After watching explain how you can support abortion

[rdean]

And yet Republicans gleefully cut the school lunch program and food stamps for children and education. Why not support the "born" once in a while?

Just being born and suddenly you aren't worth anything?

 

[Czernobog]

Is it capable of independent viability? No? Then it is not an individual, and not a person. You can try to cloud that reality all you like, it doesn't change the scientific facts.

A great many of the children that are murdered are capable of "independent viability" At least as capable as my 6 moth old granddaughter or my father was a month before he died.

I don't think a reasonable person would ever use the concept of "independent viability" as a criteria for living or dying.

Of course if you believe in the concept of infanticide you are not that reasonable of a person, are you?

Not legally in this country (the US) they weren't, as most states already have a (uncontested) ban on abortions after the 21st week. And medically, fetuses are not considered viable before then. Even with extraordinary measures, exspensive machines, and incubators, they have a less than 2% chance of suvivability, hence not viable. care to try that again?

Ya let them live just a bit longer and they can.
Viability is just an excuse its not logical.

Actually viability is the only logical measurement. Every other argument is based on pure emotion. Now, if you choose to deny the rights of actual, existing people, in favour of a mass of cells that has the potential to possibly, perhaps, maybe become a person, based on irrational, emotional justifications, that's fine, but don't kid yourself into believing that you're being "logical".

Might become a person??
If not killed before birth it 100% guaranteed to be a human,every single time no matter what!
So what were you before you became a person? a parakeet?
Do you think before you psot nonsense like this?

It does?!?! Really? So miscarriages, accidents, still births? These never happen?!?! And you call me an idiot?!?! Nothing is ever 100% medically certain! Only a hysterical retard intent on defending their agenda beyond reason would ever claim something that stupid.

Thank you for playing. Do feel free to pick up your parting gifts on the way out...

 

[Czernobog]

This is the stage of life where most children are aborted:

What week is that? What trimester?
Posting a picture, with no reference, and screaming, "This is what you're killing!!!!!" is evidence of absolutely nothing, and is nothing more than a pathetic appeal to emotion.

Absolutely nothing?? yep that there is for sure a yellow lab no question.

Yes, absolutely nothing. You did not make a claim to race. You made a claim as to "stage of development". I say that you are a liar. That fetus is obviously 21 weeks old, or older, which means that not only is that not when "most abortions occur", as you dishonestly claim, but in most states abortions are illegal. so, care to post any other lies in support of your unsupportable position?

 

[Carla_Danger]

15.8 million children lived in food-insecure households in 2012

Child Hunger Poverty Fact Sheeting Feeding America

Food insecure.... lmao

Food insecurity for children is funny? I rest my case.

That you believe in 'food insecurity' in America is what is funny, not only that, try to promote it.

That might not be the stupidest comment I ever heard, but certainly in the top ten.

All you have is insults apparently, they often come when there is no counter to make. Keep up the good work!

Again I ask, where are the starving children in America?

Funny that we can show 50 million abortions in America, but you can't show one starving child.

They aren't starving because they receive SNAP, you moron.....the program RWers bitch about all the time. Did you want to wait until they have bloated stomachs before you give two shits? You've got one hell of a nerve calling yourself Christian.

It is a fact that many RWers are against raising the minimum wage, and at the same time, against providing low income families with SNAP benefits. Seems they are only interested in the fetus. Fuck em after they're born.

 

[chikenwing]

This is the stage of life where most children are aborted:

What week is that? What trimester?
Posting a picture, with no reference, and screaming, "This is what you're killing!!!!!" is evidence of absolutely nothing, and is nothing more than a pathetic appeal to emotion.

Absolutely nothing?? yep that there is for sure a yellow lab no question.

Yes, absolutely nothing. You did not make a claim to race. You made a claim as to "stage of development". I say that you are a liar. That fetus is obviously 21 weeks old, or older, which means that not only is that not when "most abortions occur", as you dishonestly claim, but in most states abortions are illegal. so, care to post any other lies in support of your unsupportable position?

