America needs an intervention. Your are Cordially Invited to Participate.

[AnCap'n_Murica]

All governments have a life span.

Governments are like stars. They grow bigger, and bigger, and bigger, until one of two things happen. They explode or the collapse on themselves and create a black hole that sucks in everything around them.

Or, in the instance of Chile, a man who wasn't going to take any shit to assume power.

Murica doesn't need a revolution, it needs a Pinochet.

You assume a person could actually be allowed to assume power who has not already sold their soul to the powers that be.

Where did Pinochet come from? Hadn't he supposedly sold his soul to Peron?

 

[Votto]

You don't understand, do you?

Collectivists want full control, not just over their own government, but governments all around the world.

It is how they roll.

What you are fighting is human nature. Mankind seeks control, and the once he has control he seeks to secure his control, and then seeks more power.

Never met such a person - are you sure he/she exists outside your head?

Well let's see, people like you want everyone's guns, they despise a free market and want to dictate how we spend our money and how much money we can actually have, then you want to terrorize anyone who is not PC by publically shaming them to the point where they have no more social life and can't find a job, they pass about 40,000 new laws and regulations in the US government every year, and as we know, with each law freedom wanes. Really these busy bodies are everywhere these days. We pollute too much, build houses that are too bid, we drive cars that burn too much fuel, we eat too much, we have too many children, etc., etc., etc.

As I said, such collectivists want full and absolute control. There utopia is not achievable, but they seek to achieve it anyway, which means a never ending cycle of trying to gain more and more power.

 

[flacaltenn]

Let's START the intervention eh? I want you to scan the first 2 pages of the USMB Politics forum listings.

Tell me what you see there..

USMB Politics isn't an accurate cross-section of Americans. Like most political forums, it's mostly a listing of political junkies, many of whom lean excessively Left or Right. In the case of USMB, mostly Right. In the case of other political forums, one or the other.

I happen to think it's BETTER than watching cable news. I learn more in 10 minutes on USMB politics than I do watching HOURS of CNN, Fox or MSNBC. But for the sake of the Intervention --- here's the current Google top list of political news stories... What do you see? What do you NOT see?


NBCNews.com
Unforced Errors: Donald Trump Misses on Two Hillary Clinton Stories
NBCNews.com - ‎1 hour ago‎




Politico
'Walmart Moms' lament 2016 options
Politico - ‎12 hours ago‎




McClatchy Washington Bureau
How do Muslim parents explain this election to their children?
McClatchy Washington Bureau - ‎4 hours ago‎




Washington Post
Bernie Sanders buys a $575000 vacation home and the Internet cries hypocrisy
Washington Post - ‎9 hours ago‎




Huffington Post
Federal Judge Officially Weakens Texas' Voter ID Law Before The Election
Huffington Post - ‎7 hours ago‎




MassLive.com
Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani defends Donald Trump against GOP national security officials' criticism
MassLive.com - ‎Aug 9, 2016‎




TwinCities.com-Pioneer Press
Stassen-Berger: Takeaways from the Minnesota primary election
TwinCities.com-Pioneer Press - ‎2 hours ago‎




Washington Post
Giant T (for Trump) replaces one that was torched on lawn
Salon - ‎6 hours ago‎




Townhall
Trump Gives Major Economic Address: It Is Time To Remove The Anchor Dragging Us Down
Townhall - ‎Aug 8, 2016‎




ABC News
Split Decisions: George P. Bush Is Latest GOP Latino Tested By Trump
NBCNews.com - ‎14 hours ago‎




The Hill
Black, Latino journalists re-issue invitation to Trump
The Hill - ‎Aug 9, 2016‎




The Detroit News
AG files emergency motion over straight-ticket voting
The Detroit News - ‎4 hours ago‎




New York Times
Modest to Majestic: A Look at Hillary and Bill Clinton's Homes Over the Years
New York Times - ‎10 hours ago‎




CNN
GOP EPA chiefs endorse Clinton
Politico - ‎Aug 9, 2016‎




Politico
Clinton makes play for Mormon voters
Politico - ‎8 hours ago‎




The UpTake
Minnesota Primary Winner Is…The Electronic Poll Book
The UpTake - ‎21 hours ago‎




Politico
Pence apologizes to GOP lawmaker after alleged Trump camp seating snub
Politico - ‎4 hours ago‎




U.S. News & World Report
Voting-rights activists, anti-fraud crusaders clash over ID laws as election looms
Washington Times - ‎1 hour ago‎




Mediaite
Media Report on Attack on Trump Supporter, Omit That He Was Screaming Racial Slurs at the Time
Mediaite - ‎4 hours ago‎



god what an ugly shirt An innocent older gentleman was beaten with a crowbar for the sole crime of wearing a Donald Trump shirt last week.

