4 year old exercises his second amendment rights

[ChrisL]

No he wasn't. He peer reviewed the methodology and results, and he has admitted that it is spot on. Sorry that you can't read and understand what you are reading.

You continue to show you have no clue.
“The usual criticisms of survey research, such as that done by Kleck
and Gertz, also apply to their research. The problems of small
numbers and extrapolating from relatively small samples to the
universe are common criticisms of all survey research, including
theirs. I did not mention this specifically in my printed comments
because I thought that this was obvious; within the specific
limitations of their research is what I meant by a lack of criticism
methodologically.”
(J of Criminal Law and Criminology 86:2 p617-8)

Where is the link? I don't see a link here. Post the link because we already know that you are a dishonest asshole.

Like it matters, you live in fantasy land and ignore all facts.

http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6873&context=jclc

From your link . . .

The Kleck and Gertz study impresses me for the caution the authors exercise and the elaborate nuances they examine methodologically. I do not like their conclusions that having a gun can be useful, but I cannot fault their methodology. They have tried earnestly to meet all objections in advance and have done exceedingly well.

And as he also says it is limited because it is so tiny.

22,000 is NOT a small research sample, especially compared to most of your anti-gun studies. Lol.

 

[Brain357]

So, even if the study was off by 1 MILLION, it is still showing us that people do in fact use guns for self defense and that they do in fact save lives. MORE lives than are lost to guns. Lives that are lost to guns are because of criminals. And you assholes want to take guns away from honest law-abiding citizens. You people are fucked up.

Not a single life is saved in any of the surveys.

What's your agenda here brainless? You have already been proven wrong. Lol. You just look foolish now.

No you have been proven to be clueless.

 

[ChrisL]

So, even if the study was off by 1 MILLION, it is still showing us that people do in fact use guns for self defense and that they do in fact save lives. MORE lives than are lost to guns. Lives that are lost to guns are because of criminals. And you assholes want to take guns away from honest law-abiding citizens. You people are fucked up.

Not a single life is saved in any of the surveys.

What's your agenda here brainless? You have already been proven wrong. Lol. You just look foolish now.

No you have been proven to be clueless.

No, that would be you. You have done nothing but lie. Everyone knows it, so I don't know who you think you're fooling.

 

[Brain357]

You continue to show you have no clue.
“The usual criticisms of survey research, such as that done by Kleck
and Gertz, also apply to their research. The problems of small
numbers and extrapolating from relatively small samples to the
universe are common criticisms of all survey research, including
theirs. I did not mention this specifically in my printed comments
because I thought that this was obvious; within the specific
limitations of their research is what I meant by a lack of criticism
methodologically.”
(J of Criminal Law and Criminology 86:2 p617-8)

Where is the link? I don't see a link here. Post the link because we already know that you are a dishonest asshole.

Like it matters, you live in fantasy land and ignore all facts.

http://scholarlycommons.law.northwestern.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6873&context=jclc

From your link . . .

The Kleck and Gertz study impresses me for the caution the authors exercise and the elaborate nuances they examine methodologically. I do not like their conclusions that having a gun can be useful, but I cannot fault their methodology. They have tried earnestly to meet all objections in advance and have done exceedingly well.

And as he also says it is limited because it is so tiny.

22,000 is NOT a small research sample, especially compared to most of your anti-gun studies. Lol.

There has never been a gun survey that big. link?

 

[ChrisL]

Kleck has done numerous studies of the effects of guns on death and injury in crimes,[1] on suicides,[2] and gun accidents,[3] the impact of gun control laws on rates of violence,[4][5] the frequency and effectiveness of defensive gun use by crime victims,[6][7] patterns of gun ownership,[8] why people support gun control,[9] and "the myth of big-time gun trafficking."[10]

In addition to his work on guns and violence, Kleck has done research concluding that increasing levels of punishment will not increase the deterrent effects of punishment,[11] and that capital punishment does not have any measurable effect on homicide rates.[12]

 

[ChrisL]

Studies by Kleck and the Department of Justice conclude that guns are frequently used to protect crime victims. But do they serve as a deterrent to crime? Findings are mixed.

