And now, the TRUTH: Archer's actual testimony--Hunter may have sold sizzle, but no steak.

[Batcat]

Trump will go down in history as the most infamous president in American history. He's our Hitler. We never had one of those until now.

Like General Lee the traitor. Some people (conservatives) will love him 200 years from now. Even though he was a Democrat.

You liberals have a great imagination. Trump is our Hitler? The comparison is another example of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Just How Similar Is Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler?

Both men represent their personal character as the antidote to all social and political problems.

www.newsweek.com

At the Emmy awards ceremony on Sunday night, Transparent creator Jill Soloway compared Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler. Many others have made the same comparison before her: the front page of the Philadelphia Daily News in December 2015; the Council on America-Islamic Relations; the Holocaust survivor Zeev Hod.

The focus of these comparisons has been on the way Trump drums up support by blaming and denigrating groups who do not fit the imagination of a masculine, Christian, hard-working, and essentially white American ideal-type: Mexicans, Muslims, gay and transgender people, and disabled people, to name a few of the most obvious targets.

More importantly, what Soloway calls the 'Othering' of minority groups is today also embraced by large swathes of apparently mainstream conservatives, as debates both before and after the Brexit referendum in the U.K. have made very clear. If we look beyond formal politics to social media, Trump's rhetoric looks anything but unique; in fact, it is in danger of becoming mainstream.

So why compare Trump with an individual who was responsible for the Holocaust, and many millions of war dead between 1939 and 1945? Much as we may dislike his politics, Trump is proposing to stop immigration, not to commit genocide; and while he is proposing a more aggressive military stance against ISIS and its backers, he is not, as far as one can tell, proposing World War III.…emphasis added.

*******************

It is just as foolish to say Joe Biden is Hitler.

Opinion: After Democrats compare Trump to Hitler, they want to censure Greene for doing the same with Biden | Chattanooga Times Free Press

We have made it clear frequently that U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who represents the folks just over the line in Georgia in Congress, is not the type of Republican we'd prefer to have representing us.

www.timesfreepress.com

 

[Billiejeens]

It was MAGA trash last hope to hurt Hunter, they failed miserably ...

Hunter is a nobody.
This is Joe Biden corruption, silly.

 

[Billiejeens]

The Big Guy who always get his ten percent referrd to on Hunter's abandoned laptop is his father Joe Biden. Once you accept that obvious fact and the fact that Huter's abandoned laptop was real you have look at Papa Biden in a new light.

Except for the sane people who already knew how corrupt he was

 

[Batcat]

Trump will go down in history as the most infamous president in American history. He's our Hitler. We never had one of those until now.

Like General Lee the traitor. Some people (conservatives) will love him 200 years from now. Even though he was a Democrat.

You would have to have lived in Virginia in the days preceding the Civil War to really understand why General Lee fought for the Confederacy. Those were different times to say the least.

I was born in the North but have lived in the South for more than half a century. It is quite possible that some of my ancestors fought for the North. Some may have died in that war. I am glad the North won. I also believe slavery was one of the big issues that led to the Civil War.

I can disagree with Lee’s decision but still have admiration for the man. He won a lot of Civil War battles but he did make the mistake of attacking the North who held the high ground at Gettysburg. Perhaps he never read Sun Tsu’s The Art Of War. If he would have bypassed Gettysburg and attacked Washington D.C. he might have won the Civil War. As far as I can find out Lee’s tactics are still taught at West Point. That may have changed as we now hate Southern generals because Black Lives Matter.

How many battles in the civil war did Robert E. Lee win? - Answers

Lee won; Chancellorsville, Cold Harbor, Fredicksburg, Spotsylvania, The Wilderness, Seven Days Battles, Second Manassas. He fought a much larger army under McClellan to a draw at Antietam, and lost at Gettysburg, Petersburg, and Appomattox.

www.answers.com

Excerpt: The Great Mistake of Fighting at Gettysburg

How The South Could Have Won the Civil War by Bevin Alexander provides a startling account of how a relatively small number of tactical and strategic mistakes cost the South the war-and changed the course of history.

www.bevinalexander.com

Many people like you call General Lee a traitor. Have you ever wondered why he wasn’t considered to be one after the Civil War?

