A Speech my Cousin will read in Highschool Tomorrow about Guns

[candycorn]

Just realized it is a high school paper. Sad...I thought it was a poor Jr. High effort.

 

[007]

The 2nd Amendment is nothing but a fossil from another time and place. It no longer means what it says it means. State and federal courts and legislatures have restricted it several times in the past and will many more times in the future.

You must have done or possibly still do, a lot of fucking ACID. Your brain is really off in some kind of weird alternate reality.

The only reason you have the right to come on this board and talk that utter BULL SHIT is because a bunch of very brave men and women put their lives on the line and FOUGHT for that right, with GUNS, because they want to preserve what our fore fathers gave us, a new nation, that they fought and died for with GUNS.

But, you America and freedom hating commie turds don't give a fuck about any of that, do you? Hell no, fuck history. You just want papa hussein to give you some food stamps and a cell phone and you're happy.

Dumb fuck, pathetic little libtard dumb fuck. You aren't worth half a pile of cold, hard dog shit.

 

[candycorn]

The 2nd Amendment is nothing but a fossil from another time and place. It no longer means what it says it means. State and federal courts and legislatures have restricted it several times in the past and will many more times in the future.

You must have done or possibly still do, a lot of fucking ACID. Your brain is really off in some kind of weird alternate reality.

The only reason you have the right to come on this board and talk that utter BULL SHIT is because a bunch of very brave men and women put their lives on the line and FOUGHT for that right, with GUNS, because they want to preserve what our fore fathers gave us, a new nation, that they fought and died for with GUNS.

But, you America and freedom hating commie turds don't give a fuck about any of that, do you? Hell no, fuck history. You just want papa hussein to give you some food stamps and a cell phone and you're happy.

Dumb fuck, pathetic little libtard dumb fuck. You aren't worth half a pile of cold, hard dog shit.

kinda like what Archie Bunker would sound like if he were a rapper....

 

[The2ndAmendment]

You don't get it Candycorn, we're willing to die for this right, are you willing to die to take it away? Are you going to meet us in the asymmetrical modern field of battle to confiscate our weapons?

 

[007]

The 2nd Amendment is nothing but a fossil from another time and place. It no longer means what it says it means. State and federal courts and legislatures have restricted it several times in the past and will many more times in the future.

You must have done or possibly still do, a lot of fucking ACID. Your brain is really off in some kind of weird alternate reality.

The only reason you have the right to come on this board and talk that utter BULL SHIT is because a bunch of very brave men and women put their lives on the line and FOUGHT for that right, with GUNS, because they want to preserve what our fore fathers gave us, a new nation, that they fought and died for with GUNS.

But, you America and freedom hating commie turds don't give a fuck about any of that, do you? Hell no, fuck history. You just want papa hussein to give you some food stamps and a cell phone and you're happy.

Dumb fuck, pathetic little libtard dumb fuck. You aren't worth half a pile of cold, hard dog shit.

kinda like what Archie Bunker would sound like if he were a rapper....

If you were funny, you could be a comedian. Problem is you're not. You're just another no load, slack jawed, hollow eyed dumb fuck like your libtard brother Lakhola.

Get a life, idiot.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

If you were funny, you could be a comedian. Problem is you're not. You're just another no load, slack jawed, hollow eyed dumb fuck like your libtard brother Lakhola.

Get a life, idiot.

007, can you imagine how fast these nanny boys will be routed, when they get happily drafted by the Federal Government to confiscate our weapons.

 

[007]

If you were funny, you could be a comedian. Problem is you're not. You're just another no load, slack jawed, hollow eyed dumb fuck like your libtard brother Lakhola.

Get a life, idiot.

007, can you imagine how fast these nanny boys will be routed, when they get happily drafted by the Federal Government to confiscate our weapons.

Not a one of them have the nerve. They're nothing but sassy little internet libtard pussies.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

If you were funny, you could be a comedian. Problem is you're not. You're just another no load, slack jawed, hollow eyed dumb fuck like your libtard brother Lakhola.

Get a life, idiot.

007, can you imagine how fast these nanny boys will be routed, when they get happily drafted by the Federal Government to confiscate our weapons.

Not a one of them have the nerve. They're nothing but sassy little internet libtard pussies.

