Antifa Communism Rejected in Spain

[Lucy Hamilton]

"Gen. Francisco Franco, received arms from Hitler's Germany and Mussolini's Italy. The Republicans, with domestic and foreign support from Socialists, Communists and various liberal sympathizers, received aid from the Soviet Union."
Encyclopaedia Britannica, Micropaedia, Volume 11, pp 66
Fifteenth Edition © 1985 Encyclopaedia Britannica ISBN 0-85229-423-9


It is my mistake about republicanism in the Spanish Civil War. My mind stuck on Communism what was based on the above reference such as who supported Republicans.

One of the last things that Manuel Azaña did was get his Finance Minister Juan López to ship ALL of Spain's Gold Reserve directly to the Soviet Union in payment for all of the military aid in arms that the Soviet Union had given to the Republic.

The Soviet Union gave full support to the Republicans when the Civil War began and until it ended.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

So you're claiming that all of the republicans fighting Franco were trying to install a Communist dictatorship?

Do you have anything to back up that asinine claim?

As I said before, I have family members who fought with the International Brigades. I assure you, they weren't fighting to install a dictator - any more than my other family members who fought Hitler were.

No Doc, You are either spinning it or we are not on the same page on this. I understood when you said "they" you meant the republicans weren't fighting for dictatorship. Maybe you referred to the hodgepodge brigades fighting on the communist side?

You're right, we're not on the same page. In fact, I don't even think we're in the same book.

I'm in a history book, you're reading a post on 4chan.

There was no "communist" side in the Spanish Civil War. The Communists were on the side of the Republicans - the people who wanted a representative democracy.

The Spanish Civil War wasn't Communists vs. Fascists, it was Republican Democracy vs. Fascism.

You know I always wanted to know where in the heck that 4chan is since I hear so much about it. I am serious Doc. There would be no need to lie on a faceless message board about it.

What is Republican Democracy Doc? I have never heard about that form of government before. Is it along the lines to change the vocabulary nowadays? When we talk about the U.S., leftists always say "our democracy" I never hear them saying "our republic." It is low brainwashing, isn't it?

In the context the terms are used in the US, "republic" and "democracy" are synonyms. I used the term "Republican democracy" to differtiate it from "direct democracy".

The Spanish Civil War was a military coup against a popularly elected government - a system of government not dissimilar to our own.

4chan is a message board, famously the home of the "alt-right".

Democracy and Republicanism are not interchangeable in spite of leftist usage as such.

Whenever I have said to an American that America is a Democracy they have said no America isn't a Democracy it's a Republic. This to me is confusing, but that's what they say.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

So you're claiming that all of the republicans fighting Franco were trying to install a Communist dictatorship?

Do you have anything to back up that asinine claim?

As I said before, I have family members who fought with the International Brigades. I assure you, they weren't fighting to install a dictator - any more than my other family members who fought Hitler were.

No Doc, You are either spinning it or we are not on the same page on this. I understood when you said "they" you meant the republicans weren't fighting for dictatorship. Maybe you referred to the hodgepodge brigades fighting on the communist side?

You're right, we're not on the same page. In fact, I don't even think we're in the same book.

I'm in a history book, you're reading a post on 4chan.

There was no "communist" side in the Spanish Civil War. The Communists were on the side of the Republicans - the people who wanted a representative democracy.

The Spanish Civil War wasn't Communists vs. Fascists, it was Republican Democracy vs. Fascism.

You know I always wanted to know where in the heck that 4chan is since I hear so much about it. I am serious Doc. There would be no need to lie on a faceless message board about it.

What is Republican Democracy Doc? I have never heard about that form of government before. Is it along the lines to change the vocabulary nowadays? When we talk about the U.S., leftists always say "our democracy" I never hear them saying "our republic." It is low brainwashing, isn't it?

In the context the terms are used in the US, "republic" and "democracy" are synonyms. I used the term "Republican democracy" to differtiate it from "direct democracy".

The Spanish Civil War was a military coup against a popularly elected government - a system of government not dissimilar to our own.

4chan is a message board, famously the home of the "alt-right".

Democracy and Republicanism are not interchangeable in spite of leftist usage as such.

Of course they are.