 

[flacaltenn]

The country needs a mediation team to detoxify the political environment. To separate the rapidly descending childish fights. pranks, gaffs and hissy fits and put the rabid partisans in "time out". I would say 4 years with a leadership team that will FOCUS ALL Americans on the issues and not on the side show.

The intervention is not only for the partisans, it is also for the media, who seem to thrive on baiting, trolling, and polarizing the public with tantalizing scandals and gaffes. Each one more outrageous than the previous.

Where are we going? We're headed straight to partisan HELL if either of the Dem/Rep candidates win. That would be like hitting the accelerator, when we should be braking and slowing down the inevitable meltdown. This is actually a National Leadership crisis. America just does not know it yet.

We are facing a ClinTrump victory that would seal America's demise as a "great country" -- regardless of the rhetoric. Because EITHER candidate is MORTALLY flawed, completely arrogant, unpredictable, and LARGELY disliked and not trusted.

What kind of mediation team would defuse the situation? A team like Johnson/Weld. Get America desensitized to partisan cross-blaming. Refuse to use the words :" they hit me first". Step into the middle of fights with a calm 3rd voice that solves problems --- not throw fuel on the fire. Two experienced "moderate" Governors that are ASKING for your vote -- not EXPECTING it. A team that only wants to see AMERICA win.

Four years of that would restore some calm to the shit storm we wake up to everyday now. Expecting both candidates to WIN or eventually go down in flames. And at the end of those four years -- you are welcome to start the brawl all over again. AFTER the intervention shows the love and respect that is DUE to this cherished process.

The intervention was desperately needed twenty years ago. You're late to the game. The smart people are now prepped up @ their bolt holes.

Too late for any real political change, too soon to start shooting the bastards.

Guess you get a trip thru the metal detector. And a seat in the "secure" area..

 

[yiostheoy]

The country needs a mediation team to detoxify the political environment. To separate the rapidly descending childish fights. pranks, gaffs and hissy fits and put the rabid partisans in "time out". I would say 4 years with a leadership team that will FOCUS ALL Americans on the issues and not on the side show.

The intervention is not only for the partisans, it is also for the media, who seem to thrive on baiting, trolling, and polarizing the public with tantalizing scandals and gaffes. Each one more outrageous than the previous.

Where are we going? We're headed straight to partisan HELL if either of the Dem/Rep candidates win. That would be like hitting the accelerator, when we should be braking and slowing down the inevitable meltdown. This is actually a National Leadership crisis. America just does not know it yet.

We are facing a ClinTrump victory that would seal America's demise as a "great country" -- regardless of the rhetoric. Because EITHER candidate is MORTALLY flawed, completely arrogant, unpredictable, and LARGELY disliked and not trusted.

What kind of mediation team would defuse the situation? A team like Johnson/Weld. Get America desensitized to partisan cross-blaming. Refuse to use the words :" they hit me first". Step into the middle of fights with a calm 3rd voice that solves problems --- not throw fuel on the fire. Two experienced "moderate" Governors that are ASKING for your vote -- not EXPECTING it. A team that only wants to see AMERICA win.

Four years of that would restore some calm to the shit storm we wake up to everyday now. Expecting both candidates to WIN or eventually go down in flames. And at the end of those four years -- you are welcome to start the brawl all over again. AFTER the intervention shows the love and respect that is DUE to this cherished process.

Welcome to democracy -- actually to our form of it which is a democratic republic -- a hybrid of the Greeks and Romans.

Aristotle warned everybody about democracy -- he said it can become a tyranny of the masses over the rich.

