Are Children A Part Of The Gay Marriage Conversation?

To what degree are children a part of the gay-marriage conversation?

  • They are THE concern of marriage. Marriage was mainly created for their benefit after all.

    Votes: 7 63.6%
  • Part of the conversation for sure. But in the end the adult civil rights trump them.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Somewhat part of the conversation, but only a secondary role.

    Votes: 2 18.2%
  • Marriage is for and about adults. Kids will accept what they have to.

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 1 9.1%

  • Total voters
    11
Those are the first court cases regarding marriage. Marriage has existed for thousands of years. Court cases in the United States don't prove a thing about the origins of marriage.

The origins of which, civil or religious? How are the origins relevant to the discussion?

The discussion is about why marriage exists. That goes right to the subject of origins.

except marriage doesn't exist for procreation.

That's the only reason marriage exists.

That's absurd and made up by the voices in your head
Marriage laws do not explore the reasons for marriage. They deal simply with the fact that two people want to make their commitment to each other a legal contract.

Within religious context, the primary purpose of marriage is often to produce offspring and lots of them. The more children, the more the church will grow. Since a gay marriage does not produce children, it has no purpose in the eyes of the church..
 
Polygamists are icky?

Depends on the context. Consenting adults, no...those polygamist colonies where the basically rape little girls, yes. There is also an economic disadvantage to polygamy that does not exist with monogamy...the whole "poor guys have to do without" thing.

I'm not opposed to polygamy the way you are opposed to gays marrying. I wish them luck but their "fight" has nothing to do with marriage equality for gays. It's a distraction.

It has everything to do with the joke called "gay marriage." Every argument used to support gay marriage can also be used to support polygamy. Of course, legalizing polygamy would turn the institution of marriage into a real joke, and then gays will lose everything they have gained.
What do you have against plural marriages? Why do you think everyone but you and people just like you are a joke?

Whether I have anything against them isn't the point. The bottom line is that they are coming. When they arrive the respectability that homosexuals hoped to gain from legalized "gay marriage" will evaporate. When anything goes, marriage doesn't confer any kind of respectability. It devolves to being nothing more than a scheme to get government benefits.
How does it affect your marriage?

You are married aren't you?

If gay marriage has any affect on your marriage, one or both of you is gay.
 
No it wouldn't.
Yes it would.

You have to have a certain types of licenses to drive certain types of vehicles in particular locations. However, you do not have to have certain types of licenses to drive other types of vehicles or in other locations. Thus, your question is ... naive at best. You can't ask a broad question like that and it not have yes and no answers.

Why would you need a different kind of license for different forms of transportation?

Hmmmmmmm

Same reason a license to practice law isn't permission to perform surgical procedures.

Hmmmmmm

Sounds like discrimination to me.
Some forms of discrimination are better than others. IOW liberty is not the liberty to drive a mac truck through a busy city street without having some formal training. Causing undue risk of harm is not liberty.

Like the risk that is inevitable when most opposite sex couples have sex? Is the risk the same when same sex couples have sex? Pregnancy, death?

Hmmmmm
 
Depends on the context. Consenting adults, no...those polygamist colonies where the basically rape little girls, yes. There is also an economic disadvantage to polygamy that does not exist with monogamy...the whole "poor guys have to do without" thing.

I'm not opposed to polygamy the way you are opposed to gays marrying. I wish them luck but their "fight" has nothing to do with marriage equality for gays. It's a distraction.

It has everything to do with the joke called "gay marriage." Every argument used to support gay marriage can also be used to support polygamy. Of course, legalizing polygamy would turn the institution of marriage into a real joke, and then gays will lose everything they have gained.
What do you have against plural marriages? Why do you think everyone but you and people just like you are a joke?

Whether I have anything against them isn't the point. The bottom line is that they are coming. When they arrive the respectability that homosexuals hoped to gain from legalized "gay marriage" will evaporate. When anything goes, marriage doesn't confer any kind of respectability. It devolves to being nothing more than a scheme to get government benefits.
How does it affect your marriage?

You are married aren't you?

If gay marriage has any affect on your marriage, one or both of you is gay.

If you choose to have sex with the opposite sex every day, you ain't gay.
 
It has everything to do with the joke called "gay marriage." Every argument used to support gay marriage can also be used to support polygamy. Of course, legalizing polygamy would turn the institution of marriage into a real joke, and then gays will lose everything they have gained.
What do you have against plural marriages? Why do you think everyone but you and people just like you are a joke?