Let's go to the dictionary:

re·pub·lic
rəˈpəblik/
noun

1. a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

de·moc·ra·cy
dəˈmäkrəsē/
noun

1. a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

Both of those terms accurately describe the government of this country.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

No Doc, You are either spinning it or we are not on the same page on this. I understood when you said "they" you meant the republicans weren't fighting for dictatorship. Maybe you referred to the hodgepodge brigades fighting on the communist side?

You're right, we're not on the same page. In fact, I don't even think we're in the same book.

I'm in a history book, you're reading a post on 4chan.

There was no "communist" side in the Spanish Civil War. The Communists were on the side of the Republicans - the people who wanted a representative democracy.

The Spanish Civil War wasn't Communists vs. Fascists, it was Republican Democracy vs. Fascism.

You know I always wanted to know where in the heck that 4chan is since I hear so much about it. I am serious Doc. There would be no need to lie on a faceless message board about it.

What is Republican Democracy Doc? I have never heard about that form of government before. Is it along the lines to change the vocabulary nowadays? When we talk about the U.S., leftists always say "our democracy" I never hear them saying "our republic." It is low brainwashing, isn't it?

In the context the terms are used in the US, "republic" and "democracy" are synonyms. I used the term "Republican democracy" to differtiate it from "direct democracy".

The Spanish Civil War was a military coup against a popularly elected government - a system of government not dissimilar to our own.

4chan is a message board, famously the home of the "alt-right".

Democracy and Republicanism are not interchangeable in spite of leftist usage as such.

Of course they are.

Let's go to the dictionary:

re·pub·lic
rəˈpəblik/
noun

1. a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

de·moc·ra·cy
dəˈmäkrəsē/
noun

1. a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

Both of those terms accurately describe the government of this country.

Who do many Americans say that America isn't a Democracy it's a Republic?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

No Doc, You are either spinning it or we are not on the same page on this. I understood when you said "they" you meant the republicans weren't fighting for dictatorship. Maybe you referred to the hodgepodge brigades fighting on the communist side?

You're right, we're not on the same page. In fact, I don't even think we're in the same book.

I'm in a history book, you're reading a post on 4chan.

There was no "communist" side in the Spanish Civil War. The Communists were on the side of the Republicans - the people who wanted a representative democracy.

The Spanish Civil War wasn't Communists vs. Fascists, it was Republican Democracy vs. Fascism.

You know I always wanted to know where in the heck that 4chan is since I hear so much about it. I am serious Doc. There would be no need to lie on a faceless message board about it.

What is Republican Democracy Doc? I have never heard about that form of government before. Is it along the lines to change the vocabulary nowadays? When we talk about the U.S., leftists always say "our democracy" I never hear them saying "our republic." It is low brainwashing, isn't it?

In the context the terms are used in the US, "republic" and "democracy" are synonyms. I used the term "Republican democracy" to differtiate it from "direct democracy".

The Spanish Civil War was a military coup against a popularly elected government - a system of government not dissimilar to our own.

4chan is a message board, famously the home of the "alt-right".

Democracy and Republicanism are not interchangeable in spite of leftist usage as such.

Whenever I have said to an American that America is a Democracy they have said no America isn't a Democracy it's a Republic. This to me is confusing, but that's what they say.

It's because of who you've been asking.

Both terms apply.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

You're right, we're not on the same page. In fact, I don't even think we're in the same book.

I'm in a history book, you're reading a post on 4chan.

There was no "communist" side in the Spanish Civil War. The Communists were on the side of the Republicans - the people who wanted a representative democracy.

The Spanish Civil War wasn't Communists vs. Fascists, it was Republican Democracy vs. Fascism.

You know I always wanted to know where in the heck that 4chan is since I hear so much about it. I am serious Doc. There would be no need to lie on a faceless message board about it.

What is Republican Democracy Doc? I have never heard about that form of government before. Is it along the lines to change the vocabulary nowadays? When we talk about the U.S., leftists always say "our democracy" I never hear them saying "our republic." It is low brainwashing, isn't it?

In the context the terms are used in the US, "republic" and "democracy" are synonyms. I used the term "Republican democracy" to differtiate it from "direct democracy".

The Spanish Civil War was a military coup against a popularly elected government - a system of government not dissimilar to our own.

4chan is a message board, famously the home of the "alt-right".

Democracy and Republicanism are not interchangeable in spite of leftist usage as such.

Of course they are.

Let's go to the dictionary:

re·pub·lic
rəˈpəblik/
noun

1. a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

de·moc·ra·cy
dəˈmäkrəsē/
noun

1. a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

Both of those terms accurately describe the government of this country.

