48%: The Democratic Party needs to face an ugly reality

[bripat9643]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

Here's what you're voting for if you vote for Biden:

 

[JakeStarkey]

Oddball's counsel to the GOP far right is well received.

The Democrats are in the back turn of the race getting ready to sprint to the finish line in a massive victory over the GOP.

48-the-democratic-party-needs-to-face-an-ugly-reality is misnamed: it's the GOP that is out of touch with reality,

 

[JakeStarkey]

The GOP and rich's class warfare are failing as the Dems keep an increasing lead.

 

[jc456]

Government schools, sheesh. Don't you want better than the shitty government education you got?

The rest is your your leftist hate rhetoric

ask blacks. And then they say black lives matter. too fking funny. 14 dead 42 wounded this weekend in Chiraq.

 

[mamooth]

There's all sorts of insider trading going on in congress....It transcends party affiliation....Stopped being shocking back in the 1990s.

"Oddball justifies his side's criminal behavior by lying about how everyone does it. Film at 11."

That's a common way in which conservatives justify their immoral behavior. They make up a story that the liberals are doing it too, which forced them to be criminals as well.

Needless to say, liberals don't do the "Waaa! The other side made me do the crime!" thing. It's part of being an adult and taking responsibility, so the conservatives here won't be able to understand.

 

[jc456]

This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.

Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.

Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.

It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.

This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.

Here's what you're voting for if you vote for Biden:

and this

Watch: Husband and wife brutally attacked by thugs with 2x4s after asking them to stop vandalizing

The man recording the attack reportedly had to quickly stop and run away, as the thugs apparently started running after him.

www.lawenforcementtoday.com

 

[WTF19]

We have Trump's goons in Congress taxing the working wealthy and the middle class to death to support the ultra-poor while letting the rich walk.

link---troll

 

[kaz]

Of course Nazis are leftists. NAZI stands for the socialist party, brainiac.

And Nazis had a centrally managed economy, which is socialism.

There was nothing "right" about Nazis at all, they are all yours

Actually, the Nazis stopped being "socialist" after the Night of the Long Knives, when Hitler expunged socialist leaning members like Roehm and Strasser and fully embraced the German Military Industrial Complex. All the big companies were fine with Hitler, such as Seimens, Krupp, Daimler, etc. Companies that still exist today.

The German war machine was still a centrally managed economy. It relied on the force of government guns to drive the economy.

Crony Capitalism is a form of SOCIALISM. It's still centrally managed.

The German people weren't going to the store and buying tanks instead of bread. Didn't happen

And when Junkers aircraft got a little wobbly about supporting the Nazis, BAM! the company gets nationalized.

A classic right-wing move!

Like the GOP Congress buying shares of banks?

While I oppose both, buying shares of and nationalizing are not exactly on the same par, Captain Hyperbole

 

[WTF19]

The terms 'marxism' and 'socialism' do not scare Americans and will not help the GOP.

They do not scare those who have been indoctrinated by the media and academia because they were never taught the history of those two political ideologies

What is worse, they are told that the National Socialist Nazis were right wing.

Unbelievable

What is unbelievable is your post. YOU are the one in need of learning the histories of these two forms of government because you think that both are the same and that both are negative.

And the NAZI Party, under Adolf Hitler, was a right wing white nationalist party.

YOU need to go back to school and stop spouting the lies of the Republican Party. It is YOU who have been brainwashed by the billionaire owned right wing media.

You are spouting off a tautology.

According to your political spectrum, what makes the Nazi party right wing?

What are you measuring, or had you never even thought about it?

HIs political spectrum is the same metric used by Political Scientists and History teachers. In the taxonomy of Social Science Conservatism is Right Wing, and liberalism is Left Wing, the former is for the King, the latter for We the People.

The 21st Century is extremely conservative, and has many characteristics under Trump&Co. of the tactics used by Mussolini and Hitler to gain support and power.

im sure you mean the tactics of BARRAG o and BEIJING joe...nothing resembling your remark do i see

 

[Oddball]

There's all sorts of insider trading going on in congress....It transcends party affiliation....Stopped being shocking back in the 1990s.

"Oddball justifieds his side's criminal behavior by lying about how everyone does it. Film at 11."

That's a common way in which conservatives justify their immoral behavior. They make up a story that the liberals are doing it too, which forced them to be criminals as well.

Needless to say, liberals don't do the "Waaa! The other side made me do the crime!" thing. It's part of being an adult and taking responsibility, so the conservatives here won't be able to understand.

Not being surprised and understanding that an ongoing corruption of the system isn't justifying or crying about anything.....It is what it is...And my being shocked about it, let alone squealing about which party is engaging in it, as though that has any meaning whatsoever, changes nothing.....As though such caterwauling about inherently corrupt people ever changed anything.

Now get back to your coloring book, Krazy Kat.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are funny!




Trump's tax cuts helped billionaires pay less than the working ...
www.theguardian.com › business › oct › trump-tax-cuts-helped-billio...

Oct 9, 2019 - Economists calculate richest 400 families in US paid an average tax rate of 23% while the bottom half of households paid a rate of 24.2%

 

[mamooth]

The German war machine was still a centrally managed economy. It relied on the force of government guns to drive the economy.

Er, no. The factories didn't make weapons for free. What you're describing isn't anything resembling socialism. The government collected taxes and purchased weapons from corporations with the money. Capitalism.

Crony Capitalism is a form of SOCIALISM. It's still centrally managed.