The Tangled History of Confederate Generals at West Point and in the US Army: What’s in a Name? - Just Security

In an article on renaming Lee Barracks at West Point, Benjamin Haas, who like myself is a West Point graduate, argued that the United States Military Academy should remove Robert E. Lee’s name from a building that houses cadets. Whatever the ultimate answer is to that question, we should...

www.justsecurity.org

[/I]

 

[sealybobo]

You liberals have a great imagination. Trump is our Hitler? The comparison is another example of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Just How Similar Is Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler?

Both men represent their personal character as the antidote to all social and political problems.

www.newsweek.com

At the Emmy awards ceremony on Sunday night, Transparent creator Jill Soloway compared Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler. Many others have made the same comparison before her: the front page of the Philadelphia Daily News in December 2015; the Council on America-Islamic Relations; the Holocaust survivor Zeev Hod.

The focus of these comparisons has been on the way Trump drums up support by blaming and denigrating groups who do not fit the imagination of a masculine, Christian, hard-working, and essentially white American ideal-type: Mexicans, Muslims, gay and transgender people, and disabled people, to name a few of the most obvious targets.

More importantly, what Soloway calls the 'Othering' of minority groups is today also embraced by large swathes of apparently mainstream conservatives, as debates both before and after the Brexit referendum in the U.K. have made very clear. If we look beyond formal politics to social media, Trump's rhetoric looks anything but unique; in fact, it is in danger of becoming mainstream.

So why compare Trump with an individual who was responsible for the Holocaust, and many millions of war dead between 1939 and 1945? Much as we may dislike his politics, Trump is proposing to stop immigration, not to commit genocide; and while he is proposing a more aggressive military stance against ISIS and its backers, he is not, as far as one can tell, proposing World War III.…emphasis added.

*******************

It is just as foolish to say Joe Biden is Hitler.

Opinion: After Democrats compare Trump to Hitler, they want to censure Greene for doing the same with Biden | Chattanooga Times Free Press

We have made it clear frequently that U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who represents the folks just over the line in Georgia in Congress, is not the type of Republican we'd prefer to have representing us.

www.timesfreepress.com

Both are authoritarians. Both played the religious right for fools and those fools went along. Both of them started riots in an attempt to overthrow their governments. Both went after minorities, immigrants, gays and liberals.

And no matter what Hilter did, the Germans defended him.

History will judge. That's why most Republicans won't support Trump.

Bob Barr is a scumbag. But at some point he wasn't going to go down like everyone else around trump does. He wasn't going to go to jail or be sued for going along with Trump. Like so many others around Trump.

Here is a picture of Trump's original inner circle

 

[Batcat]

Both are authoritarians. Both played the religious right for fools and those fools went along. Both of them started riots in an attempt to overthrow their governments. Both went after minorities, immigrants, gays and liberals.

And no matter what Hilter did, the Germans defended him.

History will judge. That's why most Republicans won't support Trump.

Bob Barr is a scumbag. But at some point he wasn't going to go down like everyone else around trump does. He wasn't going to go to jail or be sued for going along with Trump. Like so many others around Trump.

Here is a picture of Trump's original inner circle

How many people did your Hitler Trump put in concentration camps as factory workers for the state? How many did he execute in gas chambers. How many nations did he invade and take over? Did he demand illegal immigrants wear some form of identification like a Jewish star?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Trump will go down in history as the most infamous president in American history. He's our Hitler. We never had one of those until now.

Like General Lee the traitor. Some people (conservatives) will love him 200 years from now. Even though he was a Democrat.

He send the FBI after his political enemies! He wanted a 1,000 year Reich!!

Back on ignore

 

[WEATHER53]

Nothing but delightful sizzling steak

 

[Rumpole]

If Joe received no money, then why did he illegally violate our promises to Gorbachev, and get the Ukraine to illegally violate their treaties with Russia?

Substantiate your claim, please.

Joe deliberately violated dozens of laws in order to risk WWIII and nuclear annihilation of the US.

Please elaborate and substantiate.