A study by professors James D. Wright and Peter Rossi surveyed nearly 2,000 incarcerated felons and concluded that criminals are more worried about running into armed victims than law enforcement.

According to the Wright-Rossi survey, 34% of the felons responding from state prisons said that they had been “scared off, shot at, wounded or captured” by a victim armed with a firearm. The same percentage said they worried about being fired upon by armed victims, while 57% said they were more concerned with encountering an armed victim than encountering law enforcement officers.

 

[Brain357]

Kleck has done numerous studies of the effects of guns on death and injury in crimes,[1] on suicides,[2] and gun accidents,[3] the impact of gun control laws on rates of violence,[4][5] the frequency and effectiveness of defensive gun use by crime victims,[6][7] patterns of gun ownership,[8] why people support gun control,[9] and "the myth of big-time gun trafficking."[10]

In addition to his work on guns and violence, Kleck has done research concluding that increasing levels of punishment will not increase the deterrent effects of punishment,[11] and that capital punishment does not have any measurable effect on homicide rates.[12]

Your point? He arrives at numbers that aren't in the realm of reality.

 

[ChrisL]

There you go. From the mouths of criminals, they are DETERRED by gun owners.

 

[ChrisL]

Kleck has done numerous studies of the effects of guns on death and injury in crimes,[1] on suicides,[2] and gun accidents,[3] the impact of gun control laws on rates of violence,[4][5] the frequency and effectiveness of defensive gun use by crime victims,[6][7] patterns of gun ownership,[8] why people support gun control,[9] and "the myth of big-time gun trafficking."[10]

In addition to his work on guns and violence, Kleck has done research concluding that increasing levels of punishment will not increase the deterrent effects of punishment,[11] and that capital punishment does not have any measurable effect on homicide rates.[12]

Your point? He arrives at numbers that aren't in the realm of reality.

Are you a criminal? Is that why you are against people defending themselves? You must be.

 

[ChrisL]

Kleck has done numerous studies of the effects of guns on death and injury in crimes,[1] on suicides,[2] and gun accidents,[3] the impact of gun control laws on rates of violence,[4][5] the frequency and effectiveness of defensive gun use by crime victims,[6][7] patterns of gun ownership,[8] why people support gun control,[9] and "the myth of big-time gun trafficking."[10]

In addition to his work on guns and violence, Kleck has done research concluding that increasing levels of punishment will not increase the deterrent effects of punishment,[11] and that capital punishment does not have any measurable effect on homicide rates.[12]

Your point? He arrives at numbers that aren't in the realm of reality.

What's your agenda here? You don't want people to be able to defend themselves? Why?

 

[Brain357]

Studies by Kleck and the Department of Justice conclude that guns are frequently used to protect crime victims. But do they serve as a deterrent to crime? Findings are mixed.

A study by professors James D. Wright and Peter Rossi surveyed nearly 2,000 incarcerated felons and concluded that criminals are more worried about running into armed victims than law enforcement.

According to the Wright-Rossi survey, 34% of the felons responding from state prisons said that they had been “scared off, shot at, wounded or captured” by a victim armed with a firearm. The same percentage said they worried about being fired upon by armed victims, while 57% said they were more concerned with encountering an armed victim than encountering law enforcement officers.

Why are they worried? There are only a little over 200 justifiable homicides with a gun each year. According to 2aguy most armed defenders let the criminal go...

 

[ChrisL]

Studies by Kleck and the Department of Justice conclude that guns are frequently used to protect crime victims. But do they serve as a deterrent to crime? Findings are mixed.

A study by professors James D. Wright and Peter Rossi surveyed nearly 2,000 incarcerated felons and concluded that criminals are more worried about running into armed victims than law enforcement.

