An Obama accomplishment

[Brain357]

Did you read the OP? By now it's devolved into Ame®icano, me, and DU (Depleted Uranium) aka Brain357 arguing tariffs, not the way in which Obama screwed over every citizen in the US that needs to buy a car. DU is just that dense.

I read the OP but not all intervening 16 pages of back and forth.

Just want to provide a complete record of Obama's accomplishments.

Yes he took a country in recession, 2 wars, and a housing bubble and managed to turn the economy around.

 

[francoHFW]

One thing Obama did while president was set up the C.A.R.S (Car Allowance Rebate System) system. The idea was to take older, less efficient cars off the road and stimulate new auto production in the process.

Obama used $3 billion taxpayer dollars to fund C.A.R.S. AKA "Cash for clunkers" and called it
"stimulus"

However, C.A.R.S. is a dismal failure that wastes taxpayer money, drives up the prices of new and used cars, and slows new car production.

According to research by 2 University of Delaware professors it is a net loss of $2600 per vehicle.

"With per vehicle environmental benets
at $596 and the costs at $2,600 per ve-
hicle, the clunker program is a net drain on
society of roughly $2,000 per vehicle. Given
the approximately 700,000 vehicles in the
program, we estimate the total welfare loss to
be about $1.4 billion."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/46555587_Is_cars_a_clunker


Prices of new and used cars are now higher for everyone thanks to less availability of used cars on the market.


"the average used car price hit a record $16,800 last year, according to a report from Edmunds.com"


Average used car price hits record high in 2014


"The deep cuts in production capacity during the restructuring of recent years, coupled with the recent rebound in demand for new cars from consumers, means that shoppers can't find the deals they once did."


Car prices at record highs - and rising


If anyone wishes to compare any auto prices between pre-C.A.R.S. and post cars, you can do so here with any make, model, and year:


Car Prices, Sales History, and Mileage on a Graph


So in effect, C.A.R.S. is a program that cost everybody $2k per car, drives up the price of new and used cars, and is a net loss to everyone.

Thanks, Obama!

Our car companies are still in business. Thanks Obama.

At what cost? If they couldn't make it financially, they should have been allowed to fail.

Subsidizing them with taxpayer funds is making people invest in them knowing there will never be any returns. I bet there were kickbacks for those that voted to subsidize, though.

But you have no problem with the GOP wrecking the economy AGAIN, probably think it was the Dems somehow...

 

[francoHFW]

Did you read the OP? By now it's devolved into Ame®icano, me, and DU (Depleted Uranium) aka Brain357 arguing tariffs, not the way in which Obama screwed over every citizen in the US that needs to buy a car. DU is just that dense.

I read the OP but not all intervening 16 pages of back and forth.

Just want to provide a complete record of Obama's accomplishments.

It worked fine. Bah blah blah, dupes. Compared to GOP presidents, he was a god. lol

 

[francoHFW]

Our car companies are still in business. Thanks Obama.

U.S. exits GM stake, taxpayers lose $10.5 billion - NBC News

And the GOP meltdown only cost 1.5 trillion CASH, not to mention another 4 trillion + in UE and welfare for the victims. You people are totally clueless.

 

[Marion Morrison]

One thing Obama did while president was set up the C.A.R.S (Car Allowance Rebate System) system. The idea was to take older, less efficient cars off the road and stimulate new auto production in the process.

Obama used $3 billion taxpayer dollars to fund C.A.R.S. AKA "Cash for clunkers" and called it
"stimulus"

However, C.A.R.S. is a dismal failure that wastes taxpayer money, drives up the prices of new and used cars, and slows new car production.

According to research by 2 University of Delaware professors it is a net loss of $2600 per vehicle.

"With per vehicle environmental benets
at $596 and the costs at $2,600 per ve-
hicle, the clunker program is a net drain on
society of roughly $2,000 per vehicle. Given
the approximately 700,000 vehicles in the
program, we estimate the total welfare loss to
be about $1.4 billion."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/46555587_Is_cars_a_clunker


Prices of new and used cars are now higher for everyone thanks to less availability of used cars on the market.


"the average used car price hit a record $16,800 last year, according to a report from Edmunds.com"


Average used car price hits record high in 2014


"The deep cuts in production capacity during the restructuring of recent years, coupled with the recent rebound in demand for new cars from consumers, means that shoppers can't find the deals they once did."