Who do many Americans say that America isn't a Democracy it's a Republic?

Because you've been asking people who identify as republicans (the political party).

The terms, in context, are synonymous.

 

[defcon4]

No Doc, You are either spinning it or we are not on the same page on this. I understood when you said "they" you meant the republicans weren't fighting for dictatorship. Maybe you referred to the hodgepodge brigades fighting on the communist side?

You're right, we're not on the same page. In fact, I don't even think we're in the same book.

I'm in a history book, you're reading a post on 4chan.

There was no "communist" side in the Spanish Civil War. The Communists were on the side of the Republicans - the people who wanted a representative democracy.

The Spanish Civil War wasn't Communists vs. Fascists, it was Republican Democracy vs. Fascism.

You know I always wanted to know where in the heck that 4chan is since I hear so much about it. I am serious Doc. There would be no need to lie on a faceless message board about it.

What is Republican Democracy Doc? I have never heard about that form of government before. Is it along the lines to change the vocabulary nowadays? When we talk about the U.S., leftists always say "our democracy" I never hear them saying "our republic." It is low brainwashing, isn't it?

In the context the terms are used in the US, "republic" and "democracy" are synonyms. I used the term "Republican democracy" to differtiate it from "direct democracy".

The Spanish Civil War was a military coup against a popularly elected government - a system of government not dissimilar to our own.

4chan is a message board, famously the home of the "alt-right".

Democracy and Republicanism are not interchangeable in spite of leftist usage as such.

Of course they are.

Let's go to the dictionary:

re·pub·lic
rəˈpəblik/
noun

1. a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

de·moc·ra·cy
dəˈmäkrəsē/
noun

1. a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

Both of those terms accurately describe the government of this country.

You are forgetting that Democracy is a mob rule and they can enact laws based on public sentiment. Constitutional Republic on the other hand has a pesky document called the Constitution and laws can be enacted only within the frame of the Constitution. Two different things. Representatives are elected democratically but in a Republic the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

You're right, we're not on the same page. In fact, I don't even think we're in the same book.

I'm in a history book, you're reading a post on 4chan.

There was no "communist" side in the Spanish Civil War. The Communists were on the side of the Republicans - the people who wanted a representative democracy.

The Spanish Civil War wasn't Communists vs. Fascists, it was Republican Democracy vs. Fascism.

You know I always wanted to know where in the heck that 4chan is since I hear so much about it. I am serious Doc. There would be no need to lie on a faceless message board about it.

What is Republican Democracy Doc? I have never heard about that form of government before. Is it along the lines to change the vocabulary nowadays? When we talk about the U.S., leftists always say "our democracy" I never hear them saying "our republic." It is low brainwashing, isn't it?

In the context the terms are used in the US, "republic" and "democracy" are synonyms. I used the term "Republican democracy" to differtiate it from "direct democracy".

The Spanish Civil War was a military coup against a popularly elected government - a system of government not dissimilar to our own.

4chan is a message board, famously the home of the "alt-right".

Democracy and Republicanism are not interchangeable in spite of leftist usage as such.

Of course they are.

Let's go to the dictionary:

re·pub·lic
rəˈpəblik/
noun

1. a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

de·moc·ra·cy
dəˈmäkrəsē/
noun

1. a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

Both of those terms accurately describe the government of this country.

You are forgetting that Democracy is a mob rule and they can enact laws based on public sentiment. Constitutional Republic on the other hand has a pesky document called the Constitution and laws can be enacted only within the frame of the Constitution. Two different things. Representatives are elected democratically but in a Republic the Constitution is the guiding rule.

"Direct democracy" is mob rule.

The people who say that America is a democracy are not referring to a direct democracy.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

You know I always wanted to know where in the heck that 4chan is since I hear so much about it. I am serious Doc. There would be no need to lie on a faceless message board about it.

What is Republican Democracy Doc? I have never heard about that form of government before. Is it along the lines to change the vocabulary nowadays? When we talk about the U.S., leftists always say "our democracy" I never hear them saying "our republic." It is low brainwashing, isn't it?

In the context the terms are used in the US, "republic" and "democracy" are synonyms. I used the term "Republican democracy" to differtiate it from "direct democracy".

The Spanish Civil War was a military coup against a popularly elected government - a system of government not dissimilar to our own.