If that was not due to payoffs, then why did he do it?

Question will be answered when Hunter testifies.

It not only was criminal, but the stupidest thing I have ever seen.

That isn't saying much, apparently,

The US gained absolutely nothing by paying off the Ukraine with cash and weapons.

Statement lacks knowledge and depth of certain events.

And since Hunter has absolutely nothing at all to show for all the millions he was paid, then obviously those payments were illegal kickbacks.

Conclusions drawn without evidence.

As for Trump, he may well be a conman, but he clearly never did anything illegal,

The evidence against Trump is overwhelming.

and all the impeachments and indictments show that those who created them are criminals,

Completely false, The impeachment's acquittals were teh consequence of spineless Republicans in the senate all of whom feared Trump and his base, beding primaried, his mean tweets, etc.

not Trump.
And in fact, Trump was one of the better presidents, since he started no illegal wars that murdered innocents.

No, actually, Trump is the worst president in US History, as Trump is a thrice indicted, sex abuser, conman, fraudster, criminal who loves Putin, the 'poorly educated', not to mention that he despises democracy and has betrayed America, and by these facts, is the worst president in history.

As for the notion he is military humble, that's not quite right, either, his militarism is about on par with a number of other presidents, to wit:

1. Operation Inherent Resolve: Continuation of the fight against ISIS in Iraq and Syria.
2. MOAB Strike: In April 2017, the U.S. dropped the "Mother of All Bombs" (MOAB) on an ISIS tunnel complex in Afghanistan.
3. Strikes against Syrian government forces: In response to the Syrian government's alleged use of chemical weapons, Trump ordered missile strikes against Syrian targets in April 2017 and April 2018.
4. Yemen Raid: In January 2017, Trump authorized a raid against Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) that resulted in the death of a U.S. Navy SEAL and several civilians.
5. Increase in Troops in Afghanistan: In 2017, Trump approved the deployment of additional troops to Afghanistan, as part of a broader strategy to fight the Taliban and other insurgent groups.
6. Killing of Qasem Soleimani: In January 2020, Trump authorized the drone strike that killed Iranian General Qasem Soleimani, escalating tensions with Iran.
7. Operation Neptune's Spear: Though initiated under President Obama, the military engagement with various targets associated with terrorism, including Al Qaeda, continued under President Trump.
8. Support for Saudi-led Intervention in Yemen: Trump's administration continued to provide support for Saudi Arabia's military intervention in Yemen, a policy that attracted significant criticism due to the humanitarian crisis in Yemen.

He also wasted less money on the military than most US presidents.

Your comment is filled with allegations and opinions without specific substantiation or evidence.

Here's a summary of it's flaws:

Allegations against Joe Biden regarding Gorbachev and Ukraine: The claim that Joe Biden violated promises to Gorbachev and coerced Ukraine into breaking treaties with Russia is an oversimplification and a conflation of events. Gorbachev was the leader of the Soviet Union, and Biden's dealings with Ukraine happened long after Gorbachev's time in power. There's no publicly available evidence that connects Biden's actions with the agreements with Gorbachev or Ukraine's agreements with Russia. Proper evidence or context should be provided for such a claim.

Risking WWIII and nuclear annihilation: Hysterics is nothing new to the right, your claim is without specific context or evidence. While U.S. foreign policy can certainly be debated and critiqued, saying it risked WWIII and nuclear annihilation is hyperbolic.

Allegations of payoffs: The comment implies that Biden's actions were motivated by illegal payoffs without presenting any concrete evidence. Accusations of criminal behavior should be supported with proof. You have provided none.

Statements about Hunter Biden: The comment alleges that millions paid to Hunter Biden were illegal kickbacks but does not provide evidence or specific details. Hunter Biden's business dealings have been the subject of scrutiny and controversy, but this statement lacks nuance and supporting evidence. Note that Hunter Biden is a lawyer, and the 'product' of lawyer makes is not tangible or visible. We don't know what the transactions are involved, or how much, he actually recieved. We do know he was generous with his associates and relatives, sharing his proceeds with everyone, except Joe Biden. He will testify soon, and those questions will be answered.

