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I do not have to do anything. Others know what I am talking about. I can't help it if you do not. And as I said, it does not matter how long it has been going on, it is corrupt...there's nothing for ''we the people'', and there is no reason to vote. THAT is what I think. and I have as much the right to think it as you do what you think.
Oh, I know... people do that all the time... they just bow up and call something "corrupt" because they don't like it. It's also what petulant little children do. They don't like the rules so they stomp their feet and say "it's not fair!" But rational adults who are being objective don't do that. We understand there are rules and the rules exist for a reason. It's not corrupt or unfair because we don't like the rules.
As for "we the people" ...we don't live in a pure democracy... we never have. If you want to live in a pure democracy, go find one and live there... this ain't one. We live in a republic and we have republican systems. This prevents us from having mob rule. Now you may prefer mob rule... but most people don't. Again, that's not unfair or corrupt, it's just the way life goes. Sometimes you have to tolerate things you don't like. Or.... you can stomp your feet and act like a petulant spoiled child. It's a free country.
But Cruz got 0% of the vote in Co. and 100% of the Delegates. You are comparing apples and oranges. In the states you mentioned the voters voted, their votes counted. In Co. they didn't.CO voters didn't get to pick the candidate and you can spin it to become so.
Neither did the voters in Nevada or Hawaii. In Florida, Trump got 45% of the vote but 100% of the delegates. How was that fair? In Ohio, Kasich got 47% of the vote but 100% of the delegates and he can't even win the nomination. How is that fair?
I do not have to do anything. Others know what I am talking about. I can't help it if you do not. And as I said, it does not matter how long it has been going on, it is corrupt...there's nothing for ''we the people'', and there is no reason to vote. THAT is what I think. and I have as much the right to think it as you do what you think.
Oh, I know... people do that all the time... they just bow up and call something "corrupt" because they don't like it. It's also what petulant little children do. They don't like the rules so they stomp their feet and say "it's not fair!" But rational adults who are being objective don't do that. We understand there are rules and the rules exist for a reason. It's not corrupt or unfair because we don't like the rules.
As for "we the people" ...we don't live in a pure democracy... we never have. If you want to live in a pure democracy, go find one and live there... this ain't one. We live in a republic and we have republican systems. This prevents us from having mob rule. Now you may prefer mob rule... but most people don't. Again, that's not unfair or corrupt, it's just the way life goes. Sometimes you have to tolerate things you don't like. Or.... you can stomp your feet and act like a petulant spoiled child. It's a free country.
Oh is it?
Look mister Boss man. I do not need lectures from you. I am perfectly capable of drawing my own conclusions on my own. Furthermore, you seem to be the one stomping and freaking because you are so scared Cruz won't get in. Why you are clinging to that ambulance chaser is beyond me...BUT since it is a free country, you are free to do so, just as I am free to do and say as I wish. See how that works??
I do not have to do anything. Others know what I am talking about. I can't help it if you do not. And as I said, it does not matter how long it has been going on, it is corrupt...there's nothing for ''we the people'', and there is no reason to vote. THAT is what I think. and I have as much the right to think it as you do what you think.
Oh, I know... people do that all the time... they just bow up and call something "corrupt" because they don't like it. It's also what petulant little children do. They don't like the rules so they stomp their feet and say "it's not fair!" But rational adults who are being objective don't do that. We understand there are rules and the rules exist for a reason. It's not corrupt or unfair because we don't like the rules.
As for "we the people" ...we don't live in a pure democracy... we never have. If you want to live in a pure democracy, go find one and live there... this ain't one. We live in a republic and we have republican systems. This prevents us from having mob rule. Now you may prefer mob rule... but most people don't. Again, that's not unfair or corrupt, it's just the way life goes. Sometimes you have to tolerate things you don't like. Or.... you can stomp your feet and act like a petulant spoiled child. It's a free country.
Oh is it?
