African Presence in Pre-Columbian Times

[Iceman]

How bad is it to know you would still be in the Dark ages without the Moors?

Moors aren't black, lol.

Funny thing is, Arabs hate blacks far worse than Whites. They enslaved far more of you guys, killed and castrated far more of you guys, and real Muslims hate the NOI, you guys aren't even real Muslims. Why don't you hate on Arabs instead of Whitey?

But a lot of the Moors were Black. How stupid do you want me to make you look?

North Africans are Caucasian.

 

[Asclepias]

Moors aren't black, lol.

Funny thing is, Arabs hate blacks far worse than Whites. They enslaved far more of you guys, killed and castrated far more of you guys, and real Muslims hate the NOI, you guys aren't even real Muslims. Why don't you hate on Arabs instead of Whitey?

But a lot of the Moors were Black. How stupid do you want me to make you look?

North Africans are Caucasian.

Lets start another thread so this one wont get off track.

post your entry here: http://www.usmessageboard.com/race-relations-racism/323029-how-black-were-the-moors.html#post8110834

 

[Iceman]

Africans, they couldn't come up with the wheel, but they circumnavigated the globe. Yea, a real master race they are, lol.

No one knows for sure who exactly invented the wheel but my guess is that it was a Black person. You have something that proves they didn't invent the wheel?

No need to guess:

"Evidence of wheeled vehicles appears from the mid-4th millennium BC, near-simultaneously in Mesopotamia(Sumerian civilization), Indus Valley (Mohenjodaro), the Northern Caucasus (Maykop culture) and Central Europe, so that the question of which culture originally invented the wheeled vehicle remains unresolved and under debate. The Ljubljana Marshes Wooden Wheel, the world's oldest known wooden wheel, dating from 5,250 ± 100 BP as part of Globular Amphora Culture, was discovered by Slovenian archeologists in 2002.[3]"
World's Oldest Wheel Found in Slovenia*|*Government Communication Office

Seems the world's oldest wheel was found in Slovenian. Slovenians are White, not black.

 

[Asclepias]

Africans, they couldn't come up with the wheel, but they circumnavigated the globe. Yea, a real master race they are, lol.

No one knows for sure who exactly invented the wheel but my guess is that it was a Black person. You have something that proves they didn't invent the wheel?

No need to guess:

"Evidence of wheeled vehicles appears from the mid-4th millennium BC, near-simultaneously in Mesopotamia(Sumerian civilization), Indus Valley (Mohenjodaro), the Northern Caucasus (Maykop culture) and Central Europe, so that the question of which culture originally invented the wheeled vehicle remains unresolved and under debate. The Ljubljana Marshes Wooden Wheel, the world's oldest known wooden wheel, dating from 5,250 ± 100 BP as part of Globular Amphora Culture, was discovered by Slovenian archeologists in 2002.[3]"
World's Oldest Wheel Found in Slovenia*|*Government Communication Office

Seems the world's oldest wheel was found in Slovenian. Slovenians are White, not black.

Start another thread on this subject.

 

[Iceman]

The oldest human remains found until this date in North America are Caucasian.
Narrow skulls clue to first Americans

 

[Asclepias]

The oldest human remains found until this date in North America are Caucasian.
Narrow skulls clue to first Americans

Never look for just one source. You missed this earlier.

BBC News | Sci/Tech | 'First Americans were Australian'

However, the new evidence shows that these people did not arrive in an empty wilderness. Stone tools and charcoal from the site in Brazil show evidence of human habitation as long ago as 50,000 years.

 

[jon_berzerk]

The oldest human remains found until this date in North America are Caucasian.
Narrow skulls clue to first Americans

from your article

"and more controversially, a group of Stone Age people from Europe made the perilous sea journey across the Atlantic Ocean many thousands of years before Columbus or the Vikings."

the Solutreans from what now is France

followed the seals along the glacial ice in the north Atlantic

 

[Iceman]

The oldest human remains found until this date in North America are Caucasian.
Narrow skulls clue to first Americans

Never look for just one source. You missed this earlier.

BBC News | Sci/Tech | 'First Americans were Australian'

However, the new evidence shows that these people did not arrive in an empty wilderness. Stone tools and charcoal from the site in Brazil show evidence of human habitation as long ago as 50,000 years.