Whether I have anything against them isn't the point. The bottom line is that they are coming. When they arrive the respectability that homosexuals hoped to gain from legalized "gay marriage" will evaporate. When anything goes, marriage doesn't confer any kind of respectability. It devolves to being nothing more than a scheme to get government benefits.
How does it affect your marriage?

You are married aren't you?

If gay marriage has any affect on your marriage, one or both of you is gay.

If you choose to have sex with the opposite sex every day, you ain't gay.

Yeah, you can still be gay. We can educate you everyday, but you still manage to be completely ignorant. Disconnect sex and orientation and you will begin to have an understanding. If you can't do that, you'll remain ignorant.
 
Yes it would.

You have to have a certain types of licenses to drive certain types of vehicles in particular locations. However, you do not have to have certain types of licenses to drive other types of vehicles or in other locations. Thus, your question is ... naive at best. You can't ask a broad question like that and it not have yes and no answers.

Why would you need a different kind of license for different forms of transportation?

Hmmmmmmm

Same reason a license to practice law isn't permission to perform surgical procedures.

Hmmmmmm

Sounds like discrimination to me.
Some forms of discrimination are better than others. IOW liberty is not the liberty to drive a mac truck through a busy city street without having some formal training. Causing undue risk of harm is not liberty.

Like the risk that is inevitable when most opposite sex couples have sex? Is the risk the same when same sex couples have sex? Pregnancy, death?

Hmmmmm
Less so for lesbians. :D
 
Marriage laws do not explore the reasons for marriage. They deal simply with the fact that two people want to make their commitment to each other a legal contract.

Within religious context, the primary purpose of marriage is often to produce offspring and lots of them. The more children, the more the church will grow. Since a gay marriage does not produce children, it has no purpose in the eyes of the church..

The reasons for marriage is to provide a stable environment into which it is assumed "children will come into". The problem with gay marriage comes when we see the entire culture getting behind lewd sex acts in "pride" parades put on with the anticipation and hopes that children will be watching and even participating.

You read up on how pedophiles operate you know that they do a thing called "grooming". It's where they incrementally get into the mind of the custodians of the child as "trustworthy" [society at large being the custodians of orphans], and then they make their lewd sex acts soften in the minds of the children when entrusted around them. Bright rainbow colors and parades aimed at children participating and looking on, mixed with the eventual sex acts the perp hopes to engage them in makes the eventual molestation "fun and acceptable". Hence the problem with the CULTure of LGBT and their wanting to marry [obtain a legal loophole to access our adoptable orphans]...

If there is a law enforcement officer reading this whose area of expertise is rounding up and arresting pedophiles, s/he knows EXACTLY that what I'm saying has nailed the issue of gay pride parades for kids of all ages [and their custodians of course] and the LGBT culture being in expressed or complacent support thereof as "an indication of child abuse looming"...
 
The origins of which, civil or religious? How are the origins relevant to the discussion?

The discussion is about why marriage exists. That goes right to the subject of origins.

except marriage doesn't exist for procreation.

That's the only reason marriage exists.

That's absurd and made up by the voices in your head
Marriage laws do not explore the reasons for marriage. They deal simply with the fact that two people want to make their commitment to each other a legal contract.

Within religious context, the primary purpose of marriage is often to produce offspring and lots of them. The more children, the more the church will grow. Since a gay marriage does not produce children, it has no purpose in the eyes of the church..

which has nothing to do with the secular and historical purposes of marriage
 
The reasons for marriage is to provide a stable environment into which it is assumed "children will come into".

That of course is one of the reasons. Another is that hetero pervs use the system for grooming young victims for adoption. Yeah, Sil, we know that you have lost it.
 
Marriage laws do not explore the reasons for marriage. They deal simply with the fact that two people want to make their commitment to each other a legal contract.

Within religious context, the primary purpose of marriage is often to produce offspring and lots of them. The more children, the more the church will grow. Since a gay marriage does not produce children, it has no purpose in the eyes of the church..

The reasons for marriage is to provide a stable environment into which it is assumed "children will come into". The problem with gay marriage comes when we see the entire culture getting behind lewd sex acts in "pride" parades put on with the anticipation and hopes that children will be watching and even participating.

You read up on how pedophiles operate you know that they do a thing called "grooming". It's where they incrementally get into the mind of the custodians of the child as "trustworthy" [society at large being the custodians of orphans], and then they make their lewd sex acts soften in the minds of the children when entrusted around them. Bright rainbow colors and parades aimed at children participating and looking on, mixed with the eventual sex acts the perp hopes to engage them in makes the eventual molestation "fun and acceptable". Hence the problem with the CULTure of LGBT and their wanting to marry [obtain a legal loophole to access our adoptable orphans]...

