And now, the TRUTH: Archer's actual testimony--Hunter may have sold sizzle, but no steak.

[progressive hunter]

You can always point out the ways they are not alike while ignoring all the ways the are alike.

Never said Trump is going to put jews in gas chambers. But he will use minorities and gays as political punching bags and his nazi followers will ratchet up the hate crimes against these minorities.

Is the goal to make good liberals not want to run for politics?

Or even good Republicans?

SPECIAL REPORT-Trump-inspired death threats are terrorizing election workers

Late on the night of April 24, the wife of Georgia’s top election official got a chilling text message: “You and your family will be killed very slowly.”

www.reuters.com

Nazi's.

what was that biden said??
oh yeah,,

"poor people are just as smart as white people",,,

or was it that "people of color dont know how to use computers or get on the internet",,,

no I think it was " youe aint black if you dont vote democrat"

 

[sealybobo]

its been the dems using minorities as punching bags for 250 yrs,,

the repubes and trump just say minorities can take care of themselves

Yea. Ignoring your racist society holding them back/down. We know. You discriminate against them all while saying they can take care of themselves.

I was watching a show with Charles Barkley. He doesn't deny America is racist but he's a republican. I wish I knew how he justifies that. Why because he's rich?

I respect that. Rich blacks should vote Republcan. If they don't care about their black brothers and sisters. But I can respect Charles for voting based on his pocket book. Same with Kaitlyn Jenner. HE/She doesn't let social issues bother her/him either.

 

[progressive hunter]

Yea. Ignoring your racist society holding them back/down. We know. You discriminate against them all while saying they can take care of themselves.

I was watching a show with Charles Barkley. He doesn't deny America is racist but he's a republican. I wish I knew how he justifies that. Why because he's rich?

I respect that. Rich blacks should vote Republcan. If they don't care about their black brothers and sisters. But I can respect Charles for voting based on his pocket book. Same with Kaitlyn Jenner. HE/She doesn't let social issues bother her/him either.

holding them back is doing things like paying for them to live with welfare so they become sedentary or putting them in jobs they cant do to break down their confidence,,

but at least you didnt deny what dems have done to harm POC,,

yeah republicans are for rich people and dems are for the poor and thats why dems keep poor people poor,, if they helped them succeed there would be any poor people and no democrat voters,,

all we have to do is let you keep talking and you expose whats evil and racists about dems

 

[sealybobo]

holding them back is doing things like paying for them to live with welfare so they become sedentary or putting them in jobs they cant do to break down their confidence,,

but at least you didnt deny what dems have done to harm POC,,

yeah republicans are for rich people and dems are for the poor and thats why dems keep poor people poor,, if they helped them succeed there would be any poor people and no democrat voters,,

all we have to do is let you keep talking and you expose whats evil and racists about dems

I think you are making a really old argument that doesn't apply anymore because there is a time limit to how long you can be on welfare.

And I don't think this safety net is holding anyone back. It's for people who've hit rock bottom.

The 60-month time limit on federal assistance applies nationwide, but not all families on welfare are subject to the limit. The survey of states found that about 55 percent of all families currently on welfare are subject to the federal 60-month time limit. Of those not subject to the federal limit, most are child-only cases, which now account for about one-third of the national welfare caseload.

Welfare Time Limits: State Policies, Implementation, and Effects on Families

by: Dan Bloom, Mary Farrell, and Barbara Fink with Diana Adams-Ciardullo Submitted to:U.S. Department of Health and Human ServicesAdministration for Children & FamiliesOffice of Planning, Research and EvaluationProject Officer: Michael Dubinsky

aspe.hhs.gov

 

[Billiejeens]

Yea. Ignoring your racist society holding them back/down. We know. You discriminate against them all while saying they can take care of themselves.

I was watching a show with Charles Barkley. He doesn't deny America is racist but he's a republican. I wish I knew how he justifies that. Why because he's rich?

I respect that. Rich blacks should vote Republcan. If they don't care about their black brothers and sisters. But I can respect Charles for voting based on his pocket book. Same with Kaitlyn Jenner. HE/She doesn't let social issues bother her/him either.

Decent people of all races vote Republican in
Large number.
Indecent people, less large.

 

[progressive hunter]

I think you are making a really old argument that doesn't apply anymore because there is a time limit to how long you can be on welfare.

And I don't think this safety net is holding anyone back. It's for people who've hit rock bottom.

