Allowing conceal carry in schools

[Ray From Cleveland]

Citizens have the right to carry concealed firearms pursuant to the right of self-defense, not act in the capacity of ‘law enforcement’ or to otherwise ‘deter’ crime.

This is particularly true in a school situation.

No, you are wrong. My state mirrors the carry laws of many other states. Here, we have the legal right to use deadly force if we believe that we (or others) are in jeopardy of serious bodily harm or death.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If only there were some kind of program that could coordinate efforts between the community and schools that bolster school safety and help protect our kids.

Oh wait.

"The National School Shield® program was introduced in December 2012 as a new initiative focused on improving school security in an effort to help prevent national tragedies at educational institutions in America. A National School Shield Task Force, led by former Congressman Asa Hutchinson, recruited a team of security experts and, in April 2013, issued an official report documenting a clear need to address school violence and recommendations on best practices in school security.

Per the published findings of the National School Shield® Task Force, there has been insufficient attention paid to school security needs in our nation. While there are numerous government agencies and programs that provide valuable school safety resources, there is a lack of coordination between the agencies resulting in gaps, duplication and inefficiencies. Furthermore, for schools wanting to comprehensively address school security matters, persistent funding challenges often prevent districts from implementing necessary changes and can even lead to the elimination of once successful school security programs."

National School Shield | About

Those NRA bastards.

For the most part, schools are locally funded. Any school in the country could have created security measures to their liking. That's why these kids bitching about the shooting look foolish. This isn't a federal government issue--it's a local government issue. And if you scope out the news today, local governments are responding to this shooing and offering support for increased security before something like this happens.

Right! Which is why this whole, national, Pavlovian effort to blame guns and "take it to Washington" waiting for them to pass a law or blame someone for supporting the 2nd Amendment is so full of dogcrap. Government CAUSES far more problems than it solves, and whatever solutions can be found, if any, in the interim all that matters right now is HOW ARE THE SCHOOLS GOING TO START PULLING THEIR WEIGHT and making child safety, REAL child safety a first priority?

Given the fact this is less about school safety and more about advancing a political agenda, the Democrats made it a national issue. If it were contained at the local level, it doesn't benefit them politically.

If they want to protest anybody, protest your neighbors since they pay the school taxes. Protest your Mayor or even Governor. But the last person they should be protesting is the President of the United States since it is not his issue.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Which specific weapons are teachers supposed to carry? The discussion is surrounding concealable weapons. Pistols or revolvers. Attackers seem to prefer long guns, assault rifles.

If the pistol or revolver is deemed adequate defense for a classroom, why do some say they absolutely need an assault rifle? If indeed a pistol or revolver does provide adequate defense, what is the virtue of the assault rifle? Why is it necessary?

Or should teachers sling an assault rifle while conducting classroom activities? Would a teacher armed with a rifle be appropriate?

First of all, a revolver is a pistol. Secondly, the longer the barrel of a gun, the more accuracy you have. So it's a matter of opinion what is needed or how comfortable one feels using either weapon.

If it's a security guard, then a rifle is a little overboard given the inconvenience of carrying it around and the unlikelihood something like this will happen in their school. If it's a teacher in a classroom with a gun safe, then a rifle would be a better choice of weapon.

 

[DJT for Life]

Why?Well, for starters when they are standing there, defenseless and the shooter opens up, they may want a weapon If there are teachers that cannot handle it, they won't be forced to carry a weapon.There are some in every school that want to carry a weapon. We should let them, as long as they know what they are doing with it.It doesn't matter that all the shooters have been males. The teacher is not going to be asked to engage in hand-to-hand combat. Just pull the trigger and kill the sob before he kills the students.

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Confirmed. It's a low-life guy thing.
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No answer...huh?

 

[blackhawk]

According to one Lawrence O'Donnell a hadgun would do no good because a bullet from an AR-15 travels 3x faster than one from a handgun.
MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell Makes The Dumbest Case Against Armed Guards EVER

 

[Manonthestreet]

i really don’t see the downside of allowing teachers or even mature students carrying concealed weapons at school. In the 18th and 19th century this was a common occurrence without any issue.

I keep getting told that we can’t trust our teachers with a firearm. That makes no sense. If we can’t trust our teachers to protect our children then how can we trust them to teach our children?

Just because someone can teach calculus does not mean that they can hit the broad side of a barn with a gun.

even if they could their shooting skills abandon them if someone is shooting back if they're not VERY HIGHLY TRAINED in a firefight situation ..

Same can be said of the child shooter.....you watch tape on a business or home owner defending themselves with a gun once first return shot is fired they turn tail quickly in a lot of instances

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

According to one Lawrence O'Donnell a hadgun would do no good because a bullet from an AR-15 travels 3x faster than one from a handgun.
MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell Makes The Dumbest Case Against Armed Guards EVER

Then I guess you have to be three times faster dodging it.

Liberal logic. One day I do hope they find a cure.

 

[blackhawk]

According to one Lawrence O'Donnell a hadgun would do no good because a bullet from an AR-15 travels 3x faster than one from a handgun.
MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell Makes The Dumbest Case Against Armed Guards EVER

Then I guess you have to be three times faster dodging it.

Liberal logic. One day I do hope they find a cure.

That was a great example of why it's all but impossible to have a serious discussion on how to stop these type of mass shootings.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

According to one Lawrence O'Donnell a hadgun would do no good because a bullet from an AR-15 travels 3x faster than one from a handgun.
MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell Makes The Dumbest Case Against Armed Guards EVER

Then I guess you have to be three times faster dodging it.

Liberal logic. One day I do hope they find a cure.

That was a great example of why it's all but impossible to have a serious discussion on how to stop these type of mass shootings.

Of course, because most of them have never shot a gun in their lives, and they come here trying to give us advice on them. That would be like us telling them the best way to make a pussy hat.