And So, With Charleston, The Cries To Ban Guns Resume ...

[2aguy]

What we've got here is failure to communicate. The Left has failed to change the Constitution by arbitrary means, but it doesn't seem to compute.

The 2nd Amendment stands. The guns are out there. You will never get them back. Any attempt to ban citizen gun ownership would be met with guffaws, and be ignored.

I mean, who would turn them in?

Your premise is wrong.

There is no effort to ban guns.

Common sense strongly suggests some form of gun control is necessary. What form that takes cannot be debated because fools believe gun control is a slippery slope to total banishment.

Lucky for the NRA and the Gun/Ammunition/NRA Complex that so many fools continue to parrot the BIG LIE, that is, "THEY want to take away your guns".

Moron, we have all kinds of gun control...sadly for you anti gun extremists the bad guys ignore you and your dumb laws...since they are aimed at peaceful, law abiding people and not criminals......

And history has shown......anti gun extremists never quit until they get a ban...and forced turn ins........ask the British, the French and Australia.....as well as Germany....and various locations that have tried to ban types of weapons and ammo......

We know who you anti gun extremists are and what you want...and we will fight you each step of the way....

Everyone of your posts are restatements of cliches. Of course there are gun controls, and yet still too many innocents are slaughtered by guns. You and others like you are examples of those who have decided no solutions exist, unless all guns are confiscated.

I don't believe that to be true. Reasonable people can discuss ideas as to how we can mitigate gun violence, and potentially reduce the number of guns in the hands of the unstable.

I wonder about those on this message board who fear any form of gun control, do they wonder or know that they are unstable? If so are their objection based solely on this question they ask themselves, "how would new laws impact me?"

LOL dude

Summary Ledger Gun Violence Archive

There were 52,000 gun related incidents in 2014 in this country.

Think about that for a moment.
330 MILLION people had 52 THOUSAND gun related incidents in an entire year.

That means the average American had a .00016 percent chance of being involved in a gun related incident.

That's roughly one in every 64 THOUSAND people.

And that's just shootings, not deaths.

Not to diminish those numbers, but your suggestion that a Constitutionally protected right should be removed for such low numbers is preposterous.

According to the CDC 10% of deaths of people aged 20-64 can be attributed to excessive alcohol consumption

Alcohol Deaths Features CDC


ONE IN TEN.

Where s your threads clamoring to outlaw alcohol?

I like it when they try to respond to this....

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

guns, drowning and poisoning....

If you cared about people....you would push to ban the following...


http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208


Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


2012...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr63/nvsr63_09.pdf

Then by year accidental gun deaths going down according to CDC final statistics table 10 from 2010-2013...

2010...606
2011...591
2012...548
2013...505

 

[2aguy]

Your premise is wrong.

There is no effort to ban guns.

Public school victim? I did not say there was an effort. I said the cries had resumed.

Common sense strongly suggests some form of gun control is necessary.

What sort of control do you believe would have prevented the Charleston shooting?

For starters, how about criminal control? How about those convicted of a single unprovoked violent act against another human are not seen again? It would not apply to this case, but would sure clean up the house.

What form that takes cannot be debated because fools believe gun control is a slippery slope to total banishment.

Of course. No one trusts you. Get over it.

Lucky for the Gun/Ammunition/NRA Complex that so many fools continue to parrot the BIG LIE, that is, "THEY want to take away your guns".

Hunting and sport shooting are not mentioned in the Constitution.

Q. What sort of control do you believe would have prevented the Charleston shooting?

A. A complex question or loaded question is an informal fallacy. A serious answer is very little if any form of gun control can be said to prevent an act already completed.

Q. For starters, how about criminal control.

A. Many mass murders and many murders in general are committed by persons with no criminal record.

However, persons with a propensity for violence (arrests for battery, sexual battery, domestic violence, child or animal abuse) or a history of substance abuse (two or more DUI's; arrests for possession of dangerous drugs or treatment for drug overdose) and persons determined to be a dangerous to themselves or others ought to forfeit their Second Amendment Rights and be denied the ability to own, possess or have in their custody and control a gun.

Any person who provided a gun to any person who has been found unfit to own, possess, etc. a gun should also forfeit their right to own, etc a gun.