Car prices at record highs - and rising


If anyone wishes to compare any auto prices between pre-C.A.R.S. and post cars, you can do so here with any make, model, and year:


Car Prices, Sales History, and Mileage on a Graph


So in effect, C.A.R.S. is a program that cost everybody $2k per car, drives up the price of new and used cars, and is a net loss to everyone.

Thanks, Obama!

Our car companies are still in business. Thanks Obama.

At what cost? If they couldn't make it financially, they should have been allowed to fail.

Subsidizing them with taxpayer funds is making people invest in them knowing there will never be any returns. I bet there were kickbacks for those that voted to subsidize, though.

But you have no problem with the GOP wrecking the economy AGAIN, probably think it was the Dems somehow...

Yeah that makes no sense.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Did you read the OP? By now it's devolved into Ame®icano, me, and DU (Depleted Uranium) aka Brain357 arguing tariffs, not the way in which Obama screwed over every citizen in the US that needs to buy a car. DU is just that dense.

I read the OP but not all intervening 16 pages of back and forth.

Just want to provide a complete record of Obama's accomplishments.

It worked fine. Bah blah blah, dupes. Compared to GOP presidents, he was a god. lol

Silly, unrealistic partisan hackery.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Our car companies are still in business. Thanks Obama.

U.S. exits GM stake, taxpayers lose $10.5 billion - NBC News

And the GOP meltdown only cost 1.5 trillion CASH, not to mention another 4 trillion + in UE and welfare for the victims. You people are totally clueless.

GOP meltdown? What is it you are referring to?

 

[Ame®icano]

I assume you're an idiot since you wont type in search box what I provided to you.

"Search for International Trade Administration, under OTEXA".

If you had facts you would have link.

I got the facts by searching "international trade administration" and "OTEXA".

You could try doing it yourself, by searching for "Mexican import tariffs", you'll be surprised how easy it is.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

 

[francoHFW]

One thing Obama did while president was set up the C.A.R.S (Car Allowance Rebate System) system. The idea was to take older, less efficient cars off the road and stimulate new auto production in the process.

Obama used $3 billion taxpayer dollars to fund C.A.R.S. AKA "Cash for clunkers" and called it
"stimulus"

However, C.A.R.S. is a dismal failure that wastes taxpayer money, drives up the prices of new and used cars, and slows new car production.

According to research by 2 University of Delaware professors it is a net loss of $2600 per vehicle.

"With per vehicle environmental benets
at $596 and the costs at $2,600 per ve-
hicle, the clunker program is a net drain on
society of roughly $2,000 per vehicle. Given
the approximately 700,000 vehicles in the
program, we estimate the total welfare loss to
be about $1.4 billion."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/46555587_Is_cars_a_clunker


Prices of new and used cars are now higher for everyone thanks to less availability of used cars on the market.


"the average used car price hit a record $16,800 last year, according to a report from Edmunds.com"


Average used car price hits record high in 2014


"The deep cuts in production capacity during the restructuring of recent years, coupled with the recent rebound in demand for new cars from consumers, means that shoppers can't find the deals they once did."


Car prices at record highs - and rising


If anyone wishes to compare any auto prices between pre-C.A.R.S. and post cars, you can do so here with any make, model, and year:


Car Prices, Sales History, and Mileage on a Graph


So in effect, C.A.R.S. is a program that cost everybody $2k per car, drives up the price of new and used cars, and is a net loss to everyone.

Thanks, Obama!

Our car companies are still in business. Thanks Obama.

At what cost? If they couldn't make it financially, they should have been allowed to fail.

Subsidizing them with taxpayer funds is making people invest in them knowing there will never be any returns. I bet there were kickbacks for those that voted to subsidize, though.

But you have no problem with the GOP wrecking the economy AGAIN, probably think it was the Dems somehow...

Yeah that makes no sense.

You didn't hear about the Booosh World Depression of 2008? Just as I said...

 

[francoHFW]

Our car companies are still in business. Thanks Obama.

U.S. exits GM stake, taxpayers lose $10.5 billion - NBC News

And the GOP meltdown only cost 1.5 trillion CASH, not to mention another 4 trillion + in UE and welfare for the victims. You people are totally clueless.

GOP meltdown? What is it you are referring to?

2008 world depression...

 

[francoHFW]

Did you read the OP? By now it's devolved into Ame®icano, me, and DU (Depleted Uranium) aka Brain357 arguing tariffs, not the way in which Obama screwed over every citizen in the US that needs to buy a car. DU is just that dense.

I read the OP but not all intervening 16 pages of back and forth.

Just want to provide a complete record of Obama's accomplishments.