But the sheep will obey the government draft, since more than 75% of the military will defect.

It will come down to this:

Federal government superior technology + drafted slaves AGAINST Very well trained trained professional soldiers + volunteers fighting for their convictions and right to live free.

Let me show you how that went:
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[candycorn]

Ahh the bravado of has beens and never will be's.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

You afraid Candycorn? You're going to get on field and try to disarm us? Or are you planning to disarm us with tasers?

 

[yidnar]

Do not be fooled by the forces of evil and corruption that seek to disarm you, for only the evil and corrupt shall benefit.

Great. You brainwashed your cousin and injected your own paranoia into his speech. You must be very proud of yourself.

quoting the founding fathers is bad ?? it's brain washing ??

 

[yidnar]

My seventeen year old cousin asked me for advice. His AP history class is going to have a series of debates and speeches in class concerning the right to bear arms. I helped him write the following speech:

When discussing the Second Amendment, it is necessary that we begin with the original intent and reasoning, that motivated the Founding Fathers to include this guarantee in the the Bill of Rights; and remember, that our Founding Fathers created such a Bill of Rights, so that these rights, would be beyond question, immune to popular opinion, for they viewed these as the natural rights of man.

We can start, by analyzing well documented history, so as to put the facts beyond refutation. The sole intent of the British, at Lexington and Concord, was to seize value munitions and arms of the colonists in that region. For the British knew, that it would be impossible, to continue abusing the colonists with their reprehensible and intolerable acts, if the colonists finally decided that the British government had become so destructive, that they may invoke their natural right to either alter, or abolish it, and form themselves a new government, responsive to the needs and desires of the people.

As a result, years later, when our current Constitution was being drafted, they decided, as a barrier to centralized tyranny, from either the federal, state or even local level, that it was necessary, that the people, the citizens themselves, retained the right to keep and bears arms. And this right, shall not be infringed.

During our history, our Second Amendment has played a passive role, in deterring tyranny. For no government, no matter how corrupt, would dare become so monstrous, as to provoke a rebellion by an armed population.

However, this assertion is too difficult to prove, so instead, it is best to analyze what has happened to certain minorities in United States history, when they were disarmed of their weapons by law.

The first example, of such a people who were disarmed, were African Americans. Shortly after the Civil War and Reconstruction, the Ku Klux Klan immediately passed laws in order to subdue and disarm African Americans. Shortly after the law abiding blacks consented to being disarmed, they found themselves under the reign of the Jim Crow Laws. Deprived of liberty, unable to vote, and often deprived of life itself.

Another such example, are the executives of private companies, using armed force, against unarmed members of Unions were striking. Many also question if the United States government would have detained and imprisoned the Japanese people in concentration camps had the Japanese been a gun possessing people.

Unfortunately, the worst examples, are found in global history, when entire minorities have been genocided by their government. The best known example, are the Jewish people of Germany. Hitler had moved immediately to disarm the Jewish people, and other undesirables in Germany. What followed shortly after, was the Holocaust. Everyone can agree, that had Jews been armed during the reign Hitler, that they would have been able to avert such a tragedy, or at the very least, been able to escape Germany before so many millions were killed.

It is also well known, that Stalin of the Soviet Union, and Mao of Communist China, and brutal dictators all throughout the 20th century, had disarmed their politically opposed minorities, and genocided over 350 million people total in the 20th Century.

History itself, proves that only an unarmed people, can be so easily controlled and often exterminated, once they are defenseless and without recourse.

However, there is one stellar example of the Second Amendment actually being used to overthrow tyrannical government. In 1946, in the city of Athens, Tennessee, the State government machine would send the police to the voting places, seize the ballot boxes, and bring them to the jailhouses, in order rig the election in favor of Democrats. The people of Tennessee had been petitioning the federal government for a decade, but FDR, a Democrat, wanted the State government to continue rigging the elections, in order to ensure that the State of Tennessee produced Democratic Senators and Congressman.