The 60-month time limit on federal assistance applies nationwide, but not all families on welfare are subject to the limit. The survey of states found that about 55 percent of all families currently on welfare are subject to the federal 60-month time limit. Of those not subject to the federal limit, most are child-only cases, which now account for about one-third of the national welfare caseload.

Welfare Time Limits: State Policies, Implementation, and Effects on Families

by: Dan Bloom, Mary Farrell, and Barbara Fink with Diana Adams-Ciardullo Submitted to:U.S. Department of Health and Human ServicesAdministration for Children & FamiliesOffice of Planning, Research and EvaluationProject Officer: Michael Dubinsky

aspe.hhs.gov

bless your heart,, youre trying so hard,,

fact remains dems are the party of the poor,, and that means they dont try and help people get rich or they would loose voters,,

 

[CowboyTed]

We now have the transcripts of Archer's testimony, here.

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Devon-Archer-Transcript.pdf

Starting on page 102 of the Hearing involving Devon Archer's testimony: Lines staring
with the letter A, (for Answer) are Archer's testimony/answers to questions which are the heart of what this hearing is all about, whether or not any real access was 'sold', or whether or not foreign policy was affected by Hunter's presence on the board of Burisma, or whether or not Joe Biden benefited, financially, from Hunter Biden's presence on the Board, or whether or not Archer was aware of any wrongdoing by Joe Biden, etc.

On the issue of the 'Joe calling in on speakerphone" on page 41, Archer states:

I think you have to understand that there was no business conversation about a cap table or a fee or anything like that. It was, you know, just general niceties and, you know, conversation in general, you know, about the geography, about the weather, whatever it may be.

I'm sorry to report to you Republicans, but, although it is clear that Hunter leveraged his dad's 'Brand', he did it entirely independently of his father, and the calls from Joe did not prove Joe involved himself in his son's deals, it seems clear to me that this is Hunter just showing off to his associates who is father is, and the spectacle of having the Vice President of the United States 'call in'.

In short, Hunter sold sizzle, but no steak.

Is that illegal? he can allude to steak, i.e.,, the 'illusion of access' as it was referred to in another thread, but I don't think that is illegal. And if it is, I don't care because there is NOTHING on Joe here that proves any wrongdoing.

Hunter is a private citizen, and that's the end of it..

The worst you got on Hunter is a FARA violation. But FARA violations are not proof of corruption, it's a process crime.

Transcript, starting on page 102, noting that Biden's getting Ukraine to fire Shokin, that issue was dealt with, towards the end of this OP,

Q At the conclusion of that investigation, Senate minority staff issued a report summarizing the findings. And I'd like to read those for you.

"Every witness interviewed for this investigation testified that Vice President Biden did not alter United States foreign policy to benefit his son Hunter Biden, and that Hunter Biden's presence on the board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma had no effect on U.S. foreign policy. Every witness stated that Hunter Biden and his associates had no role in the formulation of U.S. policy, that Hunter Biden's role did not influence U.S. foreign policy decisions, and that Vice President Biden carried out U.S. foreign policy in the interest of the United States. The investigation's evidence, set forth in this Minority report, confirms there was no corruption, wrongdoing, or impropriety on the part of" the Vice President."

Having read that for you, I have a few questions for you based on your own knowledge and experience. So based on your own knowledge and experience -- your relationship with Hunter Biden, your time on Burisma's board, and the entirety of your knowledge and experience -- do you have any basis to disagree with the conclusion that, quote, "Vice President Biden did not alter U.S. foreign policy to benefit his son Hunter Biden"?

A I have no basis to know if he altered. I have no basis to know if he altered policy to benefit his son.

Q So you have no knowledge --

A I have no knowledge. Sorry.

Q -- of him --

A Yes, I have no knowledge.

Q -- altering U.S. policy to benefit his son.

A I have no knowledge.

Q You -- do you have any basis to disagree with the conclusion that "Hunter Biden's presence on the board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma had no effect on U.S. foreign policy"?

A Not directly. You mean like making laws? I don't -- I don't think so.

Mr. Goldman. Foreign policy.

Mr. Archer. No -- no -- no on foreign policy.

Q No basis to disagree with that conclusion.

A No.

Q Do you have any basis to disagree with the conclusion that "Hunter Biden's role did not influence U.S. foreign policy decisions"?

A I have -- yeah, I have no basis.

Q Do you have any basis to disagree with the conclusion that "Vice President Biden carried out U.S. foreign policy in the interest of the United States"?