It worked fine. Bah blah blah, dupes. Compared to GOP presidents, he was a god. lol

Silly, unrealistic partisan hackery.

Booosh was GREAT! 9/11 thru sheer incompetence, 2 stupidest wars EVER, AND a corrupt world depression...

 

[Marion Morrison]

I just read this article about liberal fascism, and it seemed like something that belongs on a political discussion board.

Sorry, But Our Fight Against Liberal Fascism Has Only Just Begun - Kurt Schlichter

The guy who wrote this article gets it! This is totally how I think about lefties. It felt like I wrote the article myself, only it was better. I would love to hear what some of you think of this article. Comments?

Our car companies are still in business. Thanks Obama.

U.S. exits GM stake, taxpayers lose $10.5 billion - NBC News

And the GOP meltdown only cost 1.5 trillion CASH, not to mention another 4 trillion + in UE and welfare for the victims. You people are totally clueless.

GOP meltdown? What is it you are referring to?

2008 world depression...

Oh! The housing bubble. That was a bipartisan affair, largely engineered by William Jefferson Clinton and continued right off the cliff by Bush. They're members of the same club. Bush is a senior member though, while Clinton is a junior member.

 

[EvMetro]

One thing Obama did while president was set up the C.A.R.S (Car Allowance Rebate System) system. The idea was to take older, less efficient cars off the road and stimulate new auto production in the process.

Obama used $3 billion taxpayer dollars to fund C.A.R.S. AKA "Cash for clunkers" and called it
"stimulus"

However, C.A.R.S. is a dismal failure that wastes taxpayer money, drives up the prices of new and used cars, and slows new car production.

According to research by 2 University of Delaware professors it is a net loss of $2600 per vehicle.

"With per vehicle environmental benefits
at $596 and the costs at $2,600 per ve-
hicle, the clunker program is a net drain on
society of roughly $2,000 per vehicle. Given
the approximately 700,000 vehicles in the
program, we estimate the total welfare loss to
be about $1.4 billion."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/46555587_Is_cars_a_clunker


Prices of new and used cars are now higher for everyone thanks to less availability of used cars on the market.


"the average used car price hit a record $16,800 last year, according to a report from Edmunds.com"


Average used car price hits record high in 2014


"The deep cuts in production capacity during the restructuring of recent years, coupled with the recent rebound in demand for new cars from consumers, means that shoppers can't find the deals they once did."


Car prices at record highs - and rising


If anyone wishes to compare any auto prices between pre-C.A.R.S. and post cars, you can do so here with any make, model, and year:


Car Prices, Sales History, and Mileage on a Graph


So in effect, C.A.R.S. is an Obama program that costs everybody $2k per car, drives up the price of new and used cars, and is a net loss to everyone.

Thanks, Obama!

Whoever makes lists of Obama's "accomplishments", be sure and include this boondoggle done within the 1st 6 months of his presidency.

Progressive policy failure right here.

A whole lot of automotive technicians lost jobs over that program. Something like 1 mechanic per 100 cars from what I understand. Was it 70,000 cars, or 700,000?

 

[Marion Morrison]

One thing Obama did while president was set up the C.A.R.S (Car Allowance Rebate System) system. The idea was to take older, less efficient cars off the road and stimulate new auto production in the process.

Obama used $3 billion taxpayer dollars to fund C.A.R.S. AKA "Cash for clunkers" and called it
"stimulus"

However, C.A.R.S. is a dismal failure that wastes taxpayer money, drives up the prices of new and used cars, and slows new car production.

According to research by 2 University of Delaware professors it is a net loss of $2600 per vehicle.

"With per vehicle environmental benefits
at $596 and the costs at $2,600 per ve-
hicle, the clunker program is a net drain on
society of roughly $2,000 per vehicle. Given
the approximately 700,000 vehicles in the
program, we estimate the total welfare loss to
be about $1.4 billion."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/46555587_Is_cars_a_clunker


Prices of new and used cars are now higher for everyone thanks to less availability of used cars on the market.


"the average used car price hit a record $16,800 last year, according to a report from Edmunds.com"


Average used car price hits record high in 2014


"The deep cuts in production capacity during the restructuring of recent years, coupled with the recent rebound in demand for new cars from consumers, means that shoppers can't find the deals they once did."


Car prices at record highs - and rising


If anyone wishes to compare any auto prices between pre-C.A.R.S. and post cars, you can do so here with any make, model, and year:


Car Prices, Sales History, and Mileage on a Graph


So in effect, C.A.R.S. is an Obama program that costs everybody $2k per car, drives up the price of new and used cars, and is a net loss to everyone.

