Abortions: Should Women be Allowed to Choose?

[kaz]

This is a non-issue.

You can try to make the state the owner of a woman's body but you will never succeed. Abortion is no one's business except the woman.

Mind your own business and get government out of our private lives and out of our bedrooms.

Nobody cares about what a woman does with her own body - it's the baby that's being murdered that we care about. And that baby is a SEPARATE body which is NOT hers. Nice try attempting to "frame" the issue as something else because dealing with the issue as it is puts you in the wrong side - but you failed.

The baby also doesn't have a right to her body. You are free to advocate she not get an abortion and you are free to provide her with options to an abortion.

What I like about Conservatives here is that when we're talking about government running our lives, you say government cannot and should not do that and even if they try it doesn't work. But then suddenly when government is going to come in and tell people what they can do with their bodies, oh, that'll work. In the end, you're not that different than Obama. The only differences are what you want to do with government force.

 

[koshergrl]

Yes, the baby DOES have a right to her body. Just as infants have a right to protection and care from their parents (without which, they die).

Parents are obligated to care for their children. Even if they don't want them. Until they find someone else to take over the care and protection of them. Which just requires a phone call.

 

[JoeB131]

Misogynist. I've no doubt you've abused (or worse) your fair share. Your obsession with abortion is fixated, and evidence that you're a sociopath.

 

[JoeB131]

God will punish them.

And I will continue to defend women and children who are exploited, killed, maimed, and abused by the people who support abortion with the blood of others. People like you, and joe.

Joe is an admitted porn freak. He is proud of the fact that when he thought he had knocked up a girl he would NEVER enter into a long-term relationship with, he was prepared to *drag her ass* to the abortion clinic.

The company you keep defines you. Now fuck off.

For the record, Koshie is a liar.

I've never admitted to liking porn, nor did I ever take anyone to an abortion clinic.

I'm getting this picture of Koshie. Back when she was younger, she probably got knocked up, the guy talked her into an abortion and kicked her sorry behind to the curb.

It really is the only thing that explains the irrational anger.

 

[JoeB131]

This is a non-issue.

You can try to make the state the owner of a woman's body but you will never succeed. Abortion is no one's business except the woman.

Mind your own business and get government out of our private lives and out of our bedrooms.

Nobody cares about what a woman does with her own body - it's the baby that's being murdered that we care about. And that baby is a SEPARATE body which is NOT hers. Nice try attempting to "frame" the issue as something else because dealing with the issue as it is puts you in the wrong side - but you failed.

See, Poodle lsoing an argument, his fonts get bigger.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me how you are going to STOP women from getting abortions.

Because, clearly, everything you guys tried in PA - Hyde Amendment, restrictions, TRAP laws- didn't work. They were still willing to go to Gosnell's clinic that looked like something out of a Saw Movie to get them done.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm sorry you don't see the difference between trying to protect women and children from exploitation, butchery, abuse, and murder...and advocating to exploit, murder, and abuse them.

But that's part and parcel of the mental illness that allows progressives to view baby killing and violating women as "women's health".

More women die of childbirth than abortion.

True story.

Abortion safer than giving birth: study | Reuters

Researchers found that women were about 14 times more likely to die during or after giving birth to a live baby than to die from complications of an abortion.

Experts say the findings, though not unexpected, contradict some state laws that suggest abortions are high-risk procedures.

The message is that getting an abortion and giving birth are both safe, said Dr. Anne Davis, who studies obstetrics and gynecology at the Columbia University Medical Center in New York, and wasn't involved in the new study.

 

[JoeB131]

Those studies are lies. And you're a liar for perpetuating them.

The most recent study shows that more than 60 percent are coerced. Personal testimony of women coerced into abortio puts the lie to your 14 percent...no doubt put out there by the PP/Guttmachers/CDC abortion monopoly.

BTW, the largest population centers where most of the abortions take place...DC, NYC, LA...don't report any stats.

No abortions are "coerced".

Legally, no man, no parent, no society and no doctor can "make" you have an abortion.

That's entirely your decision, isn't it?

Aren't you conservatives about "personal responsibility"?

 

[koshergrl]

God will punish them.

And I will continue to defend women and children who are exploited, killed, maimed, and abused by the people who support abortion with the blood of others. People like you, and joe.

Joe is an admitted porn freak. He is proud of the fact that when he thought he had knocked up a girl he would NEVER enter into a long-term relationship with, he was prepared to *drag her ass* to the abortion clinic.

The company you keep defines you. Now fuck off.

For the record, Koshie is a liar.

I've never admitted to liking porn, nor did I ever take anyone to an abortion clinic.

I'm getting this picture of Koshie. Back when she was younger, she probably got knocked up, the guy talked her into an abortion and kicked her sorry behind to the curb.

It really is the only thing that explains the irrational anger.