Look mister Boss man. I do not need lectures from you. I am perfectly capable of drawing my own conclusions on my own. Furthermore, you seem to be the one stomping and freaking because you are so scared Cruz won't get in. Why you are clinging to that ambulance chaser is beyond me...BUT since it is a free country, you are free to do so, just as I am free to do and say as I wish. See how that works??
Nah... I am not scared a bit. I think the process is working splendidly and I expect Ted Cruz to go on and win the nomination for the GOP. I've already told you why I support Cruz, he is the only Constitutional Conservative running. I've supported him from Day One and will continue to do so.
What has changed with me is my position on Donald Trump. You can find old threads here by me where I have defended Trump, made the argument for why he wouldn't be a bad choice as president, pointing out his strengths, etc. I said that I planned to vote for whomever the GOP nominated because I'm not going to vote for the Socialist. When Trump made the Mexican comments and then the Planned Parenthood comment, even the Megyn Kelly flap... I defended him against the onslaught of criticism. But he went too far for me. He wouldn't shut up! He kept bashing and trashing and smearing and sleazing until he turned me off completely and now I will not vote for him under any circumstance. DONE!
I'm voting for Trump even if I have to vote third party to do so.I don't care what the fucking vote totals were. I want to beat the democrats and I don't care which member of the GOP does that and you shouldn't either. WE CAN NOT TAKE AN OBAMA 3RD TERM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I didn't so answer the damn question, what were the vote totals!?
He's a Theocrat.I do not have to do anything. Others know what I am talking about. I can't help it if you do not. And as I said, it does not matter how long it has been going on, it is corrupt...there's nothing for ''we the people'', and there is no reason to vote. THAT is what I think. and I have as much the right to think it as you do what you think.
Oh, I know... people do that all the time... they just bow up and call something "corrupt" because they don't like it. It's also what petulant little children do. They don't like the rules so they stomp their feet and say "it's not fair!" But rational adults who are being objective don't do that. We understand there are rules and the rules exist for a reason. It's not corrupt or unfair because we don't like the rules.
As for "we the people" ...we don't live in a pure democracy... we never have. If you want to live in a pure democracy, go find one and live there... this ain't one. We live in a republic and we have republican systems. This prevents us from having mob rule. Now you may prefer mob rule... but most people don't. Again, that's not unfair or corrupt, it's just the way life goes. Sometimes you have to tolerate things you don't like. Or.... you can stomp your feet and act like a petulant spoiled child. It's a free country.
Oh is it?
Look mister Boss man. I do not need lectures from you. I am perfectly capable of drawing my own conclusions on my own. Furthermore, you seem to be the one stomping and freaking because you are so scared Cruz won't get in. Why you are clinging to that ambulance chaser is beyond me...BUT since it is a free country, you are free to do so, just as I am free to do and say as I wish. See how that works??
Nah... I am not scared a bit. I think the process is working splendidly and I expect Ted Cruz to go on and win the nomination for the GOP. I've already told you why I support Cruz, he is the only Constitutional Conservative running. I've supported him from Day One and will continue to do so.
What has changed with me is my position on Donald Trump. You can find old threads here by me where I have defended Trump, made the argument for why he wouldn't be a bad choice as president, pointing out his strengths, etc. I said that I planned to vote for whomever the GOP nominated because I'm not going to vote for the Socialist. When Trump made the Mexican comments and then the Planned Parenthood comment, even the Megyn Kelly flap... I defended him against the onslaught of criticism. But he went too far for me. He wouldn't shut up! He kept bashing and trashing and smearing and sleazing until he turned me off completely and now I will not vote for him under any circumstance. DONE!
Next time? I really AM from Colorado, born here. Why the snark?I am from Colorado, Trump didn't bother to show his mug here, the rules were made clear a year ago how the system worked. Trump's negligence and incompetence is THEIR fault, not a conspiracy. At least Cruz bothered to follow the rules, and he bothered to show up.
And next week, you'll be from New York![]()
-The GOP, which is correctly known as the stupid party, oh wow, they really did themselves in by screwing the voters in Colorado. From voters burning their GOP papers, to Rush Limbaugh saying the GOP has done itself decades of damage. Where I believe Rush is wrong is, the stupid party would be fortunate to have done themselves decades of damage, because I think the stupid party will soon be history, just like the Whig Party.