 

[chikenwing]

This is the stage of life where most children are aborted:

What week is that? What trimester?
Posting a picture, with no reference, and screaming, "This is what you're killing!!!!!" is evidence of absolutely nothing, and is nothing more than a pathetic appeal to emotion.

Absolutely nothing?? yep that there is for sure a yellow lab no question.

Yes, absolutely nothing. You did not make a claim to race. You made a claim as to "stage of development". I say that you are a liar. That fetus is obviously 21 weeks old, or older, which means that not only is that not when "most abortions occur", as you dishonestly claim, but in most states abortions are illegal. so, care to post any other lies in support of your unsupportable position?

WTF I claimed no dates no race other than human which every single unborn child is,and yes that may or may not be older than 21 weeks,but what relevance is that.

I just looked at an pick of our new grandchild,it was taken at about13 weeks looks just like that.

 

[chikenwing]

It's human life. What is that shown in the video?

Cancer cells are a "human life" - a living organism with human DNA markers. Your definition is still imprecise. It is not an independent, individual human being, and is, therefore, not afforded any "rights".

cancer cells are not human life but do continue to support murder even the federal government created a law protecting unborn children shocking ain't it

Cancer cells are just a human as an embryo, or early stage fetus. But feel free to keep using the term murder incorrectly, and talking about thins that do not exist.

Bwahahahah are you really going to try this really??wow gotta say its a new one,
Cancer cells and humans well I can say for sure my cancer would have never become a walking talking person.
What an idiot!!

I never said that it would. The only idiot here is the one that doesn't recognize that human cancer cells carry the exact same human genetic markers as embryos. Thus, one must wonder by what criteria you are calling it a "human life"? It certainly is not a human being, as I have already demonstrated that, by definition, it isn't. So, if you are not talking genetics, then by what standard are you calling this mass of cells "human life"?

So you can quote me when you say I made a claim that a cancer cell doesn't have human DNA
Did you miss the part about me having intimate knowledge about cancer,or not?
Projecting show ya got nothing.
Good greef its all right there in black and white yet your making shit up? what is wrong with you?

 

[chikenwing]

A great many of the children that are murdered are capable of "independent viability" At least as capable as my 6 moth old granddaughter or my father was a month before he died.

I don't think a reasonable person would ever use the concept of "independent viability" as a criteria for living or dying.

Of course if you believe in the concept of infanticide you are not that reasonable of a person, are you?

Not legally in this country (the US) they weren't, as most states already have a (uncontested) ban on abortions after the 21st week. And medically, fetuses are not considered viable before then. Even with extraordinary measures, exspensive machines, and incubators, they have a less than 2% chance of suvivability, hence not viable. care to try that again?

Ya let them live just a bit longer and they can.
Viability is just an excuse its not logical.

Actually viability is the only logical measurement. Every other argument is based on pure emotion. Now, if you choose to deny the rights of actual, existing people, in favour of a mass of cells that has the potential to possibly, perhaps, maybe become a person, based on irrational, emotional justifications, that's fine, but don't kid yourself into believing that you're being "logical".

Might become a person??
If not killed before birth it 100% guaranteed to be a human,every single time no matter what!
So what were you before you became a person? a parakeet?
Do you think before you psot nonsense like this?

It does?!?! Really? So miscarriages, accidents, still births? These never happen?!?! And you call me an idiot?!?! Nothing is ever 100% medically certain! Only a hysterical retard intent on defending their agenda beyond reason would ever claim something that stupid.

Thank you for playing. Do feel free to pick up your parting gifts on the way out...

You look in a mirror lately?

You should work on your reading comp skills,your attempts at quoting are rather pathetic.

 

[BULLDOG]

That is certainly a disgusting list of ideas. Fortunately, it is not the thinking of anyone but the rabid right wing anti abortionists. If you would consider the reasonable reasons why abortion should be allowed, you would realize your list is nothing more than a disgusting exaggeration spouted by the right wing, and your leaders are only telling you this crap for political reasons. They don't really care either way about abortion other than using it as a tool to stir up their supporters.

Everone has been repeated time and time again by pro abortion people over and over again,saying otherwise is just another lie
If people like yourself stop lying to themselves the conversation could move ahead,unfortunately,people like yourself,will never do that,so sad,but another inconvenient truth.

