A Comicbook Perspective of the Muslim Immigration Issue

[TemplarKormac]

And, I'm not sure what the refugee vetting process has to do with this situation at all.
Neither of them were refugees.

While Malik wasn't a "refugee" per se, she was granted a K-1 visa without being properly vetted. If that can happen with visa applicants, just imagine what could happen with refugees.

 

[Kosh]

That doesn't matter.

THEY were Islamic radicals. Farook was given his due process rights as an natural born American citizen via a bullet through his skull. Malik was not a citizen, who came here on a K-1 visa, she radicalized Farook, and like Farook was given her right to due process with a bullet through her skull. The vetting process doesn't work. It didn't help that political correctness played a role in shutting down an FBI investigation into Farook and Malik which could have stopped them dead in their tracks.

Well...that's a new take on due process for an American citizen...summary execution.
I hope you never criticised the drone strikes on US citizens overseas.

And, I'm not sure what the refugee vetting process has to do with this situation at all.
Neither of them were refugees.

Obama who you voted for twice has done away with "Due Process", that religious narrative is so pre 2009..

And this is from a far left source:

The Day 'Due Process' Died: Obama, Holder and the End of Rights

Really?
No Due Process under the law applies in the US any more?
I'd love you to quote the EO, or Supreme Court ruling or anything to support that.

Or, as I suspect you will, you could just keep up your one-trick mindless insults.

Proceed as you will...

The far left drone does not even read the link to a far left source that answers their question..

Click the link to the far left common dreams website, or do I have to post more links to more far left sources?

ACLU: Hey, sure, let’s strip constitutional rights without due process!

Opinion pieces?
Drrrooonnne........

And the far left drones reject their own sources when faced with the truth..

Can the President Legally Kill Americans?

 

[gallantwarrior]

Let's start with the cvnt who murdered 14 people in SB, CA.

Yeah uh -- he was a US citizen. By birth.

That doesn't matter.

THEY were Islamic radicals. Farook was given his due process rights as an natural born American citizen via a bullet through his skull. Malik was not a citizen, who came here on a K-1 visa, she radicalized Farook, and like Farook was given her right to due process with a bullet through her skull. The vetting process doesn't work. It didn't help that political correctness played a role in shutting down an FBI investigation into Farook and Malik which could have stopped them dead in their tracks.

Well...that's a new take on due process for an American citizen...summary execution.
I hope you never criticised the drone strikes on US citizens overseas.

And, I'm not sure what the refugee vetting process has to do with this situation at all.
Neither of them were refugees.

Obama who you voted for twice has done away with "Due Process", that religious narrative is so pre 2009..

And this is from a far left source:

The Day 'Due Process' Died: Obama, Holder and the End of Rights

Really?
No Due Process under the law applies in the US any more?
I'd love you to quote the EO, or Supreme Court ruling or anything to support that.

Or, as I suspect you will, you could just keep up your one-trick mindless insults.

Proceed as you will...

And you are an expert about US due process?

 

[TemplarKormac]

And you are an expert about US due process?

Maybe idb should master the thought process before lecturing others on due process.

 

[Gracie]

I am waiting for some horrific thing to happen close and personal to those who continue to find excuses for radical muslims that terrorize...either in San Bern or Santa Barbara or Billings Montana or Lubbock Texas or Coos Bay Oregon or Cottonwood Arizona or (I think you get the drift. Insert town/city name here_______________). Be they will be singing a different tune then.

 

[idb]

Well...that's a new take on due process for an American citizen...summary execution.
I hope you never criticized the drone strikes on US citizens overseas.

Well, this isn't Star Trek, you couldn't just transport them to a courtroom while they were killing people, now could you? When you start killing people, and pose an imminent threat to others around you, while possessing the intent to further continue killing people, your due process rights go bye bye. Those cops become judge, jury and executioner. You are now an armed and dangerous individual that must be stopped by any means necessary. Your death would be a sufficient response and recompense in that scenario.

That is not "summary execution" that is all due diligence in mitigating a threat. Learn to tell the difference.

You said that they got 'due process' which you identified as a bullet to the head.
Now you're saying that they gave up their right to due process.
So is 'due process' a bullet to the head or not?

 

[Gracie]

idb is just trolling. Ignore it. Like a fly, maybe it will go away.