A I have no basis to judge.

Q Or to disagree with that.

A Or disagree.

Q You have no knowledge -- nothing based on your knowledge or experience contradicts this conclusion.

A No.

Q Does anything in your knowledge or experience contradict the conclusion that "there was no corruption, wrongdoing, or impropriety on the part of Vice President Biden"?

A I have no basis to know.

Q The report also found, quote, "No --"

Mr. Goldman. I'm sorry. You have no basis to know or is that a no?

Mr. Archer. I have -- I have -- I would have no idea.

Mr. Goldman. No basis --

Mr. Schwartz. Are you aware of any wrongdoing by Vice President Biden?

Mr. Archer. No, I'm not aware of any.

Q So based on your knowledge and experience, you have no evidence that would contradict any of these conclusions I just read.

A No.

Q The report also found, quote, "No evidence that any action of the U.S. Government or any U.S. official was taken to benefit Burisma or Hunter Biden." Do you have any evidence or knowledge that contradicts this conclusion?

A No.

Q So based on everything you saw, heard, and observed, did you have any knowledge of Joe Biden having any involvement with Burisma?

A No -- not direct, no.

Q No involvement of Joe --

A No.

And on the issue of Biden getting Ukraine to fire Shokin:

Q And so this goes to this idea that Shokin, who was prosecutor general in 24 2015, was good for Burisma.

A Uh-huh.

Q Is that fair? Now, Vice President Biden was vocal about his concerns about corruption in the prosecutor general's office in Ukraine during this time period.

A Correct.

Q And called for the removal of Shokin from office. Is that correct?

A Yes. That was very well publicized.

Q Okay. And the Senate minority report, which I referenced earlier, described how Vice President's public calls for the Ukrainian Government to remove Shokin as prosecutor general was part of an anticorruption policy of the U.S. Government with broad bipartisan support, as well as support from allies and international institutions like the EU and the International Monetary Fund. Do you agree with that conclusion?

A Sorry. Can you repeat that?

Q Yeah. The Vice President's public calls for the removal of Shokin was part of this broad bipartisan, international anticorruption effort in Ukraine.

A Yes, I believe that was -- that was part of the conversation.

Q so do you have any basis to believe that Vice President Biden's call for
Shokin's removal was driven by anything other than the U.S. Government's anticorruption
policy in Ukraine?

A Yeah, I have no -- I have no other -- I have no proof or thought that he fired him for that reason.

Q You have no reason to believe otherwise?

A I have no reason to believe.


Sorry, there simply is no wrongdoing evidenced in this testimony regarding our president, Joe Biden. I look forward to Hunter's testimony. I'm confident it will be similar, and all you Republicans, for all the accusations, 'Biden Crime Family" Bribed Joe this, Bribed Joe that, all of you will have a tank load of EGG on your faces.

In truth, what is really going on here is a massive witch hunt in order to thwart attention away from Trump's indictments, and he will have a total of 4, no doubt, very soon. I can't help that your guy is a real criminal and ours is not, perhaps you should vote for a decent human being instead of a crook.

That's on you.

I don't see what the problem... Hunter was there to increase trust of governance of the board.. Many people are on Boards to increase trust:

Just looking at the Facebook board members (this is the multi billion company) :

Nick Clegg President, Global Affairs​

Sir Nick Clegg is president, global affairs at Meta. He joined the company, then called Facebook, in 2018 after almost two decades in British and European public life. Prior to being elected to the UK Parliament in 2005, he worked in the European Commission and served for five years as a member of the European Parliament. He became leader of the Liberal Democrat party in 2007 and served as Deputy Prime Minister in the UK’s first coalition government since the war, from 2010 to 2015. He has written two best-selling books, Politics: Between the Extremes and How To Stop Brexit (And Make Britain Great Again).

He is a former UK MP with a second class honours (2:1) degree in social anthropology. He hadn't worked in business at any senior level before...

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0149206304272187?journalCode=joma

 

[sealybobo]

bless your heart,, youre trying so hard,,

fact remains dems are the party of the poor,, and that means they dont try and help people get rich or they would loose voters,,

That's so dumb.

But it also makes sense. Democrats supported unions. Unions created the richest middle class the world had never seen before. Those union workers got rich and forgot what made them rich. And today they vote for Trump. Even before Trump, way too many of them got pensions and great healthcare benefits and then got cocky and arrogant and voted for Bush. Then Bush sent their jobs overseas in the 2000's

 

[progressive hunter]

That's so dumb.