You got a link to those quotes?

Ahh the old call for the magical link,you read much?your ears work.

This is what you get,they really have nothing but excuses.

Sorry, but even though the right wing constantly claim they have heard these things, I have never seen a single one of the actual quotes. If it has been said so often, as you claim, by pro choice advocates, you should easily show a link. Otherwise, it's just more right wing bubble rhetoric.

You must live in a hole,under a rock with your head up your ass
learn how to pay attention,read listenTHINK!

I'll certainly give all your suggestions the consideration they deserve, but in the meantime, what about those links? They should be easy to find and back up your claims by a wise right winger as yourself. Otherwise, no link......no proof.

 

[chikenwing]

Everone has been repeated time and time again by pro abortion people over and over again,saying otherwise is just another lie
If people like yourself stop lying to themselves the conversation could move ahead,unfortunately,people like yourself,will never do that,so sad,but another inconvenient truth.

You got a link to those quotes?

Ahh the old call for the magical link,you read much?your ears work.

This is what you get,they really have nothing but excuses.

Sorry, but even though the right wing constantly claim they have heard these things, I have never seen a single one of the actual quotes. If it has been said so often, as you claim, by pro choice advocates, you should easily show a link. Otherwise, it's just more right wing bubble rhetoric.

You must live in a hole,under a rock with your head up your ass
learn how to pay attention,read listenTHINK!

I'll certainly give all your suggestions the consideration they deserve, but in the meantime, what about those links? They should be easy to find and back up your claims by a wise right winger as yourself. Otherwise, no link......no proof.

Ya run with that denial is just so special .

 

[Czernobog]

This is the stage of life where most children are aborted:

What week is that? What trimester?
Posting a picture, with no reference, and screaming, "This is what you're killing!!!!!" is evidence of absolutely nothing, and is nothing more than a pathetic appeal to emotion.

Absolutely nothing?? yep that there is for sure a yellow lab no question.

Yes, absolutely nothing. You did not make a claim to race. You made a claim as to "stage of development". I say that you are a liar. That fetus is obviously 21 weeks old, or older, which means that not only is that not when "most abortions occur", as you dishonestly claim, but in most states abortions are illegal. so, care to post any other lies in support of your unsupportable position?

WTF I claimed no dates no race other than human which every single unborn child is,and yes that may or may not be older than 21 weeks,but what relevance is that.

I just looked at an pick of our new grandchild,it was taken at about13 weeks looks just like that.

My mistake; it wasn't you that lied. It was Flash. You just gloated over his lie, as if it accomplished something.

 

[Czernobog]

Cancer cells are a "human life" - a living organism with human DNA markers. Your definition is still imprecise. It is not an independent, individual human being, and is, therefore, not afforded any "rights".

cancer cells are not human life but do continue to support murder even the federal government created a law protecting unborn children shocking ain't it

Cancer cells are just a human as an embryo, or early stage fetus. But feel free to keep using the term murder incorrectly, and talking about thins that do not exist.

Bwahahahah are you really going to try this really??wow gotta say its a new one,
Cancer cells and humans well I can say for sure my cancer would have never become a walking talking person.
What an idiot!!

I never said that it would. The only idiot here is the one that doesn't recognize that human cancer cells carry the exact same human genetic markers as embryos. Thus, one must wonder by what criteria you are calling it a "human life"? It certainly is not a human being, as I have already demonstrated that, by definition, it isn't. So, if you are not talking genetics, then by what standard are you calling this mass of cells "human life"?

So you can quote me when you say I made a claim that a cancer cell doesn't have human DNA
Did you miss the part about me having intimate knowledge about cancer,or not?
Projecting show ya got nothing.
Good greef its all right there in black and white yet your making shit up? what is wrong with you?

You can talk in circles all you like. You were the one who ridiculed the fact that there is no genetic difference between an embryo, and a clump of cancer cells. So, now that you're back-pedelling on that bit of stupidity, you are dismissed. Thank you for playing. Do feel free to pick up your parting gifts on the way out.