 

[idb]

And you are an expert about US due process?

Maybe idb should master the thought process before lecturing others on due process.

Yeah uh -- he was a US citizen. By birth.

That doesn't matter.

THEY were Islamic radicals. Farook was given his due process rights as an natural born American citizen via a bullet through his skull. Malik was not a citizen, who came here on a K-1 visa, she radicalized Farook, and like Farook was given her right to due process with a bullet through her skull. The vetting process doesn't work. It didn't help that political correctness played a role in shutting down an FBI investigation into Farook and Malik which could have stopped them dead in their tracks.

Well...that's a new take on due process for an American citizen...summary execution.
I hope you never criticised the drone strikes on US citizens overseas.

And, I'm not sure what the refugee vetting process has to do with this situation at all.
Neither of them were refugees.

Obama who you voted for twice has done away with "Due Process", that religious narrative is so pre 2009..

And this is from a far left source:

The Day 'Due Process' Died: Obama, Holder and the End of Rights

Really?
No Due Process under the law applies in the US any more?
I'd love you to quote the EO, or Supreme Court ruling or anything to support that.

Or, as I suspect you will, you could just keep up your one-trick mindless insults.

Proceed as you will...

And you are an expert about US due process?

No.
Are you?

 

[idb]

And you are an expert about US due process?

Maybe idb should master the thought process before lecturing others on due process.

Lecturing?
I'm simply asking questions and eager to learn.
You're obviously the expert so I've come to you.

 

[Kosh]

And you are an expert about US due process?

Maybe idb should master the thought process before lecturing others on due process.

Lecturing?
I'm simply asking questions and eager to learn.
You're obviously the expert so I've come to you.

Far left drones can not learn anything beyond their programming as you and the others keep proving!

 

[TemplarKormac]

Attacking and killing unaffiliated civilians does not warrant hatred? I.e. murders in Paris, murders in Santa Barbara?

Santa Barbara?

2014 Isla Vista killings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[gallantwarrior]

idb is just trolling. Ignore it. Like a fly, maybe it will go away.

True that! Idb is resident in a place where muslim immigrants are non existent.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And you are an expert about US due process?

Maybe idb should master the thought process before lecturing others on due process.

Lecturing?
I'm simply asking questions and eager to learn.
You're obviously the expert so I've come to you.

Yes, yes, and your smartassery shows just how eager you really are. And since I do study in depth case law on due process, I do believe and consider myself knowledgeable on the subject, and superior to you in that regard.

 

[Seawytch]

Farook was not an immigrant.

But Malik was. And she had a direct effect on Farook. Her being vetted properly and denied a K-1 visa may have stopped her from radicalizing Farook, thus preventing the ensuing carnage.

Simple cause and effect.

You're not keeping up on current events. Farook was radicalized before meeting her.

 

[Wildman]

I see absolutely no reason why we should not shut down immigration into this country until we have a good, solid handle on who (and what) we are allowing to immigrate.

"we have a very rigid vetting process", is what i heard some liberfool talking slopehead say yesterday, this might have been true in the early 20th century, but today....,

 

[Wildman]

Is it not a fact that whatever Hitler...

why do you liberscum keep bringing up your hero? "Hitler".., next it will be Stalin, PolPot, etc.

 

[Freewill]

 

[aaronleland]

Take a look at these two pictures. The first one below is of the WWII comicbook edition of Captain America, who is depicted on the cover socking it to Adolf Hitler, easily seen as war propaganda, but it drew support for the war effort:

This is a parody of the above cover, fan art, depicting a Muslim Woman "Ms. Marvel" apparently socking it to Trump, clearly depicting him in the same way as Adolph Hitler, with "Faux News" on a display on the wall in the background. It says that it is a "bigot busting drawing." As can be deduced, the artist is taking a shot at Trump's positions on Muslim Immigration:

This is my take.

This drawing has less to do with Captain America punching Hitler as it does with encouraging members of Islam to be hostile and/or violent towards him. It's free speech, but this is a bit much.

This could have the unintended effect of being used by terrorist groups like ISIS to recruit other radicals to their side. If it's bigoted to believe that Muslims should be temporarily forbidden to immigrate here, then it is also bigoted to encourage hatred of those who support such an idea.