My Article: "Scientists from Liverpool's John Moores University and Oxford's Research Laboratory of Archaeology have dated the skull to about 13,000 years old, making it 2,000 years older than the previous record for the continent's oldest human remains"

Your Article:"These Asian people have facial features described as mongoloid. However, skulls dug from a depth equivalent to 9,000 to 12,000 years ago are very different."

Conclusion: You need to read.

Also, the claims of the early habitation you speak of are disputed. The evidence you brought forward is inconclusive:

"Among other South American locations proposed as human settlements well before North America’s Clovis culture, the most controversial is Brazil’s Pedra Furada rock-shelter. There, archaeologists unearthed burned wood and sharp-edged stones and dated them to more than 50,000 years ago. Pedra Furada’s excavators regard the finds as evidence of ancient human hearths and stone tools. Critics, and especially many Clovis investigators, say the Brazilian discoveries could have resulted from natural fires and rock slides.

The new discovery came at Toca da Tira Peia rock-shelter, which is in the same national park as Pedra Furada. It also has drawn skeptics. The site’s location at the base of a steep cliff raises the possibility that crude, sharp-edged stones resulted from falling rocks, not human handiwork, says archaeologist Gary Haynes of the University of Nevada, Reno. Another possibility is that capuchins or other monkeys produced the tools, says archaeologist Stuart Fiedel of Louis Berger Group, an environmental consulting firm in Richmond, Va.

The age of Toca da Tira Peia artifacts has also drawn debate. Dating the artifacts hinges on calculations of how long ago objects were buried by soil. Various environmental conditions, including fluctuations in soil moisture, could have distorted these age estimates, Haynes says."

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/disputed-finds-put-humans-south-america-22000-years-ago

 

[Asclepias]

The oldest human remains found until this date in North America are Caucasian.
Narrow skulls clue to first Americans

Never look for just one source. You missed this earlier.

BBC News | Sci/Tech | 'First Americans were Australian'

However, the new evidence shows that these people did not arrive in an empty wilderness. Stone tools and charcoal from the site in Brazil show evidence of human habitation as long ago as 50,000 years.

My Article: "Scientists from Liverpool's John Moores University and Oxford's Research Laboratory of Archaeology have dated the skull to about 13,000 years old, making it 2,000 years older than the previous record for the continent's oldest human remains"

Your Article:"These Asian people have facial features described as mongoloid. However, skulls dug from a depth equivalent to 9,000 to 12,000 years ago are very different."

Conclusion: You need to read.

Also, the claims of the early habitation you speak of are disputed. The evidence you brought forward is inconclusive:

"Among other South American locations proposed as human settlements well before North America’s Clovis culture, the most controversial is Brazil’s Pedra Furada rock-shelter. There, archaeologists unearthed burned wood and sharp-edged stones and dated them to more than 50,000 years ago. Pedra Furada’s excavators regard the finds as evidence of ancient human hearths and stone tools. Critics, and especially many Clovis investigators, say the Brazilian discoveries could have resulted from natural fires and rock slides.

The new discovery came at Toca da Tira Peia rock-shelter, which is in the same national park as Pedra Furada. It also has drawn skeptics. The site’s location at the base of a steep cliff raises the possibility that crude, sharp-edged stones resulted from falling rocks, not human handiwork, says archaeologist Gary Haynes of the University of Nevada, Reno. Another possibility is that capuchins or other monkeys produced the tools, says archaeologist Stuart Fiedel of Louis Berger Group, an environmental consulting firm in Richmond, Va.

The age of Toca da Tira Peia artifacts has also drawn debate. Dating the artifacts hinges on calculations of how long ago objects were buried by soil. Various environmental conditions, including fluctuations in soil moisture, could have distorted these age estimates, Haynes says."

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/disputed-finds-put-humans-south-america-22000-years-ago

This is from your own article dude. Conclusion you should learn to read the whole thing.

Dated 11:24 04 September 03

Both had the long, narrow skulls that more resemble those of modern Australians and Africans than modern native Americans, or even the people living in northern Asia, who are thought to be native Americans' closest relatives.

Some researchers argued that they were simply unusual individuals, but scientists have now identified the same features in recent remains from the Baja California.

 

[Asclepias]

The oldest human remains found until this date in North America are Caucasian.
Narrow skulls clue to first Americans

from your article

"and more controversially, a group of Stone Age people from Europe made the perilous sea journey across the Atlantic Ocean many thousands of years before Columbus or the Vikings."

the Solutreans from what now is France

followed the seals along the glacial ice in the north Atlantic

I thought you were trying to be funny and mis spelled Soul Train!