Assertions about Donald Trump: The comment argues that Trump never did anything illegal and that he was one of the better presidents. It dismisses the impeachment proceedings and other legal matters without acknowledging the complexity and division of opinion surrounding these issues. Asserting that those who pursued legal action against Trump are criminals is a serious allegation that requires evidence. In fact, the evidence against Trump is abundant. You fail to realize that a man like Jack Smith, given the fact that an indictment of a Us President will put the prosecutor on the world stage and the national spotlight will be burning his gluteus maximus, and then some, you can rest assured that ever allegation in his indictment has more than one item of direct evidence, because no fool is going to indict a target that large without it.

Trump's Military Spending: The comment claims Trump wasted less money on the military, but this may not be supported by the facts. According to data, military spending increased during Trump's presidency. A more nuanced understanding of budget allocation and military strategy would be needed to make a fair assessment.

Generalizations and Lack of Nuance: Your comment overly simplifies complex political matters, lacking depth and nuance beyond a point of viability, which is the definition of 'simplistic', noting that the difference between simple and simplistic is that the former is a good thing, and the latter is not.. Understanding international relations and political dynamics requires careful analysis and consideration of multiple factors, all of which are items your comment lacks,

Overall, the comment makes sweeping allegations without providing concrete evidence or context.

 

[Rumpole]

it must have been his ghost because it was just an illusion of access, right Rumpole

You first have to prove that logical and innocent explanations are excluded. I can think of a good one: Hunter's drug ridden path caused his Father to want to scrutinize his associates, similar to how a father checks out his daughters date on prom night, before he allows her to go to the event.

 

[Rumpole]

Trump is sleazy and may well be a crook, but these indictments, as well as the impeachments, are totally bogus and vastly more criminal than anything Trump ever considered doing.

YOu know this, how? Given the illogic of your statement, it is clear you haven't thought it through. No prosecutor who embarks on the trial of the century is going to indict a former US President, thereby being subjected to the world spotlight burning down on his ass in spades, a failure of which could easily destroy his career, without hard, direct evidence that he is convinced he can persuade a jury of beyond a reasonable doubt. Your claim, therefore, it's logic defies credulity.

While Trump never actually considered "insurrection", clearly that is exactly what these bogus charges against Trump are.

Insurrection is not a charge given in the indictment.

They are attempts to first nullify the 2016 election, and then to prevent the 2024 election.
I have never seen anything as criminal as these bogus indictments.
They could easily cause, and deserve, and armed response.

Your reply is the precise sentiment which resulted in the crime of the century, the attack on the US Capitol. It is the one salient reason Trump is a menace to society, and must be incarcerated for the rest of his life. Don't worry, you'll get over it, in time, just as they did Spiro Agnew, but you are probably too young to remember.

 

[Rumpole]

in honesty I watched a big thing on jarreds business way back when obama first got into office that tallked about his company and what they did,, from that point on I didnt like the guy,, now due to your meltdown issue I cant find a thing,,
fact remains he was an investment guy for yrs before the whitehouse so it makes sense he went back to doing what he did before,,

but hunter had zero experience when joe flew him on airforce two while he was still in office to sign the exact same kind of deal jarred signed with one exception,, hunter was to buy american tech firms that specialized in military tech,,

so guess which one I have a problem with??

Hunter Biden did travel with his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, on Air Force Two to China in 2013. However, there is no evidence that Hunter Biden signed a deal specifically to buy American tech firms that specialized in military tech during this trip. According to NBC News, Hunter Biden was forming a Chinese private equity fund that was planning to raise big money, including from China. Hunter Biden has acknowledged meeting with Jonathan Li, a Chinese banker and his partner in the fund during the trip, although his spokesman says it was a social visit, The Chinese business license that brought the new fund into existence was issued by Shanghai authorities 10 days after the trip, with Hunter Biden a member of the board

As for claims that Hunter Biden’s firm bought a company that provides dual-use technologies for the Chinese military, such claims are not substantiated and there is no evidence of any wrongdoing on the part of Hunter or Joe Biden.

