9 reasons Denmark's government/economy is better than the US's

[Brain357]

The Nordic model uses capitalism.

The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3]refers to the economic and social policiescommon to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland and Sweden). This includes a combination of free marketcapitalism with a comprehensive welfare stateand collective bargaining at the national level.[4][5]

 

[JimBowie1958]

The Nordic model uses capitalism.

The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3]refers to the economic and social policiescommon to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland and Sweden). This includes a combination of free marketcapitalism with a comprehensive welfare stateand collective bargaining at the national level.[4][5]

Are you seriously trying to edumakate anyone around here, dude?

What are you smoking?

 

[Markle]

Throwing money at socialism makes things much worse, see above.
Socialism only sounds good to progressive fools...

The long list of great things about Denmark says you are wrong.

It can't work over here, you are comparing apples to oranges. Millions of people would perish from such a socialist backwards system...

That doesn't make sense, it would work better in a bigger economy.

Check on that with Greece as well as Venezuela.

Yeah Greece made the mistake of trying to bail out failed bankers and is paying that price, unlike the Nordic Socialist nations who stuck it to the banks instead and are doing quite well now, having practiced more capitalism than the capitalists have done.

Read up on how Iceland handled the financial crash genius - that is what we could have done too had we more control over our economy.

Iceland...? Really? Population: 327,589 (2014) You just can't make these things up!

Leon COUNTY Florida Population: 283,988 (2014)

 

[Brain357]

The Nordic model uses capitalism.

The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism[1] or Nordic social democracy)[2][3]refers to the economic and social policiescommon to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Norway, Iceland and Sweden). This includes a combination of free marketcapitalism with a comprehensive welfare stateand collective bargaining at the national level.[4][5]

Are you seriously trying to edumakate anyone around here, dude?

What are you smoking?

Yes it generally is pointless. When America was great we would hear of a country doing well and look for what ideas could make us better. These dopes hear great things and stupidly dismiss them without a thought.

 

[Brain357]

The long list of great things about Denmark says you are wrong.

It can't work over here, you are comparing apples to oranges. Millions of people would perish from such a socialist backwards system...

That doesn't make sense, it would work better in a bigger economy.

Check on that with Greece as well as Venezuela.

Yeah Greece made the mistake of trying to bail out failed bankers and is paying that price, unlike the Nordic Socialist nations who stuck it to the banks instead and are doing quite well now, having practiced more capitalism than the capitalists have done.

Read up on how Iceland handled the financial crash genius - that is what we could have done too had we more control over our economy.

Iceland...? Really? Population: 327,589 (2014) You just can't make these things up!

Leon COUNTY Florida Population: 283,988 (2014)

That is what keeps you from learning from something that was handled well?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Iceland...? Really? Population: 327,589 (2014) You just can't make these things up!

Leon COUNTY Florida Population: 283,988 (2014)

There is nothing that Iceland did that is impossible for a larger nation to do.

These banks could have been replaced by the federal reserve in the short run until regional banks could step up their game to take the place of the original Wall Street banks that created the whole mess in the first place by selling bogus securities.

They made the mess, we paid them $5 trillion to shore up their capital reserves and then they paid themselves huge bonuses for it all.

IF you think that is capitalism and how it should work then you are a fool.

We dont have capitalism, we have an oligarchy that sucks the life out of this country, compelling everyone to run the treadmill while they sit on their fat asses ripping everyone else off.

Grow a brain, dude.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Denmark's personal income tax rate is 56%
The sales tax is 25%
Denmark Personal Income Tax Rate | 1995-2016 | Data | Chart | Calendar

If you want the government to take 56% of your income and pay 25% more for everything then feel free to get your ass on a plane and go.

People have a problem with the government taking their money, and would rather pay double for something, than have the govt take the money and pay for it.

It's quite bizarre.

People are accepting of the corruption in healthcare, simply so the govt doesn't get involved. They'll pay quite a of their money towards this, more than most people in other countries will pay in taxes for their healthcare.

Not true.

Not true.

 

[frigidweirdo]

According to Obama and his followers isn't every country better then the good ol USA???

Yep, you go and make something up, and then attack people for it.... that's going to help you find the truth... wait, you don't want the truth? You just want to make up a version that suits you? Shock horror.

 

[easyt65]

Billy, feel free to move there.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Billy, feel free to move there.

Why?

The coming Digital Revolution is not jobs friendly. When we hit 50% unemployment we will see a huge tidal wave of support for this kind of Nordic Socialism at the latest, and some might say that Sanders are Trump indicators that the public is ready for some common goals as well as the return of common sense to government in the USA.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Billy, feel free to move there.