4chan is a message board, famously the home of the "alt-right".

Democracy and Republicanism are not interchangeable in spite of leftist usage as such.

Of course they are.

Let's go to the dictionary:

re·pub·lic
rəˈpəblik/
noun

1. a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

de·moc·ra·cy
dəˈmäkrəsē/
noun

1. a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

Both of those terms accurately describe the government of this country.

You are forgetting that Democracy is a mob rule and they can enact laws based on public sentiment. Constitutional Republic on the other hand has a pesky document called the Constitution and laws can be enacted only within the frame of the Constitution. Two different things. Representatives are elected democratically but in a Republic the Constitution is the guiding rule.

"Direct democracy" is mob rule.

The people who say that America is a democracy are not referring to a direct democracy.

You can have a form of Direct Democracy that isn't mob rule, this is Direct Representation this is via Referendum and also giving the peoples the right to Veto legislation that they feel doesn't and/or wouldn't be good for the population in general.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

In the context the terms are used in the US, "republic" and "democracy" are synonyms. I used the term "Republican democracy" to differtiate it from "direct democracy".

The Spanish Civil War was a military coup against a popularly elected government - a system of government not dissimilar to our own.

4chan is a message board, famously the home of the "alt-right".

Democracy and Republicanism are not interchangeable in spite of leftist usage as such.

Of course they are.

Let's go to the dictionary:

re·pub·lic
rəˈpəblik/
noun

1. a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

de·moc·ra·cy
dəˈmäkrəsē/
noun

1. a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

Both of those terms accurately describe the government of this country.

You are forgetting that Democracy is a mob rule and they can enact laws based on public sentiment. Constitutional Republic on the other hand has a pesky document called the Constitution and laws can be enacted only within the frame of the Constitution. Two different things. Representatives are elected democratically but in a Republic the Constitution is the guiding rule.

"Direct democracy" is mob rule.

The people who say that America is a democracy are not referring to a direct democracy.

You can have a form of Direct Democracy that isn't mob rule, this is Direct Representation this is via Referendum and also giving the peoples the right to Veto legislation that they feel doesn't and/or wouldn't be good for the population in general.

There are nearly infinite forms of government that fit under the umbrella of "democracy".

A "Constitutional Republic", as the US is, is one of them.

 

[defcon4]

Gotta go kids. Doc, stick to writing prescriptions.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Democracy and Republicanism are not interchangeable in spite of leftist usage as such.

Of course they are.

Let's go to the dictionary:

re·pub·lic
rəˈpəblik/
noun

1. a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

de·moc·ra·cy
dəˈmäkrəsē/
noun

1. a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

Both of those terms accurately describe the government of this country.

You are forgetting that Democracy is a mob rule and they can enact laws based on public sentiment. Constitutional Republic on the other hand has a pesky document called the Constitution and laws can be enacted only within the frame of the Constitution. Two different things. Representatives are elected democratically but in a Republic the Constitution is the guiding rule.

"Direct democracy" is mob rule.

The people who say that America is a democracy are not referring to a direct democracy.

You can have a form of Direct Democracy that isn't mob rule, this is Direct Representation this is via Referendum and also giving the peoples the right to Veto legislation that they feel doesn't and/or wouldn't be good for the population in general.

There are nearly infinite forms of government that fit under the umbrella of "democracy".

A "Constitutional Republic", as the US is, is one of them.

I support Referendums, I think if a policy is going to have a dramatic effect on the nation then I think the peoples as taxpayers should have a say in something that is going to directly effect them and there should be a Referendum.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Of course they are.

Let's go to the dictionary:

re·pub·lic
rəˈpəblik/
noun

1. a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

de·moc·ra·cy
dəˈmäkrəsē/
noun

1. a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

Both of those terms accurately describe the government of this country.

You are forgetting that Democracy is a mob rule and they can enact laws based on public sentiment. Constitutional Republic on the other hand has a pesky document called the Constitution and laws can be enacted only within the frame of the Constitution. Two different things. Representatives are elected democratically but in a Republic the Constitution is the guiding rule.

"Direct democracy" is mob rule.

The people who say that America is a democracy are not referring to a direct democracy.

You can have a form of Direct Democracy that isn't mob rule, this is Direct Representation this is via Referendum and also giving the peoples the right to Veto legislation that they feel doesn't and/or wouldn't be good for the population in general.