If there is a law enforcement officer reading this whose area of expertise is rounding up and arresting pedophiles, s/he knows EXACTLY that what I'm saying has nailed the issue of gay pride parades for kids of all ages [and their custodians of course] and the LGBT culture being in expressed or complacent support thereof as "an indication of child abuse looming"...
I'll address your first paragraph. The next two paragraphs which imply that gays are pedophiles is not worth responding to.

When you say "the reasons for marriage is to provide a stable environment into which it is assumed "children will come into", Whose reason? the state or the couple entering into the contract?. States laws do not specify that children are either a reason or a requirement for marriage. Many couples who marry, both heterosexual and gay have no intent on having children. I submit to you that children as a reason for marriage is not based on state law. The primary reason that people marry, either gay or straight is they want a legal contract in addition to a commitment they have made to each other.

The controversy concerning gay marriage is about a legal contract which has nothing to do with the religious contract.
 
What do you have against plural marriages? Why do you think everyone but you and people just like you are a joke?

Whether I have anything against them isn't the point. The bottom line is that they are coming. When they arrive the respectability that homosexuals hoped to gain from legalized "gay marriage" will evaporate. When anything goes, marriage doesn't confer any kind of respectability. It devolves to being nothing more than a scheme to get government benefits.
How does it affect your marriage?

You are married aren't you?

If gay marriage has any affect on your marriage, one or both of you is gay.

If you choose to have sex with the opposite sex every day, you ain't gay.

Yeah, you can still be gay. We can educate you everyday, but you still manage to be completely ignorant. Disconnect sex and orientation and you will begin to have an understanding. If you can't do that, you'll remain ignorant.

By definition, she is either a hostage, a hooker, a bisexual or a heterosexual.

You can lie to yourself all you want, doesn't mean we have to buy into your idiocy
 
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Yes it would.

You have to have a certain types of licenses to drive certain types of vehicles in particular locations. However, you do not have to have certain types of licenses to drive other types of vehicles or in other locations. Thus, your question is ... naive at best. You can't ask a broad question like that and it not have yes and no answers.

Why would you need a different kind of license for different forms of transportation?

Hmmmmmmm

Same reason a license to practice law isn't permission to perform surgical procedures.

Hmmmmmm

Sounds like discrimination to me.
Some forms of discrimination are better than others. IOW liberty is not the liberty to drive a mac truck through a busy city street without having some formal training. Causing undue risk of harm is not liberty.

Like the risk that is inevitable when most opposite sex couples have sex? Is the risk the same when same sex couples have sex? Pregnancy, death?

Hmmmmm
No. That's different. Consenting adults performing said actions in their own bedrooms do not cause undue risk to others. Unless of course you and your friends plan on having unprotected sex with them on a regular basis and one of you all have aids. If you want to ban sex ban sex, why not just cut out the sex organs of everyone you don't like? Married couples... the idea is that is a monogamous relationship. As for pregnancy, it works the same for same sex couples as it does for heterosexual couples. All gays have to do is find a surrogate, the same way heterosexual couples do when they can't get pregnant.
 
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It has everything to do with the joke called "gay marriage." Every argument used to support gay marriage can also be used to support polygamy. Of course, legalizing polygamy would turn the institution of marriage into a real joke, and then gays will lose everything they have gained.
What do you have against plural marriages? Why do you think everyone but you and people just like you are a joke?

Whether I have anything against them isn't the point. The bottom line is that they are coming. When they arrive the respectability that homosexuals hoped to gain from legalized "gay marriage" will evaporate. When anything goes, marriage doesn't confer any kind of respectability. It devolves to being nothing more than a scheme to get government benefits.
How does it affect your marriage?

You are married aren't you?

If gay marriage has any affect on your marriage, one or both of you is gay.

If you choose to have sex with the opposite sex every day, you ain't gay.

When people masterbate every day does that make them hetero or gay?
 
Why would you need a different kind of license for different forms of transportation?

Hmmmmmmm

Same reason a license to practice law isn't permission to perform surgical procedures.

Hmmmmmm

Sounds like discrimination to me.
Some forms of discrimination are better than others. IOW liberty is not the liberty to drive a mac truck through a busy city street without having some formal training. Causing undue risk of harm is not liberty.

Like the risk that is inevitable when most opposite sex couples have sex? Is the risk the same when same sex couples have sex? Pregnancy, death?

Hmmmmm
No. That's different. Consenting adults performing said actions in their own bedrooms do not cause undue risk to others. Unless of course you and your friends plan on having unprotected sex with them on a regular basis and one of you all have aids. If you want to ban sex ban sex. Married couples... the idea is that is a monogamous relationship. As for pregnancy, it works the same for same sex couples as it does for heterosexual couples. All gays have to do is find a surrogate, the same way heterosexual couples do when they can't get pregnant.