Where did I say you took anyone to an abortion clinic, weirdo?

 

[koshergrl]

I'm sorry you don't see the difference between trying to protect women and children from exploitation, butchery, abuse, and murder...and advocating to exploit, murder, and abuse them.

But that's part and parcel of the mental illness that allows progressives to view baby killing and violating women as "women's health".

More women die of childbirth than abortion.

True story.

Abortion safer than giving birth: study | Reuters

Researchers found that women were about 14 times more likely to die during or after giving birth to a live baby than to die from complications of an abortion.

Experts say the findings, though not unexpected, contradict some state laws that suggest abortions are high-risk procedures.

The message is that getting an abortion and giving birth are both safe, said Dr. Anne Davis, who studies obstetrics and gynecology at the Columbia University Medical Center in New York, and wasn't involved in the new study.

We don't know how many women die from abortion, but the concensus is that it's many, many more than are reported.

 

[koshergrl]

Those studies are lies. And you're a liar for perpetuating them.

The most recent study shows that more than 60 percent are coerced. Personal testimony of women coerced into abortio puts the lie to your 14 percent...no doubt put out there by the PP/Guttmachers/CDC abortion monopoly.

BTW, the largest population centers where most of the abortions take place...DC, NYC, LA...don't report any stats.

No abortions are "coerced".

Legally, no man, no parent, no society and no doctor can "make" you have an abortion.

That's entirely your decision, isn't it?

Aren't you conservatives about "personal responsibility"?

"
In Broward County, Florida, a man has been convicted of two counts of murder for killing a pregnant woman and her unborn baby. The court determined that Edward Jermaine Babbs killed Stephanie Rabsatt by shooting her in the abdomen and head on Oct.1, 2009.
Rabsatt was almost 8 months pregnant with a son, who she had named Jayden. Babbs, who was the baby’s father, had been pressuring her to abort. Her refusal to have an abortion and the imminent birth of her son was what triggered the murder, according to police.
"

Man Convicted, Killed Pregnant Girlfriend Refusing Abortion | The Justice Foundation

 

[JoeB131]

God will punish them.

And I will continue to defend women and children who are exploited, killed, maimed, and abused by the people who support abortion with the blood of others. People like you, and joe.

Joe is an admitted porn freak. He is proud of the fact that when he thought he had knocked up a girl he would NEVER enter into a long-term relationship with, he was prepared to *drag her ass* to the abortion clinic.

The company you keep defines you. Now fuck off.

For the record, Koshie is a liar.

I've never admitted to liking porn, nor did I ever take anyone to an abortion clinic.

I'm getting this picture of Koshie. Back when she was younger, she probably got knocked up, the guy talked her into an abortion and kicked her sorry behind to the curb.

It really is the only thing that explains the irrational anger.

Where did I say you took anyone to an abortion clinic, weirdo?

Where did I say I would drag anyone to an abortion clinic?

BUt as long as we are just making shit up, why not?

 

[JoeB131]

Those studies are lies. And you're a liar for perpetuating them.

The most recent study shows that more than 60 percent are coerced. Personal testimony of women coerced into abortio puts the lie to your 14 percent...no doubt put out there by the PP/Guttmachers/CDC abortion monopoly.

BTW, the largest population centers where most of the abortions take place...DC, NYC, LA...don't report any stats.

No abortions are "coerced".

Legally, no man, no parent, no society and no doctor can "make" you have an abortion.

That's entirely your decision, isn't it?

Aren't you conservatives about "personal responsibility"?

"
In Broward County, Florida, a man has been convicted of two counts of murder for killing a pregnant woman and her unborn baby. The court determined that Edward Jermaine Babbs killed Stephanie Rabsatt by shooting her in the abdomen and head on Oct.1, 2009.
Rabsatt was almost 8 months pregnant with a son, who she had named Jayden. Babbs, who was the baby’s father, had been pressuring her to abort. Her refusal to have an abortion and the imminent birth of her son was what triggered the murder, according to police.
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Go back and read what I said. I've highlighted the Operative word for you, because you seem a little confused on the point.

 

[JoeB131]

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We don't know how many women die from abortion, but the concensus is that it's many, many more than are reported.

Concensus of who? Whacky people who pray to invisible sky pixies?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Those studies are lies. And you're a liar for perpetuating them.

The most recent study shows that more than 60 percent are coerced. Personal testimony of women coerced into abortio puts the lie to your 14 percent...no doubt put out there by the PP/Guttmachers/CDC abortion monopoly.

BTW, the largest population centers where most of the abortions take place...DC, NYC, LA...don't report any stats.

No abortions are "coerced".

Legally, no man, no parent, no society and no doctor can "make" you have an abortion.

That's entirely your decision, isn't it?

Aren't you conservatives about "personal responsibility"?

