400 Americans

Sorry, my bad. And great to hear! Finding Republicans on the board is pretty easy for the most minimally functional adult. Unfortunately, Franco is not minimally functioning or even close to it. He's in a jam now. How can he find a Republican?

Good luck in your quest, Franco. Godspeed.
I do vote Republican but here we don't need to register a party. I am a conservative though and for me it transcends party. It's just that Democrat conservatives are extinct as far as I can tell.

Yeah, Franco is just here to spout off the exact same socialist rhetoric over and over and over and over like a broken record. He's a bitter clinger to the Manifesto! ;)
 
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You're the one that thinks we're becoming more conservative. LOL.
I'm not alone:
"Despite the results of the 2008 presidential election, Americans, by a 2-to-1 margin, say their political views in recent years have become more conservative rather than more liberal, 39% to 18%, with 42% saying they have not changed.

"While independents and Democrats most often say their views haven't changed, more members of all three major partisan groups indicate that their views have shifted to the right rather than to the left."
Special Report Ideologically Where Is the U.S. Moving
 
How do you plan to legislate that people get affection, understanding, creativity, etc?
By starting the legislative process with subsistence, leisure, and (economic) freedom.
So now you're going to legislate leisure?

Tell me are you going to fine people who don't take all their vacation days because they want to get ahead?

And people already have economic freedom. No one is stopping any of you from making more money, learning a new skill so you can make more money, starting a business, spending less, saving more etc etc etc etc etc etc
 
He might be.
The issue is unit labor cost. The skilled craftsman might be able to make only 5 widgets a day while the machine operator can crank out 1000. If they're comparable then the machine operator might be worth more money.

No the guys who make, program and keep the machine running are more important than the moron pushing a button.
You just moved the goalpost by saying "more important." That isnt the issue. You're comparing apples and orangutangs.
The issue is how much value the employee creates. Part of that calculus is how skilled he is. But not necessarily.

More important in this context means worth more money.

When any moron off the street can run a machine they aren't worth much.
It's not true that any moron off the street can run a machine. It takes an ability to show up on time, sober and ready to work It takes an ability to follow instructions. It takes an ability to work at a very boring task for 8 hours or more without giving up.
Those dont sound like difficult skills but you'd be surprised how many people cannot do them. This is why factory workers even jus machine operators tend to make pretty good money given their education levels etc.

They aren't skills at all.
Those are certainly skills.
 
You're the one that thinks we're becoming more conservative. LOL.
I'm not alone:
"Despite the results of the 2008 presidential election, Americans, by a 2-to-1 margin, say their political views in recent years have become more conservative rather than more liberal, 39% to 18%, with 42% saying they have not changed.

"While independents and Democrats most often say their views haven't changed, more members of all three major partisan groups indicate that their views have shifted to the right rather than to the left."
Special Report Ideologically Where Is the U.S. Moving
Your link to the Gallup poll says:
Nearly 4 in 10 Americans say their views have grown more conservative
 
No the guys who make, program and keep the machine running are more important than the moron pushing a button.
You just moved the goalpost by saying "more important." That isnt the issue. You're comparing apples and orangutangs.
The issue is how much value the employee creates. Part of that calculus is how skilled he is. But not necessarily.

More important in this context means worth more money.

When any moron off the street can run a machine they aren't worth much.
It's not true that any moron off the street can run a machine. It takes an ability to show up on time, sober and ready to work It takes an ability to follow instructions. It takes an ability to work at a very boring task for 8 hours or more without giving up.
Those dont sound like difficult skills but you'd be surprised how many people cannot do them. This is why factory workers even jus machine operators tend to make pretty good money given their education levels etc.

They aren't skills at all.
Those are certainly skills.
Staying sober? Doing what you're told?

Shit any 5 year old can do that

How about getting out of bed? How much are you going to pay a guy for that?
 
So now you're going to legislate leisure?