 

[Votto]

Are you implying Trump could win?

Bwhahaha!

America only has one party now. Deal with it.

And no, there is no room for losertarians either. Become a Dim or get crushed.

No, Trump won't win. Disagreed on "one party". The fact the Republican party is imploding is their problem. The Democrats didn't do it, the Republicans did it to themselves. In the end, as history shows, parties come and go, but the differences between Left and Right remain. We'll also have the Nanny Staters/Federalists versus the Individualists/anti-Federalists regardless of party title.

How is it you can avoid the critical flaws and deviance of ONE candidate to go pound on the other?
There was just a complete coup in YOUR party leadership. Did the REPUBS do that? Or did "they do it to themselves"????

I could care less about the GOP, and God knows they could care less about me.

Any conservative in the GOP is treated like a freak of nature. There is no place for a conservative in the US federal government.

To be successful in the US federal government, you have to want to produce very large pots of money to play with, and wage war around the world.

Then a parliament it is. Because there is room for a Conservative, Socialist, Moderate and Libertarian party in America. The TWO in place have BOTH lost their way and their tents are full of holes and bodies. Those corporations need to be disassembled and reconstructed.

The corporation is the engine of government. Government depends on their money. After all, those in government don't produce anything nor do they know how.

Men like Hitler understood this. His theory was, why nationalize government when you can nationalize the people?

Really all that is needed is control over the corporations. Those in governments trying to run a business is like a lawyer trying to operate as a surgeon. It simply does not work.

Many don't know this, but the Boston Tea Party was not over raising taxes. In fact, the price of tea actually went down once the East Indies Corp. created a monopoly on tea. The colonists understood that the issue was control, not higher taxes.

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

Guess you get a trip thru the metal detector. And a seat in the "secure" area..

Or maybe I'll be at the charter desk, helping to coordinate the free helicopter rides.

 

[flacaltenn]

All governments have a life span.

Governments are like stars. They grow bigger, and bigger, and bigger, until one of two things happen. They explode or the collapse on themselves and create a black hole that sucks in everything around them.

Or, in the instance of Chile, a man who wasn't going to take any shit to assume power.

Murica doesn't need a revolution, it needs a Pinochet.

You assume a person could actually be allowed to assume power who has not already sold their soul to the powers that be.

That COULD still happen.. That's the entire REASON for this here intervention. You gotta elect "outsiders" who are focused on disrupting the govt/corporate collusion. We ALL agree (except anarchist Mr AnCap) that corporations need to get knock off the trough and made to feed wild again. And NEITHER party will tackle that VERY SIMPLE problem. Just demand that no govt subsidies or tax breaks go to specific market sectors or specific companies for ANY PRODUCT that is ALREADY on the market. Done.. No more corporate/Govt collusion. Ethical Capitalism starts to thrive again..

A LOT of this is SIMPLE. Like the Southern Border. EITHER party COULD fix it. They don't want to. The laws already exist. You can not HIRE undocumented workers. What could be simpler than to ENFORCE THAT and start a aggressive system of documenting the workers you DO WANT? Why don't this fix this TOMORROW?

No wall or "comprehensive immigration" required. The folks would deport themselves if you cut offf the the benefits and freebies.

 

[mamooth]

You mean the party that just got caught disenfranchising their voters, disrespecting their constiuentcies and had a soft coup d'etat?

When you parrot lunatic conspiracy theories like that, it's impossible to take you seriously. All you demonstrate is that libertarians need an intervention, where everone informs them they aren't in touch with reality.

So, nice try with the phony equivalence fallacy. To bad nobody is buying it. We've got one party, the Democrats, who are acting like grownups, and Republicans, Libertarians and Greens who aren't.

 

[Divine Wind]

I happen to think it's BETTER than watching cable news. I learn more in 10 minutes on USMB politics than I do watching HOURS of CNN, Fox or MSNBC. But for the sake of the Intervention --- here's the current Google top list of political news stories... What do you see? What do you NOT see?

