450 scientists present stunning rebuke of Trumps climate science denial

[Boss]

I never claimed Mother Nature was a sentient being. I asked you a question you can't answer. Why would nature give us plants that like ~600 ppm CO2 best if that's unacceptably high? That's kind of odd to me. Seems if ~280 ppm were "normal" the plants would be happiest there. Nature usually isn't that far outta whack with what's natural.

Rising CO2 levels are not increasing the Earth's temps. The average temp has increased one degree in a century and CO2 has risen dramatically. For 17 years, CO2 rose every year and temps didn't. It's called "The Pause" and you don't have an explanation for that. Nevertheless, CO2 levels are still way below what plants think is optimal. Why is that?

Why do you keep quoting studies by scientists that don't allow their papers to be peer reviewed? Can't you find one that does that normal process when debunking something?

1 degree celcius higher. Granted 2/3 of that came in the past 30 years. So we are on a very quickly spiking rise as well. 13 to 14 degrees. 7% increase already. 5% temperature increase on earth in 30 years.... Insane.

And yes, plants like carbon dioxide. Lots of it. Humans like oxygen. Divers and medical staff use 40% O2 (about double what's in the air) because of it's positive effects on the human body. Doesn't mean that's good for the environment to do that. Why would nature give us humans that thrive in 40% O2, but not give us 40% O2? The problem is what is good for one thing isn't good for everything. Water may be the best environment for fish, but if we increased it so water covered the earth it wouldn't be good for a lot of other living creatures.

Maybe you've been blind to nature most of your life, but have you ever seen what happens when something from nature is given a perfect environment. When an animal is introduced to an environment that suits it better than the one it was in. It throws nature completely out of what. Green tree snakes in Guam. The Lionfish. Kudzu. Pythons in Florida. I mean like you say... those area's where they thrive should be what's normal for them right? Of course not. Your logic doesn't stand up.


Now unfortunately since you are on this topic, lets keep exploring your beliefs. So you believe CO2 is rising. You've said that. Unfortunately, excess CO2 production is man made. We can prove that easily, we put 30 million tons of it in the atmosphere, and most of it is where plants can't use it or remove it. We've also run test after test proving out the scientific theory that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and traps heat. You choose to ignore the peer reviewed studies that 97% of the scientific community agrees on and go with the outliers where that fraction of a percentage lies. Fine.

Divers and medical staff use 40% O2 (about double what's in the air) because of it's positive effects on the human body.

This is not true. Divers use a mixture known as Nitrox (nitrogen and oxygen) and it has to do with dive times, hypoxia and decompression time. More pure concentrations of oxygen are actually more hazardous to the human body and dive times are reduced. Excessive use of more pure oxygen mixtures can cause oxygen poisoning.

We can prove that easily, we put 30 million tons of it in the atmosphere, and most of it is where plants can't use it or remove it.

Oh dear... you don't understand how the atmosphere works, do you? When molecules are released in the atmosphere, they do this thing we call "dissipate" and they don't stay where we release them. Most plants are within our atmosphere.

1 degree celcius higher. Granted 2/3 of that came in the past 30 years. So we are on a very quickly spiking rise as well. 13 to 14 degrees. 7% increase already. 5% temperature increase on earth in 30 years.... Insane.

Oh... Insanity is your problem? How is 2/3 of one degree equal to 13~14 degrees? So you have trouble with math too?

Maybe you've been blind to nature most of your life, but have you ever seen what happens when something from nature is given a perfect environment.

Yes, it thrives! I'm not suggesting we give plants a euphoric super-environment to thrive in. I'm asking why plants naturally prefer ~600 ppm CO2 if that isn't natural? In other words, what "authority" determined ~280 ppm was "normal"? Plant life seems to think it's much higher. You can't explain why.

 

[Boss]

There is a "preferred by humans" output, which is a stable temperature.

Problem is, we've NEVER had a stable temperature and never will.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Yeah, peer reviewed papers, scientists spending decades studying this. Why believe that when you can "meme it" because that's where the real science is. In memes.. lol

I don't give a dam about how many people say things. I put my belief in verifiable facts.. Your so called "Scientists" don't have one eyota of empirical evidence that shows mans contribution is causing anything.. Where is your empirically observed link?

All you do is post up appeals to authority and you never check to see if the authority is even worthy of your trust.. Your a dupe and a fool..

 

[Sun Devil 92]

450 scientists present stunning rebuke of Trumps climate science denial
JOE ROMM at Think Progress

450 scientists present stunning rebuke of Trump’s climate science denial

"SNIP............

A massive new report by more than 450 scientists, confirms that the Earth warmed to a new record in 2016, driven by a record increase in carbon dioxide levels.

The 27th annual “State of the Climate” report, led by the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), stands as the first comprehensive rebuke by the nation’s and world’s climate scientists to the presidency of Donald Trump. Trump has repeatedly called climate change a “hoax” and reaffirmed last week that he intends to withdraw the United States from the Paris climate agreement, which remains the best hope for America and the world to avert catastrophic impacts.

“Surface temperature and carbon dioxide concentration, two of the more publicly recognized indicators of global-scale climate change, set new highs during 2016,” the report explains, “as did several surface and near-surface indicators and essential climate variables.”

NOAA’s news release explains that 2016 set several major new climate records — all of which topped records previously set the year before:

Greenhouse gases were the highest on record.
Global surface temperature was the highest on record.
Average sea surface temperature was the highest on record.
Global sea level was the highest on record.

