America’s Founders Were Deeply Religious

I'd call it blatant Noobism if he thinks Stuporgirl has any cred on this board at all.
The intoxication of the echo chamber I guess.
your going by the name "Pogo" for chris sakes . Your kidding right
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And you have no clue who Pogo was, amirite?

Didn't I spank you on this very point yesterday? Or was that Nostril-dumbass?
Back for more you loser ? I can set the hook anytime and you bite . Did you talk to your boyfriend about that toilet bowl cleaning job I offered you ? And no , it doesn't come with a little row boat .

You seem to be pretty much an empty suit here, that about right?

C'mon, string yourself up again like you did in post 2. The audience demands it.
Nah , I'm the new one here so I'm just hanging out and seeing who has that blue ribbon as the biggest douchbag .

Oh I think you've already met her when you read the OP of this thread.
 
That refers to the Judeo-Christian faith. Compare this fact with the elites of the major political party today, and the schools they oversee, teaching quite the reverse.

The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” http://www.davidlimbaugh.com/mt/archives/2010/02/new_column_libe_4.html Believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known today, “an extremist Fundamentalist hate group.”



Last week Att’y Gen William Barr gave a speech about the importance of having a religious America. And, of course, he was attacked for it.


1.“United States Attorney General William Barr spoke at Notre Dame Law School [enemies of religion] raced to warn us of our impending doom. Also as per usual, in their screeds were seeds of the very things Barr described.

…RefuseFascism.org, which proclaimed in a headline, “At Notre Dame, William Barr Lays Out a Christian Fascist Nightmare.”

…writer Joan Walsh described Barr as "a paranoid right-wing Catholic ideologue who won't respect the separation of church and state." She mocked the Catholic men's service group Knights of Columbus (of which Barr has been a member) as "a patriarchal cosplay group." Walsh's distaste for Catholicism is matched only by her evident loathing of evangelicals. She writes: "(I)t's worth noting that Vice President Mike Pence, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney were all also raised Catholic -- but Pence and Pompeo went one better than Barr and joined the official GOP denomination, White Evangelical Protestantism ... I couldn't wish these guys better company to spend time with in hell.

“From the Founding Era onward, there was strong consensus about the centrality of religious liberty in the United States.

The imperative of protecting religious freedom was not just a nod in the direction of piety. It reflects the Framers’ belief that religion was indispensable to sustaining our free system of government.

In his renowned 1785 pamphlet, “Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments,” James Madison described religious liberty as “a right towards men” but “a duty towards the Creator,” and a “duty….precedent both in order of time and degree of obligation, to the claims of Civil Society.



How does religion promote the moral discipline and virtue needed to support free government?

First, it gives us the right rules to live by. The Founding generation were Christians. They believed that the Judeo-Christian moral system corresponds to the true nature of man. Those moral precepts start with the two great commandments – to Love God with your whole heart, soul, and mind; and to Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself.”
America’s great experiment with freedom needs religion
A Moral Citizenry Is Not a Theocracy



Faith is inseparable from liberty and freedom.

Rabid anti-religion bigots attacked Barr....hoping that all of America renounce the views of our Founders, that which made our nation the shining city on the hill.

If you agree with Barr about the relationship between religion and liberty, you cannot, of course, vote Democrat.

The Sons of Liberty was a secret organization that was created in the Thirteen American Colonies to advance the rights of the European colonists and to fight taxation by the British government. It played a major role in most colonies in battling the Stamp Act in 1765.[1] The group officially disbanded after the Stamp Act was repealed. However, the name was applied to other local separatist groups during the years preceding the American Revolution.[2]

Sons of Liberty

1st row: Samuel AdamsBenedict ArnoldJohn HancockPatrick HenryJames Otis, Jr.
2nd row: Paul RevereJames SwanAlexander McDougallBenjamin RushCharles Thomson

3rd row: Joseph WarrenMarinus WillettOliver WolcottChristopher GadsdenHaym Salomon


Not pictured: Hercules Mulligan, Thomas Melvill, Isaac Sears
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Sons of Liberty - Wikipedia
 
No. But I’m waiting for you to answer my questions.



I'll assume your are retracting this claim:


"There is zero reference to Jesus in the Constitution, dope."



You can run, but you can't hide, dunce.
Where?


The line concluding article seven.
Quote it please, with a link.




Here is the true quote.


done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
The Constitution of the United States: A Transcription


If you obtained your version from wikipedia, it is proof that Liberals corrupted and lie about the Constitution.