View attachment 85102
NBCNews.com
Unforced Errors: Donald Trump Misses on Two Hillary Clinton Stories
NBCNews.com - ‎1 hour ago‎



View attachment 85103
Politico
'Walmart Moms' lament 2016 options
Politico - ‎12 hours ago‎



View attachment 85104
McClatchy Washington Bureau
How do Muslim parents explain this election to their children?
McClatchy Washington Bureau - ‎4 hours ago‎




Washington Post
Bernie Sanders buys a $575000 vacation home and the Internet cries hypocrisy
Washington Post - ‎9 hours ago‎




Huffington Post
Federal Judge Officially Weakens Texas' Voter ID Law Before The Election
Huffington Post - ‎7 hours ago‎




MassLive.com
Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani defends Donald Trump against GOP national security officials' criticism
MassLive.com - ‎Aug 9, 2016‎




TwinCities.com-Pioneer Press
Stassen-Berger: Takeaways from the Minnesota primary election
TwinCities.com-Pioneer Press - ‎2 hours ago‎




Washington Post
Giant T (for Trump) replaces one that was torched on lawn
Salon - ‎6 hours ago‎




Townhall
Trump Gives Major Economic Address: It Is Time To Remove The Anchor Dragging Us Down
Townhall - ‎Aug 8, 2016‎




ABC News
Split Decisions: George P. Bush Is Latest GOP Latino Tested By Trump
NBCNews.com - ‎14 hours ago‎




The Hill
Black, Latino journalists re-issue invitation to Trump
The Hill - ‎Aug 9, 2016‎




The Detroit News
AG files emergency motion over straight-ticket voting
The Detroit News - ‎4 hours ago‎




New York Times
Modest to Majestic: A Look at Hillary and Bill Clinton's Homes Over the Years
New York Times - ‎10 hours ago‎




CNN
GOP EPA chiefs endorse Clinton
Politico - ‎Aug 9, 2016‎




Politico
Clinton makes play for Mormon voters
Politico - ‎8 hours ago‎




The UpTake
Minnesota Primary Winner Is…The Electronic Poll Book
The UpTake - ‎21 hours ago‎




Politico
Pence apologizes to GOP lawmaker after alleged Trump camp seating snub
Politico - ‎4 hours ago‎




U.S. News & World Report
Voting-rights activists, anti-fraud crusaders clash over ID laws as election looms
Washington Times - ‎1 hour ago‎




Mediaite
Media Report on Attack on Trump Supporter, Omit That He Was Screaming Racial Slurs at the Time
Mediaite - ‎4 hours ago‎



god what an ugly shirt An innocent older gentleman was beaten with a crowbar for the sole crime of wearing a Donald Trump shirt last week.

I agree this is more fun than just watching the news, but that doesn't negate my point that members here are not a good cross-section of Americans.

As for the Google, search, I find the list interesting because it's so bland. Yes, it's obviously an election year. It has been for the last 18 months.

 

[Votto]

The country needs a mediation team to detoxify the political environment. To separate the rapidly descending childish fights. pranks, gaffs and hissy fits and put the rabid partisans in "time out". I would say 4 years with a leadership team that will FOCUS ALL Americans on the issues and not on the side show.

The intervention is not only for the partisans, it is also for the media, who seem to thrive on baiting, trolling, and polarizing the public with tantalizing scandals and gaffes. Each one more outrageous than the previous.

Where are we going? We're headed straight to partisan HELL if either of the Dem/Rep candidates win. That would be like hitting the accelerator, when we should be braking and slowing down the inevitable meltdown. This is actually a National Leadership crisis. America just does not know it yet.

We are facing a ClinTrump victory that would seal America's demise as a "great country" -- regardless of the rhetoric. Because EITHER candidate is MORTALLY flawed, completely arrogant, unpredictable, and LARGELY disliked and not trusted.

What kind of mediation team would defuse the situation? A team like Johnson/Weld. Get America desensitized to partisan cross-blaming. Refuse to use the words :" they hit me first". Step into the middle of fights with a calm 3rd voice that solves problems --- not throw fuel on the fire. Two experienced "moderate" Governors that are ASKING for your vote -- not EXPECTING it. A team that only wants to see AMERICA win.

Four years of that would restore some calm to the shit storm we wake up to everyday now. Expecting both candidates to WIN or eventually go down in flames. And at the end of those four years -- you are welcome to start the brawl all over again. AFTER the intervention shows the love and respect that is DUE to this cherished process.