 

[chikenwing]

It's human life. What is that shown in the video?

Cancer cells are a "human life" - a living organism with human DNA markers. Your definition is still imprecise. It is not an independent, individual human being, and is, therefore, not afforded any "rights".

cancer cells are not human life but do continue to support murder even the federal government created a law protecting unborn children shocking ain't it

Cancer cells are just a human as an embryo, or early stage fetus. But feel free to keep using the term murder incorrectly, and talking about thins that do not exist.

Bwahahahah are you really going to try this really??wow gotta say its a new one,
Cancer cells and humans well I can say for sure my cancer would have never become a walking talking person.
What an idiot!!

I never said that it would. The only idiot here is the one that doesn't recognize that human cancer cells carry the exact same human genetic markers as embryos. Thus, one must wonder by what criteria you are calling it a "human life"? It certainly is not a human being, as I have already demonstrated that, by definition, it isn't. So, if you are not talking genetics, then by what standard are you calling this mass of cells "human life"?

Simple question is said embryo is left to develop,what would it be at 1 day old or 1 second after birth,do you think it just by chance became human or it just might have been a cocker spaniel instead?

 

[Czernobog]

Cancer cells are a "human life" - a living organism with human DNA markers. Your definition is still imprecise. It is not an independent, individual human being, and is, therefore, not afforded any "rights".

cancer cells are not human life but do continue to support murder even the federal government created a law protecting unborn children shocking ain't it

Cancer cells are just a human as an embryo, or early stage fetus. But feel free to keep using the term murder incorrectly, and talking about thins that do not exist.

Bwahahahah are you really going to try this really??wow gotta say its a new one,
Cancer cells and humans well I can say for sure my cancer would have never become a walking talking person.
What an idiot!!

I never said that it would. The only idiot here is the one that doesn't recognize that human cancer cells carry the exact same human genetic markers as embryos. Thus, one must wonder by what criteria you are calling it a "human life"? It certainly is not a human being, as I have already demonstrated that, by definition, it isn't. So, if you are not talking genetics, then by what standard are you calling this mass of cells "human life"?

Simple question is said embryo is left to develop,what would it be at 1 day old or 1 second after birth,do you think it just by chance became human or it just might have been a cocker spaniel instead?

Any of a number of things, including dead. Irrelevant. When it is something more than an embryo, more than a dependent fetus, then it deserves rights. Until then it is, at best, property of the pregnant person. Not a person. Not a human being. Not an individual. I already demonstrated the definition of all of those terms. Words have meaning, and those meanings matter. Conflating an embryo with something that it is not in order to make an emotional appeal only works on those as irrational, illogical, and emotional as yourself.

 

[BULLDOG]

You got a link to those quotes?

Ahh the old call for the magical link,you read much?your ears work.

This is what you get,they really have nothing but excuses.

Sorry, but even though the right wing constantly claim they have heard these things, I have never seen a single one of the actual quotes. If it has been said so often, as you claim, by pro choice advocates, you should easily show a link. Otherwise, it's just more right wing bubble rhetoric.

You must live in a hole,under a rock with your head up your ass
learn how to pay attention,read listenTHINK!

I'll certainly give all your suggestions the consideration they deserve, but in the meantime, what about those links? They should be easy to find and back up your claims by a wise right winger as yourself. Otherwise, no link......no proof.

Ya run with that denial is just so special .

I'm not the one that made unsubstantiated claims. You now have three choices.
1. You can provide the link and prove your claim.
2. You can admit your claims are just crap you heard from Hannity(or another right wing liar)
3. You can run and hide after you insult me and show yourself to be a blowhard.

Your turn sweetlips.

 

[chikenwing]

This is the stage of life where most children are aborted:

What week is that? What trimester?
Posting a picture, with no reference, and screaming, "This is what you're killing!!!!!" is evidence of absolutely nothing, and is nothing more than a pathetic appeal to emotion.

Absolutely nothing?? yep that there is for sure a yellow lab no question.