Surely it's someone's right to talk about politics, and if it's their right to do so, then surely it's their right to talk about politics and even encourage the sort of politics they desire.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Billy, feel free to move there.

Surely it's someone's right to talk about politics, and if it's their right to do so, then surely it's their right to talk about politics and even encourage the sort of politics they desire.

OK, can you restate that in Plain English, please?

Thank you

 

[Rustic]

It can't work over here, you are comparing apples to oranges. Millions of people would perish from such a socialist backwards system...

Lol, yeah, sure because we dont have the Magic Formula Denmark uses?

roflmao


It is entirely doable here as well.

What are you so afraid of?

For responsible people socialism is the way backwards...

 

[Rustic]

This is what "American" socialism looks like... Lol
Pine Ridge Statistics

Pine Ridge Reservation
Humanitarian Rescue

STATISTICAL DATA

Despite nearly-insurmountable conditions, few resources, and against unbelievable odds, Indigenous people are struggling hard to overcome decades of neglect, discrimination and forced destruction of their traditional cultures to promote a life of self-respect and self-sufficiency.

BRIEF STATISTICS

* 97% of of the population at Pine Ridge Reservation live below federal poverty line.

* The unemployment rate vacillates from 85% to 95% on the Reservation.

* Death due to Heart Disease: Twice the national average.

* The infant mortality rate is the highest on this continent and is about 300% higher than the U.S. national average.

* Elderly die each winter from hypothermia (freezing).

* Recent reports point out that the median income on the Pine Ridge Reservation is approximately $2,600 to $3,500 per year.

* At least 60% of the homes are severely substandard, without water, electricity, adequate insulation, and sewage systems.

* Recent reports state the average life expectancy is 45 years old while others state that it is 48 years old for men and 52 years old for women. With either set of figures, that's the shortest life expectancy for any community in the Western Hemisphere outside Haiti, according to The Wall Street Journal.

INTRODUCTORY

Hidden away, dotted throughout the landscape of America, are the Reservations of the Indigenous People of our land. Mostly unknown or forgotten by the mainstream culture of the dominant U.S. society, the average United States resident knows little or nothing about these people other than what romanticized versions they see in movies and television or else in their nearest Reservation casino. Most assume that whatever poverty exists on a reservation is most certainly comparable to that which they might experience themselves.

And definitely, mainstream Americans are accustomed to being exposed to poverty. It has become nearly invisible due to its overwhelming presence everywhere. We drive through our cities now with a blind eye, numb to the suffering around us. Even more, we watch the televised reports of Third World countries, shake our heads and turn away, rightfully assuming that our government and our charities will help those in need all over the globe.

But the question begs: What about the foreign nations on America's own soil, within this country, a part and yet apart from mainstream society? What about the Native American Nations on America's reservations? Few mainstream Americans know anything about the people that live on these reservations and fewer still know or comprehend the unconscionable conditions present on many of them.

What many do not know is that a staggering number of residents on Native American reservations live in abject conditions rivaling, or even surpassing, that of many Third World countries.

This report chronicles just one Nation, the Oglala Lakota (Sioux) Nation of the Pine Ridge Reservation in South Dakota. Yet the name and only a few details could easily be changed to describe a host of others; Dineh (Navajo), Ute Mountain Ute, Tohono O'odham, Pima, Yaqui, Ojibwa, Chippewa, the list is long.

But despite nearly-insurmountable conditions, few resources, and against unbelievable odds, Nation after Nation of Indigenous leaders and their people are working hard to counteract decades of oppression and forced destruction of their cultures to bring their citizens back to a life of self-respect and self-sufficiency in today's world.



Below are further in depth statistics of Pine Ridge

IN DEPTH STATISTICS

* The Pine Ridge Oglala Lakota (Sioux) Indian Reservation sits in Bennett, Jackson, and Shannon Counties and is located in the southwest corner of South Dakota, fifty miles east of the Wyoming border.

* The 11,000-square mile (over 2 million acres) Oglala Lakota Pine Ridge Reservation is the second-largest Native American Reservation within the United States. It is roughly the size of the State of Connecticut.

* The Reservation is divided into eight districts: Eagle Nest, Pass Creek, Wakpamni, LaCreek, Pine Ridge, White Clay, Medicine Root, Porcupine, and Wounded Knee.

* The topography of the Pine Ridge Reservation includes badlands, rolling grassland hills, dryland prairie, and areas dotted with pine trees.