The same is the case for government school.


Clearly, the Constitution references Jesus




Or....

in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven


...give your alternate explanation for whom the reference describes.



Liberals never have the class, honesty, or character to admit when they're proven wrong.
Thank goodness, I never have to.
A date....big whoop! No mention of Jesus whatsoever.
 
Wow!!!!

Forcing the government school grads to admit (they must since the fact has been provided) to the Jesus reference in the Constitution, has sent them into a rage!!

I do so love watching the Left's blood boil until it vaporized into a fine, red, mist.







"Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth....

Did you catch it? Their work was done “in the Year of our Lord.” The Christian world dates all of human history in terms of the birth of Christ. “B.C.” means “before Christ,” and “A.D.” is the abbreviation for the Latin words “anno Domini,” meaning “year of our Lord.”

If the Framers were interested in being pluralistic, multi-cultural, and politically correct, they would have refrained from using the B.C./A.D. designation. Or they would have used the religionless designations “C.E.,” Common Era, and “B.C.E.,” Before the Common Era (see “Common Era,” 2008). In so doing, they would have avoided offending Jews, atheists, agnostics, and humanists. Or they could have used “A.H.” (anno hegirae—which means “in the year of the Hijrah” and refers to Muhammad’s flight from Mecca in A.D. 622), the date used by Muslims as the commencement date for the Islamic calendar.

Instead, the Framers chose to utilize the dating method that indicated the worldview they shared. What’s more, their reference to “our Lord” does not refer to a generic deity, nor does it refer even to God the Father. It refers to God the Son—an explicit reference to Jesus Christ. Make no mistake: the Constitution of the United States contains an explicit reference to Jesus Christ—not Allah, Buddha, Muhammad, nor the gods of Hindus or Native Americans!

Let’s get this straight: The Declaration of Independence contains four allusions to the God of the Bible. The U.S. Constitution contains allusions to the freedom to practice the Christian religion unimpeded, the significance and priority of Sunday worship, as well as the place of Jesus Christ in history.

So, according to the thinking of the ACLU and a host of liberal educators, politicians, and judges, the Constitution is—unconstitutional! Go figure."
Christianity is in the Constitution



Can I wish all a Merry Christmas???

How silly.

You need to employ pointless buzz phrases such as "allusions" in a frantic attempt to force Christianity into the Constitution.
"Force" is a good word when it comes to the so-called religion of people like the OP. They aren't happy unless they can "force" their religion on the rest of us....they are just the other side of the coin from fundie muslims trying to force their religion on people.
 
Quote it please, with a link.




Here is the true quote.


done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
The Constitution of the United States: A Transcription


If you obtained your version from wikipedia, it is proof that Liberals corrupted and lie about the Constitution.

The same is the case for government school.


Clearly, the Constitution references Jesus




Or....

in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven


...give your alternate explanation for whom the reference describes.



Liberals never have the class, honesty, or character to admit when they're proven wrong.
Thank goodness, I never have to.

‘Year of our lord’ was the standard way dating of a document. No one in the 1700s or the 2000s argues that we shouldn’t use the Gregorian calendar, or that it’s ‘fake news’.

Sorry for your latest fail, wingnut.



Answer the question, dope.


in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven


...give your alternate explanation for whom the reference describes.
It references a calendar that is based on Christianity. It was the only calendar we were using at the time. It’s a very nice calendar. The custom of the day in documents was to use the official ‘the year of our lord’.

Using your faulty thinking, if a Jew today tells you the date, they’re really espousing Christianity.

Stomping your feet won’t change the facts, dear.



Funny how you numbskulls pretend.....

In simply post the truth and force you Leftists to lie, pretend, ignore the facts, and refuse to admit the truth even when it is documented.....e.g., the line from the Constitution itself.



Now....those who do not accept Christianity have many ways to not the date without 'in the year of our Lord.'



"If the Framers were interested in being pluralistic, multi-cultural, and politically correct, they would have refrained from using the B.C./A.D. designation. Or they would have used the religionless designations “C.E.,” Common Era, and “B.C.E.,” Before the Common Era (see “Common Era,” 2008). In so doing, they would have avoided offending Jews, atheists, agnostics, and humanists. Or they could have used “A.H.” (anno hegirae—which means “in the year of the Hijrah” and refers to Muhammad’s flight from Mecca in A.D. 622), the date used by Muslims as the commencement date for the Islamic calendar.

