don't take my word for it
Senate Report 113-86 - VETERANS SECOND AMENDMENT PROTECTION ACT

so that means that Senators Saxby Chambliss, Mike Crapo, Michael B. Enzi, James M. Inhofe, James
E. Risch, Pat Roberts, John Thune, David Vitter, Roger F. Wicker, Thad Cochran, Jeff Sessions,
John Boozman, and Jerry Moran all believe that the VA has the authority to deem someone mentally deficient, and that when they do that determination means they can't own or buy a gun.

now, do you think you know more than all of those senators and their staff? you're the expert and they (and I) are wrong?

 

[ogibillm]

first, the va has been reporting this since 1998. obama has nothing to do with it.

second, the va is only able to determine competency for benefits, but the 1968 gca says that determination of mental deficiency means they can't own or buy guns.

lol, of course the VA has been around awhile but no one is arguing that. it is being asserted that OBama using the VA's competency rulings as a tool for ruling on general mental health is an abuse of the VAs authority and scope of its authority.

again, this reporting has been going on since 1998. in case you were wondering, that's before obama became the president.

The VA determining that you cannot manage your finances well enough to be reliable and minimize their time spent sending you disbursements is not the criteria for determining mental health for gun ownership.

That should be obvious to anyone, even a libtard.

that is the way you feel. the law says otherwise.

 

[Obiwan]

gee, wikipedia didn't give you all the information? imagine that!
38 CFR 3.353 - Determinations of incompetency and competency.

From your own damned source, jack ass.

§ 3.353Determinations of incompetency and competency.
(a)Definition of mental incompetency. A mentally incompetent person is one who because of injury or disease lacks the mental capacity to contract or to manage his or her own affairs, including disbursement of funds without limitation.
Rating agencies have sole authority to make official determinations of competency and incompetency for purposes of: insurance (38 U.S.C. 1922), and, subject to §13.56 of this chapter, disbursement of benefits. Such determinations are final and binding on field stations for these purposes.

13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.
3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.
Where the beneficiary is rated incompetent, the Veterans Service Center Manager will develop information as to the beneficiary's social, economic and industrial adjustment; appoint (or recommend appointment of) a fiduciary as provided in § 13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.

If in the course of fulfilling the responsibilities assigned in paragraph (b)(2) the Veterans Service Center Manager develops evidence indicating that the beneficiary may be capable of administering the funds payable without limitation, he or she will refer that evidence to the rating agency with a statement as to his or her findings. The rating agency will consider this evidence, together with all other evidence of record, to determine whether its prior determination of incompetency should remain in effect. Reexamination may be requested as provided in § 3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.


The VA only has authority to rate veterans on their ability to handle and receive funds from the VA, and nothing else.

which means they have the legal authority to determine competency.

to recieve their funds, nothing else, which is the whole point of the thread. The Obama regime is abusing the authority of the VA.

first, the va has been reporting this since 1998. obama has nothing to do with it.

second, the va is only able to determine competency for benefits, but the 1968 gca says that determination of mental deficiency means they can't own or buy guns.

So why didn't the VA do that for 30 YEARS after the law passed in 1968????

Could it be that they KNEW they weren't the adjudicating authority, until they finally exceeded THEIR authority????

 

[ogibillm]

gee, wikipedia didn't give you all the information? imagine that!
38 CFR 3.353 - Determinations of incompetency and competency.

From your own damned source, jack ass.

§ 3.353Determinations of incompetency and competency.
(a)Definition of mental incompetency. A mentally incompetent person is one who because of injury or disease lacks the mental capacity to contract or to manage his or her own affairs, including disbursement of funds without limitation.
Rating agencies have sole authority to make official determinations of competency and incompetency for purposes of: insurance (38 U.S.C. 1922), and, subject to §13.56 of this chapter, disbursement of benefits. Such determinations are final and binding on field stations for these purposes.

13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.
3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.
Where the beneficiary is rated incompetent, the Veterans Service Center Manager will develop information as to the beneficiary's social, economic and industrial adjustment; appoint (or recommend appointment of) a fiduciary as provided in § 13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.