The only way to enforce this form of Criminal Control is to license every person who want to own, possess, etc. a gun.

Yeah...Canada tried to license 5 million guns....had to stop because it cost a fortune in money, time and manpower...we have over 90 million homes with guns and over 11.1 million people now carry guns for self defense....and any attempt to register gun owners is the first step to bans and forced turn ins...history shows this........

 

[2aguy]

What we've got here is failure to communicate. The Left has failed to change the Constitution by arbitrary means, but it doesn't seem to compute.
The 2nd Amendment stands. The guns are out there. You will never get them back. Any attempt to ban citizen gun ownership would be met with guffaws, and be ignored.
I mean, who would turn them in?

Most people don't say "ban" guns. normal people just want them away from crazies and criminals.

Chuckle
It is illegal for "crazies" and criminals to have guns.
How do you propose those guns are "taken away"?

not if you don't have national background checks, Shirley. and 2nd amendment NRA nutbars don't want ANY regulation.

Okay.....moron......France has extreme gun control...they don't have National Background Checks because they don't allow their citizens to own guns.......and 3 terrorists, 2 on actual government terrorist watch lists, and one a convicted criminal easily got fully automatic rifles, hand grenades, pistols and a rocket propelled grenade...and crossed an international border to do it...twice......how did their gun control work.....

In fact....criminals in Europe get guns easily when they want or need them and Europe is awash in guns from the various conflicts in Europe and Africa......Sweden, Belgium, Denmark.....easy to get fully automatic weapons....

 

[2aguy]

What we've got here is failure to communicate. The Left has failed to change the Constitution by arbitrary means, but it doesn't seem to compute.
The 2nd Amendment stands. The guns are out there. You will never get them back. Any attempt to ban citizen gun ownership would be met with guffaws, and be ignored.
I mean, who would turn them in?

Most people don't say "ban" guns. normal people just want them away from crazies and criminals.

Chuckle
It is illegal for "crazies" and criminals to have guns.
How do you propose those guns are "taken away"?

Look at Mexico for an example. A pit of violence and crime.

And extreme gun control....seems to work there right?

 

[there4eyeM]

Just wondering why someone who obviously does not know how another country functions would display that ignorance.

 

[rightwinger]

Our President has had to come on TV 14 times to comment on the latest attrocity from gun violence.

Time after time we get the same plattitudes to our latest grieving community knowing we will do nothing about it

12 people massacred in a movie theater? Oh the horror
Gabby Giffords shot in the street? Too bad
20 first graders assasinated? What a shame
Nine feople massacred while praying? Sad, just sad

As a country...we love our guns more than we love our children
We will do nothing...we never do

There are over 320 million people in the country....gun murders in 2013......8,454.....that's all...more people die in cars, and from falls......and from alcohol......and poisons.....

When will we ban cars and force everyone to take public transportation...you know the trains that derail and ram the stations...and buses that crash.........

If it saves one child though.......

Those who die in cars die from.......accidents
Those who die from guns, die.........on purpose

 

[rightwinger]

What we've got here is failure to communicate. The Left has failed to change the Constitution by arbitrary means, but it doesn't seem to compute.
The 2nd Amendment stands. The guns are out there. You will never get them back. Any attempt to ban citizen gun ownership would be met with guffaws, and be ignored.
I mean, who would turn them in?

Most people don't say "ban" guns. normal people just want them away from crazies and criminals.

Chuckle
It is illegal for "crazies" and criminals to have guns.
How do you propose those guns are "taken away"?

not if you don't have national background checks, Shirley. and 2nd amendment NRA nutbars don't want ANY regulation.

Okay.....moron......France has extreme gun control...they don't have National Background Checks because they don't allow their citizens to own guns.......and 3 terrorists, 2 on actual government terrorist watch lists, and one a convicted criminal easily got fully automatic rifles, hand grenades, pistols and a rocket propelled grenade...and crossed an international border to do it...twice......how did their gun control work.....

In fact....criminals in Europe get guns easily when they want or need them and Europe is awash in guns from the various conflicts in Europe and Africa......Sweden, Belgium, Denmark.....easy to get fully automatic weapons....