It effects the whole family. Other children, siblings, parents etc.

Please continue trying to show how the two demographic groups are so alike.

They are relationships, but function far differently and should be treated as such. Just like your doctor/lawyer example.
 
Same reason a license to practice law isn't permission to perform surgical procedures.

Hmmmmmm

Sounds like discrimination to me.
Some forms of discrimination are better than others. IOW liberty is not the liberty to drive a mac truck through a busy city street without having some formal training. Causing undue risk of harm is not liberty.

Like the risk that is inevitable when most opposite sex couples have sex? Is the risk the same when same sex couples have sex? Pregnancy, death?

Hmmmmm
No. That's different. Consenting adults performing said actions in their own bedrooms do not cause undue risk to others. Unless of course you and your friends plan on having unprotected sex with them on a regular basis and one of you all have aids. If you want to ban sex ban sex. Married couples... the idea is that is a monogamous relationship. As for pregnancy, it works the same for same sex couples as it does for heterosexual couples. All gays have to do is find a surrogate, the same way heterosexual couples do when they can't get pregnant.

It effects the whole family. Other children, siblings, parents etc.

Please continue trying to show how the two demographic groups are so alike.

They are relationships, but function far differently and should be treated as such. Just like your doctor/lawyer example.
In a family where the mother is dominant, wheres pants, brings home the money, and has a butch haircut, and the father stays home has long hair and wears a skirt, who's the father figure?
 
What do you have against plural marriages? Why do you think everyone but you and people just like you are a joke?

Whether I have anything against them isn't the point. The bottom line is that they are coming. When they arrive the respectability that homosexuals hoped to gain from legalized "gay marriage" will evaporate. When anything goes, marriage doesn't confer any kind of respectability. It devolves to being nothing more than a scheme to get government benefits.
How does it affect your marriage?

You are married aren't you?

If gay marriage has any affect on your marriage, one or both of you is gay.

If you choose to have sex with the opposite sex every day, you ain't gay.

When people masterbate every day does that make them hetero or gay?

I was replying to seawytch's contention that a female could have sex with a male everyday and still be a lesbian.

Glad I could straighten that out fer ya
 
Hmmmmmm

Sounds like discrimination to me.
Some forms of discrimination are better than others. IOW liberty is not the liberty to drive a mac truck through a busy city street without having some formal training. Causing undue risk of harm is not liberty.

Like the risk that is inevitable when most opposite sex couples have sex? Is the risk the same when same sex couples have sex? Pregnancy, death?

Hmmmmm
No. That's different. Consenting adults performing said actions in their own bedrooms do not cause undue risk to others. Unless of course you and your friends plan on having unprotected sex with them on a regular basis and one of you all have aids. If you want to ban sex ban sex. Married couples... the idea is that is a monogamous relationship. As for pregnancy, it works the same for same sex couples as it does for heterosexual couples. All gays have to do is find a surrogate, the same way heterosexual couples do when they can't get pregnant.

It effects the whole family. Other children, siblings, parents etc.

Please continue trying to show how the two demographic groups are so alike.

They are relationships, but function far differently and should be treated as such. Just like your doctor/lawyer example.
In a family where the mother is dominant, wheres pants, brings home the money, and has a butch haircut, and the father stays home has long hair and wears a skirt, who's the father figure?

The male.

But thanks for playing
 
Same reason a license to practice law isn't permission to perform surgical procedures.

Hmmmmmm

Sounds like discrimination to me.
Some forms of discrimination are better than others. IOW liberty is not the liberty to drive a mac truck through a busy city street without having some formal training. Causing undue risk of harm is not liberty.

Like the risk that is inevitable when most opposite sex couples have sex? Is the risk the same when same sex couples have sex? Pregnancy, death?

Hmmmmm
No. That's different. Consenting adults performing said actions in their own bedrooms do not cause undue risk to others. Unless of course you and your friends plan on having unprotected sex with them on a regular basis and one of you all have aids. If you want to ban sex ban sex. Married couples... the idea is that is a monogamous relationship. As for pregnancy, it works the same for same sex couples as it does for heterosexual couples. All gays have to do is find a surrogate, the same way heterosexual couples do when they can't get pregnant.

It effects the whole family. Other children, siblings, parents etc.

Please continue trying to show how the two demographic groups are so alike.

They are relationships, but function far differently and should be treated as such. Just like your doctor/lawyer example.

You do know that being gay does not prohibit one from becoming a doctor or lawyer, right?
 

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