koshergrl
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"Proponents of the first school of thought define an embryo simply as follows:
The developing human during its early stages of development. The embryonic period extends to the end of the eighth week (56 days), by which time the beginnings of all major structures are present. (Moore and Persaud, 2003);
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Fucking idiots.
" This broad definition of human embryo (ie the human entity developing from fertilisation until the fetal stage).."
"The overall objective of this paper is to describe a human embryo from a biological standpoint..."
Please, morons...find a scientific paper that tells us that embryos aren't HUMAN.
(My bold)
All v. interesting. What do the courts say about the legal rights of the fetus? Because that's where this is/has been/will be settled. If all the doctors & biologists & so on are agreed on when human life begins, they need to get to the courts & testfy to the fact.
But bear in mind that the courts tend to take their own counsel first & foremost - they may not be much impressed by outside expertise. & if you take the same hectoring tone with them as you do here, you'll likely be cited for contempt of court.
If you need allies to make your case to the courts, I think you're going about it the wrong way. But please yourself - I'm not convinced of the justice of your cause.
We aren't talking about the legal definition of human, though I daresay it's the same as the scientific one. I have yet to hear any courts challenging the scientific definition of "Human" but if you have, feel free to provide it.
This particular discussion is about the choicers' insistence that "science" dictates that babies aren't HUMAN from conception.
I admit, this is a particularly less intelligent group than the ones who I usually debate this issue with...DC. Coyote and tpoke are fairly clueless and appear not to even realize what a poor showing they are making, even compared to the poor showing we are usually subjected to by the allegedly *enlightened* choicers. But..that is the discussion. The courts do not dictate science, and right now, we're discussing what is *human* from a *scientific* perspective only.