Welcome to democracy -- actually to our form of it which is a democratic republic -- a hybrid of the Greeks and Romans.

Aristotle warned everybody about democracy -- he said it can become a tyranny of the masses over the rich.

The Founding Fathers speculated that the Republic would only last as long as society had any real moral fiber to it.

For you see, a moral society spends its money wisely and helps those who are in need.

Now that morality has vanished from society and been replaced by secular humanism, it is all a mad scramble over materialism and government redistribution, a never ending conflict.

 

[flacaltenn]

Guess you get a trip thru the metal detector. And a seat in the "secure" area..

Or maybe I'll be at the charter desk, helping to coordinate the free helicopter rides.

View attachment 85105

Could be funny but it's not. I'm sure Anarchos are good at something !

 

[Votto]

You mean the party that just got caught disenfranchising their voters, disrespecting their constiuentcies and had a soft coup d'etat?

When you parrot lunatic conspiracy theories like that, it's impossible to take you seriously. All you demonstrate is that libertarians need an intervention, where everone informs them they aren't in touch with reality.

So, nice try with the phony equivalence fallacy. To bad nobody is buying it. We've got one party, the Democrats, who are acting like grownups, and Republicans, Libertarians and Greens who aren't.

I'm trying to tell him that there is only one party now, but he just won't listen.

Geesh.

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

That COULD still happen.. That's the entire REASON for this here intervention. You gotta elect "outsiders" who are focused on disrupting the govt/corporate collusion. We ALL agree (except anarchist Mr AnCap) that corporations need to get knock off the trough and made to feed wild again. And NEITHER party will tackle that VERY SIMPLE problem. Just demand that no govt subsidies or tax breaks go to specific market sectors or specific companies for ANY PRODUCT that is ALREADY on the market. Done.. No more corporate/Govt collusion. Ethical Capitalism starts to thrive again...

Mr. Ancap recognizes that corporations don't exist with out government charter and limited liability protection.

Free yo mind, yo ass will follow.

 

[Votto]

That COULD still happen.. That's the entire REASON for this here intervention. You gotta elect "outsiders" who are focused on disrupting the govt/corporate collusion. We ALL agree (except anarchist Mr AnCap) that corporations need to get knock off the trough and made to feed wild again. And NEITHER party will tackle that VERY SIMPLE problem. Just demand that no govt subsidies or tax breaks go to specific market sectors or specific companies for ANY PRODUCT that is ALREADY on the market. Done.. No more corporate/Govt collusion. Ethical Capitalism starts to thrive again...

Mr. Ancap recognizes that corporations don't exist with out government charter and limited liability protection.

Free yo mind, yo ass will follow.

Exactly! Corporations are creations of government. They are their tool.

The Dims fight against corporations and the GOP fights against government, all the while both parties are laughing their arses off.

 

[flacaltenn]

I happen to think it's BETTER than watching cable news. I learn more in 10 minutes on USMB politics than I do watching HOURS of CNN, Fox or MSNBC. But for the sake of the Intervention --- here's the current Google top list of political news stories... What do you see? What do you NOT see?

View attachment 85102
NBCNews.com
Unforced Errors: Donald Trump Misses on Two Hillary Clinton Stories
NBCNews.com - ‎1 hour ago‎



View attachment 85103
Politico
'Walmart Moms' lament 2016 options
Politico - ‎12 hours ago‎



View attachment 85104
McClatchy Washington Bureau
How do Muslim parents explain this election to their children?
McClatchy Washington Bureau - ‎4 hours ago‎




Washington Post
Bernie Sanders buys a $575000 vacation home and the Internet cries hypocrisy
Washington Post - ‎9 hours ago‎




Huffington Post
Federal Judge Officially Weakens Texas' Voter ID Law Before The Election
Huffington Post - ‎7 hours ago‎




MassLive.com
Former NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani defends Donald Trump against GOP national security officials' criticism
MassLive.com - ‎Aug 9, 2016‎




