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Every single one of which is known to and studied by the very experts you disagree with.

Yes, every single thing that resulted in the planet cooling for 50 million years is still working today.

 

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That's just wrong. What do you think the AMOC and the Gulf Stream do? They carry warm water up to the north Atlantic.

Plate tectonics affected that too but the single biggest driver of earth's climate is bipolar glaciation.

 

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No it doesn't. The very reason we know that modern warming is largely due to human activity is because of paleoclimate studies.



Every single one of which is known to and studied by the very experts you disagree with.




That's just wrong. What do you think the AMOC and the Gulf Stream do? They carry warm water up to the north Atlantic.

You might wish to check with more experts who study this sort of thing:

Ocean currents

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You seem to be under the mistaken impression that ANYONE thinks that CO2 is the ONLY driver for temperature on the earth and in the earth's history. It is not. It is far from it.

And there are no experts who think that it is.

Tell that to the IPCC models which tune out every single natural variation in temperature.

 

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It is great that you think the earth is only 5 million years old.

 

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And each of those wiggles there in the history of the earth has a LOT more definition than this cartoon shows. It also has REASONS for it.

The problem is: you accept ALL. of those reasons except one of them.

And that one is the only one that implicates you.

Why do you ignore that one reason? You don't have problems with ocean current changes or orbital forcings or solar forcings....but you have a SERIOUS problem with human forcings.

 

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Tell that to the IPCC models which tune out every single natural variation in temperature.

Please show me an "IPCC Model". I am unaware of any models made by the IPCC.

Thanks.

 

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Yes, every single thing that resulted in the planet cooling for 50 million years is still working today.

Why do you focus on cooling? Why not on the warming we see?

What seems to be happening here is you are looking at a time series that has both a secular trend and overlying shorter term trends (sometimes called "seasonality", not to be confused with annual seasons, but it's a statistics term for shorter term events).

You wish to filter out the seasonality and focus ONLY on the secular trend. That allows you to make larger overall points but ignores the details that are most important on OUR time scales.

No one really thinks AGW is going to "Destroy the earth"....the earth will be just fine. It's us that don't have a guaranteed seat at the table.

 

[Leo123]

Surprise surprise. Never heard about this one on the news. In a protest against human caused global warming, Wynn Bruce set himself on fire on the steps of the Supreme Court. He later died from his injuries at the hospital. I remember seeing something once about a Buddhist monk in Vietnam who set himsef on fire to protest the Vietnam war. That apparently made the news. But Wynn Bruce, who also happened to be a Buddhist, nothing. From what I see, there are many around here who think human caused global warming is a hoax. Are you as sure as Wynn Bruce was convinced that it is a reality?

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The guy had to be mentally ill. What a waste.

 

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Plate tectonics affected that too but the single biggest driver of earth's climate is bipolar glaciation.

Your focus on bipolar glaciation is interesting, but it doesn't explain the warming we are seeing now.

It just doesn't. There is no "cooling" going on. We are warming. It is nearly impossible to argue against it.

 

[Leo123]

That may be true. As far as getting the mentally diseased to take notice of the issue. But at least he tried to bring some attention to the matter.

What 'matter?' AGW is an unproven hypothesis. No one yet has devised and experiment where humans can control global climate.

 

[Leo123]

Your focus on bipolar glaciation is interesting, but it doesn't explain the warming we are seeing now.

It just doesn't. There is no "cooling" going on. We are warming. It is nearly impossible to argue against it.

Thank God there is 'no cooling going on!" Ice ages KILL. Warming encourages life.

 

[Leo123]

Look at the kamikaze's who killed themselves for their emperor. Was their cause just? Or look at of all the muslim jihadists who blew themselves up in order to kill others. Was their cause just? He may not have been right in doing so, but at least Wynn Bruce killed himself over a noble cause.

He killed himself for a lie. Just like those Kamikazes.

 

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Thank God there is 'no cooling going on!" Ice ages KILL. Warming encourages life.

The only reason you that ice ages exist is because of the same science that tells our current warming is real and largely due to humans.

 

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He killed himself for a lie.

I love how you guys don't just "disagree" with something....that thing has to be "lie".

Why is that? When you disagree with someone is it because you are LYING to them?

 

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And each of those wiggles there in the history of the earth has a LOT more definition than this cartoon shows. It also has REASONS for it.

The problem is: you accept ALL. of those reasons except one of them.

And that one is the only one that implicates you.

Why do you ignore that one reason? You don't have problems with ocean current changes or orbital forcings or solar forcings....but you have a SERIOUS problem with human forcings.

The planet has been cooling for over 50 million years because the planet is uniquely configured to cool (polar regions isolated from warm marine currents) and that was despite higher levels of atmospheric CO2 than today. The planet cooled BECAUSE of evaporative cooling, cloud reflection, decreasing water vapor from cloud formation, decreasing water vapor in the upper troposphere, increased heat flow into outer space and increased ocean mixing sequestering extra heat in the deep ocean. Which are all still applicable today.

 

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Please show me an "IPCC Model". I am unaware of any models made by the IPCC.

Thanks.

I would distance myself from them too if I were you. Tuning out natural variations is circular logic.

 

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Why do you focus on cooling? Why not on the warming we see?

What seems to be happening here is you are looking at a time series that has both a secular trend and overlying shorter term trends (sometimes called "seasonality", not to be confused with annual seasons, but it's a statistics term for shorter term events).

You wish to filter out the seasonality and focus ONLY on the secular trend. That allows you to make larger overall points but ignores the details that are most important on OUR time scales.

No one really thinks AGW is going to "Destroy the earth"....the earth will be just fine. It's us that don't have a guaranteed seat at the table.

It probably has something to do with the 50 million year trend of cooling.

 

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Your focus on bipolar glaciation is interesting, but it doesn't explain the warming we are seeing now.

It just doesn't. There is no "cooling" going on. We are warming. It is nearly impossible to argue against it.

You have to exclude the urban temperature stations and use the high variability solar output dataset to see it.

I know you believe that red line will continue like that but it won't. Climate fluctuations and environmental uncertainty are hallmarks of our bipolar glaciated world.

 

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No, it is about a mentally defective person, who sadly acted upon his derangement and committed suicide in a sad effort to draw attention to a non issue.

What makes you think he was mentally defective. Though being a Buddhist, as with any religion, does put a person more in the mentally defective category. He committed suicide in probably the most painful way to bring attention to a real and urgent issue. Despite what you "think." In comparison, for an example, look at the followers of the Heaven's Gate cult. A bunch of them committed suicide so they could catch a ride in a UFO that they thought was in the tail of a comet that happened to be passing by at the time. Surely you must at least admit that Wynn Bruce's motivations for suicide was far more sane than that.

 

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The planet has been cooling for over 50 million years because the planet is uniquely configured to cool (polar regions isolated from warm marine currents)

Again, you have been shown your error. The ocean currents pump heat up to the Arctic.

It really feels like you are unfamiliar with ocean currents and the complexity of the ocean. That's understandable but to just wave your hands and make that statement isn't technically correct and doesn't really have any meaning.

and that was despite higher levels of atmospheric CO2 than today. The planet cooled BECAUSE of evaporative cooling, cloud reflection, decreasing water vapor from cloud formation, decreasing water vapor in the upper troposphere, increased heat flow into outer space and increased ocean mixing sequestering extra heat in the deep ocean. Which are all still applicable today.

That is a LOT of hand-waving. Nothing particularly meaningful to the discussion. Just broad brush listing of climate forcings.