A White House in crisis, and dancing on graves

[martybegan]

This isn't a matter of politics or opinions or policy, it's a matter of behaviors. So fixing the problem would be incredibly easy: Just stop behaving like this. Stop putting party over country,

All of this could literally be switched off overnight if we wanted to.
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How about putting the blame for a White House in crisis where that blame belongs? On the right for electing a corrupt pathological liar who knows nothing about politics other than his misguided opinions; who lost control of the White House the day he moved in? There’s a reason we elect politicians to be president while businessmen are best suited to run companies.

Then deal with the reality that the country has not been this divided and polarized since the Civil war and Trump is doing nothing but fomenting that gap.

Then recall you’re posting on a political forum where people come to vent their political bias.

You can’t wish away our differences; so the problem is not going to be rectified easily.

Actually the blame is on a progressive left that can't even wait 4 years to legally get rid of someone, so they with their MSM butt buddies have decided to throw caution to the wind and will do ANYTHING short of armed uprising to get Trump out of office.

What a fucking rightard you are, eh?

The left has little to do with this. Trump is under investigation by Mueller, who’s a Republican. Mueller was installed by Rosenstrin, another Republican. Rosenstein, a Republican, appointented Mueller, a Republican, because Trump, a Republican who was elected president by Republican voters and who appointed Rosenstein, appears to have obstructed Justice by firing Comey, an Independent who used to be a Republican, for not dropping an investigation into Flynn, yet another Republican.

So while it’s true the left can’t devour enough popcorn watching this unfold, it’s the right who is to blame for this mess.

"Republicans"

All part of the deep state and the elite. The republicans you list are merely Democrats-lite

Take your conspiracies over to the conspiracy threads.

Your surrender is noted.

 

[Mac1958]

Obviously I can only aspire to your level of intelligence. Stipulated.

Of course, that's my response to wingers on both ends. How similar they are.

It's not just the "nitwits in Washington DC" doing this, it's their flocks as well.

That's the bigger problem, because it's essentially cultural now.
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It doesn't take an abundance of intelligence to realize politicians do what they want.

It's always been a combination of politicians and their flock.
Looking towards Washington to do anything correctly is the problem.

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This thread is about the behavior of everyday people, not politicians.
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[BULLDOG]

The sooner the incompetent fools are removed from our white house, the sooner we can get back to a sanely run country. Do you see that as a bad thing?

To be replaced with what? Competent progressive quasi-socialists?

No thank you.

You lost the election,get over it.

Yep. You won that election. You didn't think it would be forever did you?

Well like most it would be at least 4 years.

Are progressive policies that fragile they can't survive 4 years? (2 if you manage to retake the house)

Not sure the country can survive 4 years of that fool.

 

[martybegan]

The sooner the incompetent fools are removed from our white house, the sooner we can get back to a sanely run country. Do you see that as a bad thing?

To be replaced with what? Competent progressive quasi-socialists?

No thank you.

You lost the election,get over it.

Yep. You won that election. You didn't think it would be forever did you?

Well like most it would be at least 4 years.

Are progressive policies that fragile they can't survive 4 years? (2 if you manage to retake the house)

Not sure the country can survive 4 years of that fool.

It survived 8 years of Obama, and while not a fool he was a progressive statist twat.

 

[BULLDOG]

So what resolution to this do you think should happen?

This isn't a matter of politics or opinions or policy, it's a matter of behaviors. So fixing the problem would be incredibly easy: Just stop behaving like this. Stop putting party over country,

All of this could literally be switched off overnight if we wanted to.
.

How about putting the blame for a White House in crisis where that blame belongs? On the right for electing a corrupt pathological liar who knows nothing about politics other than his misguided opinions; who lost control of the White House the day he moved in? There’s a reason we elect politicians to be president while businessmen are best suited to run companies.

Then deal with the reality that the country has not been this divided and polarized since the Civil war and Trump is doing nothing but fomenting that gap.

Then recall you’re posting on a political forum where people come to vent their political bias.

You can’t wish away our differences; so the problem is not going to be rectified easily.

Your surrender is accepted.

Anything the damages the federal government is a good thing for the country

Traitor.

 

[MisterBeale]

There are many Americans who are not paralyzed by a partisan ideology. We have our views, we like this politician more than the other, we vote that way, but what we really want is things to go as well as possible, as often as possible. Even if it's not the way we would have chosen. We don't care who gets the credit politically.