Instead, the Framers chose to utilize the dating method that indicated the worldview they shared. What’s more, their reference to “our Lord” does not refer to a generic deity, nor does it refer even to God the Father. It refers to God the Son—an explicit reference to Jesus Christ. Make no mistake: the Constitution of the United States contains an explicit reference to Jesus Christ—not Allah, Buddha, Muhammad, nor the gods of Hindus or Native Americans!

Let’s get this straight: The Declaration of Independence contains four allusions to the God of the Bible. The U.S. Constitution contains allusions to the freedom to practice the Christian religion unimpeded, the significance and priority of Sunday worship, as well as the place of Jesus Christ in history.

So, according to the thinking of the ACLU and a host of liberal educators, politicians, and judges, the Constitution is—unconstitutional! Go figure."
Christianity is in the Constitution



No one forced the Founders to sign their names after in the year of our Lord.


Hurts????


Excellent.


Political chick whined:

“Make no mistake: the Constitution of the United States contains an explicit reference to Jesus Christ...”

Odd how no such explicit reference is to be found.

Such are the failings of religious extremists.
 
There is a precedent that Obama was honoring in eradicating every sign of religion that he demanded of Georgetown…..that of the USSR.


5. "....the Soviet regime looked for ways to force the churches to accept the existence of the new order and to acknowledge their political subordination to it. In 1922....the churches were ordered to hand over all of their sacred treasures, including the chalices and vestments used for the holy sacrament.

The stated then seized the objects by force in the course of the expropriation over 8,000 clergy were killed and there were more than 1,400 violent clashes.....

The regime staged fifty-five trials of recalcitrant clergy.....executed a number of prominent churchmen... "The Dictators: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia," by Richard Overyp. 272-273

Lenin was implacably opposed to all religious sentiment, as was Marx. 'Any religious idea,' he wrote to Maxim Gorky in 1913, ...is the most dangerous foulness, the most shameful "infection." p. 270.




6. The Sobor (council) of the Russian Orthodox Church announced in November 1917 that Bolshevism was 'descended of the anti-Christ,'...A letter published a few years later from a group of imprisoned bishops reiterated the Church's belief 'that the principles of Morality, of Justice and the Law are absolute and unchangeable, while those of communism were conditional and ephemeral.

"Church, Nation and State in Russia and Ukraine (Studies in Russia and East Europe)," by Geoffrey A. Hosking (Editor), p.217.






7. Since the 32nd President, there has been an unholy….see what I did there…..attempt by the Democrat Party to mirror the Soviet attitude toward religion.

Under Democrat/Liberal LBJ, the law was passed that deprived pastors of their right of free speech.
What possible compelling government interest could this represent????


The 1954 federal Johnson Amendment prohibits a pastor from talking about candidates from the pulpit in light of Scripture. Thus, based on what a pastor says about an election from the pulpit, the tax code allows the government to tax a church. Consider that in light of the Internal Revenue Service's increasingly vague regulations, and you have a recipe for the censorship of religion. The IRS, through those vague regulations, reserves for itself tremendous discretion and power to decide which churches to punish for violations of the Johnson Amendment and which not to punish.”
Why don't churches pay taxes?


Any reading of the first amendment will prove this to be unconstitutional.




8. " Donald Trump: As President, I’ll Reverse the Law That Prevents Churches from Endorsing Candidates
Trump said near the end of his speech that he would
rescind the IRS rule preventing churches from endorsing candidates.

So I am going to work like hell to get rid of that prohibition and we’re going to have the strongest Christian lobby and it’s going to happen. This took place during the presidency of Lyndon Johnson and it has had a terrible chilling effect."

Donald Trump: As President, I’ll Reverse the Law That Prevents Churches from Endorsing Candidates




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I'll assume your are retracting this claim:


"There is zero reference to Jesus in the Constitution, dope."



You can run, but you can't hide, dunce.
Where?


The line concluding article seven.
Quote it please, with a link.




Here is the true quote.


done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
The Constitution of the United States: A Transcription


If you obtained your version from wikipedia, it is proof that Liberals corrupted and lie about the Constitution.

The same is the case for government school.


Clearly, the Constitution references Jesus




Or....

in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven


...give your alternate explanation for whom the reference describes.



Liberals never have the class, honesty, or character to admit when they're proven wrong.
Thank goodness, I never have to.
A date....big whoop! No mention of Jesus whatsoever.