Thanks, Obama!

Whoever makes lists of Obama's "accomplishments", be sure and include this boondoggle done within the 1st 6 months of his presidency.

Progressive policy failure right here.

A whole lot of automotive technicians lost jobs over that program. Something like 1 mechanic per 100 cars from what I understand. Was it 70,000 cars, or 700,000?

700,000 it was.

 

[francoHFW]

I just read this article about liberal fascism, and it seemed like something that belongs on a political discussion board.

Sorry, But Our Fight Against Liberal Fascism Has Only Just Begun - Kurt Schlichter

The guy who wrote this article gets it! This is totally how I think about lefties. It felt like I wrote the article myself, only it was better. I would love to hear what some of you think of this article. Comments?

Our car companies are still in business. Thanks Obama.

U.S. exits GM stake, taxpayers lose $10.5 billion - NBC News

And the GOP meltdown only cost 1.5 trillion CASH, not to mention another 4 trillion + in UE and welfare for the victims. You people are totally clueless.

GOP meltdown? What is it you are referring to?

2008 world depression...

Oh! The housing bubble. That was a bipartisan affair, largely engineered by William Jefferson Clinton and continued right off the cliff by Bush. They're members of the same club. Bush is a senior member though, while Clinton is a junior member.

That's a world depression. And blaming Bill at all is ridiculous. We have the best economy in the world thanks to Obama.

 

[Ame®icano]

I just read this article about liberal fascism, and it seemed like something that belongs on a political discussion board.

Sorry, But Our Fight Against Liberal Fascism Has Only Just Begun - Kurt Schlichter

The guy who wrote this article gets it! This is totally how I think about lefties. It felt like I wrote the article myself, only it was better. I would love to hear what some of you think of this article. Comments?

U.S. exits GM stake, taxpayers lose $10.5 billion - NBC News

And the GOP meltdown only cost 1.5 trillion CASH, not to mention another 4 trillion + in UE and welfare for the victims. You people are totally clueless.

GOP meltdown? What is it you are referring to?

2008 world depression...

Oh! The housing bubble. That was a bipartisan affair, largely engineered by William Jefferson Clinton and continued right off the cliff by Bush. They're members of the same club. Bush is a senior member though, while Clinton is a junior member.

That's a world depression. And blaming Bill at all is ridiculous. We have the best economy in the world thanks to Obama.

Implying we didn't have it before Barry.

Bill signed NAFTA, Bill repealed Glass Steagall Act. Yep, that's summarize it all.

 

[Marion Morrison]

I just read this article about liberal fascism, and it seemed like something that belongs on a political discussion board.

Sorry, But Our Fight Against Liberal Fascism Has Only Just Begun - Kurt Schlichter

The guy who wrote this article gets it! This is totally how I think about lefties. It felt like I wrote the article myself, only it was better. I would love to hear what some of you think of this article. Comments?

And the GOP meltdown only cost 1.5 trillion CASH, not to mention another 4 trillion + in UE and welfare for the victims. You people are totally clueless.

GOP meltdown? What is it you are referring to?

2008 world depression...

Oh! The housing bubble. That was a bipartisan affair, largely engineered by William Jefferson Clinton and continued right off the cliff by Bush. They're members of the same club. Bush is a senior member though, while Clinton is a junior member.

That's a world depression. And blaming Bill at all is ridiculous. We have the best economy in the world thanks to Obama.

Implying we didn't have it before Barry.

Bill signed NAFTA, Bill repealed Glass Steagall Act. Yep, that's summarize it all.

H.W. Drafted NAFTA, Billy signed it, W. let it roll until everything imploded.

3 presidencies all weakening the US. Bad bad bad.

 

[francoHFW]

I just read this article about liberal fascism, and it seemed like something that belongs on a political discussion board.

Sorry, But Our Fight Against Liberal Fascism Has Only Just Begun - Kurt Schlichter

The guy who wrote this article gets it! This is totally how I think about lefties. It felt like I wrote the article myself, only it was better. I would love to hear what some of you think of this article. Comments?

And the GOP meltdown only cost 1.5 trillion CASH, not to mention another 4 trillion + in UE and welfare for the victims. You people are totally clueless.

GOP meltdown? What is it you are referring to?

2008 world depression...

Oh! The housing bubble. That was a bipartisan affair, largely engineered by William Jefferson Clinton and continued right off the cliff by Bush. They're members of the same club. Bush is a senior member though, while Clinton is a junior member.