Several members of my family, and friends are leaving the GOP over this, and finally going third party. I've always been registered third party because I always knew the GOP was just as big of a pile of shit as the Democratic Party.
I truly hope this the end of the GOP, it would serve them right for decades of hating their voting base, lying to them, stabbing them in the back, betraying America.
Burn in hell GOP
You want to know how much I care about Hillary? I spend zero seconds of my day thinking about Hillary. I have 2 priorities for this election. Convincing people that Cruz is a lying, cheating asshole lunatic (which he is); and convincing people that supporting Sanders, an open and unapologetic communist is a disaster for this country.What I want to see is you calling out Hillary for her cheating; otherwise you're just a cherry picking asshole.
If it's Trump vs. Hillary I can stay home and laugh and laugh and laugh. If it's Cruz vs. Sanders then it's time to start thinking maybe the crazies are right and the country really is lost.
HIllary and Cruz are virtually the same person.
That is literally the stupidest statement I've ever seen
What will you get different with Cruz than Hillary?
Conservative judges
Border wall
Balanced budget
Tax deduction
Strong military
To name a few
we don't need another Clinton....I'm voting for Trump even if I have to vote third party to do so.
WE also don't need another Bush
He's a Theocrat.
He's a Theocrat.
Is he? Good for him, but we don't live in a theocracy and can't have a theocracy unless we repeal the First Amendment. I actually think he's NOT a theocrat, he just believes in God.... you know, like EVERY president we've ever elected?
You really think the smart Presidents believed in Magic Sky Fairies and Talking Snakes? Naw man, they were just telling you RUBES that. Then they'd go off and fuck their mistresses.
Of course they could vote, but in the precinct elections. If they didn't get elected there, they had no right to vote in either the county or state caucus. Are you attempting to prove the Donald won precinct elections and his delegates from those were unlawfully denied the vote? The idiot who burned his card failed to show up for a subsequent county caucus and then whined when he was not allowed a vote at the state caucus.Didn't you read the news, the voters weren't given a chance to vote. no vote = 0%Where are you getting this stuff about Cruz getting 0% of the Colo vote?But Cruz got 0% of the vote in Co. and 100% of the Delegates. You are comparing apples and oranges. In the states you mentioned the voters voted, their votes counted. In Co. they didn't.CO voters didn't get to pick the candidate and you can spin it to become so.
Neither did the voters in Nevada or Hawaii. In Florida, Trump got 45% of the vote but 100% of the delegates. How was that fair? In Ohio, Kasich got 47% of the vote but 100% of the delegates and he can't even win the nomination. How is that fair?
shut up moron..I never had a problem with Trump, until he started acting a fool. I 'll still vote for him over the witch so STFU...You don't know me you old fool
I won't... I'm done! Done with whiny and petulant Trump AND his supporters. I'll stay home or vote 3rd party before I vote for Trump... you can thank his sleazy despicable tactics and his equally sleazy despicable supporters.
#NeverTrump
Another vote thrown away ... if you want to make a statement, buy a fucking sign, don't waste your vote.
Sorry... I was ready and prepared to vote for Trump over the Socialists... still wish I could. I hate like hell to think of what they're going to do to our nation with another 4 years in power... BUT... I cannot support this man any longer. If he wins the nomination, I will not vote for him. His sleazeball tactics and the general smart-ass attitude of his supporters has turned me against him and I ain't coming back.... Color me DONE!
You want to know how much I care about Hillary? I spend zero seconds of my day thinking about Hillary. I have 2 priorities for this election. Convincing people that Cruz is a lying, cheating asshole lunatic (which he is); and convincing people that supporting Sanders, an open and unapologetic communist is a disaster for this country.Bernie seems to be doing just fine. Waaaaay better than expected. You want to see something the Democrats have that the GOP doesn't?
And show me your links about the DNC stealing the nomination from Bernie.