There are nearly infinite forms of government that fit under the umbrella of "democracy".

A "Constitutional Republic", as the US is, is one of them.

I support Referendums, I think if a policy is going to have a dramatic effect on the nation then I think the peoples as taxpayers should have a say in something that is going to directly effect them and there should be a Referendum.

I do not support referendums.

This is part of what I find so amusing about this whole conversation.

defcon is arguing that I, as registered "Democrat", support "mob rule" - whereas you, while agreeing this defcon throughout this thread, support the undisputedly "direct" (read: mob rule) democracy of popular referendums.

I lived in California for almost a decade. I saw the damage that popular referendums have done there. You can call me an "elitist" if you like, but the average person doesn't have enough information to make an accurate judgement on this sort of thing.

I support electing people to write laws for me, not having them written by the mob. If I don't like the laws that my elected officials support, I'm free to vote for someone else.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Democracy and Republicanism are not interchangeable in spite of leftist usage as such.

Of course they are.

Let's go to the dictionary:

re·pub·lic
rəˈpəblik/
noun

1. a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

de·moc·ra·cy
dəˈmäkrəsē/
noun

1. a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

Both of those terms accurately describe the government of this country.

You are forgetting that Democracy is a mob rule and they can enact laws based on public sentiment. Constitutional Republic on the other hand has a pesky document called the Constitution and laws can be enacted only within the frame of the Constitution. Two different things. Representatives are elected democratically but in a Republic the Constitution is the guiding rule.

"Direct democracy" is mob rule.

The people who say that America is a democracy are not referring to a direct democracy.

You can have a form of Direct Democracy that isn't mob rule, this is Direct Representation this is via Referendum and also giving the peoples the right to Veto legislation that they feel doesn't and/or wouldn't be good for the population in general.

There are nearly infinite forms of government that fit under the umbrella of "democracy".

A "Constitutional Republic", as the US is, is one of them.

More to illustrate that the EU and those who support it are against Democracy.

This is indicating violence, a violent suppression of a peoples right to Democracy and self-determination. The French need to STFU with their very unpopular little Dictator Macron who now has the lowest approval ratings of any French President of The Fifth Republic.

It is for this reason that I support the Catalans and their desire for self-determination, I do not agree with the politics of Catalonia which is Socialist, but I support their fight because this is a fight against the EU Dictatorship.

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The European Project is no nation states that all nations in the EU must be one European Super State where no nation has their own tax policy, social policy, health policy, court system and no Sovereignty. The EU one large Political Union, it should revert back to the EEC when it was only an Economic Trading Bloc.

Catalonia: French minister calls for stronger EU to SQUASH separatist movements

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Gotta go kids. Doc, stick to writing prescriptions.

Have a nice evening.

You could give me some credit for educating you, though. Some people would charge for it.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Of course they are.

Let's go to the dictionary:

re·pub·lic
rəˈpəblik/
noun

1. a state in which supreme power is held by the people and their elected representatives, and which has an elected or nominated president rather than a monarch.

de·moc·ra·cy
dəˈmäkrəsē/
noun

1. a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

Both of those terms accurately describe the government of this country.

You are forgetting that Democracy is a mob rule and they can enact laws based on public sentiment. Constitutional Republic on the other hand has a pesky document called the Constitution and laws can be enacted only within the frame of the Constitution. Two different things. Representatives are elected democratically but in a Republic the Constitution is the guiding rule.

"Direct democracy" is mob rule.

The people who say that America is a democracy are not referring to a direct democracy.

You can have a form of Direct Democracy that isn't mob rule, this is Direct Representation this is via Referendum and also giving the peoples the right to Veto legislation that they feel doesn't and/or wouldn't be good for the population in general.

There are nearly infinite forms of government that fit under the umbrella of "democracy".

A "Constitutional Republic", as the US is, is one of them.

More to illustrate that the EU and those who support it are against Democracy.

This is indicating violence, a violent suppression of a peoples right to Democracy and self-determination. The French need to STFU with their very unpopular little Dictator Macron who now has the lowest approval ratings of any French President of The Fifth Republic.

It is for this reason that I support the Catalans and their desire for self-determination, I do not agree with the politics of Catalonia which is Socialist, but I support their fight because this is a fight against the EU Dictatorship.