Finally, in the year of 1946, returning World War II veterans, well trained in military grade firearms, and well equipped, decided that they had enough of the voting process being rigged, had enough of being abused but the local police, and enough of being jailed for no reason. Over 200 veterans took up their arms, Semi automatic M1 Carbines, and battled it out with the police for over four hours. Eventually they prevailed, and the police surrendered. The Rule of Law was reestablished, the people of Tennessee had won their first victory, that was paramount to destroying the entire state political machine of Tennessee. Later on, the courts ruled that the Veterans were not guilty of rioting or murder, for they exercised their natural right to keep and bear arms in order secure a free State. This event known as the Battle of Athens.

Now, let us turn our attention away from government tyranny, and discuss the effect of the Second Amendment in relation to everyday crime. It can be easily seen, with a simple internet search, that every State that has little or no restrictions on firearms, such as Vermont and Utah, have the lowest crime and murder rates in the United States. Whereas, the states and cities that have the strictest gun control laws, are the opposite, such as Chicago, Detroit and Rochester.

One must not fall into the trap of comparing a country under a UNITARY form of government (The United Kingdom) directly to the United States, which is a Federal form of government.The laws and Constitution of each State are vastly DIFFERENT from the laws and Constitution of every other State. Also, within each State, the laws of each city and town are moderately DIFFERENT from the laws of every other city and town.
Also, keep in mind, that many federal laws (that govern the whole nation), are executed differently in different states, especially when significant devolution procedures have been written into that law.

As, previously mentioned, countries like the UK, are UNITARY governments. The variance in local laws are microscopic in those places. Moderate differences in law are only seen between rural and urban regions in a unitary government.

This means, when you compare the laws of a UNITARY government, to the laws of the United States, are you no better off comparing fruits to Chess Theory. They are different entities, and each entity has countless variations.

In order to compare a UNITARY government to the United States, you should only consider Cities and towns that are governed by the same or very similar laws. Sometimes you MIGHT be able to compare them to an entire State, however, you can NEVER compare them to the entire Union of the United States. Also, it is equally impossible to directly compare another Federal nation to the United States for the same reasons. Its' like comparing Chess Theory to Poetry.

Once we analyze and compare Gun Control laws in the United States and other countries, respecting the Federal and Unitary differences, we realize that we can only use such strict gun control locations, such as Chicago and Detroit, or other similar areas. Without question, they cities are known as Failed States, and are the most dangerous and violent places to live in the United States today.

Also, keep in mind, that there are some countries, such as Mexico, that have intense gun control laws, and rank top 10 is the most dangerous places to live.
This does seem hard to grasp, how could this be possible, you may ask.

The problem is that Gun Control Laws, assume that criminals are going to obey the law, and turn in their weapons. This is silly, because criminals do not obey the law. Thus, when these laws are passed, only the law abiding citizen turn in their guns, which encourages criminals to perpetrate even more violent acts. Even in the UK, the Telegraph, the main source of news in the UK, wrote an article that the UK has three times more violent crime that the United States, even though they have a vastly lower number of murders by guns.

Now some people, may attempt to make the following argument:

If criminals do not obey the law, then why bother passing any laws at all?

The reason we pass laws, is because the overwhelming majority of people are law abiding citizens. If there was no law against stealing, than many many law abiding citizens would be stealing. However, once the law is passed, only criminals will continue to steal.

Ask yourselves though, have criminals stopped stealing because there is a law against it?
So that is the problem with Gun Control. The law is specifically designed to disarm criminals, yet criminals are the only people who will not become disarmed. Only law abiding citizens will comply with the law, and become disarmed --- sheep among the wolves. Thus, the violent crime rate increases greatly once such laws are passed.

On this issue of the mentally ill:

Who decides who is mentally ill or not? The government? They can already declare you a terrorist with no evidence and lock you up forever without a trial or lawyer. In fact, although it cannot be proven, they probably just kill them ... how would you know if they don't?

Keep in mind, that in order to to bar mentally ill people from buying a gun, there must be a NATIONAL REGISTRY of mentally ill people. Such a registry could be used to force mentally ill people to be sterilized. Later it could be used to force mentally ill people to be "euthanized." Also, since the government can decide who is mentally ill, and who is not, without evidence, it is most likely they would use this against anyone who could or has resisted them.

Do this sound like crazy talk, well we know that every major fascist or communist power of the 20th century actually did what was described above. So don't be fooled into thinking this is just crazy talk.