* According to the 1998 Bureau of Indian Affairs Census, the Pine Ridge Reservation is home to approximately 40,000 persons, 35% of which are under the age of 16. Approximately half the residents of the Reservation are registered tribal members of the Oglala Lakota Nation.

* The population is steadily rising, despite the severe conditions on the Reservation, as more and more Oglala Lakota return home from far-away cities in order to live within their societal values, be with their families, and assist with the revitalization of their culture and their Nation.

* Recent reports point out that the median income on the Pine Ridge Reservation is approximately $2,600 per year.

* The unemployment rate vacillates from 85% to 95% on the Reservation.

* There is no industry, technology, or commercial infrastructure on the Reservation to provide employment.

* The nearest town of size (which provides some jobs for those few persons able to travel the distance) is Rapid City, South Dakota with approximately 57,000 residents. It is located approximately 120 miles from the Reservation. The nearest large city to Pine Ridge is Denver, Colorado located about 350 miles away.

* Some figures state that the life expectancy on the Reservation is 48 years old for men and 52 for women. Other reports state that the average life expectancy on the Reservation is 45 years old. With either set of figures, that's the shortest life expectancy for a community anywhere in the Western Hemisphere outside Haiti, according to The Wall Street Journal.

* Teenage suicide rate on the Pine Ridge Reservation is 150% higher than the U.S. national average for this age group.

* The infant mortality rate is the highest on this continent and is about 300% higher than the U.S. national average.

* More than half the Reservation's adults battle addiction and disease. Alcoholism, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, and malnutrition are rampant.


* The rate of diabetes on the Reservation is reported to be 800% higher than the U.S. national average.

* Recent reports indicate that almost 50% of the adults on the Reservation over the age of 40 have diabetes. Over 37% of population is diabetic.

* As a result of the high rate of diabetes on the Reservation, diabetic-related blindness, amputations, and kidney failure are common.

* The tuberculosis rate on the Pine Ridge Reservation is approximately 800% higher than the U.S. national average.

* Cervical cancer is 500% higher than the U.S. national average.

* Each winter, Reservation Elders are found dead from hypothermia (freezing).

* It is reported that at least 60% of the homes on the Pine Ridge Reservation are infested with Black Mold, Stachybotrys. This infestation causes an often-fatal condition with infants, children, elderly, those with damaged immune systems, and those with lung and pulmonary conditions at the highest risk. Exposure to this mold can cause hemorrhaging of the lungs and brain as well as cancer.

* Many Reservation residents live without health care due to vast travel distances involved in accessing that care. Additional factors include under-funded, under-staffed medical facilities and outdated or non-existent medical equipment. There is little hope for increased funding for Indian health care.

* Preventive healthcare programs are rare.

* In most of the treaties between the U.S. Government and Indian Nations, the U.S. government agreed to provide adequate medical care for Indians in return for vast quantities of land. The Indian Health Services (IHS) was set up to administer the health care for Indians under these treaties and receives an appropriation each year to fund Indian health care. Unfortunately, the appropriation is very small compared to the need. The IHS is understaffed and ill-equipped and can't possibly address the needs of Indian communities. Nowhere is this more apparent than on the Pine Ridge Reservation.

* School drop-out rate is over 70%.

* According to a Bureau of Indian Affairs report, the Pine Ridge Reservation schools are in the bottom 10% of school funding by U.S. Department of Education and the Bureau of Indian Affairs.

* Teacher turnover is 800% that of the U.S. national average

* The small Tribal Housing Authority homes on the Pine Ridge Reservation are so overcrowded and scarce that many homeless families often use tents or cars for shelter. Many families live in shacks, old trailers, or dilapidated mobile homes.

* There is a large homeless population on the Reservation, but most families never turn away a relative no matter how distant the blood relation. Consequently, many homes have large numbers of people living in them.

* There is an estimated average of 17 people living in each family home (a home which may only have two to three rooms). Some homes, built for 6 to 8 people, have up to 30 people living in them.

* 60% of Reservation families have no telephone.

* Over 33% of the Reservation homes lack basic water and sewage systems as well as electricity.

* Many residents must carry (often contaminated) water from the local rivers daily for their personal needs.

* 39% of the homes on the Pine Ridge Reservation have no electricity.

* 59% of the Reservation homes are substandard.

* It is reported that at least 60% of the homes on the Pine Ridge Reservation need to be burned to the ground and replaced with new housing due to infestation of the potentially-fatal Black Mold, Stachybotrys. There is no insurance or government program to assist families in replacing their homes.