Yes, absolutely nothing. You did not make a claim to race. You made a claim as to "stage of development". I say that you are a liar. That fetus is obviously 21 weeks old, or older, which means that not only is that not when "most abortions occur", as you dishonestly claim, but in most states abortions are illegal. so, care to post any other lies in support of your unsupportable position?

WTF I claimed no dates no race other than human which every single unborn child is,and yes that may or may not be older than 21 weeks,but what relevance is that.

I just looked at an pick of our new grandchild,it was taken at about13 weeks looks just like that.

My mistake; it wasn't you that lied. It was Flash. You just gloated over his lie, as if it accomplished something.

This is the stage of life where most children are aborted:

What week is that? What trimester?
Posting a picture, with no reference, and screaming, "This is what you're killing!!!!!" is evidence of absolutely nothing, and is nothing more than a pathetic appeal to emotion.

Absolutely nothing?? yep that there is for sure a yellow lab no question.

Yes, absolutely nothing. You did not make a claim to race. You made a claim as to "stage of development". I say that you are a liar. That fetus is obviously 21 weeks old, or older, which means that not only is that not when "most abortions occur", as you dishonestly claim, but in most states abortions are illegal. so, care to post any other lies in support of your unsupportable position?

WTF I claimed no dates no race other than human which every single unborn child is,and yes that may or may not be older than 21 weeks,but what relevance is that.

I just looked at an pick of our new grandchild,it was taken at about13 weeks looks just like that.

My mistake; it wasn't you that lied. It was Flash. You just gloated over his lie, as if it accomplished something.

WTF your at it again I made no comment about said post??!!

And I never commented one way or the other originally about cancer cell DNA,certainly never denied that cancer cells are the hosts own cells,ya fucking idiot do you read much?

Talking in circles seems to be your MO.

 

[Czernobog]

What week is that? What trimester?
Posting a picture, with no reference, and screaming, "This is what you're killing!!!!!" is evidence of absolutely nothing, and is nothing more than a pathetic appeal to emotion.

Absolutely nothing?? yep that there is for sure a yellow lab no question.

Yes, absolutely nothing. You did not make a claim to race. You made a claim as to "stage of development". I say that you are a liar. That fetus is obviously 21 weeks old, or older, which means that not only is that not when "most abortions occur", as you dishonestly claim, but in most states abortions are illegal. so, care to post any other lies in support of your unsupportable position?

WTF I claimed no dates no race other than human which every single unborn child is,and yes that may or may not be older than 21 weeks,but what relevance is that.

I just looked at an pick of our new grandchild,it was taken at about13 weeks looks just like that.

My mistake; it wasn't you that lied. It was Flash. You just gloated over his lie, as if it accomplished something.

What week is that? What trimester?
Posting a picture, with no reference, and screaming, "This is what you're killing!!!!!" is evidence of absolutely nothing, and is nothing more than a pathetic appeal to emotion.

Absolutely nothing?? yep that there is for sure a yellow lab no question.

Yes, absolutely nothing. You did not make a claim to race. You made a claim as to "stage of development". I say that you are a liar. That fetus is obviously 21 weeks old, or older, which means that not only is that not when "most abortions occur", as you dishonestly claim, but in most states abortions are illegal. so, care to post any other lies in support of your unsupportable position?

WTF I claimed no dates no race other than human which every single unborn child is,and yes that may or may not be older than 21 weeks,but what relevance is that.

I just looked at an pick of our new grandchild,it was taken at about13 weeks looks just like that.

My mistake; it wasn't you that lied. It was Flash. You just gloated over his lie, as if it accomplished something.

WTF your at it again I made no comment about said post??!!

If your post had nothing to do with Flash's post, then why the fuck were you quoting it?!?! of course I assumed that you were referring to the post you were fucking quoting! What would you expect one to think?!?!?

 

[chikenwing]

cancer cells are not human life but do continue to support murder even the federal government created a law protecting unborn children shocking ain't it

Cancer cells are just a human as an embryo, or early stage fetus. But feel free to keep using the term murder incorrectly, and talking about thins that do not exist.

Bwahahahah are you really going to try this really??wow gotta say its a new one,
Cancer cells and humans well I can say for sure my cancer would have never become a walking talking person.
What an idiot!!