Here is the true quote.


done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
The Constitution of the United States: A Transcription


If you obtained your version from wikipedia, it is proof that Liberals corrupted and lie about the Constitution.

The same is the case for government school.


Clearly, the Constitution references Jesus




Or....

in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven


...give your alternate explanation for whom the reference describes.



Liberals never have the class, honesty, or character to admit when they're proven wrong.
Thank goodness, I never have to.
 
OK....maybe it's cruel, pummeling the heck out of the lying low-life Liberals who hate religion, and try, try,try to deny the religiosity of our Founders....

....but....gee....it is lots of fun.

I mean....look at the lying dunce who keeps denying that the reference at article seven, 'in the year of our Lord,' isn't a reference to Jesus Christ.


How simple was it to reveal what lying fools these neo-Marxists are???




Another poke?

In 1915 there was actually one state supreme court which said that the reference to "in the year of our Lord" in the U.S. Constitution was a reference to Jesus Christ!

Herold v Parish Board of School Directors, 136 L.R. 1034 at 1044 (1915).
Where is God in the Constitution?




Here comes the chorus of 'is not, isssssssss nooooottttttttttt!!!"
 


The line concluding article seven.
Quote it please, with a link.




Here is the true quote.


done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
The Constitution of the United States: A Transcription


If you obtained your version from wikipedia, it is proof that Liberals corrupted and lie about the Constitution.

The same is the case for government school.


Clearly, the Constitution references Jesus




Or....

in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven


...give your alternate explanation for whom the reference describes.



Liberals never have the class, honesty, or character to admit when they're proven wrong.
Thank goodness, I never have to.
A date....big whoop! No mention of Jesus whatsoever.




Here is the true quote.


done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
The Constitution of the United States: A Transcription


If you obtained your version from wikipedia, it is proof that Liberals corrupted and lie about the Constitution.

The same is the case for government school.


Clearly, the Constitution references Jesus




Or....

in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven


...give your alternate explanation for whom the reference describes.



Liberals never have the class, honesty, or character to admit when they're proven wrong.
Thank goodness, I never have to.

Religious zealots have a need to force their religion on others. The Founding Fathers crafted a constitution that was free of appeals to religion and religious figures. That's why there is no mention of Jesus, Zeus, Amun Ra or any of the hundreds of other gods in the Constitution.
 
OK....maybe it's cruel, pummeling the heck out of the lying low-life Liberals who hate religion, and try, try,try to deny the religiosity of our Founders....

....but....gee....it is lots of fun.

I mean....look at the lying dunce who keeps denying that the reference at article seven, 'in the year of our Lord,' isn't a reference to Jesus Christ.


How simple was it to reveal what lying fools these neo-Marxists are???




Another poke?

In 1915 there was actually one state supreme court which said that the reference to "in the year of our Lord" in the U.S. Constitution was a reference to Jesus Christ!

Herold v Parish Board of School Directors, 136 L.R. 1034 at 1044 (1915).
Where is God in the Constitution?




Here comes the chorus of 'is not, isssssssss nooooottttttttttt!!!"
Many of the Founding Fathers announced their lack of religious belief.

There is no reason why you need to re-write history and force your religious fundamentalist views on them.
 
OK....maybe it's cruel, pummeling the heck out of the lying low-life Liberals who hate religion, and try, try,try to deny the religiosity of our Founders....

....but....gee....it is lots of fun.

I mean....look at the lying dunce who keeps denying that the reference at article seven, 'in the year of our Lord,' isn't a reference to Jesus Christ.


How simple was it to reveal what lying fools these neo-Marxists are???




Another poke?

In 1915 there was actually one state supreme court which said that the reference to "in the year of our Lord" in the U.S. Constitution was a reference to Jesus Christ!

Herold v Parish Board of School Directors, 136 L.R. 1034 at 1044 (1915).
Where is God in the Constitution?




Here comes the chorus of 'is not, isssssssss nooooottttttttttt!!!"

Please identify in your cut and paste where any of the gods are referenced in the body of the Constitution.
 
It's pretty damned entertaining watching Political Chick chew you pathetic wimps up and spit you out over here . The ladys a master at grinding leftest idiots into gutter sludge . And you snowflakes keep coming back for more , it shows how easily owned they are .
LOL! She continually proves herself to be a liar.
 
OK....maybe it's cruel, pummeling the heck out of the lying low-life Liberals who hate religion, and try, try,try to deny the religiosity of our Founders....