In short, Hunter Biden is a private citizen, and no proof his business deals involved Joe Biden in terms of a business partnership, no evidence that Joe received any payments from his son's deals, nor access to Joe Biden, favors given, etc., has ever been produced. These things are certainly worthy of scrutiny, but without proof, you won't get any prosecutor to indict.

Jared did, in fact, leverage his position as Senior WH advisor to score $2 billion from the House of Saud, for which he has earned a $25,000,000 annual blood money management fee, noting Jared has no experience in the management of equity funds, and was acquired for the ostensible purpose or being easy on the murderous Mohammed Bin Salman, but that's just a logical guess. Why that clear case of corruption doesn't bother you, and scant evidence against Joe Biden does, defies credulity.

Biden’s trip to China with son Hunter in 2013 comes under new scrutiny

Amid unproven Trump claims, the overseas trip is generating new attention over Hunter Biden's business dealings.

www.nbcnews.com

House Oversight investigating $2B Saudi investment in Jared Kushner's firm

Kushner formed an investment firm right after Trump left office, and six months later, the sovereign wealth fund of Saudi Arabia, controlled by the crown prince, invested $2 billion.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Rumpole]

LOL. All of your hopes rely on Joe not being crooked. Good fucking luck with that. Ill see you at the end of the investigations.

Sure, just as we saw you guys at the end of the four year long Benghazi investigations which found squat on Hillary Clinton. You guys simply do not know what constitutes evidence, the kind that proves someone is worthy of an indictment.

 

[Godboy]

Sure, just as we saw you guys at the end of the four year long Benghazi investigations which found squat on Hillary Clinton. You guys simply do not know what constitutes evidence, the kind that proves someone is worthy of an indictment.

I done listening to you fucking idiots who say "there isnt any evidence". Get that weak shit out of my face.

 

[Independent thinker]

We now have the transcripts of Archer's testimony, here.

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Devon-Archer-Transcript.pdf

Starting on page 102 of the Hearing involving Devon Archer's testimony: Lines staring
with the letter A, (for Answer) are Archer's testimony/answers to questions which are the heart of what this hearing is all about, whether or not any real access was 'sold', or whether or not foreign policy was affected by Hunter's presence on the board of Burisma, or whether or not Joe Biden benefited, financially, from Hunter Biden's presence on the Board, or whether or not Archer was aware of any wrongdoing by Joe Biden, etc.

On the issue of the 'Joe calling in on speakerphone" on page 41, Archer states:

I think you have to understand that there was no business conversation about a cap table or a fee or anything like that. It was, you know, just general niceties and, you know, conversation in general, you know, about the geography, about the weather, whatever it may be.

I'm sorry to report to you Republicans, but, although it is clear that Hunter leveraged his dad's 'Brand', he did it entirely independently of his father, and the calls from Joe did not prove Joe involved himself in his son's deals, it seems clear to me that this is Hunter just showing off to his associates who is father is, and the spectacle of having the Vice President of the United States 'call in'.

In short, Hunter sold sizzle, but no steak.

Is that illegal? he can allude to steak, i.e.,, the 'illusion of access' as it was referred to in another thread, but I don't think that is illegal. And if it is, I don't care because there is NOTHING on Joe here that proves any wrongdoing.

Hunter is a private citizen, and that's the end of it..

The worst you got on Hunter is a FARA violation. But FARA violations are not proof of corruption, it's a process crime.

Transcript, starting on page 102, noting that Biden's getting Ukraine to fire Shokin, that issue was dealt with, towards the end of this OP,

Q At the conclusion of that investigation, Senate minority staff issued a report summarizing the findings. And I'd like to read those for you.

"Every witness interviewed for this investigation testified that Vice President Biden did not alter United States foreign policy to benefit his son Hunter Biden, and that Hunter Biden's presence on the board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma had no effect on U.S. foreign policy. Every witness stated that Hunter Biden and his associates had no role in the formulation of U.S. policy, that Hunter Biden's role did not influence U.S. foreign policy decisions, and that Vice President Biden carried out U.S. foreign policy in the interest of the United States. The investigation's evidence, set forth in this Minority report, confirms there was no corruption, wrongdoing, or impropriety on the part of" the Vice President."