What we're seeing now is clearly (a) a White House in crisis, primarily internally and as it operates under threat of a deep, broad federal investigation that could expose or destroy not just the President and various staff members, but members of his family. Proponents of the White House are, predictably, defending the President. Fine. But this is clearly not good. For the country.

Equally troubling to those of us who are hoping for the best regardless of who gets credit is the behavior of those who are clearly in joyous celebration of what is happening. As we see here on USMB, it's thread after thread of his opponents dancing on (what they suspect and hope is) his grave. A White House is in crisis, and there are Americans who are obviously overjoyed and reveling in the disaster.

This is why so many of us choose not to ideology affix ourselves to a party. We may share many opinions with one or the other, but we refuse to behave like this. It's now officially party over country, and it's ugly. We want no part of this.
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I think your POV is much too informed by the MSM on TV and in CFR controlled papers.

The whole system is corrupt, and the clandestine Intel agencies have become partisan.

Where once, both parties were controlled by the global elites, these elites are now aging and their successors are in disagreement as to which direction the nation should head. This has led to a destructive power struggle among the autocrats.

This, with the added new technology influx which blossomed as of 1994, the populace has become increasingly aware of the true situation they are in.

For a nice independent review from the conservatives POV out of Canada;

FBI Continues Satanic Dance with some old and some new players
"Despite the fact that the FBI was contacted at least 2 and possibly 3 times about this extremely disturbed and dangerous individual…no one at the FBI did anything. That’s so far from irrational that it bears close and deep scrutiny. However, in my opinion, the obvious is—again—this slaughter was allowed to happen. This was a warning shot to us all. This time, however, it was not over the bow. This is what desperate individuals in 3rd world countries do when extreme fear sets into the autocrats. They’re saying, in essence, “Don’t mess with us and our plans to run your country the way we want.”

I have written multiple columns about the Mueller spurious-if-not-fraudulent investigation for quite awhile and—early on—presented evidence of Mueller’s own questionable and openly criminal behaviors exhibited under the color of law. His ongoing “investigation” of President Trump, which is based upon previously identified and corroborated false evidence, is but his latest endeavor into the realm of making up crimes that are non-existent and using fake information to do so. Mueller has been involved in myriad other questionable if not criminal exercises; not the least of which is his involvement in the Uranium One affair. Mueller—as did Comey—worked to protect Hillary Clinton. See “Mueller and the US “Corruptocracy” below. During Clinton’s “Whitewater” affair, James Comey protected Hillary in almost the exact way as he did when he refused to file charges against her for her “Email-gate” scandal.

Excerpt from the piece referenced above: “Then there was Whitewater, which was a fraudulent scheme to bilk huge amounts of money from investors. Incidentally, Hillary’s buddy FBI Director James Comey was around then, too. At that time, he was Deputy Special Council on the Senate Whitewater Committee. And…guess what? He said almost the same things about her behavior then…as he did recently about her cavalier treatment of Top Secret US documents. During the Whitewater scandal, Comey, also, proceeded to refuse to recommend prosecution of Hillary even though she was clearly guilty.” During the Whitewater whitewash, Comey said that she “didn’t have the intent to defraud.” Comey said of Hillary Clinton’s illegal actions surrounding her email matters and those with whom she was communicating: “We could not prove that the people sending the information, either in that case or the other case with the secretary, were acting with any kind of mens rea, with any kind of criminal intent.”

Note: “Intent” is not even a consideration, in these areas. Yet, Comey and others have gotten away with this sort of subterfuge and sleight of hand for years…and years…with no one calling them out on it…until the courageous California Congressman and one of our applauded champions Rep. Devin Nunes stepped into the fray."
FBI Continues Satanic Dance with some old and some new players

And a clear picture from the progressive left, from award wining investigation right here in the states;

Nunes: FBI and DOJ Perps Could Be Put on Trial
"Staying Power


On the other hand, the presumptive perps have not run into a chairman like Nunes in four decades, since Congressmen Lucien Nedzi (D-Mich.), Otis Pike (D-NY), and Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) ran tough, explosive hearings on the abuses of a previous generation deep state, including massive domestic spying revealed by quintessential investigative reporter Seymour Hersh in December 1974. (Actually, this is largely why the congressional intelligence oversight committees were later established, and why the FISA law was passed in 1978.)