* Some Reservation families are forced to sleep on dirt floors.

* Many Reservation homes lack adequate insulation. Even more homes lack central heating.

* Without basic insulation or central heating in their homes, many residents on the Pine Ridge Reservation use their ovens to heat their homes.

* Many Reservation homes lack stoves, refrigerators, beds, and/or basic furniture.

* Most Reservation families live in rural and often isolated areas.

* The largest town on the Reservation is the town of Pine Ridge which has a population of approximately 5,720 people and is the administrative center for the Reservation.

* There are few improved roads on the Reservation and many of the homes are inaccessible during times of heavy snow or rain.

* Weather is extreme on the Reservation. Severe winds are always a factor. Traditionally, summer temperatures reach well over 110*F and winters bring bitter cold with temperatures that can reach -50*F below zero or worse. Flooding, tornados, or wildfires are always a risk.

* Many of the wells and much of the water and land on the Reservation is contaminated with pesticides and other poisons from farming, mining, open dumps, and commercial and governmental mining operations outside the Reservation. A further source of contamination is buried ordnance and hazardous materials from closed U.S. military bombing ranges on the Reservation.

* The Pine Ridge Reservation still has no banks, motels, discount stores, or movie theaters. It has only one grocery store of any moderate size and it is located in the town of Pine Ridge on the Reservation.

* Several of the banks and lending institutions nearest to the Reservation were recently targeted for investigation of fraudulent or predatory lending practices, with the citizens of the Pine Ridge Reservation as their victims.

* There are no public libraries except one at the Oglala Lakota College of the reservation.

* There is no public transportation available on the Reservation.

* Ownership of operable automobiles by residents of the Reservation is highly limited.

* Predominate form of travel for all ages on the Reservation is walking or hitchhiking.

* There is one very small airport on the Reservation servicing both the Pine Ridge Reservation and Shannon County. It's longest, paved runway extends 4,969 feet. There are no commercial flights available.

* There is one radio station on the Pine Ridge Reservation. KILI 90.1FM is located near the town of Porcupine on the Reservation.

* Alcoholism affects eight out of ten families on the Reservation.

* The death rate from alcohol-related problems on the Reservation is 300% higher than the remaining US population.

* The Oglala Lakota Nation has prohibited the sale and possession of alcohol on the Pine Ridge Reservation since the early 1970's. However, the town of Whiteclay, Nebraska (which sits 400 yards off the Reservation border in a contested "buffer" zone) has approximately 14 residents and four liquor stores which sell over 4.1 million cans of beer each year resulting in a $3million annual trade. Unlike other Nebraska communities, Whiteclay exists only to sell liquor and make money. It has no schools, no churches, no civic organizations, no parks, no benches, no public bathrooms, no fire service and no law enforcement. Tribal officials have repeatedly pleaded with the State of Nebraska to close these liquor stores or enforce the State laws regulating liquor stores but have been consistently refused.

* Scientific studies show that the High Plains/Oglala Aquifer which begins underneath the Pine Ridge Reservation is predicted to run dry within the next thirty years, possibly as early as the year 2005, due to commercial interest use and dryland farming in numerous states south of the Reservation. This critical North American underground water resource is not renewable at anything near the present consumption rate. The recent years of drought have simply accelerated the problem.

* Scientific studies show that much of the High Plains/Oglala Aquifer has been contaminated with farming pesticides and commercial, factory, mining, and industrial contaminants in the States of South Dakota, Wyoming, Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and Texas.

* The Tribal nations are considered to have sovereign governmental status and have a government to government relationship with the United States. The Oglala Lakota Sioux Tribal government operates under a constitution consistent with the Indian Reorganization Act of 1934 and approved by the Tribal membership and Tribal Council of the Oglala Lakota Sioux Tribe. The Tribe is governed by an elected body consisting of a 5 member Executive Committee and an 18 member Tribal Council, all of whom serve a four year term.

It sounds to me like there needs to be greater funding rather than less. As for money generated by the casinos, why isn't it distributed in such a way that conditions can improve?

Throwing money at socialism makes things much worse, see above.
Socialism only sounds good to progressive fools...

The long list of great things about Denmark says you are wrong.

It can't work over here, you are comparing apples to oranges. Millions of people would perish from such a socialist backwards system...

That doesn't make sense, it would work better in a bigger economy.

Na, more people - more deadbeats to support.

 

[JimBowie1958]

For responsible people socialism is the way backwards...

Except that the actual track record, moderate amounts of socialism in the form of the Nordic model are quite successful and more successful than the corporate crony capitalism we run here in the USA.