Colorado Caucus Election Results
What I want to see is you calling out Hillary for her cheating; otherwise you're just a cherry picking asshole.
If it's Trump vs. Hillary I can stay home and laugh and laugh and laugh. If it's Cruz vs. Sanders then it's time to start thinking maybe the crazies are right and the country really is lost.
HIllary and Cruz are virtually the same person.
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Look at Cruz's mind blowing "organization" and "work"!
This circus is an f'ing disgrace. And you have the gall to tell the people of Colorado that they should not be allowed the right to vote? Fuck that. My relatives didn't take bullets for this nonsense!
The GOP, which is correctly known as the stupid party, oh wow, they really did themselves in by screwing the voters in Colorado. From voters burning their GOP papers, to Rush Limbaugh saying the GOP has done itself decades of damage. Where I believe Rush is wrong is, the stupid party would be fortunate to have done themselves decades of damage, because I think the stupid party will soon be history, just like the Whig Party.
Several members of my family, and friends are leaving the GOP over this, and finally going third party. I've always been registered third party because I always knew the GOP was just as big of a pile of shit as the Democratic Party.
I truly hope this the end of the GOP, it would serve them right for decades of hating their voting base, lying to them, stabbing them in the back, betraying America.
Burn in hell GOP
What moronic bullshit ....
As a republican in Colorado, I can assure you they did just exactly what the people said they should do. This system has been in place for years, and nobody complained. Now, all of sudden, we get a bunch of election idiots who want to change it just because they didn't get an answer they like.
Get over it ...
As for your family and friends ... go third party, throw away your votes on a meaningless statement, and hand the election to Hillary. You should be proud that stupidity runs so rampant in your family.
The GOP, which is correctly known as the stupid party, oh wow, they really did themselves in by screwing the voters in Colorado. From voters burning their GOP papers, to Rush Limbaugh saying the GOP has done itself decades of damage. Where I believe Rush is wrong is, the stupid party would be fortunate to have done themselves decades of damage, because I think the stupid party will soon be history, just like the Whig Party.
Several members of my family, and friends are leaving the GOP over this, and finally going third party. I've always been registered third party because I always knew the GOP was just as big of a pile of shit as the Democratic Party.
I truly hope this the end of the GOP, it would serve them right for decades of hating their voting base, lying to them, stabbing them in the back, betraying America.
Burn in hell GOP
What moronic bullshit ....
As a republican in Colorado, I can assure you they did just exactly what the people said they should do. This system has been in place for years, and nobody complained. Now, all of sudden, we get a bunch of election idiots who want to change it just because they didn't get an answer they like.
Get over it ...
As for your family and friends ... go third party, throw away your votes on a meaningless statement, and hand the election to Hillary. You should be proud that stupidity runs so rampant in your family.
A Republican in Colorado. Really. Well this is interesting because they changed the rules last August. This was designed to keep non establishment candidates from winning the state.
Motive:
"The Colorado system often favors anti-establishment candidates who draw a dedicated following among activists — as evidenced by Rick Santorum's victory in 2012 caucus. So the party's move may hurt GOP contenders such as Donald Trump, Ben Carson and Rand Paul, who would have received a boost if they won the state."
The BIG WHOPPER
"The move, he said, would give Colorado delegates the freedom to support any candidate eligible at the Cleveland convention in July. Republican National Committee officials confirmed that the change complies with party rules."
Step 1:
"The GOP executive committee has voted to cancel the traditional presidential preference poll after the national party changed its rules to require a state's delegates to support the candidate who wins the caucus vote."
Step 2 And please notice 6 members were absent for the vote
"State Republican Party Chairman Steve House said the party's 24-member executive committee made the unanimous decision Friday — six members were absent — to skip the preference poll."
