A Deception of the Last Days

It is taught in the Bible that the ancient prophet Enoch did not experience death but was taken by God. So from the beginning of the Judeo/Christian history, it has been believed that God could make it so there are some in this life who do not taste of death up until they are either changed in the twinkling of an eye or eventually do experience death at a much later time. Because Jesus was the very first to resurrect, all who experienced death from the time of Adam until the time of Jesus had to wait until after Jesus' resurrection before they could come forth from the dead and reunite their spirits with their bodies. In the case of Enoch, he did not see death but was translated by God. To be translated is a process of living beyond a normal life span for an extended amount of time until one is either changed in the twinkling of an eye from the translated state into a resurrected state or until the translated being dies at a much later date and then is resurrection just as other dead people are who die naturally.

Hebrews 11:5
5 By fai
th Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

Jesus, during his minister on earth told a group of his disciples that that there were some among them that would not taste of death until they saw the son of man coming in the power of the kingdom of God.

Matthew 16:28
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Luke 9:27
27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Mark 9:1
1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

One of those disciples of Jesus who received the promise of Jesus that he would be translated and not taste of death was the Apostle John. This is spoken of by Jesus in the final chapter of John.

John 21:21-25
21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? (speaking of John)
22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

At a bear minimum, the translation of John will go on until the Lord comes again upon the earth. At that time, it may be that John will then suffer death but it will not happen until the second coming of Jesus Christ. Notice that Jesus did not say that John would not die, but that he said, "If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?" the promise to John was that he would tarry until the second coming. At that time, he may suffer death. Some believe that John and perhaps Elijah will be the two witnesses that are prophesied in Revelation 11 who will die and rise after three and a half days. Elijah did not taste of death while of this earth but was taken up in a whirlwind.

The men in the video spoken of in my first post make the assumption that everyone in the generation that existed at the time Christ was on the earth all lived a normal lifetime and died at an average age of dying. But God has the power to extend life and has done so for certain people who have been on this earth. To assume that the entire generation of those who lived at that time have passed away is to not have faith in the words and power of Jesus Christ. There are those who claim that John died but there is no definitive proof that he died.

Enoch is not ancient .. It dates to about 300 BC.
John of Patmos was talking to the people of the first century not thousands of years into the future. Scofield encourages some Christians to assign future involvement of the United States or Russia or the Arab world to Revelation. It was written for the Jews not the world. Be wary of charlatans.
 
Enoch was born over 1000 years before the flood in the days of Noah. If Enoch dates to 300 BC, then the flood would have to have occurred around 700 A.D. It is absurd to think that the days of Enoch are around 300 B.C. unless you are speaking of another Enoch and not the one who was taken up by God in the book of Genesis.

According to the book of Revelation it was originally written to the seven churches in Asia, ie, Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea (see Revelation 1). However the words of the book of Revelation were for anyone who reads it:

Revelation 1: 3
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
 
Enoch was born over 1000 years before the flood in the days of Noah. If Enoch dates to 300 BC, then the flood would have to have occurred around 700 A.D. It is absurd to think that the days of Enoch are around 300 B.C. unless you are speaking of another Enoch and not the one who was taken up by God in the book of Genesis.

According to the book of Revelation it was originally written to the seven churches in Asia, ie, Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea (see Revelation 1). However the words of the book of Revelation were for anyone who reads it:

Revelation 1: 3
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Enoch, like the Book of Daniel, is set in more ancient times but both were composed after 300 BC. The message is what matters.

The Book of Enoch
The dating of Enoch varies from scholar to scholar. However, it seems most agree the earliest parts of the book were written during the pre-Maccabaean period. This would place it sometime before 164 B.C.E. Dates for the earliest portions have ranged from sometime in the 300's B.C.E. to 200 B.C.E.
 
The key to understanding what Jesus meant by “this generation will not pass away until all these things take place” is the context; that is, we must understand the verses that are surrounding Matthew 24:34, especially the verses prior to it. In Matthew 24:4–31, Jesus is clearly giving a prophecy; He is speaking of future events. Jesus had already told those living during His earthly ministry that the kingdom had been taken from them (Matthew 21:43). Therefore, it is imperative that Matthew 24–25 be seen as dealing with a future time. The generation that Jesus speaks of “not passing” until He returns is a future generation, namely, the people living when the predicted events occur. The word generation refers to the people alive in the future when the events of Matthew 24–25 take place.

That's just nonsensical, though; people don't talk like that. Obviously, Jesus was referring to the future - that generation's future.

Some of those to whom he was talking would still be alive when he came (Mt 16:28). Those were the days of vengeance, to fulfill all that was written (Lk 21:22). Something that had already been written was the destruction of the temple and the end of the age.
 
The key to understanding what Jesus meant by “this generation will not pass away until all these things take place” is the context; that is, we must understand the verses that are surrounding Matthew 24:34, especially the verses prior to it. In Matthew 24:4–31, Jesus is clearly giving a prophecy; He is speaking of future events. Jesus had already told those living during His earthly ministry that the kingdom had been taken from them (Matthew 21:43). Therefore, it is imperative that Matthew 24–25 be seen as dealing with a future time. The generation that Jesus speaks of “not passing” until He returns is a future generation, namely, the people living when the predicted events occur. The word generation refers to the people alive in the future when the events of Matthew 24–25 take place.


Got questions is steeped in Scofield.
 
Jesuit End Times Antichrist Deception – End Time Deceptions
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In 1909, Scofield published the first edition of his famous ‘ Scofield Reference Bible ‘, which injected large doses of Futurism in the commentaries. This Bible became so popular in American Protestant Bible schools that it was necessary to print literally millions of copies.
Again, none of the prophecies about Jesus’ return have been fulfilled.

For Jesus to return:

1.) Jews have to be regathered from the diaspora into Israel

2.) Israel has to become an independent nation “born in a day”

3.) Jerusalem must be recognized as Israel’s Capital.

If those three conditions are met then I believe you can state that “that generation shall not pass away” which sees that occur.

The western sector of Jerusalem became Israel's capital. Following another war in June 1967, Jerusalem was reunited. The barriers dividing the city were ...


On December 6, 2017 President Trump formally recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and stated that the American embassy would be moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
 
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That they fled before the tribulation is a historical truth. The Bible also foretells their flight before the tribulation. "Children, it is the last hour" (1 Jn 2:18).

“No one knows,” said Jesus in about the year 30. When Jesus uttered those words, no one knew, not even he. Fast forward thirty-five years later or so, and people knew.

Paul said the same thing:

Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. (1 Thes 5:1-4)​

The Christians were not in darkness; the day did not surprise them. Paul reminded the Thessalonians to remain vigilant for the Lord’s reckoning, but he didn’t have to, for they obviously knew in short order that the day and the hour was upon them.
 

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