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Your conflation of "not believing in Mashmont 's preferred iron age mythology" with "having no beliefs" is very revealing. This speaks more to YOUR inability to think for yourself and find good beliefs by your own methods.Actually, it's those who have no beliefs who will fall for anything. They're always searching, never finding. It's because they look in the wrong places.
But this is specious by virtue of being circular.For those who refuse accept Jesus as their savior, I would ask this. Since Jesus is perfect, and His directions are perfect and rules are perfect, why would you choose to follow something else that is by definition imperfect? That makes no sense.
Hell is what people make it. That poster's hell is gonna be a doozy!So why are you on here trying to scare the heretics back to Jesus?
Isn't it cool that we don't have to accept your Jesus? Or are you of a mind to force people?For those who refuse accept Jesus as their savior, I would ask this. Since Jesus is perfect, and His directions are perfect and rules are perfect, why would you choose to follow something else that is by definition imperfect? That makes no sense.
No, you're certainly free to worship whatever inferior thing you worship. That's the beauty of Jesus belief. Strictly voluntary.; Unlike atheism which is forced upon people in certain countries.Isn't it cool that we don't have to accept your Jesus? Or are you of a mind to force people?
Which is thanks to the scientific enlightenment and classical liberalism. Thus the west was reformed.No, you're certainly free to worship whatever inferior thing you worship. That's the beauty of Jesus belief. Strictly voluntary.; Unlike atheism which is forced upon people in certain countries.
The Catholic Catechism states that God has an everlasting covenant with the Jews and those who acknowledge the Creator (Islam, for example). Those with no religious beliefs are left in the hands of a merciful and loving God.But I still have to worship God and accept Jesus as my savior.
Right?
So, you say it is not just possible, but certain that some people will get into heaven without ever having believed in God or Jesus at all.Those with no religious beliefs are left in the hands of a merciful and loving God
The embodiment of selfishness is to do something only for self."Do I really want to suffer for all eternity because of my refusal to give up selfishness?"
You have made it abundantly clear my thoughts on anything matter not one iota to you. I posted what the Catholic Church teaches. Catholics believe Jesus statement that if we follow him (his way) we are on the path to eternal life. So Jesus' way is what the Catholic Church teaches.So, you say it is not just possible, but certain that some people will get into heaven without ever having believed in God or Jesus at all.
Right? Let's be clear.
So, yes. I had it right. People can and do get into heaven, without believing a whit of any of it, in your religion.One of my grandfathers was atheist. I have good reason to believe he is in heaven and that I will see him again.
Did your grandfather have a conversion to Christianity?You have made it abundantly clear my thoughts on anything matter not one iota to you. I posted what the Catholic Church teaches. Catholics believe Jesus statement that if we follow him (his way) we are on the path to eternal life. So Jesus' way is what the Catholic Church teaches.
It also notes that God has an everlasting Covenant with the Jews, and promises made to those who believe God is Creator. It further teaches that those who do not fall into the above categories remain in the hands of a merciful and loving God.
Saint Paul made an interesting statement in his letter to the Romans: That non-believers are judged by their own hearts. We are often harder on ourselves than is anyone else.
One of my grandfathers was atheist. I have good reason to believe he is in heaven and that I will see him again.
All along I have been clear, but I imagine it is all still a muddle to you? Sorry about that.
I have been here eight years. I have been quoting the Catholic Catechism for eight years. I have even told my grandfather's story a coupl of times. Seems it took awhile for it to sink in.So, yes. I had it right. People can and do get into heaven, without believing a whit of any of it, in your religion.
No. He was an atheist all his life. Unlike many atheists here, he always encouraged family members who were believers even though he himself held no belief. I have a little missalette he signed and gave to my aunt when she was a little girl. Grandpa was like that.Did your grandfather have a conversion to Christianity?
Well then perhaps, in light of his kindly manner, he underwent an acceptance of Jesus Christian at or before death unbeknownst to you or I. I like to think optimistically in those situations that a way was found.No. He was an atheist all his life. Unlike many atheists here, he always encouraged family members who were believers even though he himself held no belief. I have a little missalette he signed and gave to my aunt when she was a little girl. Grandpa was like that.
Hey, my bad, got it. That's a better look for your religion than saying people HAVE to buy into extraordinary, supernatural claims. Else... no heaven for youI have been here eight years. I have been quoting the Catholic Catechism for eight years. I have even told my grandfather's story a coupl of times. Seems it took awhile for it to sink in.
And to answer your question if it was hard...it took eight years for you to get it. What do you think?
Christianity is 100% voluntary, so there can't be terror or enslavement.