If in the course of fulfilling the responsibilities assigned in paragraph (b)(2) the Veterans Service Center Manager develops evidence indicating that the beneficiary may be capable of administering the funds payable without limitation, he or she will refer that evidence to the rating agency with a statement as to his or her findings. The rating agency will consider this evidence, together with all other evidence of record, to determine whether its prior determination of incompetency should remain in effect. Reexamination may be requested as provided in § 3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.


The VA only has authority to rate veterans on their ability to handle and receive funds from the VA, and nothing else.

which means they have the legal authority to determine competency.

to recieve their funds, nothing else, which is the whole point of the thread. The Obama regime is abusing the authority of the VA.

first, the va has been reporting this since 1998. obama has nothing to do with it.

second, the va is only able to determine competency for benefits, but the 1968 gca says that determination of mental deficiency means they can't own or buy guns.

Please post the EXACT LINK that states the VA (which is set up SOLELY to provide supportive services to veterans) has the authority to make a legal determination of competency THAT DENIES CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS AND IS RESERVED FOR THE COURTS....

Otherwise, the VA is nothing more than one of God knows how many WITNESSES in a competency hearing (and NOT the adjudicating authority)!!!!!

i've given you the law and the definitions. you choose to ignore it.

the facts, and the law, are on my side, not yours.

 

[JimBowie1958]

gee, wikipedia didn't give you all the information? imagine that!
38 CFR 3.353 - Determinations of incompetency and competency.

From your own damned source, jack ass.

§ 3.353Determinations of incompetency and competency.
(a)Definition of mental incompetency. A mentally incompetent person is one who because of injury or disease lacks the mental capacity to contract or to manage his or her own affairs, including disbursement of funds without limitation.
Rating agencies have sole authority to make official determinations of competency and incompetency for purposes of: insurance (38 U.S.C. 1922), and, subject to §13.56 of this chapter, disbursement of benefits. Such determinations are final and binding on field stations for these purposes.

13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.
3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.
Where the beneficiary is rated incompetent, the Veterans Service Center Manager will develop information as to the beneficiary's social, economic and industrial adjustment; appoint (or recommend appointment of) a fiduciary as provided in § 13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.

If in the course of fulfilling the responsibilities assigned in paragraph (b)(2) the Veterans Service Center Manager develops evidence indicating that the beneficiary may be capable of administering the funds payable without limitation, he or she will refer that evidence to the rating agency with a statement as to his or her findings. The rating agency will consider this evidence, together with all other evidence of record, to determine whether its prior determination of incompetency should remain in effect. Reexamination may be requested as provided in § 3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.


The VA only has authority to rate veterans on their ability to handle and receive funds from the VA, and nothing else.

which means they have the legal authority to determine competency.

For who they disburse funds to!!!

Are you really so retarded you can't read your own links???

You've posted NOTHING that states the VA has the right to make a legal determination of competency THAT WOULD AFFECT VETERANS' CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS... INCLUDING DETERMINATIONS THAT WOULD DENY SAID RIGHTS....

Those decisions are reserved for the COURTS, Dumbass!!!!!

i read and understand my links. you don't appear capable of following them.

but hey, don't take my word for it
Senate Report 113-86 - VETERANS SECOND AMENDMENT PROTECTION ACT

so that means that Senators Saxby Chambliss, Mike Crapo, Michael B. Enzi, James M. Inhofe, James
E. Risch, Pat Roberts, John Thune, David Vitter, Roger F. Wicker, Thad Cochran, Jeff Sessions,
John Boozman, and Jerry Moran all believe that the VA has the authority to deem someone mentally deficient, and that when they do that determination means they can't own or buy a gun.

now, do you think you know more than all of those senators and their staff? you're the expert and they (and I) are wrong?

Lol, no, they just know that Obama is uncontrollable fascist. Thats all.

 

[ogibillm]

gee, wikipedia didn't give you all the information? imagine that!
38 CFR 3.353 - Determinations of incompetency and competency.

From your own damned source, jack ass.

§ 3.353Determinations of incompetency and competency.
(a)Definition of mental incompetency. A mentally incompetent person is one who because of injury or disease lacks the mental capacity to contract or to manage his or her own affairs, including disbursement of funds without limitation.
Rating agencies have sole authority to make official determinations of competency and incompetency for purposes of: insurance (38 U.S.C. 1922), and, subject to §13.56 of this chapter, disbursement of benefits. Such determinations are final and binding on field stations for these purposes.

