3 stupid myths republicans believe

[Faun]

1) Tax cuts pay for themselves.

Wrong. Every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar the government needs to borrow to pay their bills. It's so obnoxious when repubs complain of gov spending yet are too ignorant to realize tax cutting leads to more borrowing. You think over spending is the only reason for our debt? No, it is also because of Bush's tax cuts.

2) Liberals are socialists/communists

Also wrong. We are talking about fundamental definitions of words here. Saying liberals are socialists is just as stupid as saying conservatives are liberals.

3) The wealthy are not too wealthy.

95% of income gains have gone to the top 5% of earners despite the fact that the lower classes are responsible for most of the productivity. In fact, productivity has grown exponentially in the lower classes since the 30s yet wages have remained flat.

1) They do pay for themselves. You see, if you have more people paying taxes on more economic activity you can actually make MORE money then you currently have. In fact, every time taxes are cut, the economy improves and the treasury brings more money in. It's called the Laffer Curve, look it up.

2) The leadership sure leans that way. Progressives called themselves progressives because they believe in progresing society towards socialism/communism step by step. Through evolution rather than revolution. When progressives were exposed in the 1920s, they scared the heck out of the population and so rebranded themselves as liberals, while traditional "liberal" viewpoints were adopted by conservatives and libertarians.

3) Who the heck are you to determine what too wealthy is? If someone is blessed more for his labor, why should I have a right to force him to pay for what I want to be done? Why should I be angry at my brother because of his success? Rather, I should rejoice in it. And persuade and encourage him to use his resources wisely. But how he ultimately uses it is between him and God. Why do you want to be a robber in your heart?

1) False, the economy does not always improve following a tax cut. Taxes were cut in 1981 and 1982 and the economy grew worse; getting stronger from 1983 after tax increases were passed. Taxes were cut in 2001 and 2002, and again, the economy grew worse. The economy did get better after the 2003 tax cut, but it's debatable how much the tax cut contributed to that versus the housing bubble, which was ballooning out of control between 2003 and 2006.

And about the Laffer Curve ... it symmetrical curve maximizes revenue at about a 50% tax rate. Why on Earth would you advocate that if you're against higher taxes??

2) False again. Words have meaning ...

Socialism

a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies

Communism

a way of organizing a society in which the government owns the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) and there is no privately owned property​

There are no leaders of the Democrat party advocating the government take ownership of major industries. You confuse regulating private industries with taking ownership of them. And forget Communism. That is a complete absurdity as no leaders are advocating the government seizing all property from the people.

3. This one is completely subjectable and no one will ever agree on what is "wealthy." The fact is, generally speaking, the more you make, the more you spend. So there is no doubt that there are some folks making around a million dollars a year who still struggle financially while there are others making $100,000, living a much more meager lifestyle, but not struggling as much. As far as progressive taxes, there are pros and cons for both progressive taxes and a flat tax. I personally prefer progressive taxes because it produces more public revenue than a flat tax would, which benefits everyone.

 

[Billy000]

what an idiot you are; demand is always present; inelastic demand such as food and medicines; and elastic demand as well; because Americans always want things

you abject morons on the Left think you are stimulating demand; and you have NOTHING to show for all that "stimulus"

record welfare and food stamps; and the lowest level of participation in the labor market in 40 years

The other chief factors for the low job participation is because of retiring baby boomers and more people going on disability. "discouraged workers" is hardly the only reason. Also, this decline started before Obama.

Oh, and stimulating demand does create jobs. That's how we know the stimulus worked.

 

[Clementine]

1) Tax cuts pay for themselves.

Wrong. Every dollar lost in revenue is one more dollar the government needs to borrow to pay their bills. It's so obnoxious when repubs complain of gov spending yet are too ignorant to realize tax cutting leads to more borrowing. You think over spending is the only reason for our debt? No, it is also because of Bush's tax cuts.

2) Liberals are socialists/communists

Also wrong. We are talking about fundamental definitions of words here. Saying liberals are socialists is just as stupid as saying conservatives are liberals.