Having read that for you, I have a few questions for you based on your own knowledge and experience. So based on your own knowledge and experience -- your relationship with Hunter Biden, your time on Burisma's board, and the entirety of your knowledge and experience -- do you have any basis to disagree with the conclusion that, quote, "Vice President Biden did not alter U.S. foreign policy to benefit his son Hunter Biden"?

A I have no basis to know if he altered. I have no basis to know if he altered policy to benefit his son.

Q So you have no knowledge --

A I have no knowledge. Sorry.

Q -- of him --

A Yes, I have no knowledge.

Q -- altering U.S. policy to benefit his son.

A I have no knowledge.

Q You -- do you have any basis to disagree with the conclusion that "Hunter Biden's presence on the board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma had no effect on U.S. foreign policy"?

A Not directly. You mean like making laws? I don't -- I don't think so.

Mr. Goldman. Foreign policy.

Mr. Archer. No -- no -- no on foreign policy.

Q No basis to disagree with that conclusion.

A No.

Q Do you have any basis to disagree with the conclusion that "Hunter Biden's role did not influence U.S. foreign policy decisions"?

A I have -- yeah, I have no basis.

Q Do you have any basis to disagree with the conclusion that "Vice President Biden carried out U.S. foreign policy in the interest of the United States"?

A I have no basis to judge.

Q Or to disagree with that.

A Or disagree.

Q You have no knowledge -- nothing based on your knowledge or experience contradicts this conclusion.

A No.

Q Does anything in your knowledge or experience contradict the conclusion that "there was no corruption, wrongdoing, or impropriety on the part of Vice President Biden"?

A I have no basis to know.

Q The report also found, quote, "No --"

Mr. Goldman. I'm sorry. You have no basis to know or is that a no?

Mr. Archer. I have -- I have -- I would have no idea.

Mr. Goldman. No basis --

Mr. Schwartz. Are you aware of any wrongdoing by Vice President Biden?

Mr. Archer. No, I'm not aware of any.

Q So based on your knowledge and experience, you have no evidence that would contradict any of these conclusions I just read.

A No.

Q The report also found, quote, "No evidence that any action of the U.S. Government or any U.S. official was taken to benefit Burisma or Hunter Biden." Do you have any evidence or knowledge that contradicts this conclusion?

A No.

Q So based on everything you saw, heard, and observed, did you have any knowledge of Joe Biden having any involvement with Burisma?

A No -- not direct, no.

Q No involvement of Joe --

A No.

And on the issue of Biden getting Ukraine to fire Shokin:

Q And so this goes to this idea that Shokin, who was prosecutor general in 24 2015, was good for Burisma.

A Uh-huh.

Q Is that fair? Now, Vice President Biden was vocal about his concerns about corruption in the prosecutor general's office in Ukraine during this time period.

A Correct.

Q And called for the removal of Shokin from office. Is that correct?

A Yes. That was very well publicized.

Q Okay. And the Senate minority report, which I referenced earlier, described how Vice President's public calls for the Ukrainian Government to remove Shokin as prosecutor general was part of an anticorruption policy of the U.S. Government with broad bipartisan support, as well as support from allies and international institutions like the EU and the International Monetary Fund. Do you agree with that conclusion?

A Sorry. Can you repeat that?

Q Yeah. The Vice President's public calls for the removal of Shokin was part of this broad bipartisan, international anticorruption effort in Ukraine.

A Yes, I believe that was -- that was part of the conversation.

Q so do you have any basis to believe that Vice President Biden's call for
Shokin's removal was driven by anything other than the U.S. Government's anticorruption
policy in Ukraine?

A Yeah, I have no -- I have no other -- I have no proof or thought that he fired him for that reason.

Q You have no reason to believe otherwise?

A I have no reason to believe.


Sorry, there simply is no wrongdoing evidenced in this testimony regarding our president, Joe Biden. I look forward to Hunter's testimony. I'm confident it will be similar, and all you Republicans, for all the accusations, 'Biden Crime Family" Bribed Joe this, Bribed Joe that, all of you will have a tank load of EGG on your faces.