But it also makes sense. Democrats supported unions. Unions created the richest middle class the world had never seen before. Those union workers got rich and forgot what made them rich. And today they vote for Trump. Even before Trump, way too many of them got pensions and great healthcare benefits and then got cocky and arrogant and voted for Bush. Then Bush sent their jobs overseas in the 2000's

you mean the unions that ran jobs overseas and cost america its manufacturing infrastructure??

sorry buttercup but you dems are the anti-american party of war mongers, baby killers and child molesters,,

 

[struth]

what was that biden said??
oh yeah,,

"poor people are just as smart as white people",,,

or was it that "people of color dont know how to use computers or get on the internet",,,

no I think it was " youe aint black if you dont vote democrat"

Xiden is a racist scum bag, he was mentored by racist scum bags, and bagged about it,...he even gave the eulogy to a KKK Grand Dragon...dembots don't care

 

[Rawley]

If he doesn’t keep his mouth shut, the DC judge is going to end that streak.

What is she going to do? Serious question.

 

[struth]

I think you are making a really old argument that doesn't apply anymore because there is a time limit to how long you can be on welfare.

And I don't think this safety net is holding anyone back. It's for people who've hit rock bottom.

The 60-month time limit on federal assistance applies nationwide, but not all families on welfare are subject to the limit. The survey of states found that about 55 percent of all families currently on welfare are subject to the federal 60-month time limit. Of those not subject to the federal limit, most are child-only cases, which now account for about one-third of the national welfare caseload.

Welfare Time Limits: State Policies, Implementation, and Effects on Families

by: Dan Bloom, Mary Farrell, and Barbara Fink with Diana Adams-Ciardullo Submitted to:U.S. Department of Health and Human ServicesAdministration for Children & FamiliesOffice of Planning, Research and EvaluationProject Officer: Michael Dubinsky

aspe.hhs.gov

There is no 60 month time limit to SSI....your link totally ignores that.

 

[Rawley]

The Trump trials and the Biden question are separate cases.

They've convinced you of that, haven't they?

 

[sealybobo]

you mean the unions that ran jobs overseas and cost america its manufacturing infrastructure??

sorry buttercup but you dems are the anti-american party of war mongers, baby killers and child molesters,,

You can say it that way. Why don't you say it this way. You mean the high paying American jobs that Republicans sent jobs overseas because rich people and corporations wanted to improve on profits?

Hey you dumb sonofabitch. Google 1999 Ford Record Profits and profit sharing. Google the same for 1998, 1997, 1996, etc. How many years in the 90's did Ford have record profits and gave out record profit sharing to employees?

What changed? Bush got into office. And corporations fled. Hell, he gave them tax breaks to help pay for the move. What a dope he was huh?

And you. What a fool you are to repeat such bullshit. You have drank the coolaid boy.

 

[konradv]

They've convinced you of that, haven't they?

No, you haven’t convinced me they are, unless you’re admitting the Hunter hype is all a distraction.

 

[progressive hunter]

You can say it that way. Why don't you say it this way. You mean the high paying American jobs that Republicans sent jobs overseas because rich people and corporations wanted to improve on profits?

Hey you dumb sonofabitch. Google 1999 Ford Record Profits and profit sharing. Google the same for 1998, 1997, 1996, etc. How many years in the 90's did Ford have record profits and gave out record profit sharing to employees?

What changed? Bush got into office. And corporations fled. Hell, he gave them tax breaks to help pay for the move. What a dope he was huh?

And you. What a fool you are to repeat such bullshit. You have drank the coolaid boy.

its only bullshit cause it proves youre wrong and a liar,, and anti american,,

 

[konradv]

What is she going to do? Serious question.

Give him house arrest or detention before trial.

 

[Rawley]

No, you haven’t convinced me they are, unless you’re admitting the Hunter hype is all a distraction.

Answer honestly, do you believe any of these indictments would have come down if Trump wasn't running against Biden.

 

[Billiejeens]

Xiden is a racist scum bag, he was mentored by racist scum bags, and bagged about it,...he even gave the eulogy to a KKK Grand Dragon...dembots don't care

Grand Cyclops

 

[konradv]

Answer honestly, do you believe any of these indictments would have come down if Trump wasn't running against Biden.

Sure they would. They were in the works before he declared, which he probably did early in an attempt to head off the indictments. His argument only helps him in the court of public opinion, but legally it doesn’t make a difference.