 

[JimBowie1958]

A rebutal to one set of lies going around about Denmark' economy.

Brutal Meme Reveals Truth About European Socialist Countries?

A reliable estimate of the average salary for teachers in Denmark is somewhat tricky to calculate due to variables such as tenure and location. However, a 2014 estimate provided an income figure of just under $42,000 per year for Danish teachers (not $61,000). And it's slightly simplistic to say all healthcare is free in Denmark, as the cost of medical care varies depending upon residency status and coverage level.

The rebuttal also states that the minimum income tax is 40% in Denmark (where tax revenue indeed comprised 48.6% of the country's GDP in 2013). Taxpayers in Denmark are subject to a progressive taxstructure under which total taxes are between 41 to 56 percent of income [PDF]:....

Another portion of the meme indicated that Denmark's citizens were "deeply dependent" on welfare to survive, but the country's unemployment rate of 6.3% was not much higher than the United States' 5.3% in the same period.....

Definitively selecting a single country to claim the title of "highest-taxed" is a slippery endeavor, as thestructure of taxation varies significantly from one country to the next. Reports on taxes across the globe (including a popular annual data set released by firm PwC) almost never declare any one country the most-taxed (in a vacuum). Myriad confounding factors (such as relative cost of living, and whether social programs cover basic needs like healthcare) render a binary comparison of that description virtually meaningless. However, a list titled "These are the 19 countries with the highest tax rates in the world" (based on the World Economic Forum's latest Global Competitiveness Report), published on 8 October2015 didn't include Denmark among countries listed.

By the metric of income tax rates, Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) data for 2015 placed Denmark third-highest (behind Belgium and Germany). Similar, earlier data rankedDenmark behind France, Italy, and Croatia. As such, Denmark doesn't even have the highest tax rate in Europe (much less the world)....

In 2013 Denmark's home ownership rate was roughly 63% (versus a comparable 65% in the U.S.), making the statement that "most residents would never own a home" not very accurate. Similarly, recent OECD data indicated that there are 70 cars for every 100 Danes (indicating car ownership may be expensive, but it isn't rare)....

According to the World Health Organization (WHO)'s most recent statistics, Denmark's suicide rate was 8.8 people per 100,000 (versus 12.1 per 100,000 in the United States) in 2012. WHO data from roughly a decade ago reported a suicide rate of 11.9 per 100,000 people in Denmark (versus 11.0 in the United States). While the U.S. and Denmark maintained similar rates of suicide per capita in years past, Denmark's suicide rate was markedly lower than that of the States by 2012 (and didn't appear to ever have been three times as high).

 

[JimBowie1958]

Na, more people - more deadbeats to support.

Yeah because you will never grow old, become sick or disabled or see your skill set become obsolete before you are ready for retirement.

That shit only happens to other people because you are not a victim, right?

roflmao

 

[Skull Pilot]

There's the equivalent of the federal income tax which tops out at 56% and every town city and municipality also taxes income those rates range from 20-27%

If you live in Copenhagen the municipal tax rate is 24% added to the governmental income tax. And then there's that 25% sales tax

Yeah great place to work if you want most of your money going to the fucking government to pay for lazy fucks like Billy here

You dont even know any of these people in Denmark on the dole and yet you know that they are all a bunch of lazy fucks?

That is ideology shitting in your mind. You are possessed like a Pod Person, you need to break your brain out of that mold, friend.

There is no reason life has to be dog eat dog.

If you are able to work and are on the dole you are indeed a lazy fuck

 

[Wyatt earp]

Billy, feel free to move there.

Surely it's someone's right to talk about politics, and if it's their right to do so, then surely it's their right to talk about politics and even encourage the sort of politics they desire.

Good thing we have the 1st amendment which denmark clearly don't, don't ya think?

Anyone is entitled to in print, writing and speech to publish his or hers thoughts, yet under responsibility to the courts. Censorship and other preventive measures can never again be introduced

Freedom of speech and freedom of the press in Denmark - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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[Brain357]

It sounds to me like there needs to be greater funding rather than less. As for money generated by the casinos, why isn't it distributed in such a way that conditions can improve?

Throwing money at socialism makes things much worse, see above.
Socialism only sounds good to progressive fools...

The long list of great things about Denmark says you are wrong.

It can't work over here, you are comparing apples to oranges. Millions of people would perish from such a socialist backwards system...

That doesn't make sense, it would work better in a bigger economy.

Na, more people - more deadbeats to support.

Denmark has a good economy actually. Low unemployment.