Bigotry is an indifference to a group of people or a set of beliefs. There's bigotry on both ends.

And as for the Hitler comparison, Trump is only asking for a halt on Muslims immigrating into America, he didn't kill 6 million of them. Nor is he suggesting that he intends to commit genocide against the Islamic religion. To compare his policy stances to the policies of a genocidal maniac who was responsible for the death of nearly 6 million people is a bit of a stretch.

You can always win brownie points by comparing someone like Donald Trump to Hitler if you don't like their opinions, but just make sure you research history before you do. It is never okay to compare someone to Hitler. Hitler murdered millions of people. Trump never will. What gives you the impression that anyone on that debate stage tonight, much less Trump, would advocate for the murder of millions of Muslims?

Someone will say, "Well Trump encourages hatred just by the way he speaks and portrays himself to the public and media. I honestly don't think he needs help in that department."

Well, like grammaw says to me sometimes:

"Two wrongs don't make a right."

So, just because Trump is supposedly encouraging hatred of Islam, doesn't mean it's right to react with hatred towards him or any of his supporters who back such an idea. I see enough of this kind of stuff regarding gay rights. The viciousness some people exhibit towards others who believe differently than they do is disheartening.

Then again, someone else mentioned to me earlier today "He didn't kill anybody. But Hitler did start somewhere. A lot of people who have been nothing but upstanding Americans have suddenly felt as if they've been targeted, perhaps indirectly. Even if he's calling for a ban on immigrants only, American Muslims are now being looked at as being guilty by association. "

So, Trump isn't capable of carrying out such an atrocity. Nor is he calling for a direct ban on immigrants. He talks tough, but he won't channel Hitler and send Muslims in America to extermination camps. To say that "Hitler did start somewhere" as it regards to Trump is an uncalled for insinuation. It's nonsense. It's intellectually dishonest.

As far as all upstanding Muslims are concerned, I understand. But members of Islam living here in America have only the radicals in their faith overseas to blame for the negative sentiment being displayed towards them. The same happened on 9/11.

No, there are upstanding Muslims everywhere in America, and the only way to combat the hatred is to stand up and say "I condemn those radicals, they do not represent my faith!" They need to do what they can to distance themselves from it.

Some will tell me I'm hating on Islam. Far from it. Even if I'm preaching hatred of a religion, then the cartoon mirrors the sentiment by encouraging hatred of people who A) Watch Fox News, thus Republicans, and B) Anyone who supports Trump's idea, thus once more, Republicans, or people who support Donald Trump. Anyone with any sense of deductive reasoning can see what the artist is trying to convey. A simple look at the imagery used in the picture will tell you that.

Some will assert that I'm defending Donald Trump. Most certainly not. I'm rubbing against the grain of public opinion here when I say Trump's proposals on Muslim immigration are extremely incorrect. It is an overreaction. And that's not a valid way, nor is it the only way. There are plenty of other ways to handle it.

People can believe what they want, whichever way they want. But hatred is not inherent to one group or religion. It's human nature.

Funny you bring up Captain America to talk about Trump. Maybe you've never read anything about Captain America. His powers are lame compared to other heroes and he's often tacky and boring, but the one thing he never wavers on is his devotion to America's principles and the ideas that America stands for. He'd sock Trump the same as Hitler.

Captain America was the main opponent of the Superhuman Registration Act. Correct me Harry Dresden if I'm wrong in my wording. Superhumans were forced to register with the government based on the few who abused their powers. A large group of people being forced to register with the government based on what a few of them have done? Sounds like Trump's plan for Muslims.

 

[Seawytch]

Take a look at these two pictures. The first one below is of the WWII comicbook edition of Captain America, who is depicted on the cover socking it to Adolf Hitler, easily seen as war propaganda, but it drew support for the war effort:

This is a parody of the above cover, fan art, depicting a Muslim Woman "Ms. Marvel" apparently socking it to Trump, clearly depicting him in the same way as Adolph Hitler, with "Faux News" on a display on the wall in the background. It says that it is a "bigot busting drawing." As can be deduced, the artist is taking a shot at Trump's positions on Muslim Immigration:

This is my take.

This drawing has less to do with Captain America punching Hitler as it does with encouraging members of Islam to be hostile and/or violent towards him. It's free speech, but this is a bit much.