"
In Broward County, Florida, a man has been convicted of two counts of murder for killing a pregnant woman and her unborn baby. The court determined that Edward Jermaine Babbs killed Stephanie Rabsatt by shooting her in the abdomen and head on Oct.1, 2009.
Rabsatt was almost 8 months pregnant with a son, who she had named Jayden. Babbs, who was the baby’s father, had been pressuring her to abort. Her refusal to have an abortion and the imminent birth of her son was what triggered the murder, according to police.
"

Man Convicted, Killed Pregnant Girlfriend Refusing Abortion | The Justice Foundation

In addition to being a proven liar, you’ve also committed a hasty generalization fallacy.

 

[Dragonlady]

None of what KG posts makes any sort of logical sense. The whole idea that anyone who supports choice actually wants women to have abortions is beyond idiotic, but that's KG for you. She thinks that giving people the choice of when to have a family is the same thing as not ever wanting a family or hating children. One would have to really hate children to force someone who didn't want a child to have one.

She had made up outrageous lies about everyone who posts in favour of choice, because the truth isn't on her side.

 

[Dragonlady]

The most recent study shows that more than 60 percent are coerced. Personal testimony of women coerced into abortio puts the lie to your 14 percent...no doubt put out there by the PP/Guttmachers/CDC abortion monopoly.

BTW, the largest population centers where most of the abortions take place...DC, NYC, LA...don't report any stats.

Where is the link to these purported studies, because I haven't seen or heard of a single study which backs up any of your ridiculous "facts".

And if DC, NYC and LA don't report any stats, how do you know that they have the highest rates of abortion? I guess you just make up whatever figures you want then, like always.

 

[JoeB131]

None of what KG posts makes any sort of logical sense. The whole idea that anyone who supports choice actually wants women to have abortions is beyond idiotic, but that's KG for you. She thinks that giving people the choice of when to have a family is the same thing as not ever wanting a family or hating children. One would have to really hate children to force someone who didn't want a child to have one.

She had made up outrageous lies about everyone who posts in favour of choice, because the truth isn't on her side.

Pretty much.

She's accused me of being a porn addict, of having a criminal record and dragging women down to abortion clinics because.... oh, wait, because I don't accept her idea on how to reduce abortion.

For the record, I'd like to see there be less abortion. But you don't get there by banning them or making them harder to get.

Simple economics. You reduce the Supply of something, the supply becomes more valuable.

What you need to do is reduce the Demand.

 

[Dot Com]

I'm sorry you don't see the difference between trying to protect women and children from exploitation, butchery, abuse, and murder...and advocating to exploit, murder, and abuse them.

But that's part and parcel of the mental illness that allows progressives to view baby killing and violating women as "women's health".

More women die of childbirth than abortion.

True story.

Abortion safer than giving birth: study | Reuters

Researchers found that women were about 14 times more likely to die during or after giving birth to a live baby than to die from complications of an abortion.

Experts say the findings, though not unexpected, contradict some state laws that suggest abortions are high-risk procedures.

The message is that getting an abortion and giving birth are both safe, said Dr. Anne Davis, who studies obstetrics and gynecology at the Columbia University Medical Center in New York, and wasn't involved in the new study.

allie's head is going to after seeing that or she'll blithely ignore it

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

None of what KG posts makes any sort of logical sense. The whole idea that anyone who supports choice actually wants women to have abortions is beyond idiotic, but that's KG for you. She thinks that giving people the choice of when to have a family is the same thing as not ever wanting a family or hating children. One would have to really hate children to force someone who didn't want a child to have one.

She had made up outrageous lies about everyone who posts in favour of choice, because the truth isn't on her side.

Pretty much.

She's accused me of being a porn addict, of having a criminal record and dragging women down to abortion clinics because.... oh, wait, because I don't accept her idea on how to reduce abortion.

For the record, I'd like to see there be less abortion. But you don't get there by banning them or making them harder to get.

Simple economics. You reduce the Supply of something, the supply becomes more valuable.

What you need to do is reduce the Demand.

True.

But that can’t be used as a partisan wedge issue.

 

[koshergrl]

None of what KG posts makes any sort of logical sense. The whole idea that anyone who supports choice actually wants women to have abortions is beyond idiotic, but that's KG for you. She thinks that giving people the choice of when to have a family is the same thing as not ever wanting a family or hating children. One would have to really hate children to force someone who didn't want a child to have one.

She had made up outrageous lies about everyone who posts in favour of choice, because the truth isn't on her side.

Pretty much.

She's accused me of being a porn addict, of having a criminal record and dragging women down to abortion clinics because.... oh, wait, because I don't accept her idea on how to reduce abortion.

For the record, I'd like to see there be less abortion. But you don't get there by banning them or making them harder to get.

Simple economics. You reduce the Supply of something, the supply becomes more valuable.

What you need to do is reduce the Demand.

More lies.

You also maintain that women enjoy abortions.