At this point, one is tempted to say plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose – or the more things change, the more they stay the same – but that would be only half correct in this context. Yes, scoundrels will always take liberties with the law to spy on others. But the huge difference today is that mainstream media have no room for those who uncover government crimes and abuse. And this will be a major impediment to efforts by Nunes and other committee chairs to inform the public.


One glaring sign of the media’s unwillingness to displease corporate masters and Official Washington is the harsh reality that Hersh’s most recent explosive investigations, using his large array of government sources to explore front-burner issues, have not been able to find a home in any English-speaking newspaper or journal. In a sense, this provides what might be called a “confidence-building” factor, giving some assurance to deep-state perps that they will be able to ride this out, and that congressional committee chairs will once again learn to know their (subservient) place.


Much will depend on whether top DOJ and FBI officials can bring themselves to reverse course and give priority to the oath they took to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic. This should not be too much to hope for, but it will require uncommon courage in facing up honestly to the major misdeeds appear to have occurred — and letting the chips fall where they may. Besides, it would be the right thing to do.


Nunes is projecting calm confidence that once he and Trey Gowdey (R-Tenn.), chair of the House Oversight Committee, release documentary evidence showing what their investigations have turned up, it will be hard for DOJ and FBI officials to dissimulate.


In Other News …


In the interview with Attkisson, Nunes covered a number of other significant issues:

• The committee is closing down its investigation into possible collusion between Moscow and the Trump campaign; no evidence of collusion was found.
• The apparently widespread practice of “unmasking” the identities of Americans under surveillance. On this point, Nunes said, “In the last administration they were unmasking hundreds, and hundreds, and hundreds of Americans’ names. They were unmasking for what I would say, for lack of a better definition, were for political purposes.”
• Asked about Schiff’s criticism that Nunes behaved improperly on what he called the “midnight run to the White House,” Nunes responded that the stories were untrue. “Well, most of the time I ignore political nonsense in this town,” he said. “What I will say is that all of those stories were totally fake from the beginning.”

Not since Watergate has there been so high a degree of political tension here in Washington but the stakes for our Republic are even higher this time. Assuming abuse of FISA court procedures is documented and those responsible for playing fast and loose with the required justification for legal warrants are not held to account, the division of powers enshrined in the Constitution will be in peril.


A denouement of some kind can be expected in the coming months. Stay tuned."
Nunes: FBI and DOJ Perps Could Be Put on Trial
Personally, I'd be fascinated in the Hersch investigation. He usually does pretty good work. I had a very good idea what the Benghazi affair was all about a year before it broke because of his article in the London Review of Books.

However, if even THEY aren't willing to publish is work on this topic, you know we are in a bit of trouble.

I don't know what any of that has to do with my point: Behaviors. The willingness of both ends to behave as they are.

And having been in the business for 18 years in a former life, I know precisely how the media operates.
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Do you?

‘Deep State’ Veterans find New Homes in Mainstream Media
‘Deep State’ Veterans find New Homes in Mainstream Media

 

[Rustic]

This isn't a matter of politics or opinions or policy, it's a matter of behaviors. So fixing the problem would be incredibly easy: Just stop behaving like this. Stop putting party over country,

All of this could literally be switched off overnight if we wanted to.
.

How about putting the blame for a White House in crisis where that blame belongs? On the right for electing a corrupt pathological liar who knows nothing about politics other than his misguided opinions; who lost control of the White House the day he moved in? There’s a reason we elect politicians to be president while businessmen are best suited to run companies.

Then deal with the reality that the country has not been this divided and polarized since the Civil war and Trump is doing nothing but fomenting that gap.

Then recall you’re posting on a political forum where people come to vent their political bias.

You can’t wish away our differences; so the problem is not going to be rectified easily.

Your surrender is accepted.

Anything the damages the federal government is a good thing for the country

Traitor.

Only a fool thinks that the federal government and country are one in the same

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The sooner the incompetent fools are removed from our white house, the sooner we can get back to a sanely run country. Do you see that as a bad thing?

Actually Trump is cleaning-up Obama's monumental mess and getting our democracy back on track.