According to the Wright-Rossi survey, 34% of the felons responding from state prisons said that they had been “scared off, shot at, wounded or captured” by a victim armed with a firearm. The same percentage said they worried about being fired upon by armed victims, while 57% said they were more concerned with encountering an armed victim than encountering law enforcement officers.

Why are they worried? There are only a little over 200 justifiable homicides with a gun each year. According to 2aguy most armed defenders let the criminal go...

Pointless post again. The fact is that those criminals were scared off with a gun. Is that what happened to you?

 

[Brain357]

Kleck has done numerous studies of the effects of guns on death and injury in crimes,[1] on suicides,[2] and gun accidents,[3] the impact of gun control laws on rates of violence,[4][5] the frequency and effectiveness of defensive gun use by crime victims,[6][7] patterns of gun ownership,[8] why people support gun control,[9] and "the myth of big-time gun trafficking."[10]

In addition to his work on guns and violence, Kleck has done research concluding that increasing levels of punishment will not increase the deterrent effects of punishment,[11] and that capital punishment does not have any measurable effect on homicide rates.[12]

Your point? He arrives at numbers that aren't in the realm of reality.

Are you a criminal? Is that why you are against people defending themselves? You must be.

The OP is why I think people need to be careful about deciding to arm themselves.

 

[ChrisL]

Studies by Kleck and the Department of Justice conclude that guns are frequently used to protect crime victims. But do they serve as a deterrent to crime? Findings are mixed.

A study by professors James D. Wright and Peter Rossi surveyed nearly 2,000 incarcerated felons and concluded that criminals are more worried about running into armed victims than law enforcement.

According to the Wright-Rossi survey, 34% of the felons responding from state prisons said that they had been “scared off, shot at, wounded or captured” by a victim armed with a firearm. The same percentage said they worried about being fired upon by armed victims, while 57% said they were more concerned with encountering an armed victim than encountering law enforcement officers.

Why are they worried? There are only a little over 200 justifiable homicides with a gun each year. According to 2aguy most armed defenders let the criminal go...

Why are you worried about people defending themselves against criminals? Even if it was 30,000 people a year, that is still 30,000 who avoided being victims of criminals because of their guns. Right?

 

[ChrisL]

Kleck has done numerous studies of the effects of guns on death and injury in crimes,[1] on suicides,[2] and gun accidents,[3] the impact of gun control laws on rates of violence,[4][5] the frequency and effectiveness of defensive gun use by crime victims,[6][7] patterns of gun ownership,[8] why people support gun control,[9] and "the myth of big-time gun trafficking."[10]

In addition to his work on guns and violence, Kleck has done research concluding that increasing levels of punishment will not increase the deterrent effects of punishment,[11] and that capital punishment does not have any measurable effect on homicide rates.[12]

Your point? He arrives at numbers that aren't in the realm of reality.

Are you a criminal? Is that why you are against people defending themselves? You must be.

The OP is why I think people need to be careful about deciding to arm themselves.

You mean that you have an ulterior motive for wanting to disarm American citizens.

 

[Brain357]

Kleck has done numerous studies of the effects of guns on death and injury in crimes,[1] on suicides,[2] and gun accidents,[3] the impact of gun control laws on rates of violence,[4][5] the frequency and effectiveness of defensive gun use by crime victims,[6][7] patterns of gun ownership,[8] why people support gun control,[9] and "the myth of big-time gun trafficking."[10]

In addition to his work on guns and violence, Kleck has done research concluding that increasing levels of punishment will not increase the deterrent effects of punishment,[11] and that capital punishment does not have any measurable effect on homicide rates.[12]

Your point? He arrives at numbers that aren't in the realm of reality.

What's your agenda here? You don't want people to be able to defend themselves? Why?

