58 straight months of jobs growth, ACA working great where allowed to, where is this bad economy?

[francoHFW]

Most people would like your Pub industry to be taken out and shot...lol

 

[Obiwan]

 

[Mac1958]

You guys have fun with our finance/economics savant here, I'll check back in the morning...

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[francoHFW]

You believe a huge pile of BS. Obama had 4 years of control and passed tons of regulation? LOL. ACTUALLY 13 DAYS in session, no regulations to speak of. This is still Reaganish/Boooshism screwing the nonrich, dingbat dupes. DUH.

You're a hardcore partisan ideologue, a True Believer.

I'm in the industry, my nose is in it 24/7/365.

I don't get my "data" from ABC "News", HuffPo or Rachel.

Try this shit with someone else, you're not in my league.

.

Any actual argument, troll?

As compared to what, yours?

"dingbat dupes, DUH".

Very impressive.

.

Any argument? Are you with the dupes believing 4 years of control? You want another Pub bubble bust scandal rececession depression? Your industry suqs lol.

Are you drunk?

You're the idiot who believes Obama had 4 years of control and this is his economy, jackass. All you can do is troll now?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

You're a hardcore partisan ideologue, a True Believer.

I'm in the industry, my nose is in it 24/7/365.

I don't get my "data" from ABC "News", HuffPo or Rachel.

Try this shit with someone else, you're not in my league.

.

Any actual argument, troll?

As compared to what, yours?

"dingbat dupes, DUH".

Very impressive.

.

Any argument? Are you with the dupes believing 4 years of control? You want another Pub bubble bust scandal rececession depression? Your industry suqs lol.

Are you drunk?

You're the idiot who believes Obama had 4 years of control and this is his economy, jackass. All you can do is troll now?

I'd watch saying anyone is trolling, Mr Pub bubble bust scandal recession depression. Talk about incoherent blather

 

[francoHFW]

You guys have fun with our finance/economics savant here, I'll check back in the morning...

.

Run away, Pub a-hole. Get a real job and stop screwing the country lol .

 

[deltex1]

You believe a huge pile of BS. Obama had 4 years of control and passed tons of regulation? LOL. ACTUALLY 13 DAYS in session, no regulations to speak of. This is still Reaganish/Boooshism screwing the nonrich, dingbat dupes. DUH.

You're a hardcore partisan ideologue, a True Believer.

I'm in the industry, my nose is in it 24/7/365.

I don't get my "data" from ABC "News", HuffPo or Rachel.

Try this shit with someone else, you're not in my league.

.

Any actual argument, troll?

As compared to what, yours?

"dingbat dupes, DUH".

Very impressive.

.

Any argument? Are you with the dupes believing 4 years of control? You want another Pub bubble bust scandal rececession depression? Your industry suqs lol.

Are you drunk?

No he's stupid. He reminds me of that other moron from long ago...the guy whose yard we googled...can't recall his name...

Report More Than 92 Million Americans Remain Out Of Labor Force CBS DC

 

[francoHFW]

Any actual argument, troll?

As compared to what, yours?

"dingbat dupes, DUH".

Very impressive.

.

Any argument? Are you with the dupes believing 4 years of control? You want another Pub bubble bust scandal rececession depression? Your industry suqs lol.

Are you drunk?

You're the idiot who believes Obama had 4 years of control and this is his economy, jackass. All you can do is troll now?

I'd watch saying anyone is trolling, Mr Pub bubble bust scandal recession depression. Talk about incoherent blather

Only incoherent to negative info dupes like you. Tell us again how Obama had 4 years of control and wrecked the economy, functional moron.

 

[Obiwan]

You guys have fun with our finance/economics savant here, I'll check back in the morning...

.

Run away, Pub a-hole. Get a real job and stop screwing the country lol .

 

[SassyIrishLass]

You're a hardcore partisan ideologue, a True Believer.

I'm in the industry, my nose is in it 24/7/365.

I don't get my "data" from ABC "News", HuffPo or Rachel.

Try this shit with someone else, you're not in my league.

.

Any actual argument, troll?

As compared to what, yours?

"dingbat dupes, DUH".

Very impressive.

.

Any argument? Are you with the dupes believing 4 years of control? You want another Pub bubble bust scandal rececession depression? Your industry suqs lol.

Are you drunk?

No he's stupid. He reminds me of that other moron from long ago...the guy whose yard we googled...can't recall his name...

Report More Than 92 Million Americans Remain Out Of Labor Force CBS DC

Crawa? LMAO Yeah, you're right, this one is just about as stupid LOL

 

[SassyIrishLass]

As compared to what, yours?