13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.
3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.
Where the beneficiary is rated incompetent, the Veterans Service Center Manager will develop information as to the beneficiary's social, economic and industrial adjustment; appoint (or recommend appointment of) a fiduciary as provided in § 13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.

If in the course of fulfilling the responsibilities assigned in paragraph (b)(2) the Veterans Service Center Manager develops evidence indicating that the beneficiary may be capable of administering the funds payable without limitation, he or she will refer that evidence to the rating agency with a statement as to his or her findings. The rating agency will consider this evidence, together with all other evidence of record, to determine whether its prior determination of incompetency should remain in effect. Reexamination may be requested as provided in § 3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.


The VA only has authority to rate veterans on their ability to handle and receive funds from the VA, and nothing else.

which means they have the legal authority to determine competency.

to recieve their funds, nothing else, which is the whole point of the thread. The Obama regime is abusing the authority of the VA.

first, the va has been reporting this since 1998. obama has nothing to do with it.

second, the va is only able to determine competency for benefits, but the 1968 gca says that determination of mental deficiency means they can't own or buy guns.

So why didn't the VA do that for 30 YEARS after the law passed in 1968????

Could it be that they KNEW they weren't the adjudicating authority, until they finally exceeded THEIR authority????

because until the passage of the brady bill there was nowhere to report it.

 

[JimBowie1958]

From your own damned source, jack ass.

§ 3.353Determinations of incompetency and competency.
(a)Definition of mental incompetency. A mentally incompetent person is one who because of injury or disease lacks the mental capacity to contract or to manage his or her own affairs, including disbursement of funds without limitation.
Rating agencies have sole authority to make official determinations of competency and incompetency for purposes of: insurance (38 U.S.C. 1922), and, subject to §13.56 of this chapter, disbursement of benefits. Such determinations are final and binding on field stations for these purposes.

13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.
3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.
Where the beneficiary is rated incompetent, the Veterans Service Center Manager will develop information as to the beneficiary's social, economic and industrial adjustment; appoint (or recommend appointment of) a fiduciary as provided in § 13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.

If in the course of fulfilling the responsibilities assigned in paragraph (b)(2) the Veterans Service Center Manager develops evidence indicating that the beneficiary may be capable of administering the funds payable without limitation, he or she will refer that evidence to the rating agency with a statement as to his or her findings. The rating agency will consider this evidence, together with all other evidence of record, to determine whether its prior determination of incompetency should remain in effect. Reexamination may be requested as provided in § 3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.


The VA only has authority to rate veterans on their ability to handle and receive funds from the VA, and nothing else.

which means they have the legal authority to determine competency.

to recieve their funds, nothing else, which is the whole point of the thread. The Obama regime is abusing the authority of the VA.

first, the va has been reporting this since 1998. obama has nothing to do with it.

second, the va is only able to determine competency for benefits, but the 1968 gca says that determination of mental deficiency means they can't own or buy guns.

So why didn't the VA do that for 30 YEARS after the law passed in 1968????

Could it be that they KNEW they weren't the adjudicating authority, until they finally exceeded THEIR authority????

because until the passage of the brady bill there was nowhere to report it.

roflmao, that is so stupid.

The VA had places to send their reports, lol.

 

[ogibillm]

gee, wikipedia didn't give you all the information? imagine that!
38 CFR 3.353 - Determinations of incompetency and competency.

From your own damned source, jack ass.

§ 3.353Determinations of incompetency and competency.
(a)Definition of mental incompetency. A mentally incompetent person is one who because of injury or disease lacks the mental capacity to contract or to manage his or her own affairs, including disbursement of funds without limitation.
Rating agencies have sole authority to make official determinations of competency and incompetency for purposes of: insurance (38 U.S.C. 1922), and, subject to §13.56 of this chapter, disbursement of benefits. Such determinations are final and binding on field stations for these purposes.

13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.
3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.
Where the beneficiary is rated incompetent, the Veterans Service Center Manager will develop information as to the beneficiary's social, economic and industrial adjustment; appoint (or recommend appointment of) a fiduciary as provided in § 13.55 of this chapter; select a method of disbursing payment as provided in § 13.56 of this chapter, or in the case of a married beneficiary, appoint the beneficiary's spouse to receive payments as provided in § 13.57 of this chapter; and authorize disbursement of the benefit.