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The European Project is no nation states that all nations in the EU must be one European Super State where no nation has their own tax policy, social policy, health policy, court system and no Sovereignty. The EU one large Political Union, it should revert back to the EEC when it was only an Economic Trading Bloc.

Catalonia: French minister calls for stronger EU to SQUASH separatist movements

Well, I'm glad that you support the separatists (so do I), but that brings us full circle.

Go back and re-read the OP, in the context of our conversation.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Gotta go kids. Doc, stick to writing prescriptions.

Have a nice evening.

You could give me some credit for educating you, though. Some people would charge for it.

I think you should start charging Doc, that's my personal opinion

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

You are forgetting that Democracy is a mob rule and they can enact laws based on public sentiment. Constitutional Republic on the other hand has a pesky document called the Constitution and laws can be enacted only within the frame of the Constitution. Two different things. Representatives are elected democratically but in a Republic the Constitution is the guiding rule.

"Direct democracy" is mob rule.

The people who say that America is a democracy are not referring to a direct democracy.

You can have a form of Direct Democracy that isn't mob rule, this is Direct Representation this is via Referendum and also giving the peoples the right to Veto legislation that they feel doesn't and/or wouldn't be good for the population in general.

There are nearly infinite forms of government that fit under the umbrella of "democracy".

A "Constitutional Republic", as the US is, is one of them.

More to illustrate that the EU and those who support it are against Democracy.

This is indicating violence, a violent suppression of a peoples right to Democracy and self-determination. The French need to STFU with their very unpopular little Dictator Macron who now has the lowest approval ratings of any French President of The Fifth Republic.

It is for this reason that I support the Catalans and their desire for self-determination, I do not agree with the politics of Catalonia which is Socialist, but I support their fight because this is a fight against the EU Dictatorship.

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The European Project is no nation states that all nations in the EU must be one European Super State where no nation has their own tax policy, social policy, health policy, court system and no Sovereignty. The EU one large Political Union, it should revert back to the EEC when it was only an Economic Trading Bloc.

Catalonia: French minister calls for stronger EU to SQUASH separatist movements

Well, I'm glad that you support the separatists (so do I), but that brings us full circle.

Go back and re-read the OP, in the context of our conversation.

You would find that a lot of people do support the Catalans. Americans wouldn't comprehend I don't think how those on the Right could be supporting the Catalans, but this situation transcends politics, as I say this is about supporting the right to self-determination and being against anyone who wishes to violently suppress it.

I will re read the OP okay yes.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

"Direct democracy" is mob rule.

The people who say that America is a democracy are not referring to a direct democracy.

You can have a form of Direct Democracy that isn't mob rule, this is Direct Representation this is via Referendum and also giving the peoples the right to Veto legislation that they feel doesn't and/or wouldn't be good for the population in general.

There are nearly infinite forms of government that fit under the umbrella of "democracy".

A "Constitutional Republic", as the US is, is one of them.

More to illustrate that the EU and those who support it are against Democracy.

This is indicating violence, a violent suppression of a peoples right to Democracy and self-determination. The French need to STFU with their very unpopular little Dictator Macron who now has the lowest approval ratings of any French President of The Fifth Republic.

It is for this reason that I support the Catalans and their desire for self-determination, I do not agree with the politics of Catalonia which is Socialist, but I support their fight because this is a fight against the EU Dictatorship.

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The European Project is no nation states that all nations in the EU must be one European Super State where no nation has their own tax policy, social policy, health policy, court system and no Sovereignty. The EU one large Political Union, it should revert back to the EEC when it was only an Economic Trading Bloc.

Catalonia: French minister calls for stronger EU to SQUASH separatist movements

Well, I'm glad that you support the separatists (so do I), but that brings us full circle.

Go back and re-read the OP, in the context of our conversation.

You would find that a lot of people do support the Catalans. Americans wouldn't comprehend I don't think how those on the Right could be supporting the Catalans, but this situation transcends politics, as I say this is about supporting the right to self-determination and being against anyone who wishes to violently suppress it.

I will re read the OP okay yes.

If you support self-determination, how do you reconcile that with your support for Franco?

He overthrew an elected (self-determined) government, and installed himself as absolute ruler.

 

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Are you saying that you were a Franco supporter?

What's so bad about being a Franco supporter?

Churchill, FDR, and Stalin were much more brutal than Franco.

Besides, Franco in the Spanish Miracle achieved Europe's fastest economic growth in the 20th century.