That's a world depression. And blaming Bill at all is ridiculous. We have the best economy in the world thanks to Obama.

Implying we didn't have it before Barry.

Bill signed NAFTA, Bill repealed Glass Steagall Act. Yep, that's summarize it all.

Both GOP Bills. But the point is nothing bad happened until Booosh's push for home ownership, Boooshie crony regulators allowed GOP crony private corps like Countrywide to take over the market, AIG rate toxic assets A+ insure and bundle and sell them around the world. The dupes think it was a humorous bubble if they recognize it at all, but it cost the world many trillions of dollars to bail out and poor countries are still in depressions, causing population dislocations etc etc etc like the thirties. A DISASTER. Great job, thanks GOP...Only total bs propaganda keeps the GOP going, dupes. "I know, ANOTHER giant tax cut for the rich"!!! Wake up, dupes AND Mr. Trump!

 

[Marion Morrison]

I just read this article about liberal fascism, and it seemed like something that belongs on a political discussion board.

Sorry, But Our Fight Against Liberal Fascism Has Only Just Begun - Kurt Schlichter

The guy who wrote this article gets it! This is totally how I think about lefties. It felt like I wrote the article myself, only it was better. I would love to hear what some of you think of this article. Comments?

GOP meltdown? What is it you are referring to?

2008 world depression...

Oh! The housing bubble. That was a bipartisan affair, largely engineered by William Jefferson Clinton and continued right off the cliff by Bush. They're members of the same club. Bush is a senior member though, while Clinton is a junior member.

That's a world depression. And blaming Bill at all is ridiculous. We have the best economy in the world thanks to Obama.

Implying we didn't have it before Barry.

Bill signed NAFTA, Bill repealed Glass Steagall Act. Yep, that's summarize it all.

Both GOP Bills. But the point is nothing bad happened until Booosh's push for home ownership, Boooshie crony regulators allowed GOP crony private corps like Countrywide to take over the market, AIG rate toxic assets A+ insure and bundle and sell them around the world. The dupes think it was a humorous bubble if they recognize it at all, but it cost the world many trillions of dollars to bail out and poor countries are still in depressions, causing population dislocations etc etc etc like the thirties. A DISASTER. Great job, thanks GOP...Only total bs propaganda keeps the GOP going, dupes. "I know, ANOTHER giant tax cut for the rich"!!! Wake up, dupes AND Mr. Trump!

And the trophy for biggest myopic partisan moron of the year goes to: francoHFW!

 

[francoHFW]

I just read this article about liberal fascism, and it seemed like something that belongs on a political discussion board.

Sorry, But Our Fight Against Liberal Fascism Has Only Just Begun - Kurt Schlichter

The guy who wrote this article gets it! This is totally how I think about lefties. It felt like I wrote the article myself, only it was better. I would love to hear what some of you think of this article. Comments?

2008 world depression...

Oh! The housing bubble. That was a bipartisan affair, largely engineered by William Jefferson Clinton and continued right off the cliff by Bush. They're members of the same club. Bush is a senior member though, while Clinton is a junior member.

That's a world depression. And blaming Bill at all is ridiculous. We have the best economy in the world thanks to Obama.

Implying we didn't have it before Barry.

Bill signed NAFTA, Bill repealed Glass Steagall Act. Yep, that's summarize it all.

Both GOP Bills. But the point is nothing bad happened until Booosh's push for home ownership, Boooshie crony regulators allowed GOP crony private corps like Countrywide to take over the market, AIG rate toxic assets A+ insure and bundle and sell them around the world. The dupes think it was a humorous bubble if they recognize it at all, but it cost the world many trillions of dollars to bail out and poor countries are still in depressions, causing population dislocations etc etc etc like the thirties. A DISASTER. Great job, thanks GOP...Only total bs propaganda keeps the GOP going, dupes. "I know, ANOTHER giant tax cut for the rich"!!! Wake up, dupes AND Mr. Trump!

And the trophy for biggest myopic partisan moron of the year goes to: francoHFW!

Sorry, all you pleasant idiot dupes have me beat by a mile. I had to remind you that something bad happened in 2008 lol. Oh the housing bubble. La de dah. WRECKED THE WHOLE WORLD. We have the best economy in the world. What does that say about Africa? Our middle class lost 40% of its wealth in 6 months etc etc...I'm not partisan at all. I just know the facts and history. GO TRUMP! Learn and grow and dump Bannon and Fox etc and take the dupes with you!