 

[BULLDOG]

How about putting the blame for a White House in crisis where that blame belongs? On the right for electing a corrupt pathological liar who knows nothing about politics other than his misguided opinions; who lost control of the White House the day he moved in? There’s a reason we elect politicians to be president while businessmen are best suited to run companies.

Then deal with the reality that the country has not been this divided and polarized since the Civil war and Trump is doing nothing but fomenting that gap.

Then recall you’re posting on a political forum where people come to vent their political bias.

You can’t wish away our differences; so the problem is not going to be rectified easily.

Your surrender is accepted.

Anything the damages the federal government is a good thing for the country

Traitor.

Only a fool thinks that the federal government and country are one in the same

Only a fool thinks they aren't.

 

[BULLDOG]

The sooner the incompetent fools are removed from our white house, the sooner we can get back to a sanely run country. Do you see that as a bad thing?

Actually Trump is cleaning-up Obama's monumental mess and getting our democracy back on track.

That's funny. I don't care who you are.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The sooner the incompetent fools are removed from our white house, the sooner we can get back to a sanely run country. Do you see that as a bad thing?

To be replaced with what? Competent progressive quasi-socialists?

No thank you.

You lost the election,get over it.

Yep. You won that election. You didn't think it would be forever did you?

Well like most it would be at least 4 years.

Are progressive policies that fragile they can't survive 4 years? (2 if you manage to retake the house)

Not sure the country can survive 4 years of that fool.

It survived 8 years of Obama, and while not a fool he was a progressive statist twat.

No, Obama is a fool

 

[Faun]

So what resolution to this do you think should happen?

This isn't a matter of politics or opinions or policy, it's a matter of behaviors. So fixing the problem would be incredibly easy: Just stop behaving like this. Stop putting party over country,

All of this could literally be switched off overnight if we wanted to.
.

How about putting the blame for a White House in crisis where that blame belongs? On the right for electing a corrupt pathological liar who knows nothing about politics other than his misguided opinions; who lost control of the White House the day he moved in? There’s a reason we elect politicians to be president while businessmen are best suited to run companies.

Then deal with the reality that the country has not been this divided and polarized since the Civil war and Trump is doing nothing but fomenting that gap.

Then recall you’re posting on a political forum where people come to vent their political bias.

You can’t wish away our differences; so the problem is not going to be rectified easily.

Your surrender is accepted.

Anything the damages the federal government is a good thing for the country

That’s funny — you share the same sentiment as our enemies.

 

[martybegan]

To be replaced with what? Competent progressive quasi-socialists?

No thank you.

You lost the election,get over it.

Yep. You won that election. You didn't think it would be forever did you?

Well like most it would be at least 4 years.

Are progressive policies that fragile they can't survive 4 years? (2 if you manage to retake the house)

Not sure the country can survive 4 years of that fool.

It survived 8 years of Obama, and while not a fool he was a progressive statist twat.

No, Obama is a fool

Nah, never underestimate your opposition. He knew what he was doing.

Then again, never overestimate your opposition either, he wasn't as smart as progs made him out to be either.

 

[Rustic]

This isn't a matter of politics or opinions or policy, it's a matter of behaviors. So fixing the problem would be incredibly easy: Just stop behaving like this. Stop putting party over country,

All of this could literally be switched off overnight if we wanted to.
.

How about putting the blame for a White House in crisis where that blame belongs? On the right for electing a corrupt pathological liar who knows nothing about politics other than his misguided opinions; who lost control of the White House the day he moved in? There’s a reason we elect politicians to be president while businessmen are best suited to run companies.

Then deal with the reality that the country has not been this divided and polarized since the Civil war and Trump is doing nothing but fomenting that gap.

Then recall you’re posting on a political forum where people come to vent their political bias.

You can’t wish away our differences; so the problem is not going to be rectified easily.

Your surrender is accepted.

Anything the damages the federal government is a good thing for the country

That’s funny — you share the same sentiment as our enemies.

Not really, the federal government and the country are not one in the same. Obvious by the actions of the federal government

 

[BULLDOG]

How about putting the blame for a White House in crisis where that blame belongs? On the right for electing a corrupt pathological liar who knows nothing about politics other than his misguided opinions; who lost control of the White House the day he moved in? There’s a reason we elect politicians to be president while businessmen are best suited to run companies.