Colorado Republicans cancel presidential vote at 2016 caucus
Move makes Colorado only state to date to opt out of early nomination process
By John Frank
The Denver Post
You keep repeating yourself like a parrot. Blaming media outlets isn't going to work for you. CO voters didn't get to pick the candidate and you can spin it to become so.What do the rules say?Oh they did? What were the results of their vote?Voting in a straw poll that would do nothing anyway. And voters caucused on March 1, 2016
Super Tuesday leaves Colorado GOP guessing
You really need to stop thinking that just because FOX News and ABC say delegates are awarded to candidate A, after a caucus, that they are. Many states will hold state conventions weeks after a caucus and then decide what they will actually do with delegates. Voters and caucus goers only get to pick a preference. The party decides. It is their primary. It is not about democracy. Party primaries are inherently undemocratic
And no one is stealing or playing with unbound delegates
FAIL.
I'm a Trumpette because I asked you to back up the claim that a vote for anybody else was a vote against Trump? You're just trying to make facts fir your beliefs. No one said the party acted illegally, why trot out that strawman? Whether it's legal for them or not doesn't make it ethical.You can't honestly make that claim. First off, Colorado changed their game plan last summer, not 1856. The field was very large in the beginning and even now there are three dividing up the delegate count. If you have evidence all the votes that didn't go to Trump was a vote against him then post it up. All we know is people preferred someone else. Trump could have been their second pick for all you know.I'm fine with that. Trump would still win the plurality. Now, stfu, hack.
But plurality has never nominated the GOP candidate. That's not the rules... you don't want a "rigged" system do you? The nominee must receive a MAJORITY of delegates.. been that way since the party's inception in 1856. You say you wan't "will of the people" but the will of the people is they mostly don't want Trump. So do you WANT will of the people or NOT?
Uhm... Yes I can honestly make that claim because it's the truth. Colorado can change it's game plan, so can every other state party, so can the national party. Heck, the national party can change it's game plan at the convention. This has also always been the case since 1856. What has never changed is the requirement for the nominee to get a majority of delegates and not simply a plurality.
I never claimed that delegates not going to Trump were delegates against Trump. The nominee is not chosen on the basis of how many or few delegates are against them. The nominee is also not chosen on the basis of who is second most popular. Since the party's inception in 1856, it has been the candidate with a majority of delegates. There is a process to follow if no one gets the majority on the first ballot.
If the GOP based the nomination on plurality, we would have never nominated Abraham Lincoln, the GOP candidate in 1860 would have been William Seward. He had the plurality of delegates on the first ballot.... but that's not how the GOP nominates a candidate. That's not the process. They MUST get a majority, not a plurality.
Now, you Trumpettes will whine about "will of the people" and how it's not fair but the rules are a majority and not a plurality precisely because of "will of the people." If the majority of delegates support someone other than Trump, that's the will of the people. Some of the candidates they are bound to support are no longer in the race. Some have no chance of securing a majority of delegates. After the first ballot, if no one has a majority, the delegates are released from their obligation to support a specific candidate.
You'll say, but that's not fair, the people voted for the delegates and their vote should count... but that's not how political parties select candidates. The GOP is not obligated to a democratic process. This is not a "one-man-one-vote" process. Even the presidency itself is not determined on the basis of popular vote. So the GOP has a process as do the Democrats and the process will be followed as it always is. I'm sorry that so many Americans seems to be confused or lack the education to understand the process but that's life... it's not always fair.
I would think that Mr. Trump would be comfortable with a brokered convention. After all, isn't his big claim to fame his ability to cut deals and negotiate? Well, this is where that will come into play. After the first ballot, the front-runners will lobby delegates to come over to their camp. Trump has the same opportunity as Cruz, Kasich or others. The problem as I see it is, Trump hasn't made too many friends. Maybe I am wrong... maybe people deep down love Trump? Maybe Trump has the ability to apply his masterful negotiation and deal making skills in order to secure the needed delegates?
In any event, the GOP nominee will be the first person to obtain a majority of the delegates at the convention. This isn't a democratic process, it never has been. This is not the NFL playoffs or American Idol. Who people voted for has no real bearing on who the party nominates as their candidate. Just as the president is not elected by the popular vote, that's the process... that's how this works.