3) The wealthy are not too wealthy.

95% of income gains have gone to the top 5% of earners despite the fact that the lower classes are responsible for most of the productivity. In fact, productivity has grown exponentially in the lower classes since the 30s yet wages have remained flat.

1) They do pay for themselves. You see, if you have more people paying taxes on more economic activity you can actually make MORE money then you currently have. In fact, every time taxes are cut, the economy improves and the treasury brings more money in. It's called the Laffer Curve, look it up.

2) The leadership sure leans that way. Progressives called themselves progressives because they believe in progresing society towards socialism/communism step by step. Through evolution rather than revolution. When progressives were exposed in the 1920s, they scared the heck out of the population and so rebranded themselves as liberals, while traditional "liberal" viewpoints were adopted by conservatives and libertarians.

3) Who the heck are you to determine what too wealthy is? If someone is blessed more for his labor, why should I have a right to force him to pay for what I want to be done? Why should I be angry at my brother because of his success? Rather, I should rejoice in it. And persuade and encourage him to use his resources wisely. But how he ultimately uses it is between him and God. Why do you want to be a robber in your heart?

1) False, the economy does not always improve following a tax cut. Taxes were cut in 1981 and 1982 and the economy grew worse; getting stronger from 1983 after tax increases were passed. Taxes were cut in 2001 and 2002, and again, the economy grew worse. The economy did get better after the 2003 tax cut, but it's debatable how much the tax cut contributed to that versus the housing bubble, which was ballooning out of control between 2003 and 2006.

And about the Laffer Curve ... it symmetrical curve maximizes revenue at about a 50% tax rate. Why on Earth would you advocate that if you're against higher taxes??

2) False again. Words have meaning ...

Socialism

a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies

Communism

a way of organizing a society in which the government owns the things that are used to make and transport products (such as land, oil, factories, ships, etc.) and there is no privately owned property​

There are no leaders of the Democrat party advocating the government take ownership of major industries. You confuse regulating private industries with taking ownership of them. And forget Communism. That is a complete absurdity as no leaders are advocating the government seizing all property from the people.

3. This one is completely subjectable and no one will ever agree on what is "wealthy." The fact is, generally speaking, the more you make, the more you spend. So there is no doubt that there are some folks making around a million dollars a year who still struggle financially while there are others making $100,000, living a much more meager lifestyle, but not struggling as much. As far as progressive taxes, there are pros and cons for both progressive taxes and a flat tax. I personally prefer progressive taxes because it produces more public revenue than a flat tax would, which benefits everyone.

Explain why the Communists, socialists and Marxists here in the states fully support the Dem party. Many of the radicals were delegates at the DNC convention. They hate those who are against their idiotic ideas, but love all the liberals.

 

[bedowin62]

oh the lies you moron leftists tell yourselves!1

there has been no huge uptick in the numbers of baby boomers reaching retirement. in fact more and more people are PUTTING OFF RETIREMENT.
retired people aren't on unemployment; they are retired you dolt. trying to add them in the equation to manufacture an EXCUSE FOR PROGRESSIVE FAILURE is laughable

 

[Faun]

#4. Liberals are stupid, see 1, 2, 3 above.

And yet you can't explain what makes them stupid.

1. Let me try. Tax cuts. Liberals think all money you earn belongs to the government . Letting you keep YOUR OWN MONEY is wrong. The answer to balancing the budget is DON'T SPEND MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN. If you take in less CUT SPENDING. The money left in the hands of the consumer will be spent on things that will actually help the economy and create jobs. Liberals tend to think jobs is a dirty word and would rather see that money go to unemployment.
2. Socialised medicine, letting the government deside what size drink you can have, government spying on all phone calls, emails, recording lisence plates, trying to disarm everyone. Sounds like Communist to me.
3. Nobody is ever too wealthy. Ambition, drive and creativity will make you wealthy if you are willing to put in the time and work to earn then invest instead of spending then borrowing. A lesson our Congressmen could stand to learn.