This could have the unintended effect of being used by terrorist groups like ISIS to recruit other radicals to their side. If it's bigoted to believe that Muslims should be temporarily forbidden to immigrate here, then it is also bigoted to encourage hatred of those who support such an idea.

Bigotry is an indifference to a group of people or a set of beliefs. There's bigotry on both ends.

And as for the Hitler comparison, Trump is only asking for a halt on Muslims immigrating into America, he didn't kill 6 million of them. Nor is he suggesting that he intends to commit genocide against the Islamic religion. To compare his policy stances to the policies of a genocidal maniac who was responsible for the death of nearly 6 million people is a bit of a stretch.

You can always win brownie points by comparing someone like Donald Trump to Hitler if you don't like their opinions, but just make sure you research history before you do. It is never okay to compare someone to Hitler. Hitler murdered millions of people. Trump never will. What gives you the impression that anyone on that debate stage tonight, much less Trump, would advocate for the murder of millions of Muslims?

Someone will say, "Well Trump encourages hatred just by the way he speaks and portrays himself to the public and media. I honestly don't think he needs help in that department."

Well, like grammaw says to me sometimes:

"Two wrongs don't make a right."

So, just because Trump is supposedly encouraging hatred of Islam, doesn't mean it's right to react with hatred towards him or any of his supporters who back such an idea. I see enough of this kind of stuff regarding gay rights. The viciousness some people exhibit towards others who believe differently than they do is disheartening.

Then again, someone else mentioned to me earlier today "He didn't kill anybody. But Hitler did start somewhere. A lot of people who have been nothing but upstanding Americans have suddenly felt as if they've been targeted, perhaps indirectly. Even if he's calling for a ban on immigrants only, American Muslims are now being looked at as being guilty by association. "

So, Trump isn't capable of carrying out such an atrocity. Nor is he calling for a direct ban on immigrants. He talks tough, but he won't channel Hitler and send Muslims in America to extermination camps. To say that "Hitler did start somewhere" as it regards to Trump is an uncalled for insinuation. It's nonsense. It's intellectually dishonest.

As far as all upstanding Muslims are concerned, I understand. But members of Islam living here in America have only the radicals in their faith overseas to blame for the negative sentiment being displayed towards them. The same happened on 9/11.

No, there are upstanding Muslims everywhere in America, and the only way to combat the hatred is to stand up and say "I condemn those radicals, they do not represent my faith!" They need to do what they can to distance themselves from it.

Some will tell me I'm hating on Islam. Far from it. Even if I'm preaching hatred of a religion, then the cartoon mirrors the sentiment by encouraging hatred of people who A) Watch Fox News, thus Republicans, and B) Anyone who supports Trump's idea, thus once more, Republicans, or people who support Donald Trump. Anyone with any sense of deductive reasoning can see what the artist is trying to convey. A simple look at the imagery used in the picture will tell you that.

Some will assert that I'm defending Donald Trump. Most certainly not. I'm rubbing against the grain of public opinion here when I say Trump's proposals on Muslim immigration are extremely incorrect. It is an overreaction. And that's not a valid way, nor is it the only way. There are plenty of other ways to handle it.

People can believe what they want, whichever way they want. But hatred is not inherent to one group or religion. It's human nature.

Funny you bring up Captain America to talk about Trump. Maybe you've never read anything about Captain America. His powers are lame compared to other heroes and he's often tacky and boring, but the one thing he never wavers on is his devotion to America's principles and the ideas that America stands for. He'd sock Trump the same as Hitler.

Captain America was the main opponent of the Superhuman Registration Act. Correct me Harry Dresden if I'm wrong in my wording. Superhumans were forced to register with the government based on the few who abused their powers. A large group of people being forced to register with the government based on what a few of them have done? Sounds like Trump's plan for Muslims.

Wow...the GOP on the wrong side of Captain America? Say it isn't so!!!

 

[aaronleland]

Take a look at these two pictures. The first one below is of the WWII comicbook edition of Captain America, who is depicted on the cover socking it to Adolf Hitler, easily seen as war propaganda, but it drew support for the war effort:

This is a parody of the above cover, fan art, depicting a Muslim Woman "Ms. Marvel" apparently socking it to Trump, clearly depicting him in the same way as Adolph Hitler, with "Faux News" on a display on the wall in the background. It says that it is a "bigot busting drawing." As can be deduced, the artist is taking a shot at Trump's positions on Muslim Immigration:

This is my take.