France has one fifth our homicide rate

I would take that

 

[there4eyeM]

...except for the guns that 'go off'.

 

[2aguy]

Our President has had to come on TV 14 times to comment on the latest attrocity from gun violence.

Time after time we get the same plattitudes to our latest grieving community knowing we will do nothing about it

12 people massacred in a movie theater? Oh the horror
Gabby Giffords shot in the street? Too bad
20 first graders assasinated? What a shame
Nine feople massacred while praying? Sad, just sad

As a country...we love our guns more than we love our children
We will do nothing...we never do

There are over 320 million people in the country....gun murders in 2013......8,454.....that's all...more people die in cars, and from falls......and from alcohol......and poisons.....

When will we ban cars and force everyone to take public transportation...you know the trains that derail and ram the stations...and buses that crash.........

If it saves one child though.......

Those who die in cars die from.......accidents
Those who die from guns, die.........on purpose

No...comparing accidents to accidents...gun accidents in 2013...505 deaths....car accidents....deaths....35,369....

Comparing accidents to actual accidents......which number is bigger....even you should be able to tell....

 

[there4eyeM]

[/QUOTE] France has one fifth our homicide rate
I would take that[/QUOTE]

French citizens can buy and own firearms. The level of arms regulation is normal, if one considers average for countries' policies as normal. Handgun ownership is tight, but hunting rifles and shotguns are not exceptional. America is exceptional.

 

[2aguy]

What we've got here is failure to communicate. The Left has failed to change the Constitution by arbitrary means, but it doesn't seem to compute.
The 2nd Amendment stands. The guns are out there. You will never get them back. Any attempt to ban citizen gun ownership would be met with guffaws, and be ignored.
I mean, who would turn them in?

Most people don't say "ban" guns. normal people just want them away from crazies and criminals.

Chuckle
It is illegal for "crazies" and criminals to have guns.
How do you propose those guns are "taken away"?

not if you don't have national background checks, Shirley. and 2nd amendment NRA nutbars don't want ANY regulation.

Okay.....moron......France has extreme gun control...they don't have National Background Checks because they don't allow their citizens to own guns.......and 3 terrorists, 2 on actual government terrorist watch lists, and one a convicted criminal easily got fully automatic rifles, hand grenades, pistols and a rocket propelled grenade...and crossed an international border to do it...twice......how did their gun control work.....

In fact....criminals in Europe get guns easily when they want or need them and Europe is awash in guns from the various conflicts in Europe and Africa......Sweden, Belgium, Denmark.....easy to get fully automatic weapons....

France has one fifth our homicide rate

I would take that

Guns have nothing to do with that...they have a national pacifism....which allowed them to send their citizens to the death camps.....you know...12 million Europeans given up by these lovable governments....add that total into the death total and they surpass the U.S. in the murder rate.....

The worst crime in Paris...pick pockets.........can't say the same here.....and try the port city of Marseilles....they want to send in troops to deal with the gun violence from gangs......

 

[there4eyeM]

Whew...history transformed into perverted distortion.

 

[2aguy]

Yes...as in the U.S. violence in France depends on where you live....

Ministers mobilise as Marseille violence spirals - The Local

Marseille has been plagued in recent years by a wave of shootings, often with Kalashnikov assault rifles, connected with the drug trade.

The violence has reached such levels that a local official last year called for the military to be sent in and the government formed a task force to tackle the crime wave.

 

[Obiwan]

The government doesn't prosecute criminals caught with guns where they are put away a long time, why would they prosecute mentally ill people caught with guns.....

And that's the real issue. They need to address the actual, credible threats (and I don't mean an imaginary threat like seeking medical attention for insomnia or anything that doesn't constitute a threat for violence).

Will people still slip through the cracks? Unfortunately, yes, but that's where people's right to be armed where they can defend themselves comes into play.

 

[Wry Catcher]

By current law, as interpreted by Scalia and the four others who supported him

The authors and Founding Fathers support him as well, clearly and unmistakeably.

Prove otherwise. No one else on your side of the coin has been able to, because short of a lie, it is an impossibility.

Be The One.