On the issue of civilians stopping mass shooting:

The reason no civilian has stopped a mass shooting, because if you prevent someone from performing a mass shooting, then no mass shooting had occurred, thus it doesn't' get reported in the news, because no one died, or only a small amount had died.

Once such instance is a mall in Oregon, where a legally armed civilian took out a potential mass murderer, who only managed to slaughter two civilians. There's only one way to stop a bad guy with a gun, and that's a good guy with a gun, and more often than not, the police are minutes away, while the victims are only seconds away from death.

Do not be fooled by the forces of evil and corruption that seek to disarm you, for only the evil and corrupt shall benefit.

EDIT: forgot the two quotes to read at the end (the quotes from my sig!)

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
Patrick Henry

You seem to hit all the NRA talking points but you left out...."Guns don't kill people, People kill people"

It is also wise to end the speech with "From my cold, dead fingers!"

you need to try to give that speech at the local VFW !!

 

[007]

Ahh the bravado of has beens and never will be's.

Sad little libtards... and your pathetic attempt to sound as though you're even relevant.

Moron.

 

[yidnar]

I guess Obama shouldn't read from teleprompters then, since he didn't write the speech?

Silly, if you fully understand what you've done, then you've learned something, and he even went out and educated others. This is a great country, people can still learn and and impart their knowledge to others without restriction.

Not to mention, he asked me for help, because we both discuss this topic daily.

When I was in High School, we were expected to write our own speeches and do our own work

We used to call it personal responsibility

Congratulations on your A+, you earned it
Your cousin didn't

can you prove that the 17 yr old didn't write the speech shit sucker ?? and can you refute the historical facts of said speech ??

 

[The2ndAmendment]

He actually did write the speech, based on all the information and conversations that we had. Remember he's an AP (Advanced Placement) student. However, he said the classmates on his side of the issue we're being soundly defeated in previous class discussion.

Overall I guided him, and only wrote the two parts:

On the issue of the mentally ill ...

On the issue of civilians stopping mass shooting

I added them in because they addressed the two strong arguments that the anti-gun side was likely to throw at him again.

He told me today that it was a complete reversal. The tables were turned on the anti-gun side. The teacher is having one final set of debates/speeches tomorrow, then that's it.

Also, if you guys didn't notice, the original version that I copied and pasted contained many of his typos lololol.

Also, can you please refute any of the history in this speech?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Fucking lies.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Let us know if he gets a good grade!!!

If it's not pro Obama or pro Democrat party or left leaning it probably will not get a good grade...that's just the way it is in liberal schools.

He claims that he got an A+, AFTER the history teacher challenged his claim that there was an event called the Battle of Athens. After his teacher confirmed (on his laptop), that the Battle of Athens was real, he gave him an A+ and thanked him for sharing that piece of history that should be taught in AP classes when the Second Amendment is being discussed.

Perhaps he'll appeal the the State Board to include it in the curriculum. After all, they can teach about the Whiskey Rebellion and others right?

Also, he can take all the credit he wants, since he fully understands the contents.

Also, why don't you refute what I've written?

Why do you have to lie?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Over all a good job.

Nice Hi-Point 9mm in your avatar. I used to have one. Cheap pistol, one step above a throw down, but a decent shooter for the price.

As far as the OP goes, decent speech.

This is great! Internet tough guy bonding is so sweet.

"Hey brah! Love that cheap-shit gun you have there!" "And....that speech that you are bragging about.......decent, brah!

 

[jtpr312]

Just did, copied and pasted the draft. We're going to augment it a little more. I''ll post the new version later. Yeah I'll beef up the KKK part.

Typos fixed btw.

If space allows might want to put in something about Calif and the Black civil rights movement's effect on gun control especially in CA. Nowadays in this nation the only way to win a politcal argument is to show how things effect minorities, especially blacks and homosexuals.

 

[OriginalShroom]

I think kids in school should do their own work. That's what's wrong with America.

So you would object to him going to Wiki, Websters, The NRA, or other internet/library sources to gather information to write his report?

He used a local "expert" to garner information and ensure his facts were right.

Just because it happened to be his Cousin shouldn't matter. The purpose of the report isn't to test how well he can write a report, but can he get "new" and relevant information and compile it in a manner as to instruct others.