This drawing has less to do with Captain America punching Hitler as it does with encouraging members of Islam to be hostile and/or violent towards him. It's free speech, but this is a bit much.

This could have the unintended effect of being used by terrorist groups like ISIS to recruit other radicals to their side. If it's bigoted to believe that Muslims should be temporarily forbidden to immigrate here, then it is also bigoted to encourage hatred of those who support such an idea.

Bigotry is an indifference to a group of people or a set of beliefs. There's bigotry on both ends.

And as for the Hitler comparison, Trump is only asking for a halt on Muslims immigrating into America, he didn't kill 6 million of them. Nor is he suggesting that he intends to commit genocide against the Islamic religion. To compare his policy stances to the policies of a genocidal maniac who was responsible for the death of nearly 6 million people is a bit of a stretch.

You can always win brownie points by comparing someone like Donald Trump to Hitler if you don't like their opinions, but just make sure you research history before you do. It is never okay to compare someone to Hitler. Hitler murdered millions of people. Trump never will. What gives you the impression that anyone on that debate stage tonight, much less Trump, would advocate for the murder of millions of Muslims?

Someone will say, "Well Trump encourages hatred just by the way he speaks and portrays himself to the public and media. I honestly don't think he needs help in that department."

Well, like grammaw says to me sometimes:

"Two wrongs don't make a right."

So, just because Trump is supposedly encouraging hatred of Islam, doesn't mean it's right to react with hatred towards him or any of his supporters who back such an idea. I see enough of this kind of stuff regarding gay rights. The viciousness some people exhibit towards others who believe differently than they do is disheartening.

Then again, someone else mentioned to me earlier today "He didn't kill anybody. But Hitler did start somewhere. A lot of people who have been nothing but upstanding Americans have suddenly felt as if they've been targeted, perhaps indirectly. Even if he's calling for a ban on immigrants only, American Muslims are now being looked at as being guilty by association. "

So, Trump isn't capable of carrying out such an atrocity. Nor is he calling for a direct ban on immigrants. He talks tough, but he won't channel Hitler and send Muslims in America to extermination camps. To say that "Hitler did start somewhere" as it regards to Trump is an uncalled for insinuation. It's nonsense. It's intellectually dishonest.

As far as all upstanding Muslims are concerned, I understand. But members of Islam living here in America have only the radicals in their faith overseas to blame for the negative sentiment being displayed towards them. The same happened on 9/11.

No, there are upstanding Muslims everywhere in America, and the only way to combat the hatred is to stand up and say "I condemn those radicals, they do not represent my faith!" They need to do what they can to distance themselves from it.

Some will tell me I'm hating on Islam. Far from it. Even if I'm preaching hatred of a religion, then the cartoon mirrors the sentiment by encouraging hatred of people who A) Watch Fox News, thus Republicans, and B) Anyone who supports Trump's idea, thus once more, Republicans, or people who support Donald Trump. Anyone with any sense of deductive reasoning can see what the artist is trying to convey. A simple look at the imagery used in the picture will tell you that.

Some will assert that I'm defending Donald Trump. Most certainly not. I'm rubbing against the grain of public opinion here when I say Trump's proposals on Muslim immigration are extremely incorrect. It is an overreaction. And that's not a valid way, nor is it the only way. There are plenty of other ways to handle it.

People can believe what they want, whichever way they want. But hatred is not inherent to one group or religion. It's human nature.

Funny you bring up Captain America to talk about Trump. Maybe you've never read anything about Captain America. His powers are lame compared to other heroes and he's often tacky and boring, but the one thing he never wavers on is his devotion to America's principles and the ideas that America stands for. He'd sock Trump the same as Hitler.

Captain America was the main opponent of the Superhuman Registration Act. Correct me Harry Dresden if I'm wrong in my wording. Superhumans were forced to register with the government based on the few who abused their powers. A large group of people being forced to register with the government based on what a few of them have done? Sounds like Trump's plan for Muslims.

Wow...the GOP on the wrong side of Captain America? Say it isn't so!!!

Captain America is a RINO.