Any REAL evidence that Russian weapons were used to down the Malaysian flight or not?

[pvsi]

If there is no real evidence that Russian weapons were used to down the flight, and if there is evidence that Ukrainian authorities have withheld traffic control information while they are being accused of derailing the plane purposely over a war zone, then the verdict of guilt is very clear and it points to the US/EU backed Kiev junta and it explains why just yesterday US puppet Yatsenyuk resigned

 

[bendog]

It's clearly a western plot to discredit the freedom fighters protecting soviet speaking peoples of the Ukraine

 

[pvsi]

I ask moderators to close this thread after half an hour if no evidence is posted, I am not interested in CNN type evidence along the lines of "But the world community is pointing all fingers at Putin" - does anyone have any REAL evidence that Russian weapons were used to down the Malaysian flight or not?

Besides the sicko who fired the missile bragging about it on twitter???????????

Fuck, get out of your cave, dude.

Your time to present the evidence has expired.

 

[dilloduck]

It's clearly a western plot to discredit the freedom fighters protecting soviet speaking peoples of the Ukraine

Oh the west wants far more than that--they want to put missiles there and control the pipelines.

 

[bendog]

It's clearly a western plot to discredit the freedom fighters protecting soviet speaking peoples of the Ukraine

Oh the west wants far more than that--they want to put missiles there and control the pipelines.

Clearly Germany wants military expansionism. Clearly.

 

[Camp]

I ask moderators to close this thread after half an hour if no evidence is posted, I am not interested in CNN type evidence along the lines of "But the world community is pointing all fingers at Putin" - does anyone have any REAL evidence that Russian weapons were used to down the Malaysian flight or not?

Besides the sicko who fired the missile bragging about it on twitter???????????

Fuck, get out of your cave, dude.

Your time to present the evidence has expired.

No it hasn't. And the most glaring proof is that almost all the "leaders" of the so called "separatist groups are not from Ukraine. They are Russian citizens and mostly from Moscow as well as being "former" military officers. The separatist ride around in the latest Russian armored military vehicles and they carry Russian weapons. They shot down aircraft with Russian weapons before MH 17 and have shot down aircraft with Russian weapons afther MH 17.

 

[bendog]

MH 17 was a tragic accident, and most likely the airlines, Ukraine, the seperatists and the Ruskies all have some degree of "fault" in causing it. But, the issue is really whether we want to allow Russia to aggressively appropriate territory it formerly ceded to independent govts in territory the Czar and Communists at one time conquered and included in an empire governed and controlled by the denial of basic human rights and violent oppression.

 

[dilloduck]

Besides the sicko who fired the missile bragging about it on twitter???????????

Fuck, get out of your cave, dude.

Your time to present the evidence has expired.

No it hasn't. And the most glaring proof is that almost all the "leaders" of the so called "separatist groups are not from Ukraine. They are Russian citizens and mostly from Moscow as well as being "former" military officers. The separatist ride around in the latest Russian armored military vehicles and they carry Russian weapons. They shot down aircraft with Russian weapons before MH 17 and have shot down aircraft with Russian weapons afther MH 17.

The people who live there speak Russian, identify with Russian culture and voted that way in the last election. Don't try to pretend this is a Russian invasion.

there are 100 million AK 47s in the world------not too surprising they would have a Russian weapon. I'm sure the Ukraine does too.

 

[bendog]

Your time to present the evidence has expired.

No it hasn't. And the most glaring proof is that almost all the "leaders" of the so called "separatist groups are not from Ukraine. They are Russian citizens and mostly from Moscow as well as being "former" military officers. The separatist ride around in the latest Russian armored military vehicles and they carry Russian weapons. They shot down aircraft with Russian weapons before MH 17 and have shot down aircraft with Russian weapons afther MH 17.

The people who live there speak Russian, identify with Russian culture and voted that way in the last election. Don't try to pretend this is a Russian invasion.

there are 100 million AK 47s in the world------not too surprising they would have a Russian weapon. I'm sure the Ukraine does too.

but it isn't Russia. And the only reason Russians are there is because the Soviets put them there to control the local populace. So, maybe the Russians should go home.

 

[pvsi]

Besides the sicko who fired the missile bragging about it on twitter???????????

Fuck, get out of your cave, dude.

Your time to present the evidence has expired.

No it hasn't. And the most glaring proof is that almost all the "leaders" of the so called "separatist groups are not from Ukraine. They are Russian citizens and mostly from Moscow as well as being "former" military officers. The separatist ride around in the latest Russian armored military vehicles and they carry Russian weapons. They shot down aircraft with Russian weapons before MH 17 and have shot down aircraft with Russian weapons afther MH 17.

And the best evidence you have is along the lines of:

Senior U.S. intelligence officials presented evidence today that they say makes a “solid case” as to why the U.S. believes a Russian made SA-11 missile fired from separatist-held eastern Ukraine shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 last week.

While the leading theory is that Russian separatists brought down the plane, the U.S. intelligence community still cannot determine who pulled the trigger or why. The officials pointed the finger at Russia for having “created the conditions” behind the shoot-down and labeled as “not plausible” new Russian claims that the plane may have been brought down by a Ukrainian fighter jet.

 

[dilloduck]

No it hasn't. And the most glaring proof is that almost all the "leaders" of the so called "separatist groups are not from Ukraine. They are Russian citizens and mostly from Moscow as well as being "former" military officers. The separatist ride around in the latest Russian armored military vehicles and they carry Russian weapons. They shot down aircraft with Russian weapons before MH 17 and have shot down aircraft with Russian weapons afther MH 17.