TwinCities.com-Pioneer Press
Stassen-Berger: Takeaways from the Minnesota primary election
TwinCities.com-Pioneer Press - ‎2 hours ago‎




Washington Post
Giant T (for Trump) replaces one that was torched on lawn
Salon - ‎6 hours ago‎




Townhall
Trump Gives Major Economic Address: It Is Time To Remove The Anchor Dragging Us Down
Townhall - ‎Aug 8, 2016‎




ABC News
Split Decisions: George P. Bush Is Latest GOP Latino Tested By Trump
NBCNews.com - ‎14 hours ago‎




The Hill
Black, Latino journalists re-issue invitation to Trump
The Hill - ‎Aug 9, 2016‎




The Detroit News
AG files emergency motion over straight-ticket voting
The Detroit News - ‎4 hours ago‎




New York Times
Modest to Majestic: A Look at Hillary and Bill Clinton's Homes Over the Years
New York Times - ‎10 hours ago‎




CNN
GOP EPA chiefs endorse Clinton
Politico - ‎Aug 9, 2016‎




Politico
Clinton makes play for Mormon voters
Politico - ‎8 hours ago‎




The UpTake
Minnesota Primary Winner Is…The Electronic Poll Book
The UpTake - ‎21 hours ago‎




Politico
Pence apologizes to GOP lawmaker after alleged Trump camp seating snub
Politico - ‎4 hours ago‎




U.S. News & World Report
Voting-rights activists, anti-fraud crusaders clash over ID laws as election looms
Washington Times - ‎1 hour ago‎




Mediaite
Media Report on Attack on Trump Supporter, Omit That He Was Screaming Racial Slurs at the Time
Mediaite - ‎4 hours ago‎



god what an ugly shirt An innocent older gentleman was beaten with a crowbar for the sole crime of wearing a Donald Trump shirt last week.

I agree this is more fun than just watching the news, but that doesn't negate my point that members here are not a good cross-section of Americans.

As for the Google, search, I find the list interesting because it's so bland. Yes, it's obviously an election year. It has been for the last 18 months.

Are you saying that Twitter or FaceBook is also "not representative" of America? You just witness the hijack of a major party and nearly successful hijack of the other. Is CNN, Fox, MSNBC representative of America? As a whole -- not individually. Just like the NYTimes is no longer by itself -- representative of America...

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

Guess you get a trip thru the metal detector. And a seat in the "secure" area..

Or maybe I'll be at the charter desk, helping to coordinate the free helicopter rides.

View attachment 85105

Could be funny but it's not. I'm sure Anarchos are good at something !

Commies aren't funny. Murica has been trying to play nice with them for over a century. There comes a time to quit playing nice.

You going to wait until the gun is literally in your face?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Intervention? Who would provide it? The only intervention tyranny knows is economic or military collapse.

It will only get worse until one or the other occurs. Looking at the economic state of the world, my guess is an economic collapse.

Then again, perhaps an economic collapse is what they want. After all, that is how Hitler came to power. Then they could create a global economic system under one power.

The Oligarchs have their robots coming and some of them want to let economic collapse bring on a plague for the weakened starving masses and reduce the total global population to around 500 million.

This is not exactly a well kept secret.

 

[flacaltenn]

That COULD still happen.. That's the entire REASON for this here intervention. You gotta elect "outsiders" who are focused on disrupting the govt/corporate collusion. We ALL agree (except anarchist Mr AnCap) that corporations need to get knock off the trough and made to feed wild again. And NEITHER party will tackle that VERY SIMPLE problem. Just demand that no govt subsidies or tax breaks go to specific market sectors or specific companies for ANY PRODUCT that is ALREADY on the market. Done.. No more corporate/Govt collusion. Ethical Capitalism starts to thrive again...

Mr. Ancap recognizes that corporations don't exist with out government charter and limited liability protection.

Free yo mind, yo ass will follow.

Exactly! Corporations are creations of government. They are their tool.

The Dims fight against corporations and the GOP fights against government, all the while both parties are laughing their arses off.

FIX THIS !!! Gut the subsidies and tax credits for crap on the market. Send a fraction of that BACK for TRUE R&D.

 

[AnCap'n_Murica]

Hoppe is right. The time for physical removal is nigh.