"dingbat dupes, DUH".

Very impressive.

.

Any argument? Are you with the dupes believing 4 years of control? You want another Pub bubble bust scandal rececession depression? Your industry suqs lol.

Are you drunk?

You're the idiot who believes Obama had 4 years of control and this is his economy, jackass. All you can do is troll now?

I'd watch saying anyone is trolling, Mr Pub bubble bust scandal recession depression. Talk about incoherent blather

Only incoherent to negative info dupes like you. Tell us again how Obama had 4 years of control and wrecked the economy, functional moron.

Any actual argument, troll?

As compared to what, yours?

"dingbat dupes, DUH".

Very impressive.

.

Any argument? Are you with the dupes believing 4 years of control? You want another Pub bubble bust scandal rececession depression? Your industry suqs lol.

Are you drunk?

No he's stupid. He reminds me of that other moron from long ago...the guy whose yard we googled...can't recall his name...

Report More Than 92 Million Americans Remain Out Of Labor Force CBS DC

Crawa? LMAO Yeah, you're right, this one is just about as stupid LOL

LOL Now you made my night, I'd have loved to have seen the look on his face when he saw his entire life on an AOL board, the only one better was Farm Hag. Ah, those were the good ole days, no moderation and free to create chaos

 

[Oldstyle]

You have to understand that Franco is working with a huge handicap. It's obvious he knows nothing about economics yet he's here trying to debate that topic on a message board! It would be like if you and I were picked up off the street and asked to perform open heart surgery. We might be able to fool people for about five minutes that we're doctors just from having watched medical shows on TV but the minute that scalpel is slapped in our hand, it's time to make the first cut we're all SCREWED and we are all bailing!

When Franco starts with all the "hater dupe", "pub dupe" stuff he's bailing too...

 

[francoHFW]

You believe Obama had 4 years of total control and I'm stupid? Hilarious. That's typical dupe understanding of the world. Now just stupid insults and a dumbass circle jerk...

 

[francoHFW]

You have to understand that Franco is working with a huge handicap. It's obvious he knows nothing about economics yet he's here trying to debate that topic on a message board! It would be like if you and I were picked up off the street and asked to perform open heart surgery. We might be able to fool people for about five minutes that we're doctors just from having watched medical shows on TV but the minute that scalpel is slapped in our hand, it's time to make the first cut we're all SCREWED and we are all bailing!

When Franco starts with all the "hater dupe", "pub dupe" stuff he's bailing too...

Hell now, hater dupes ARE THE STORY of the last 30 years. Little contact with reality. But thanks for the stupidest wars ever, the world depression, and 6 years of mindless obstruction. see sig

 

[Obiwan]

You believe Obama had 4 years of total control and I'm stupid? Hilarious. That's typical dupe understanding of the world. Now just stupid insults and a dumbass circle jerk...

The Democrats had control of Congress for Obama's entire first term. The only way he could have had any more control would have been if he just made up any law he wanted, like he does now.

 

[francoHFW]

Here, dupes, more fact than you've seen in years:

One of the standard Republican talking points is that the Democrats had a filibuster-proof, super majority for two years between 2008 and 2010. This talking point is usually trotted out when liberals complain that the Republicans filibustered virtually every piece of legislation proposed by Obama or the Democrats during Obama’s presidency. The implication is that Democrats had ample opportunity to pass legislation and that the reason they didn’t pass more legislation doesn’t have anything to do with the Republicans.
It is also used to counter any argument that Republican legislation, (passed during the six years of total Republican control,) has anything to do with today’s problems. They claim that the Democrats had a super majority for two years and passed all kinds of legislation, (over Republican objection and filibuster,) that completely undid all Republican policies and legislation, and this absolves them from today’s problems.
The Truth is that the Democrats only had a filibuster-proof majority for 60 working days during that period, insufficient time to undo even a small portion of the legislation passed during six years of Republican control. Here are the details:
To define terms, a Filibuster-Proof Majority or Super Majority is the number of votes required to overcome a filibuster in the Senate. According to current Senate rules, 60 votes are required to overcome a filibuster.
Here is a time-line of the events after the 2008 election:
1. BALANCE BEFORE THE ELECTION. In 2007 – 2008 the balance in the Senate was 51-49 in favor of the Democrats. On top of that, there was a Republican president who would likely veto any legislation the Republicans didn’t like. Not exactly a super majority.
2. BIG GAIN IN 2008, BUT STILL NO SUPER MAJORITY. Coming out the 2008 election, the Democrats made big gains, but they didn’t immediately get a Super Majority. The Minnesota Senate race required a recount and was not undecided for more than six months. During that time, Norm Coleman was still sitting in the Senate and the Balance 59-41, still not a Super Majority.
3. KENNEDY GRAVELY ILL. Teddy Kennedy casthis last vote in April and left Washington for good around the first of May. Technically he could come back to Washington vote on a pressing issue, but in actual fact, he never returned, even to vote on the Sotomayor confirmation. That left the balance in the Senate 58-41, two votes away from a super majority.
4. STILL NO SUPER MAJORITY. In July, Al Frankin was finally declared the winner and was sworn in on July 7th, 2009, so the Democrats finally had a Super Majority of 60-40 six and one-half months into the year. However, by this point, Kennedy was unable to return to Washington even to participate in the Health Care debate, so it was only a technical super majority because Kennedy could no longer vote and the Senate does not allow proxies. Now the actual actual balance of voting members was 59-40 not enough to overcome a Republican filibuster.
5. SENATE IS IN RECESS. Even if Kennedy were able to vote, the Senate went into summer recess three weeks later, from August 7th to September 8th.
6. KENNEDY DIES. Six weeks later, on Aug 26, 2009 Teddy Kennedy died, putting the balance at 59-40. Now the Democrats don’t even have technical super majority.
7. FINALLY, A SUPER MAJORITY! Kennedy’s replacement was sworn in on September 25, 2009, finally making the majority 60-40, just enough for a super majority.
8. SENATE ADJOURNS. However the Senate adjourned for the year on October 9th, only providing 11 working days of super majority, from September 25th to October 9th.
9. SPECIAL SESSIONS. During October, November and December, the Senate had several special sessions to deal with final passage of ACA and Budget appropriations.
October = 13th – 15th, 20th – 22nd, 27th, 29th = 8 days
November = 2nd, 4th, 5th, 9th 16th, 17th, 19th, 21st = 8 days
December = 1st, 3rd - 8th, 10th – 13th, 15th – 18th, 19th, 21st – 24th = 20 days
Total Special Session Days = 36.
8. SCOTT BROWN ELECTED. Scott Brown was elected on January 19th 2010. The Senate was in session for 10 days in January, but Scott Brown wasn’t sworn into office on February 4th, so the Democrats only had 13 days of super majority in 2010.
Summary:
Regular Session: 11 working days
Special Session: 36 working days
Lame Duck Session: 13 working days
The Democrats only had 60 days of Super Majority between 2008 and 2010.
Discussion: One of the central themes of the Republican argument is that the Democrats had a super majority for two full years and so they had plenty of time pass new legislation or undo any problems that were caused by six years of Republican control of all three branches of government. This is argument is used by the Republicans immunize themselves against any responsibility for ongoing problems that might have been caused by their policies.
However, the fact is that the Democrats had a super majority for a total of 60 days, which is no where near the two years that Republicans are always claiming. On top of that, the period of Super Majority was split into short sessions, none of which was longer than five days. In addition, the special session time was entirely devoted to budget issues and Republican amendments to the ACA.
Given the glacial pace that business takes place in the Senate, this was way too little time for the Democrats pass any meaningful legislation, let alone get bills through committees and past all the obstructionistic tactics the Republicans were using to block legislation. No one can seriously expect that the Democrats could undo in 60 days all the damage that Republicans created in six years.
Further, these Super Majorities count Joe Lieberman as a Democrat even though he was by this time an Independent. Even though he was Liberal on some legislation, he was very conservative on other issues and opposed many of the key pieces of legislation the Democrats and Obama wanted to pass. For example, he was adamantly opposed to “Single Payer” health care and vowed to support a Republican Filibuster if it ever came to the floor. He even threatened to caucus with the Republicans if legislation came to the floor that he didn’t like.
Summary:
1. 1/07 – 12/08 – 51-49 – Ordinary Majority.
2. 1/09 – 7/14/09 – 59-41 – Ordinary Majority. (Coleman/Franklin Recount.)
3. 7/09 – 8/09 - 60-40 – Technical Super Majority, but since Kennedy is unable to vote, the Democrats can’t overcome a filibuster
4. 8/09 – 9/09 - 59-40 – Ordinary Majority. (Kennedy dies)
5. 9/09 – 12/24- 60-40 – Super Majority for 47 working days.
6. 1/10 – 2/10 – 60-40 – Super Majority for 13 working days
Total Time of the Democratic Super Majority: 60 Working days.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_111_1.htm
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/resources/pdf/2009_calendar.pdfhttp://www.senate.gov/legislative/resources/pdf/2010_calendar.pdfhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Minnesota,_2008http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/111th_United_States_Congress

 

[francoHFW]