 

[Iceman]

Never look for just one source. You missed this earlier.

BBC News | Sci/Tech | 'First Americans were Australian'

My Article: "Scientists from Liverpool's John Moores University and Oxford's Research Laboratory of Archaeology have dated the skull to about 13,000 years old, making it 2,000 years older than the previous record for the continent's oldest human remains"

Your Article:"These Asian people have facial features described as mongoloid. However, skulls dug from a depth equivalent to 9,000 to 12,000 years ago are very different."

Conclusion: You need to read.

Also, the claims of the early habitation you speak of are disputed. The evidence you brought forward is inconclusive:

"Among other South American locations proposed as human settlements well before North America’s Clovis culture, the most controversial is Brazil’s Pedra Furada rock-shelter. There, archaeologists unearthed burned wood and sharp-edged stones and dated them to more than 50,000 years ago. Pedra Furada’s excavators regard the finds as evidence of ancient human hearths and stone tools. Critics, and especially many Clovis investigators, say the Brazilian discoveries could have resulted from natural fires and rock slides.

The new discovery came at Toca da Tira Peia rock-shelter, which is in the same national park as Pedra Furada. It also has drawn skeptics. The site’s location at the base of a steep cliff raises the possibility that crude, sharp-edged stones resulted from falling rocks, not human handiwork, says archaeologist Gary Haynes of the University of Nevada, Reno. Another possibility is that capuchins or other monkeys produced the tools, says archaeologist Stuart Fiedel of Louis Berger Group, an environmental consulting firm in Richmond, Va.

The age of Toca da Tira Peia artifacts has also drawn debate. Dating the artifacts hinges on calculations of how long ago objects were buried by soil. Various environmental conditions, including fluctuations in soil moisture, could have distorted these age estimates, Haynes says."

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/disputed-finds-put-humans-south-america-22000-years-ago

This is from your own article dude. Conclusion you should learn to read the whole thing.

Dated 11:24 04 September 03

Both had the long, narrow skulls that more resemble those of modern Australians and Africans than modern native Americans, or even the people living in northern Asia, who are thought to be native Americans' closest relatives.

Some researchers argued that they were simply unusual individuals, but scientists have now identified the same features in recent remains from the Baja California.

Don't call me dude. Read the preceding paragraph.

"Anthropologists once assumed the earliest Americans resembled modern native Americans. That changed with the discovery of a 10,500-year-old skeleton called Luzia in Brazil, and the 9000-year-old skeleton of Kennewick man in Washington state [and the dating of a 13,000 year old skull of a 26 year old woman called Peñon III found on the shores of Lake Texcoco in the valley of Mexico - bs].

Both had the long, narrow skulls that more resemble those of modern Australians and Africans than modern native Americans, or even the people living in northern Asia, who are thought to be native Americans' closest relatives."

Those are not as old as the 13,000 year old Caucasian remains.

 

[Unkotare]

I did. They told me he discovered America which is not named after him and i saw the picture in the history book of Native Americans peering out of the bushes. I asked the teacher how was it he discovered America and the Indians were looking at him from the bushes? I got sent to the office and the teacher got red in the face.

And then you punched him, right? Or was that another of your weak attempts at fiction? It's too bad you were incapable of understanding whatever might have been taught to you.

No that was later in high school. How can you misunderstand "Columbus discovered America"? it was a lie. Face it. Everyone knows it. So smart guy why is Columbus day celebrated?

Go back to Jr high and pay attention this time, dimwit.

 

[jon_berzerk]

The oldest human remains found until this date in North America are Caucasian.
Narrow skulls clue to first Americans

from your article

"and more controversially, a group of Stone Age people from Europe made the perilous sea journey across the Atlantic Ocean many thousands of years before Columbus or the Vikings."

the Solutreans from what now is France

followed the seals along the glacial ice in the north Atlantic

I thought you were trying to be funny and mis spelled Soul Train!

--LOL

it is an interesting hypothesis though

 

[Asclepias]

My Article: "Scientists from Liverpool's John Moores University and Oxford's Research Laboratory of Archaeology have dated the skull to about 13,000 years old, making it 2,000 years older than the previous record for the continent's oldest human remains"

Your Article:"These Asian people have facial features described as mongoloid. However, skulls dug from a depth equivalent to 9,000 to 12,000 years ago are very different."