Go Scientist go!!! Wahooo!!! Fuck Trump!

Let's hope they are right.

I am so ready to see Cali sink. Hope those mexicans know how to swim.

Let's melt those icecaps...huge waste of water.

 

[Markle]

We want the Paris climate accords.

Specifically, what is there in the disastrous Paris Accord which would stop CO2 emissions? Nothing. Also, who does it bind with any sort of ramifications for violations?

No, we do not want the Paris Accord. Good riddance.

 

[Markle]

Why do you keep quoting crap that is circular pal reviewed? I take those who publish and openly discuss their works with much greater credibility. Most journals today are corrupt political propaganda outlets.

100% correct!

 

[Billy_Bob]

Billy Bob.

Your Meme up there came from Joanne Nova (Codling was her real last name, Nova is her stage name for her TV show sponsored by Shell Oil). She was a molecular biologist who studied DNA. That was her degree, where her expertise was. But she liked to use her TV show (paid for by Shell Oil) to talk about how global warming.

She is an author. Not peer reviewed like you prefer.. Serious Science Party Tricks is her book. “Do the funniest, silliest, and most surprising tricks with things like paper, balloons, straws and flour. Simple, quick, easy and stunning. An activity book to keep you engrossed for hours!”

Also why do your meme saying "years before present" end 95 years before 2000? You can't even get data newer than 1905 there?

She's said her belief is based in 3 major things.

CO2 doesn't cause global warming (0 experiments or papers of her own to back this)
Temperatures aren't really rising (0 experiments or papers of her own to back this)
And the carbon dioxide is already causing (even though it doesn't cause) as much of the observed warming (that isn't happening she said) as it can.

So your idea of much better scientists are the ones employed by Shell Oil who can't put up data of human caused global warming that's newer than 110 years old? Got it.

That's all you needed to say. "I like the data big oil puts out instead of the scientists who study it".

How well did that work for Marlboro on "smoking is good for you". The NFL on "Concussions aren't bad". Or the Sugar industry saying "Sugar isn't bad for you, fat is".

Are false equivalencies and name calling all you have?

 

[Markle]

Climategate showed that all the leading figures in field of so-called "climate research" conspired together to keep any paper skeptical of the global warming abracadabra from being published.

100% True, lest some of our greenie friends have managed to forget Climategate, allow me to remind them.

As you recall, Professor Phil Jones was the center of the Global Warming Scam at East Anglia University. Their program was considered the epitome of Global Warming Information. The disclosure of thousands of e-mails proving their efforts to conceal information discredit and even prevent opposing views from being published has wrecked the scam, hopefully forever. Data used by the United Nations IPCC and NASA findings came from EAU.

14th February, 2010

Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995

Data for vital 'hockey stick graph' has gone missing (it has now been disclosed that all the “raw data” was DUMPED!

There has been no global warming since 1995

Warming periods have happened before - but NOT due to man-made changes

Phil Jones admitted his record keeping is 'not as good as it should be.

WHAT????

[…]

Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.

Phil Jones has said that he considered suicide for his part in this worldwide scam.

Let us also recall: The e-mails leaked in the fall of 2009 allow us to trace the machinations of a small but influential band of British and US climate scientists who played the lead role in the IPCC reports. It appears that this group, which controlled access to basic temperature data, was able to produce a "warming" by manipulating the analysis of the data, but refused to share information on the basic data or details of their analysis with independent scientists who requested them -- in violation of Freedom of Information laws. In fact, they went so far as to keep any dissenting views from being published -- by monopolizing the peer-review process, aided by ideologically cooperative editors of prestigious journals, like Science and Nature.

We learn from the e-mails that the ClimateGate gang was able to "hide the decline" [of global temperature] by applying what they termed as "tricks," and that they intimidated editors and forced out those judged to be "uncooperative." No doubt, thorough investigations, now in progress or planned, will disclose the full range of their nefarious activities. But it is clear that this small cabal was able to convince much of the world that climate disasters were impending -- unless drastic steps were taken. Not only were most of the media, public, and politicians misled, but so were many scientists, national academies of science, and professional organizations -- and even the Norwegian committee that awarded the 2007 Peace Prize to the IPCC and Al Gore, the chief apostle of climate alarmism.

Climategate U-turn: Astonishment as scientist at centre of global warming email row admits data not well organised | Daily Mail Online

 

[Markle]

Divers and medical staff use 40% O2 (about double what's in the air) because of it's positive effects on the human body.

This is not true. Divers use a mixture known as Nitrox (nitrogen and oxygen) and it has to do with dive times, hypoxia and decompression time. More pure concentrations of oxygen are actually more hazardous to the human body and dive times are reduced. Excessive use of more pure oxygen mixtures can cause oxygen poisoning.

"Shallow" deep water dives use Nitrox but it has the danger of nitrogen narcosis. Air is also added to the mixture. More than 130 feet a mixture of helium and oxygen is used, sometimes helium, oxygen, and nitrogen. Neon is sometimes used in place of helium as it does not distort a divers voice but it is very expensive. In other lifetimes, (I'm really old) I worked as a diver for the Miami-Seaquarium, a salvage diver (not the gold ships) motors gone overboard, watches, cars in canals and as a dive master, part time when I lived in Key West. I have made a few deep water dives but mostly in depths less than 50 or 60 feet.

Oh, medical staff use bottles, white at the top of pure oxygen. This may be mixed with nitrogen as indicated by the specialist.