In truth, what is really going on here is a massive witch hunt in order to thwart attention away from Trump's indictments, and he will have a total of 4, no doubt, very soon. I can't help that your guy is a real criminal and ours is not, perhaps you should vote for a decent human being instead of a crook.

That's on you.

In other words, you are admitting Hunter is guilty of fraud to make himself super rich and that several in the Biden administration are guilty of trying to cover it up to protect both Bidens.

 

[progressive hunter]

Hunter Biden did travel with his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, on Air Force Two to China in 2013. However, there is no evidence that Hunter Biden signed a deal specifically to buy American tech firms that specialized in military tech during this trip. According to NBC News, Hunter Biden was forming a Chinese private equity fund that was planning to raise big money, including from China. Hunter Biden has acknowledged meeting with Jonathan Li, a Chinese banker and his partner in the fund during the trip, although his spokesman says it was a social visit, The Chinese business license that brought the new fund into existence was issued by Shanghai authorities 10 days after the trip, with Hunter Biden a member of the board

As for claims that Hunter Biden’s firm bought a company that provides dual-use technologies for the Chinese military, such claims are not substantiated and there is no evidence of any wrongdoing on the part of Hunter or Joe Biden.

In short, Hunter Biden is a private citizen, and no proof his business deals involved Joe Biden in terms of a business partnership, no evidence that Joe received any payments from his son's deals, nor access to Joe Biden, favors given, etc., has ever been produced. These things are certainly worthy of scrutiny, but without proof, you won't get any prosecutor to indict.

Jared did, in fact, leverage his position as Senior WH advisor to score $2 billion from the House of Saud, for which he has earned a $25,000,000 annual blood money management fee, noting Jared has no experience in the management of equity funds, and was acquired for the ostensible purpose or being easy on the murderous Mohammed Bin Salman, but that's just a logical guess. Why that clear case of corruption doesn't bother you, and scant evidence against Joe Biden does, defies credulity.

Biden’s trip to China with son Hunter in 2013 comes under new scrutiny

Amid unproven Trump claims, the overseas trip is generating new attention over Hunter Biden's business dealings.

www.nbcnews.com

House Oversight investigating $2B Saudi investment in Jared Kushner's firm

Kushner formed an investment firm right after Trump left office, and six months later, the sovereign wealth fund of Saudi Arabia, controlled by the crown prince, invested $2 billion.

www.nbcnews.com

lifes hard enough,, no reason for you to make it harder by going around ignorant and stupid,,

of course we know for a fact hunters business deal was to buy up american tech firms that specialized in military tech,,

proof of that has been posted many times by me alone,,

all you inbreeders do is attack the source and now you end up looking like ignorant morons,

 

[Rumpole]

lifes hard enough,, no reason for you to make it harder by going around ignorant and stupid,,

of course we know for a fact hunters business deal was to buy up american tech firms that specialized in military tech,,

proof of that has been posted many times by me alone,,

all you inbreeders do is attack the source and now you end up looking like ignorant morons,

Not one financial document has Joe Biden as beneficiary or signatory.

Not one LLC lists Joe Biden as an officer in a Shell.

Not one LLC has been proven to be established for a corrupt purpose as none of the 10 or so legitimate reasons have been excluded.

Not one taped phone call implicates joe in any wrong doing.

Not one testimony against Joe is backed by hard evidence.

No testimony given by Joe's staff against him.

No testimony by Joe's sons and daughters are made against him

Every email and text presented do not have Joe Biden as a participant in the conversation and third party mentions of Joe is hearsay and some have been established as fake.

The chain of custody of the laptop is not clear cut, and has the potential for corruption.

IN short, the House Republicans and those in the Senate have failed to produce sufficient predication for a criminal investigation.

In fact, all of the evidence thus far produced, only proves that Hunter Biden did business abroad, that that business is not against the law, plus the fact that he generously shared his profits with other family members, but notably except his father. There might be a FARA violation but that is not proof of wrongdoing beyond that fact.

SARs are not proof of wrongdoing, says so right on the Gov website.