The people who live there speak Russian, identify with Russian culture and voted that way in the last election. Don't try to pretend this is a Russian invasion.

there are 100 million AK 47s in the world------not too surprising they would have a Russian weapon. I'm sure the Ukraine does too.

but it isn't Russia. And the only reason Russians are there is because the Soviets put them there to control the local populace. So, maybe the Russians should go home.

You're delusional-----do you think everyone who lives in Eastern Ukraine is a Russian plant ?

 

[bendog]

The people who live there speak Russian, identify with Russian culture and voted that way in the last election. Don't try to pretend this is a Russian invasion.

there are 100 million AK 47s in the world------not too surprising they would have a Russian weapon. I'm sure the Ukraine does too.

but it isn't Russia. And the only reason Russians are there is because the Soviets put them there to control the local populace. So, maybe the Russians should go home.

You're delusional-----do you think everyone who lives in Eastern Ukraine is a Russian plant ?

Only those shooting down airliners.

 

[pvsi]

but it isn't Russia. And the only reason Russians are there is because the Soviets put them there to control the local populace. So, maybe the Russians should go home.

This guy DID go home. Just yesterday: it is also worth pointing out that there was NOTHING about it on CNN or FOX NEWS MAIN PAGE.

 

[Camp]

Your time to present the evidence has expired.

No it hasn't. And the most glaring proof is that almost all the "leaders" of the so called "separatist groups are not from Ukraine. They are Russian citizens and mostly from Moscow as well as being "former" military officers. The separatist ride around in the latest Russian armored military vehicles and they carry Russian weapons. They shot down aircraft with Russian weapons before MH 17 and have shot down aircraft with Russian weapons afther MH 17.

The people who live there speak Russian, identify with Russian culture and voted that way in the last election. Don't try to pretend this is a Russian invasion.

It is a Russian invasion. When foreign troops and people cross the border with weapons and do battle with government troops it is called an invasion. And on May 25 the people of Ukraine overwhelmingly voted for a government in Kiev. The Parliament just gave complete control of the government to the guy they elected as President.
The world can never accept the equipment of rebel armies or entities that are not official governments with weapons of the type Russian has unilaterally decided to equip the so called "separatist with.
Now name some of the separatist leaders that are actual Ukrainians and not Russians who lived in Russia just a few months ago and were employed by the Russian military.

 

[dilloduck]

No it hasn't. And the most glaring proof is that almost all the "leaders" of the so called "separatist groups are not from Ukraine. They are Russian citizens and mostly from Moscow as well as being "former" military officers. The separatist ride around in the latest Russian armored military vehicles and they carry Russian weapons. They shot down aircraft with Russian weapons before MH 17 and have shot down aircraft with Russian weapons afther MH 17.

The people who live there speak Russian, identify with Russian culture and voted that way in the last election. Don't try to pretend this is a Russian invasion.

It is a Russian invasion. When foreign troops and people cross the border with weapons and do battle with government troops it is called an invasion. And on May 25 the people of Ukraine overwhelmingly voted for a government in Kiev. The Parliament just gave complete control of the government to the guy they elected as President.
The world can never accept the equipment of rebel armies or entities that are not official governments with weapons of the type Russian has unilaterally decided to equip the so called "separatist with.
Now name some of the separatist leaders that are actual Ukrainians and not Russians who lived in Russia just a few months ago and were employed by the Russian military.

You didn't look at the map that shows the voting stats did you ?

 

[bendog]

The question is whether Ukranians living in land that historically is the Ukraine should have to live in Russia because a bunch of Russians moved in when the Soviets had a boot over their necks.

 

[pvsi]

on May 25 the people of Ukraine overwhelmingly voted for a government in Kiev.

And before that the people of Donetsk and Luhansk overwhelmingly voted to SEPARATE from the US/EU backed oligarchy. And why did the Kiev junta "prime minister" resign yesterday, after being invited to the white house even before the elections and everything:

 

[dilloduck]

The question is whether Ukranians living in land that historically is the Ukraine should have to live in Russia because a bunch of Russians moved in when the Soviets had a boot over their necks.

Are they complaining or is it just the west that doesn't like the way things are shaping up ?

 

[bendog]

The question is whether Ukranians living in land that historically is the Ukraine should have to live in Russia because a bunch of Russians moved in when the Soviets had a boot over their necks.

Are they complaining or is it just the west that doesn't like the way things are shaping up ?

probably both, but your reality depends upon it being justifiable for a majority of Russian speakers to be able to force a minority of non-Russian speakers to separate from their historical homeland and join Russia. Once you go down that road, the Baltics are next.

 

[Camp]

The people who live there speak Russian, identify with Russian culture and voted that way in the last election. Don't try to pretend this is a Russian invasion.

It is a Russian invasion. When foreign troops and people cross the border with weapons and do battle with government troops it is called an invasion. And on May 25 the people of Ukraine overwhelmingly voted for a government in Kiev. The Parliament just gave complete control of the government to the guy they elected as President.
The world can never accept the equipment of rebel armies or entities that are not official governments with weapons of the type Russian has unilaterally decided to equip the so called "separatist with.
Now name some of the separatist leaders that are actual Ukrainians and not Russians who lived in Russia just a few months ago and were employed by the Russian military.

You didn't look at the map that shows the voting stats did you ?

I glanced at the 2010 election map. I don't think it has anything to do with the May 25, 2014 election.