Then deal with the reality that the country has not been this divided and polarized since the Civil war and Trump is doing nothing but fomenting that gap.

Then recall you’re posting on a political forum where people come to vent their political bias.

You can’t wish away our differences; so the problem is not going to be rectified easily.

Your surrender is accepted.

Anything the damages the federal government is a good thing for the country

That’s funny — you share the same sentiment as our enemies.

Not really, the federal government are the country are not one in the same. Obvious by the actions of the federal government

Anti American traitor.

 

[Faun]

How about putting the blame for a White House in crisis where that blame belongs? On the right for electing a corrupt pathological liar who knows nothing about politics other than his misguided opinions; who lost control of the White House the day he moved in? There’s a reason we elect politicians to be president while businessmen are best suited to run companies.

Then deal with the reality that the country has not been this divided and polarized since the Civil war and Trump is doing nothing but fomenting that gap.

Then recall you’re posting on a political forum where people come to vent their political bias.

You can’t wish away our differences; so the problem is not going to be rectified easily.

Actually the blame is on a progressive left that can't even wait 4 years to legally get rid of someone, so they with their MSM butt buddies have decided to throw caution to the wind and will do ANYTHING short of armed uprising to get Trump out of office.

What a fucking rightard you are, eh?

The left has little to do with this. Trump is under investigation by Mueller, who’s a Republican. Mueller was installed by Rosenstrin, another Republican. Rosenstein, a Republican, appointented Mueller, a Republican, because Trump, a Republican who was elected president by Republican voters and who appointed Rosenstein, appears to have obstructed Justice by firing Comey, an Independent who used to be a Republican, for not dropping an investigation into Flynn, yet another Republican.

So while it’s true the left can’t devour enough popcorn watching this unfold, it’s the right who is to blame for this mess.

"Republicans"

All part of the deep state and the elite. The republicans you list are merely Democrats-lite

Take your conspiracies over to the conspiracy threads.

Your surrender is noted.

Faun: “Your surrender is accepted.”

A mindless parrot squawks what it hears...

Marty: “Your surrender is noted.”

 

[BlackSand]

This thread is about the behavior of everyday people, not politicians.
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Exactly ... Hence "the flock".
The flock you are talking about are the idiots that chase stupid things politicians say ... Like "push granny off a cliff".
They are not talking to people with half a brain.

We really don't need the input from folks with less than half a brain ...
And would greatly appreciate it if nit-wits like you stopped granting more power/responsibilities to the federal government.

If you are really interested in everyday people ... Turn the television off and go talk to them ...

The White House is in crisis because a bunch of idiots keep supporting the process that makes it that way.
You had the right idea ... You're just looking in the wrong direction if you think Washington provides a suitable answer.

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[Faun]

How about putting the blame for a White House in crisis where that blame belongs? On the right for electing a corrupt pathological liar who knows nothing about politics other than his misguided opinions; who lost control of the White House the day he moved in? There’s a reason we elect politicians to be president while businessmen are best suited to run companies.

Then deal with the reality that the country has not been this divided and polarized since the Civil war and Trump is doing nothing but fomenting that gap.

Then recall you’re posting on a political forum where people come to vent their political bias.

You can’t wish away our differences; so the problem is not going to be rectified easily.

Your surrender is accepted.

Anything the damages the federal government is a good thing for the country

That’s funny — you share the same sentiment as our enemies.

Not really, the federal government and the country are not one in the same. Obvious by the actions of the federal government

Actually, the federal government is the glue which holds 50 republics together as a nation. Our enemies would love to take down our federal government. A sentiment you share with our enemies.

 

[Rustic]

Your surrender is accepted.

Anything the damages the federal government is a good thing for the country

That’s funny — you share the same sentiment as our enemies.

Not really, the federal government are the country are not one in the same. Obvious by the actions of the federal government

Anti American traitor.

Lol
The federal government has not worked for the country for more than a century. Career politicians/deep state believe that the people work for them...

 

[Rustic]

Your surrender is accepted.

Anything the damages the federal government is a good thing for the country

That’s funny — you share the same sentiment as our enemies.

Not really, the federal government and the country are not one in the same. Obvious by the actions of the federal government

Actually, the federal government is the glue which holds 50 republics together as a nation. Our enemies would love to take down our federal government. A sentiment you share with our enemies.

The Federal government should be seen and not heard...