Conclusion: You need to read.

Also, the claims of the early habitation you speak of are disputed. The evidence you brought forward is inconclusive:

"Among other South American locations proposed as human settlements well before North America’s Clovis culture, the most controversial is Brazil’s Pedra Furada rock-shelter. There, archaeologists unearthed burned wood and sharp-edged stones and dated them to more than 50,000 years ago. Pedra Furada’s excavators regard the finds as evidence of ancient human hearths and stone tools. Critics, and especially many Clovis investigators, say the Brazilian discoveries could have resulted from natural fires and rock slides.

The new discovery came at Toca da Tira Peia rock-shelter, which is in the same national park as Pedra Furada. It also has drawn skeptics. The site’s location at the base of a steep cliff raises the possibility that crude, sharp-edged stones resulted from falling rocks, not human handiwork, says archaeologist Gary Haynes of the University of Nevada, Reno. Another possibility is that capuchins or other monkeys produced the tools, says archaeologist Stuart Fiedel of Louis Berger Group, an environmental consulting firm in Richmond, Va.

The age of Toca da Tira Peia artifacts has also drawn debate. Dating the artifacts hinges on calculations of how long ago objects were buried by soil. Various environmental conditions, including fluctuations in soil moisture, could have distorted these age estimates, Haynes says."

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/disputed-finds-put-humans-south-america-22000-years-ago

This is from your own article dude. Conclusion you should learn to read the whole thing.

Dated 11:24 04 September 03

Both had the long, narrow skulls that more resemble those of modern Australians and Africans than modern native Americans, or even the people living in northern Asia, who are thought to be native Americans' closest relatives.

Some researchers argued that they were simply unusual individuals, but scientists have now identified the same features in recent remains from the Baja California.

Don't call me dude. Read the preceding paragraph.

"Anthropologists once assumed the earliest Americans resembled modern native Americans. That changed with the discovery of a 10,500-year-old skeleton called Luzia in Brazil, and the 9000-year-old skeleton of Kennewick man in Washington state [and the dating of a 13,000 year old skull of a 26 year old woman called Peñon III found on the shores of Lake Texcoco in the valley of Mexico - bs].

Both had the long, narrow skulls that more resemble those of modern Australians and Africans than modern native Americans, or even the people living in northern Asia, who are thought to be native Americans' closest relatives."

Those are not as old as the 13,000 year old Caucasian remains.

Dude I did read it.

Anthropologists once assumed the earliest Americans resembled modern native Americans. That changed with the discovery of a 10,500-year-old skeleton called Luzia in Brazil, and the 9000-year-old skeleton of Kennewick man in Washington state [and the dating of a 13,000 year old skull of a 26 year old woman called Peñon III found on the shores of Lake Texcoco in the valley of Mexico - bs].

Both had the long, narrow skulls that more resemble those of modern Australians and Africans than modern native Americans, or even the people living in northern Asia, who are thought to be native Americans' closest relatives.

 

[jon_berzerk]

My Article: "Scientists from Liverpool's John Moores University and Oxford's Research Laboratory of Archaeology have dated the skull to about 13,000 years old, making it 2,000 years older than the previous record for the continent's oldest human remains"

Your Article:"These Asian people have facial features described as mongoloid. However, skulls dug from a depth equivalent to 9,000 to 12,000 years ago are very different."

Conclusion: You need to read.

Also, the claims of the early habitation you speak of are disputed. The evidence you brought forward is inconclusive:

"Among other South American locations proposed as human settlements well before North America’s Clovis culture, the most controversial is Brazil’s Pedra Furada rock-shelter. There, archaeologists unearthed burned wood and sharp-edged stones and dated them to more than 50,000 years ago. Pedra Furada’s excavators regard the finds as evidence of ancient human hearths and stone tools. Critics, and especially many Clovis investigators, say the Brazilian discoveries could have resulted from natural fires and rock slides.

The new discovery came at Toca da Tira Peia rock-shelter, which is in the same national park as Pedra Furada. It also has drawn skeptics. The site’s location at the base of a steep cliff raises the possibility that crude, sharp-edged stones resulted from falling rocks, not human handiwork, says archaeologist Gary Haynes of the University of Nevada, Reno. Another possibility is that capuchins or other monkeys produced the tools, says archaeologist Stuart Fiedel of Louis Berger Group, an environmental consulting firm in Richmond, Va.