If in the course of fulfilling the responsibilities assigned in paragraph (b)(2) the Veterans Service Center Manager develops evidence indicating that the beneficiary may be capable of administering the funds payable without limitation, he or she will refer that evidence to the rating agency with a statement as to his or her findings. The rating agency will consider this evidence, together with all other evidence of record, to determine whether its prior determination of incompetency should remain in effect. Reexamination may be requested as provided in § 3.327(a) if necessary to properly evaluate the beneficiary's mental capacity to contract or manage his or her own affairs.


The VA only has authority to rate veterans on their ability to handle and receive funds from the VA, and nothing else.

which means they have the legal authority to determine competency.

For who they disburse funds to!!!

Are you really so retarded you can't read your own links???

You've posted NOTHING that states the VA has the right to make a legal determination of competency THAT WOULD AFFECT VETERANS' CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS... INCLUDING DETERMINATIONS THAT WOULD DENY SAID RIGHTS....

Those decisions are reserved for the COURTS, Dumbass!!!!!

i read and understand my links. you don't appear capable of following them.

but hey, don't take my word for it
Senate Report 113-86 - VETERANS SECOND AMENDMENT PROTECTION ACT

so that means that Senators Saxby Chambliss, Mike Crapo, Michael B. Enzi, James M. Inhofe, James
E. Risch, Pat Roberts, John Thune, David Vitter, Roger F. Wicker, Thad Cochran, Jeff Sessions,
John Boozman, and Jerry Moran all believe that the VA has the authority to deem someone mentally deficient, and that when they do that determination means they can't own or buy a gun.

now, do you think you know more than all of those senators and their staff? you're the expert and they (and I) are wrong?

Lol, no, they just know that Obama is uncontrollable fascist. Thats all.

i've lead you to water. i've fucking drowned you in it. that you refuse to drink confounds me.

i have no problem with opposition to the law and the rules. that makes sense to me (although i would disagree with it). i do have a problem with pretending that the law and the rules are something other than what they are, which is what you insist on doing.

 

[ogibillm]

which means they have the legal authority to determine competency.

to recieve their funds, nothing else, which is the whole point of the thread. The Obama regime is abusing the authority of the VA.

first, the va has been reporting this since 1998. obama has nothing to do with it.

second, the va is only able to determine competency for benefits, but the 1968 gca says that determination of mental deficiency means they can't own or buy guns.

So why didn't the VA do that for 30 YEARS after the law passed in 1968????

Could it be that they KNEW they weren't the adjudicating authority, until they finally exceeded THEIR authority????

because until the passage of the brady bill there was nowhere to report it.

roflmao, that is so stupid.

The VA had places to send their reports, lol.

really? where did gun dealers get their background checks before the passage of the brady bill?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

kind of bringing things back to the op - this isn't a new thing. the mental incompetence rule has been in place since 1968. the va is recognized, legally, as being able to make that determination.

why would anyone want the mentally incompetent to have greater access to guns?

Well except for the LEGAL requirement that before one LOSE a protected right ONE MUST BE so adjudged by competent authority which MEANS a JUDGE not a bureaucracy.

so in 48 years why hasn't anyone challenged the law?

Because until THIS year no one denied people their rights that way which you know perfectly well.

false

Look you RETARD until December the Government NEVER did what it is doing with the VA and SS. So explain again slowly how anyone would have complained prior to this happening? Be specific.

 

[JimBowie1958]

i have no problem with opposition to the law and the rules. that makes sense to me (although i would disagree with it). i do have a problem with pretending that the law and the rules are something other than what they are, which is what you insist on doing.

To take a report on bicycle riding competence and use it to determine mental competence makes as much sense as misusing financial disbursement handling competence and using it as a proxy for a real mental evaluation.

You know this is bullshit but you keep at it anyway, because you are a libtard political partisan hack and you could not care less what is fair to vetrans or intended by the law as written - until its YOUR tail that gets caught int he government cracks.

Complete 100% total hypocrit lying bastards on the left.