1. False. No Liberals claim "all" money one earns belongs to the government.

2. False. Medicine is not socialized. Look at countries like Canada to see what socialized medicine actually looks like.

3. Mostly true. There are some who are definitely too wealthy. Not that they don't deserve to be, but seriously ... a billionaire is not too wealthy??

 

[bedowin62]

several of Obama's associates; aides; or advisors self-identify themselves as hardcore Socialists or even communists. denying stuff just makes you look stupid

 

[Faun]

And yet you can't explain what makes them stupid.

1. Let me try. Tax cuts. Liberals think all money you earn belongs to the government . Letting you keep YOUR OWN MONEY is wrong. The answer to balancing the budget is DON'T SPEND MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN. If you take in less CUT SPENDING. The money left in the hands of the consumer will be spent on things that will actually help the economy and create jobs. Liberals tend to think jobs is a dirty word and would rather see that money go to unemployment.
2. Socialised medicine, letting the government deside what size drink you can have, government spying on all phone calls, emails, recording lisence plates, trying to disarm everyone. Sounds like Communist to me.
3. Nobody is ever too wealthy. Ambition, drive and creativity will make you wealthy if you are willing to put in the time and work to earn then invest instead of spending then borrowing. A lesson our Congressmen could stand to learn.

it's true; liberal morons believe every penny earned by every body is the property of the US government; and if they allow you to keep any of the money you earned it's them doing you a favor

libs are just morons

hisses a brain-dead rightard.

Name the Liberal advocating a 100% tax rate? That's what it would have to be for the government to own "every penny earned."

 

[bedowin62]

Obama brags that much of the stimulus was tax cuts. but it wasn't that part that "saved" the economy huh?

lol what a bunch of idiots left-wingers are!

 

[Billy000]

Obama brags that much of the stimulus was tax cuts. but it wasn't that part that "saved" the economy huh?

lol what a bunch of idiots left-wingers are!

His tax cuts were for the middle class. That is where tax cuts are best used.

 

[bedowin62]

I will ask once again; do the Stimulus jobs still exist?

stimulus wasn't meant to be endless you LWNJs.

GOD what morons!
you don't believe in our system; you believe in welfare and food stamps and making people dependent on the government; and it shows; because that is exactly what we got right now

why do you fools on the Left act surprised we have record levels of what you believe in?

 

[bedowin62]

1. Let me try. Tax cuts. Liberals think all money you earn belongs to the government . Letting you keep YOUR OWN MONEY is wrong. The answer to balancing the budget is DON'T SPEND MORE THAN YOU TAKE IN. If you take in less CUT SPENDING. The money left in the hands of the consumer will be spent on things that will actually help the economy and create jobs. Liberals tend to think jobs is a dirty word and would rather see that money go to unemployment.
2. Socialised medicine, letting the government deside what size drink you can have, government spying on all phone calls, emails, recording lisence plates, trying to disarm everyone. Sounds like Communist to me.
3. Nobody is ever too wealthy. Ambition, drive and creativity will make you wealthy if you are willing to put in the time and work to earn then invest instead of spending then borrowing. A lesson our Congressmen could stand to learn.

it's true; liberal morons believe every penny earned by every body is the property of the US government; and if they allow you to keep any of the money you earned it's them doing you a favor

libs are just morons

hisses a brain-dead rightard.

Name the Liberal advocating a 100% tax rate? That's what it would have to be for the government to own "every penny earned."

dozens of liberals on these very boards advocate the 90% tax rates for the top brackets used to fund WWII. YOU'RE A JOKE. calling me loony is laughable

record welfare and food stamps is the Progressive legacy

 

[cutter]

It's all Bush's fault. After 6yrs their still blaming Bush for Obama's failure. I guess that just proves obama doesn't have a clue how to be President. He thought it was all about golf.