By your lunatic standards, every nation on earth is now socialist. When you decide that socialism covers everything, you make the term meaningless.

The German people weren't going to the store and buying tanks instead of bread. Didn't happen.

People don't buy tanks anywhere, so again, by your definition, every nation would be socialist. And that's why you're ignored.

 

[dblack]

JoeB is correct. Trump will not get 48% of the vote. He may get 45%.

LOL - you seem to be missing the point of the OP. The fact that 45% of voters will choose someone like Trump over your candidate is, in and of itself, a failure. And those voters won't go away. They'll undermine everything Democrats try to do.

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[kaz]

OK, brainless twat. I said NAZI stands for socialist, THEN I described why they were socialist.

And everyone laughed hard at that big lie, because you just invented a new definition for "socialist".

Government schools, sheesh. Don't you want better than the shitty government education you got?

I'm sure that in your little fascist head, the public schools that are as old as the USA qualify as socialism. That's how crazy you are.

The rest is your your leftist hate rhetoric

So, pegged you right on, I did. Dang, I'm good.

Actually, fun fact. The term socialism always referred to government control over the economy.

It was you who made up the new definition that socialism means unicorns and barbie dolls.

And try to calm down and stop screaming like that. You have to get a grip. It's just politics on a message board, don't get so upset. Try breathing into a paper bag if you have to, I hear that helps.

 

[Oddball]

Oddball's counsel to the GOP far right is well received.

The Democrats are in the back turn of the race getting ready to sprint to the finish line in a massive victory over the GOP.

48-the-democratic-party-needs-to-face-an-ugly-reality is misnamed: it's the GOP that is out of touch with reality,

Tell us again how McMullen is going to set the whole election on its ear, Nostradamus.

 

[occupied]

Yeah I don't get it either. Maybe America in the recesses of our collective soul is as fascistic and authoritarian as any banana republic. Democracy is no longer reliably producing rich, white plutocratic politicians so it must be time to destroy it.

Once again we are a representative republic.

Are we? I would question that assessment when our representatives in government do not seem to be concerned with anyone except billionaires and those who try to represent The People are branded as evil socialists.

Your problem is you beleive giving americans more and more free stuff is representing them.

Your problem is that you think money rightfully buys power and the rich are fully entitled to the handouts their pet politicians give them.

I was on the money with my post. Yours isn't even close. Class warfare is all you have.

Class warfare is real and the class you belong to is losing. Quit being a collaborator.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Of course Nazis are leftists. NAZI stands for the socialist party, brainiac.

And Nazis had a centrally managed economy, which is socialism.

There was nothing "right" about Nazis at all, they are all yours

Actually, the Nazis stopped being "socialist" after the Night of the Long Knives, when Hitler expunged socialist leaning members like Roehm and Strasser and fully embraced the German Military Industrial Complex. All the big companies were fine with Hitler, such as Seimens, Krupp, Daimler, etc. Companies that still exist today.

The German war machine was still a centrally managed economy. It relied on the force of government guns to drive the economy.

Crony Capitalism is a form of SOCIALISM. It's still centrally managed.

The German people weren't going to the store and buying tanks instead of bread. Didn't happen

And when Junkers aircraft got a little wobbly about supporting the Nazis, BAM! the company gets nationalized.

A classic right-wing move!

Like the GOP Congress buying shares of banks?

While I oppose both, buying shares of and nationalizing are not exactly on the same par, Captain Hyperbole

Sure, it is. Acquiring ownership is nationalizing.

 

[Oddball]

Of course Nazis are leftists. NAZI stands for the socialist party, brainiac.

And Nazis had a centrally managed economy, which is socialism.

There was nothing "right" about Nazis at all, they are all yours

Actually, the Nazis stopped being "socialist" after the Night of the Long Knives, when Hitler expunged socialist leaning members like Roehm and Strasser and fully embraced the German Military Industrial Complex. All the big companies were fine with Hitler, such as Seimens, Krupp, Daimler, etc. Companies that still exist today.

The German war machine was still a centrally managed economy. It relied on the force of government guns to drive the economy.

Crony Capitalism is a form of SOCIALISM. It's still centrally managed.

The German people weren't going to the store and buying tanks instead of bread. Didn't happen

And when Junkers aircraft got a little wobbly about supporting the Nazis, BAM! the company gets nationalized.

A classic right-wing move!

Like the GOP Congress buying shares of banks?

While I oppose both, buying shares of and nationalizing are not exactly on the same par, Captain Hyperbole

Sure, it is. Acquiring ownership is nationalizing.

 

[kaz]

There's all sorts of insider trading going on in congress....It transcends party affiliation....Stopped being shocking back in the 1990s.

"Oddball justifies his side's criminal behavior by lying about how everyone does it. Film at 11."

That's a common way in which conservatives justify their immoral behavior. They make up a story that the liberals are doing it too, which forced them to be criminals as well.

Needless to say, liberals don't do the "Waaa! The other side made me do the crime!" thing. It's part of being an adult and taking responsibility, so the conservatives here won't be able to understand.

Another meltdown? This afternoon isn't going well for you, is it drama queen?

 

[22lcidw]

JoeB is correct. Trump will not get 48% of the vote. He may get 45%.

There is something wrong with the so called party of youth not having younger candidates who are likable. It speaks wonders with Hillary in 2016. And in2020 it is not like Biden was the star of that party. He fell into shit as Obama's running mate with an obvious election of color over character.