The age of Toca da Tira Peia artifacts has also drawn debate. Dating the artifacts hinges on calculations of how long ago objects were buried by soil. Various environmental conditions, including fluctuations in soil moisture, could have distorted these age estimates, Haynes says."

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/disputed-finds-put-humans-south-america-22000-years-ago

This is from your own article dude. Conclusion you should learn to read the whole thing.

Dated 11:24 04 September 03

Both had the long, narrow skulls that more resemble those of modern Australians and Africans than modern native Americans, or even the people living in northern Asia, who are thought to be native Americans' closest relatives.

Some researchers argued that they were simply unusual individuals, but scientists have now identified the same features in recent remains from the Baja California.

Don't call me dude. Read the preceding paragraph.

"Anthropologists once assumed the earliest Americans resembled modern native Americans. That changed with the discovery of a 10,500-year-old skeleton called Luzia in Brazil, and the 9000-year-old skeleton of Kennewick man in Washington state [and the dating of a 13,000 year old skull of a 26 year old woman called Peñon III found on the shores of Lake Texcoco in the valley of Mexico - bs].

Both had the long, narrow skulls that more resemble those of modern Australians and Africans than modern native Americans, or even the people living in northern Asia, who are thought to be native Americans' closest relatives."

Those are not as old as the 13,000 year old Caucasian remains.

the Browns Valley Man found in western Minnesota is 9000 years old

is probably not a Native American his remains at this point are not

to be studied

in 2007 around 50 pieces of pre Clovis tools have been found in

Walker Minnesota dating to 13,000 to 14,000 years ago

 

[Asclepias]

Kennewick man another caucasian guy.

 

[Iceman]

This is from your own article dude. Conclusion you should learn to read the whole thing.

Dated 11:24 04 September 03

Don't call me dude. Read the preceding paragraph.

"Anthropologists once assumed the earliest Americans resembled modern native Americans. That changed with the discovery of a 10,500-year-old skeleton called Luzia in Brazil, and the 9000-year-old skeleton of Kennewick man in Washington state [and the dating of a 13,000 year old skull of a 26 year old woman called Peñon III found on the shores of Lake Texcoco in the valley of Mexico - bs].

Both had the long, narrow skulls that more resemble those of modern Australians and Africans than modern native Americans, or even the people living in northern Asia, who are thought to be native Americans' closest relatives."

Those are not as old as the 13,000 year old Caucasian remains.

Dude I did read it.

Anthropologists once assumed the earliest Americans resembled modern native Americans. That changed with the discovery of a 10,500-year-old skeleton called Luzia in Brazil, and the 9000-year-old skeleton of Kennewick man in Washington state [and the dating of a 13,000 year old skull of a 26 year old woman called Peñon III found on the shores of Lake Texcoco in the valley of Mexico - bs].

Both had the long, narrow skulls that more resemble those of modern Australians and Africans than modern native Americans, or even the people living in northern Asia, who are thought to be native Americans' closest relatives.

No you didn't. Or you would understand the 13,000 Caucasian remains are older than the 10,000 or 9000 year old remains that have "Australian" features.

And we aren't dudes, that would imply we are friends. I would never be friends with a bow-tied NOI stooge like you.

Don't get me wrong, I support your ideas of black racial separation, but beyond that, I would rather not talk to you.

 

[Iceman]

Kennewick man

This one is Caucasian. but that replica looks Inuit. Neither are African, that we can be certain of.

 

[Iceman]

The hypothesis of Caucasians being the first Americans is backed up by DNA evidence. Modern Native Americans have European DNA markers.
Ancient DNA Links Native Americans With Europe

 

[Asclepias]

I need to look into this just in case. Sounds interesting though. I know the whole caucasian thing is just to make sure they classify everything advanced so people relate it to being white.

Not every specialist, however, is convinced of the apparently mounting evidence of an early European migration. "I personally haven't found it very convincing," Professor Chris Stringer, the head of human origins at the Natural History Museum in London, said. "For a start, there are lots of examples in archaeology where various artefacts from different parts of the world can end up looking similar even though they have different origins," he said. "Most humans in the world at that time were long headed and it doesn't surprise me that Peñon woman at 13,000 years old is also long headed."