The Demise of the American Middle Class In Numbers.
Over the past 30 years the American dream has gradually disappeared. The process was slow, so most people didn’t notice. They just worked a few more hours, borrowed a little more and cut back on non-essentials. But looking at the numbers and comparing them over long time periods, it is obvious that things have changed drastically. Here are the details:
1. WORKERS PRODUCE MORE BUT THE GAINS GO TO BUSINESS.
Over the past 63 years worker productivity has grown by 2.0% per year.
But after 1980, workers received a smaller share every year. Labor’s share of income (1992 = 100%):
1950 = 101%
1960 = 105%
1970 = 105%
1980 = 105% – Reagan
1990 = 100%
2000 = 96%
2007 = 92%
A 13% drop since 1980
2. THE TOP 10% GET A LARGER SHARE.
Share of National Income going to Top 10%:
1950 = 35%
1960 = 34%
1970 = 34%
1980 = 34% – Reagan
1990 = 40%
2000 = 47%
2007 = 50%
An increase of 16% since Reagan.
3. WORKERS COMPENSATED FOR THE LOSS OF INCOME BY SPENDING THEIR SAVINGS.
The savings Rose up to Reagan and fell during and after.
1950 = 6.0%
1960 = 7.0%
1970 = 8.5%
1980 = 10.0% – Reagan
1982 = 11.2% – Peak
1990 = 7.0%
2000 = 2.0%
2006 = -1.1% (Negative = withdrawing from savings)
A 12.3% drop after Reagan.
4. WORKERS ALSO BORROWED TO MAKE UP FOR THE LOSS.
Household Debt as percentage of GDP:
1965 = 46%
1970 = 45%
1980 = 50% – Reagan
1990 = 61%
2000 = 69%
2007 = 95%
A 45% increase after 1980.
5. SO THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICHEST AND THE POOREST HAS GROWN.
Gap Between the Share of Capital Income earned by the top 1%
and the bottom 80%:
1980 = 10%
2003 = 56%
A 5.6 times increase.
6. AND THE AMERICAN DREAM IS GONE.
The Probably of Moving Up from the Bottom 40% to the Top 40%:
1945 = 12%
1958 = 6%
1990 = 3%
2000 = 2%
A 10% Decrease.
Links:
1 = ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/pf/totalf1.txt
1 = https://www.clevelandfed.org/Research/PolicyDis/No7Nov04.pdf
1 = http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Zh1bveXc8rA/SuddUhLWUaI/AAAAAAAAA7M/iU2gefk317M/s1600-h/Clipboard01.jpg
2 – http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/blog/09/04/27/CongratulationstoEmmanuelSaez/
3 = http://www.demos.org/inequality/images/charts/uspersonalsaving_thumb.gif
3 = http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TableView.asp?SelectedTable=58&Freq=Qtr&FirstYear=2008&LastYear=2010
4 = http://www.prudentbear.com/index.php/household-sector-debt-of-gdp
4 = http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/current/
5/6 = http://www.businessinsider.com/15-charts-about-wealth-and-inequality-in-america-2010-4?slop=1#slideshow-start
Overview = http://www.ourfuture.org/blog-entry/2010062415/reagan-revolution-home-roost-charts

 

[rdean]

You do realize that people will look at their shrinking paychecks, rising insurance premiums, and outrageous deductibles instead of reading your propaganda when they decide how to vote, don't you????

That's called recognizing reality.

You come back when it stops slapping you across the face.

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Ignorant Republicans, instead of improving a good idea only want to destroy it. You see it every where Republicans stick in their dirty little fingers. Look at the mess they made in Iraq. Look at the nuclear arms race they are trying to start in Iran. Look at what they did to the economy under Bush. Their only ideas are bad ideas. Their policies are failures and yet, they still want to lead. I guess failure can become addictive. What else could it be?

 

[Obiwan]

Rderp

OK, to address your points...

1) Iraq wasn't a mess when Bush left office. As a matter of fact, I can give you a link to Obama saying we were leaving behind a stable and secure Iraq when he pulled our troops out and ignored the results until the situation went to hell.

2) Obama's deal with Iran is so bad that some of the Democrats have even said they will vote against it.

3) The factors that caused the recession were begun by BILL CLINTON.

Really, if you feel you have to lie, don't be so frigging obvious about it.

 

[whitehall]

Government jobs as in federal, state and local government tops the hiring statistics but government jobs do not grow the economy. What do you think statistics in a democrat administration are going to say? Most unemployment bennies are going to run out after Barry Hussein leaves office? Staggering numbers on the statistical roles gave up looking for a job and the feds don't count them anymore? Most jobs that are touted in the federal statistics are burger flippers?