I want people to be sure it is the right thing for them. Wasn't the right thing for the woman in the OP. Wasn't the right thing for the woman who shot herself dead with the bra holster. Wasn't the right thing for the woman shot dead by her child in walmart.

 

[Brain357]

Studies by Kleck and the Department of Justice conclude that guns are frequently used to protect crime victims. But do they serve as a deterrent to crime? Findings are mixed.

A study by professors James D. Wright and Peter Rossi surveyed nearly 2,000 incarcerated felons and concluded that criminals are more worried about running into armed victims than law enforcement.

According to the Wright-Rossi survey, 34% of the felons responding from state prisons said that they had been “scared off, shot at, wounded or captured” by a victim armed with a firearm. The same percentage said they worried about being fired upon by armed victims, while 57% said they were more concerned with encountering an armed victim than encountering law enforcement officers.

Why are they worried? There are only a little over 200 justifiable homicides with a gun each year. According to 2aguy most armed defenders let the criminal go...

Why are you worried about people defending themselves against criminals? Even if it was 30,000 people a year, that is still 30,000 who avoided being victims of criminals because of their guns. Right?

With 19,000 accidental shootings and 500 accidental shooting deaths it is probably better for some to just give up their wallet. Not to mention how many people are in jail because they thought it was a lawful defense.

 

[Brain357]

Here are some parents greatly regretting gun ownership now:
Police: Child killed in accidental shooting

These stories are much easier to find than any of lives being saved.

 

[ChrisL]

Studies by Kleck and the Department of Justice conclude that guns are frequently used to protect crime victims. But do they serve as a deterrent to crime? Findings are mixed.

A study by professors James D. Wright and Peter Rossi surveyed nearly 2,000 incarcerated felons and concluded that criminals are more worried about running into armed victims than law enforcement.

According to the Wright-Rossi survey, 34% of the felons responding from state prisons said that they had been “scared off, shot at, wounded or captured” by a victim armed with a firearm. The same percentage said they worried about being fired upon by armed victims, while 57% said they were more concerned with encountering an armed victim than encountering law enforcement officers.

Why are they worried? There are only a little over 200 justifiable homicides with a gun each year. According to 2aguy most armed defenders let the criminal go...

Why are you worried about people defending themselves against criminals? Even if it was 30,000 people a year, that is still 30,000 who avoided being victims of criminals because of their guns. Right?

With 19,000 accidental shootings and 500 accidental shooting deaths it is probably better for some to just give up their wallet. Not to mention how many people are in jail because they thought it was a lawful defense.

Aha, so you want people to have to give up their wallets to you. Nice. Thanks for admitting that.

 

[Brain357]

Studies by Kleck and the Department of Justice conclude that guns are frequently used to protect crime victims. But do they serve as a deterrent to crime? Findings are mixed.

A study by professors James D. Wright and Peter Rossi surveyed nearly 2,000 incarcerated felons and concluded that criminals are more worried about running into armed victims than law enforcement.

According to the Wright-Rossi survey, 34% of the felons responding from state prisons said that they had been “scared off, shot at, wounded or captured” by a victim armed with a firearm. The same percentage said they worried about being fired upon by armed victims, while 57% said they were more concerned with encountering an armed victim than encountering law enforcement officers.

Why are they worried? There are only a little over 200 justifiable homicides with a gun each year. According to 2aguy most armed defenders let the criminal go...

Why are you worried about people defending themselves against criminals? Even if it was 30,000 people a year, that is still 30,000 who avoided being victims of criminals because of their guns. Right?

With 19,000 accidental shootings and 500 accidental shooting deaths it is probably better for some to just give up their wallet. Not to mention how many people are in jail because they thought it was a lawful defense.

Aha, so you want people to have to give up their wallets to you. Nice. Thanks for admitting that.

Beats burying a child cause they chose to own a gun. Beats getting shot in the back by their child. I think everyone should put a lot of thought into whether they should have a gun. I have not said anything should be illegal.