 

[bedowin62]

we have record numbers of able-bodied Americans not participating in the labor force


seriously; you idiots on the Left need to shut your mouths and stop pretending you have a clue on economic matters. this is real life; not your ivory towers

 

[Faun]

1) They do pay for themselves. You see, if you have more people paying taxes on more economic activity you can actually make MORE money then you currently have. In fact, every time taxes are cut, the economy improves and the treasury brings more money in. It's called the Laffer Curve, look it up.

2) The leadership sure leans that way. Progressives called themselves progressives because they believe in progresing society towards socialism/communism step by step. Through evolution rather than revolution. When progressives were exposed in the 1920s, they scared the heck out of the population and so rebranded themselves as liberals, while traditional "liberal" viewpoints were adopted by conservatives and libertarians.

3) Who the heck are you to determine what too wealthy is? If someone is blessed more for his labor, why should I have a right to force him to pay for what I want to be done? Why should I be angry at my brother because of his success? Rather, I should rejoice in it. And persuade and encourage him to use his resources wisely. But how he ultimately uses it is between him and God. Why do you want to be a robber in your heart?

1) bullshit. Only 4.6 jobs were created per million dollar cut from Bush's tax cuts. Tax cuts for the wealthy only help the wealthy. All they do is stimulate supply. They do very little to stimulate demand. Only a con would think less revenue is a good thing.

2) typical fluff. Why do you bother?

3) so you think it is a good thing only the wealthy have seen income gains since the 30s?

about one million more Americans were working in the Bush years then are working now.

true story

pretty comical; a left-wing idiot whining that the Bush tax cuts didn't create many jobs.
what did we get for the almost $1 trillion Obama Stimulus? do any of those jobs still exist?

be honest with your self leftard; do they still exist?

Exactly who do you blame for that 1 million decrease?

 

[Billy000]

I will ask once again; do the Stimulus jobs still exist?

stimulus wasn't meant to be endless you LWNJs.

GOD what morons!
you don't believe in our system; you believe in welfare and food stamps and making people dependent on the government; and it shows; because that is exactly what we got right now

why do you fools on the Left act surprised we have record levels of what you believe in?

Most of the jobs created still exist. Some have been lost. What your dumbass isn't getting is that most of the jobs created from the recovery act were created through the stimulation of economic demand. Capitalism 101.

Altogether, 2.5x more private jobs were created in Obama's 5 years than in Bush's 8.

 

[bedowin62]

the CBO Obama and the Left insisted was the final word in the obamacare fiasco when they were projecting rosiness; now says between the ACA and the hike in the minimum wage the Left wants; will cost millions of jobs

now the laughable Left is on tv extolling the virtues of unemployment

seriously you guys need to just STFU

 

[Billy000]

the CBO Obama and the Left insisted was the final word in the obamacare fiasco when they were projecting rosiness; now says between the ACA and the hike in the minimum wage the Left wants; will cost millions of jobs

now the laughable Left is on tv extolling the virtues of unemployment

seriously you guys need to just STFU

I think you know you are losing the argument and you are too immature to know how to handle it like an adult.

 

[Faun]

we have record numbers of able-bodied Americans not participating in the labor force


seriously; you idiots on the Left need to shut your mouths and stop pretending you have a clue on economic matters. this is real life; not your ivory towers

Umm, some 94% of those not in the workforce don't want to work. That includes housewives, retired baby boomers, folks collecting disability, folks collecting welfares....

 

[bedowin62]

THE IDIOTIC LEFT insists their Messiahs policies and Stimulus saved the country; and things are so much better now. but not good enough to reduce the RECORD WELFARE AND FOOD STAMP LEVELS from the EMERGENCY LEVELS FROM THE END OF THE BUSH YEARS AND BEGINNING OF THE OBAMA YEARS; by one penny or one day of eligibility


idiots and hypocrites

 

[bedowin62]

look around you; if you had a brain you would see who is losing the argument

you're a joke
just ignore your failures; the failed left-wing agenda. your comments here are meaningless; reality tells a different story