FBI FD-1023 reports are not evidence, they need to be corroborated, and none have been, to date.

That Yelena Baturina was not sanctioned is not a damning fact at all, as alleged, given that some 50 Russian/Ukrainian billionaires haven't been sanctioned, either, and she is merely one of many.

What I've been finding is that for every issue put forth by Republicans, regarding the Bidens, there is an innocent explanation. Oh, some things might look bad, but looking bad is not illegal.

All of the 'evidence' thus far is suggestive in nature, and not conclusive.

What you need to do is produce conclusive evidence, which would be required in order for a prosecutor wanting to indict a US President.

 

[Rumpole]

In other words, you are admitting Hunter is guilty of fraud to make himself super rich and that several in the Biden administration are guilty of trying to cover it up to protect both Bidens.

No, you fail to produce evidence. In fact, you fail in each of the following respects:

Not one financial document has Joe Biden as beneficiary or signatory.

Not one LLC lists Joe Biden as an officer in a Shell.

Not one LLC has been proven to be established for a corrupt purpose as none of the 10 or so legitimate reasons have been excluded.

Not one taped phone call implicates joe in any wrong doing.

Not one testimony against Joe is backed by hard evidence.

No testimony given by Joe's staff against him.

No testimony by Joe's sons and daughters are made against him

Every email and text presented do not have Joe Biden as a participant in the conversation and third party mentions of Joe is hearsay and some have been established as fake.

The chain of custody of the laptop is not clear cut, and has the potential for corruption.

IN short, the House Republicans and those in the Senate have failed to produce sufficient predication for a criminal investigation.

In fact, all of the evidence thus far produced, only proves that Hunter Biden did business abroad, that that business is not against the law, plus the fact that he generously shared his profits with other family members, but notably except his father. There might be a FARA violation but that is not proof of wrongdoing beyond that fact.

SARs are not proof of wrongdoing, says so right on the Gov website.

FBI FD-1023 reports are not evidence, they need to be corroborated, and none have been, to date.

IRS agents are not, by definition, true whistleblowers, their testimony is merely a disagreement with the prosecutors prosecutorial decisions, in which such disagreements are common, and not only that, their testimony was impeached by Weiss.

That Yelena Baturina was not sanctioned is not a damning fact at all, as alleged, given that some 50 Russian/Ukrainian billionaires haven't been sanctioned, either, and she is merely one of many.

What I've been finding is that for every issue put forth by Republicans, regarding the Bidens, there is an innocent explanation. Oh, some things might look bad, but looking bad is not illegal.

All of the 'evidence' thus far is suggestive in nature, and not conclusive.

What you need to do is produce conclusive evidence, which would be required in order for a prosecutor wanting to indict a US President.

 

[sealybobo]

How many people did your Hitler Trump put in concentration camps as factory workers for the state? How many did he execute in gas chambers. How many nations did he invade and take over? Did he demand illegal immigrants wear some form of identification like a Jewish star?

You can always point out the ways they are not alike while ignoring all the ways the are alike.

Never said Trump is going to put jews in gas chambers. But he will use minorities and gays as political punching bags and his nazi followers will ratchet up the hate crimes against these minorities.

Is the goal to make good liberals not want to run for politics?

Or even good Republicans?

SPECIAL REPORT-Trump-inspired death threats are terrorizing election workers

Late on the night of April 24, the wife of Georgia’s top election official got a chilling text message: “You and your family will be killed very slowly.”

www.reuters.com

Nazi's.

 

[progressive hunter]

You can always point out the ways they are not alike while ignoring all the ways the are alike.

Never said Trump is going to put jews in gas chambers. But he will use minorities and gays as political punching bags and his nazi followers will ratchet up the hate crimes against these minorities.

Is the goal to make good liberals not want to run for politics?

Or even good Republicans?

SPECIAL REPORT-Trump-inspired death threats are terrorizing election workers

Late on the night of April 24, the wife of Georgia’s top election official got a chilling text message: “You and your family will be killed very slowly.”

www.reuters.com

Nazi's.

its been the dems using minorities as punching bags for 250 yrs,,

the repubes and trump just say minorities can take care of themselves