....but....gee....it is lots of fun.

I mean....look at the lying dunce who keeps denying that the reference at article seven, 'in the year of our Lord,' isn't a reference to Jesus Christ.


How simple was it to reveal what lying fools these neo-Marxists are???




Another poke?

In 1915 there was actually one state supreme court which said that the reference to "in the year of our Lord" in the U.S. Constitution was a reference to Jesus Christ!

Herold v Parish Board of School Directors, 136 L.R. 1034 at 1044 (1915).
Where is God in the Constitution?




Here comes the chorus of 'is not, isssssssss nooooottttttttttt!!!"

Please identify in your cut and paste where any of the gods are referenced in the body of the Constitution.
She also claims that Jesus is in the constitution.
 
OK....maybe it's cruel, pummeling the heck out of the lying low-life Liberals who hate religion, and try, try,try to deny the religiosity of our Founders....

....but....gee....it is lots of fun.

I mean....look at the lying dunce who keeps denying that the reference at article seven, 'in the year of our Lord,' isn't a reference to Jesus Christ.


How simple was it to reveal what lying fools these neo-Marxists are???




Another poke?

In 1915 there was actually one state supreme court which said that the reference to "in the year of our Lord" in the U.S. Constitution was a reference to Jesus Christ!

Herold v Parish Board of School Directors, 136 L.R. 1034 at 1044 (1915).
Where is God in the Constitution?




Here comes the chorus of 'is not, isssssssss nooooottttttttttt!!!"

Please identify in your cut and paste where any of the gods are referenced in the body of the Constitution.
She also claims that Jesus is in the constitution.

Maybe she's a Nicholas Cage groupie looking for secret messages.
 
OK....maybe it's cruel, pummeling the heck out of the lying low-life Liberals who hate religion, and try, try,try to deny the religiosity of our Founders....

....but....gee....it is lots of fun.

I mean....look at the lying dunce who keeps denying that the reference at article seven, 'in the year of our Lord,' isn't a reference to Jesus Christ.


How simple was it to reveal what lying fools these neo-Marxists are???




Another poke?

In 1915 there was actually one state supreme court which said that the reference to "in the year of our Lord" in the U.S. Constitution was a reference to Jesus Christ!

Herold v Parish Board of School Directors, 136 L.R. 1034 at 1044 (1915).
Where is God in the Constitution?




Here comes the chorus of 'is not, isssssssss nooooottttttttttt!!!"

Please identify in your cut and paste where any of the gods are referenced in the body of the Constitution.
She also claims that Jesus is in the constitution.


Let's check....


Here is the true quote from article seven:


done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
The Constitution of the United States: A Transcription




Clearly, the Constitution references Jesus




Or....

in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven


...give your alternate explanation for whom the reference describes.
 
It's pretty damned entertaining watching Political Chick chew you pathetic wimps up and spit you out over here . The ladys a master at grinding leftest idiots into gutter sludge . And you snowflakes keep coming back for more , it shows how easily owned they are .
LOL! She continually proves herself to be a liar.



It appears you've neglected to produce any such lies?

Why is that?


Oh....because you are the only liar?
 
OK....maybe it's cruel, pummeling the heck out of the lying low-life Liberals who hate religion, and try, try,try to deny the religiosity of our Founders....

....but....gee....it is lots of fun.

I mean....look at the lying dunce who keeps denying that the reference at article seven, 'in the year of our Lord,' isn't a reference to Jesus Christ.


How simple was it to reveal what lying fools these neo-Marxists are???




Another poke?

In 1915 there was actually one state supreme court which said that the reference to "in the year of our Lord" in the U.S. Constitution was a reference to Jesus Christ!

Herold v Parish Board of School Directors, 136 L.R. 1034 at 1044 (1915).
Where is God in the Constitution?




Here comes the chorus of 'is not, isssssssss nooooottttttttttt!!!"

Please identify in your cut and paste where any of the gods are referenced in the body of the Constitution.
She also claims that Jesus is in the constitution.


Let's check....


Here is the true quote from article seven:


done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
The Constitution of the United States: A Transcription




Clearly, the Constitution references Jesus




Or....

in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven


...give your alternate explanation for whom the reference describes.

Could you please spam the thread by cutting and pasting the same tedious spam... oh, I don't know....another dozen times?

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, it actually is appropriate to point and laugh at the religious extremist.
 

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