I never said that it would. The only idiot here is the one that doesn't recognize that human cancer cells carry the exact same human genetic markers as embryos. Thus, one must wonder by what criteria you are calling it a "human life"? It certainly is not a human being, as I have already demonstrated that, by definition, it isn't. So, if you are not talking genetics, then by what standard are you calling this mass of cells "human life"?

Simple question is said embryo is left to develop,what would it be at 1 day old or 1 second after birth,do you think it just by chance became human or it just might have been a cocker spaniel instead?

Any of a number of things, including dead. Irrelevant. When it is something more than an embryo, more than a dependent fetus, then it deserves rights. Until then it is, at best, property of the pregnant person. Not a person. Not a human being. Not an individual. I already demonstrated the definition of all of those terms. Words have meaning, and those meanings matter. Conflating an embryo with something that it is not in order to make an emotional appeal only works on those as irrational, illogical, and emotional as yourself.

Denying humanity its a tried an tested method of disposal.It should warm your little heart your in company with the world most despicable people.

 

[chikenwing]

Absolutely nothing?? yep that there is for sure a yellow lab no question.

Yes, absolutely nothing. You did not make a claim to race. You made a claim as to "stage of development". I say that you are a liar. That fetus is obviously 21 weeks old, or older, which means that not only is that not when "most abortions occur", as you dishonestly claim, but in most states abortions are illegal. so, care to post any other lies in support of your unsupportable position?

WTF I claimed no dates no race other than human which every single unborn child is,and yes that may or may not be older than 21 weeks,but what relevance is that.

I just looked at an pick of our new grandchild,it was taken at about13 weeks looks just like that.

My mistake; it wasn't you that lied. It was Flash. You just gloated over his lie, as if it accomplished something.

Absolutely nothing?? yep that there is for sure a yellow lab no question.

Yes, absolutely nothing. You did not make a claim to race. You made a claim as to "stage of development". I say that you are a liar. That fetus is obviously 21 weeks old, or older, which means that not only is that not when "most abortions occur", as you dishonestly claim, but in most states abortions are illegal. so, care to post any other lies in support of your unsupportable position?

WTF I claimed no dates no race other than human which every single unborn child is,and yes that may or may not be older than 21 weeks,but what relevance is that.

I just looked at an pick of our new grandchild,it was taken at about13 weeks looks just like that.

My mistake; it wasn't you that lied. It was Flash. You just gloated over his lie, as if it accomplished something.

WTF your at it again I made no comment about said post??!!

If your post had nothing to do with Flash's post, then why the fuck were you quoting it?!?! of course I assumed that you were referring to the post you were fucking quoting! What would you expect one to think?!?!?

The quotes get bundled pay attention.

 

[BULLDOG]

Cancer cells are a "human life" - a living organism with human DNA markers. Your definition is still imprecise. It is not an independent, individual human being, and is, therefore, not afforded any "rights".

cancer cells are not human life but do continue to support murder even the federal government created a law protecting unborn children shocking ain't it

Cancer cells are just a human as an embryo, or early stage fetus. But feel free to keep using the term murder incorrectly, and talking about thins that do not exist.

Bwahahahah are you really going to try this really??wow gotta say its a new one,
Cancer cells and humans well I can say for sure my cancer would have never become a walking talking person.
What an idiot!!

I never said that it would. The only idiot here is the one that doesn't recognize that human cancer cells carry the exact same human genetic markers as embryos. Thus, one must wonder by what criteria you are calling it a "human life"? It certainly is not a human being, as I have already demonstrated that, by definition, it isn't. So, if you are not talking genetics, then by what standard are you calling this mass of cells "human life"?

Simple question is said embryo is left to develop,what would it be at 1 day old or 1 second after birth,do you think it just by chance became human or it just might have been a cocker spaniel instead?

A simple question, but not really pertinent at this point of the conversation. If you are actually concerned about human life, but don't care about cancer cells, then you aren't , by definition, concerned about all human life. Why won't you be more specific about what your concern is? When do you think a zygote becomes a separate human?