Tell me are you going to fine people who don't take all their vacation days because they want to get ahead?
I was thinking more along the lines of what the Dick proposed nearly fifty years ago:
"In August 1969, in the eighth month of his presidency, Richard Nixon delivered a speech proposing the replacement of AFDC with a program that would benefit 'the working poor, as well as the nonworking; to families with dependent children headed by a father, as well as those headed by a mother.'

"In case the point was missed, he continued: 'What I am proposing is that the Federal Government build a foundation under the income of every American family with dependent children that cannot care for itself — and wherever in America that family may live.'"

Guaranteed income s moment in the sun Remapping Debate
 
So now you're going to legislate leisure?

Tell me are you going to fine people who don't take all their vacation days because they want to get ahead?
I was thinking more along the lines of what the Dick proposed nearly fifty years ago:
"In August 1969, in the eighth month of his presidency, Richard Nixon delivered a speech proposing the replacement of AFDC with a program that would benefit 'the working poor, as well as the nonworking; to families with dependent children headed by a father, as well as those headed by a mother.'

"In case the point was missed, he continued: 'What I am proposing is that the Federal Government build a foundation under the income of every American family with dependent children that cannot care for itself — and wherever in America that family may live.'"

Guaranteed income s moment in the sun Remapping Debate
Why not just plant a money tree?
 
And people already have economic freedom. No one is stopping any of you from making more money, learning a new skill so you can make more money, starting a business, spending less, saving more etc etc etc etc etc etc
Where's the economic freedom when a human being's only choice is to take whatever job is offered or starve to death?
 
And people already have economic freedom. No one is stopping any of you from making more money, learning a new skill so you can make more money, starting a business, spending less, saving more etc etc etc etc etc etc
Where's the economic freedom when a human being's only choice is to take whatever job is offered or starve to death?

So they can't get another job?
They can't get a second job?

They can't do anything without your help?

And no one is starving to death in this country.
 
People die in the desert every day to get to the greatest Country in the world with the greatest opportunities. Hypocrites on the left who take advantage of these opportunities every day are either bi-polar or stupid when they whine and complain about having the opportunity to become rich. Who is the enemy, the 400 rich people or the a-holes who burn businesses?
 
So they can't get another job?
They can't get a second job?
Judging by current unemployment figures millions of Americans can't find the first job. Millions more are unable to support their families on the amount they earn. Unemployment has become a structural problem that capitalism can not account for. BTW, about a hundred Americans starve to death every year.
 
Retired History/French teacher, fool. Pubs just make life harder for the none rich...
Thank God you are retired but I imagine you did a lot of damage in the mean time. The farther left this country grows, the worse it is for the middle class and the economy in general. You're either a moron or a liar, maybe both.

Franco: See, Moron? It wasn't hard to find a Republican to debate even in your dim fog of stupidity.
Your misinformed "opinions" aren't worthy of respect. The new bs GOP is a dishonest horror.
 
People earn what they job they have is worth paying.
Want more pay? Develop skills that an employer will pay you more to use.
This "living wage" nonsense is a bunch of crap.
 
Reaganist pander to the rich tax rates and lack of investment in the country are ruinous, ding bats.

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.

Over the past 60 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:

1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.

Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.

But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):

1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%

A 13% drop since 1980

2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.

Share of National Income going to Top 10%:

1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%

An increase of 16% since Reagan.

3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.

The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.

1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)

A 12.3% drop after Reagan.

4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.

Household Debt as percentage of GDP:

1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%

A 45% increase after 1980.

5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.

Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:

1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%

A 5.6 times increase.

6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.

The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:

1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%

A 10% Decrease.

Links:

1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
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2 – Congratulations to Emmanuel Saez The White House
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis BEA
4 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/household-sector-debt-of-gdp
4 = FRB Z.1 Release--Financial Accounts of the United States--September 18 2014
5/6 = Wealth And Inequality In America - Business Insider

Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts
 

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