Your too funny (as in odd and ill informed). The Bill of Rights was debated, some supported it, some felt it was unnecessary and some felt it would restrict rather than guarantee rights.

 

[2aguy]

By current law, as interpreted by Scalia and the four others who supported him

The authors and Founding Fathers support him as well, clearly and unmistakeably.

Prove otherwise. No one else on your side of the coin has been able to, because short of a lie, it is an impossibility.

Be The One.

Your too funny (as in odd and ill informed). The Bill of Rights was debated, some supported it, some felt it was unnecessary and some felt it would restrict rather than guarantee rights.

And those who felt it was unnecessary are proven wrong everyday.........and those who felt it would restrict rights...also wrong.....it is the only thing keeping you anti free speech, anti gun extremists at bay.......

 

[2aguy]

France has a gang problem too....

Mayor of crime-ridden Marseille slams Paris - The Local


“This is a war between the rule of law and barbarism…In that kind of context, elected officials don’t have the right to become divided. They must be united and responsible,” said Valls.

On Saturday, the charred corpse of a man who had been shot was found in a burned out car in the north of Marseilles, bringing the number of gangland murders to six in the last fortnight.

On March 13th, two 21-year-old men with criminal records were shot dead in broad daylight, in front of on-looking children in the city’s Bleuets estate.

Those murders followed the execution-style killing on March 9th, of a man who had just come out of the city's Baumettes prison, and the slaying of another ex-prisoner, who was shot in the face last month.

A burnt, bullet-riddled body discovered in woodland, inland from Marseille, has also recently been identified as being that of a known drug dealer from the city's troubled northern quarter.

The latest spate of incidents has followed a relative lull in the wave of violence that last year left at least 24 people dead and triggered calls by some politicians for the army to be sent in.

 

[PredFan]

Seriously?

How stupid are you people?

Who gets to decide who is crazy and who isn't?

How many people who have mental troubles have had guns for decades and never hurt anyone?

Thank God the NRA is stronger than you nut jobs are.

I will volunteer to make the decision

Most of these crazies who are doing the massacres will be easy to pick out. Unfortunately, some of those who post on this board would not pass muster

Thank you. Exactly my point.

 

[PredFan]

Our President has had to come on TV 14 times to comment on the latest attrocity from gun violence.

Time after time we get the same plattitudes to our latest grieving community knowing we will do nothing about it

12 people massacred in a movie theater? Oh the horror
Gabby Giffords shot in the street? Too bad
20 first graders assasinated? What a shame
Nine feople massacred while praying? Sad, just sad

As a country...we love our guns more than we love our children
We will do nothing...we never do

There are over 320 million people in the country....gun murders in 2013......8,454.....that's all...more people die in cars, and from falls......and from alcohol......and poisons.....

When will we ban cars and force everyone to take public transportation...you know the trains that derail and ram the stations...and buses that crash.........

If it saves one child though.......

Those who die in cars die from.......accidents
Those who die from guns, die.........on purpose

That's just plain stupid. With all the threads on the likely hood of accidental shootings on this board, you are stupid enough to say that?

 

[PredFan]

France has a gang problem too....

Mayor of crime-ridden Marseille slams Paris - The Local


“This is a war between the rule of law and barbarism…In that kind of context, elected officials don’t have the right to become divided. They must be united and responsible,” said Valls.

On Saturday, the charred corpse of a man who had been shot was found in a burned out car in the north of Marseilles, bringing the number of gangland murders to six in the last fortnight.

On March 13th, two 21-year-old men with criminal records were shot dead in broad daylight, in front of on-looking children in the city’s Bleuets estate.

Those murders followed the execution-style killing on March 9th, of a man who had just come out of the city's Baumettes prison, and the slaying of another ex-prisoner, who was shot in the face last month.

A burnt, bullet-riddled body discovered in woodland, inland from Marseille, has also recently been identified as being that of a known drug dealer from the city's troubled northern quarter.

The latest spate of incidents has followed a relative lull in the wave of violence that last year left at least 24 people dead and triggered calls by some politicians for the army to be sent in.

Progressives don't know anything. They are lied to by their leaders and they are stupid enough to believe it. They assume that we are also that stupid. You HAVE to be stupid to be a progressive.