Are "Hate Crime" Laws Constitutional?

[sealybobo]

I broke into a guys house once and beat the hell out of him for threatening me. I could have done up to ten years but probably would have done less than 5 because of the circumstances.

If I did it cause he was gay or black I woulda shoulda got more time yes.

Ok, back to the basic question. Why should it matter if he was gay or black? You beat the hell out of another human being. Would it be a lesser crime if he was white and straight?

I didn't beat him up BECAUSE he was straight or white. If I did that would be a hate crime.

I'll tell you what wouldn't be a hate crime. You see a bunch of gays and you call them names and they whip your ass. They'd still be guilty of a crime but wouldn't get a hate crime slapped on them.

I think you all get it at this point. If you don't like them do away with them.

I have a theory and I'm going to test it out on this issue. I think every issue we talked about every issue is planted in our minds by the media whether you want to call it liberal or I want to call it corporate media I believe it tells us what the issues they want us talking about. I bet the Republicans on capital hill are going to try to do away with hate crimes.

Because this group needs to be protected constitutionally. The hate crime committers.

This issue isn't even on my top 20

You still don't get it and I doubt that you ever will. So if a bunch of gays whip my ass its not a hate crime (even though they may hate straights) while if a bunch of straights whip a gay guys ass (even though they may have no issue with gays) its a hate crime.

You are trying to punish people for what you think they may be thinking when they commit a crime.

If that is the way we want our laws to read, then it should be a crime to hate anyone for his/her race, sexual orientation, ethnicity, etc. Even if the hater has committed no physical crime.

You libs want government mandated thought control and punishment for non-conforming thoughts.

Why cant you admit to your real agenda?

That's it exactly.

I go out and shoot a group of gays--let's say three of them, but I make no mention as to why, that's okay from a liberal perspective because I didn't say anything about it. I get treated the same as if I ran over three bald guys or three skin heads. However, if I did the same thing but was yelling "QUEER, QUEER, QUEER" that's entirely different. Because I yelled those words, I should now get the death penalty instead of life in prison.

Somebody needs to do something about this out of control, far reaching government. They are getting way too big for their britches and need a reality slap.

True but this isn't an example of that. Have you been talking to teabaggers or libertarian lately? Flirting with the dark side on this issue? I love it when on occasion I don't agree with my usual side. Like even rdean is more liberal than me.

 

[ChrisL]

Please show me some people who've been wronged by hate crime charges. If I'm wrong I'll admit it.

the bakers who were fined for not baking a gay wedding cake.

Is that what were talking about or violent crimes. I see your point but that's not the crimes I'm talking about. Felony hate crimes.
We had to protect blacks in the 60s today we have to protect gays too. Maybe if you stop picking on minorities.

Crack was unfair to blacks so hate crimes are unfair to whites because typically it'll be one of us getting that charge.

Chrisl doesn't like it because no one is targeting little white chicks? What's the difference between aggravated assault and rape? It's all bad. Why not sentence them equally?

Are you sure you aren't smoking crack?

 

[SwimExpert]

Maybe, but that's what we have judges for; to determine the sincerity of the accused.

Thank you for admitting that our court system explores the hearts and minds of perpetrators.

Yes they do, but our legislatures should not.

So you want to strip murder statutes of phrases like "malice aforethought" or "deliberately with intent to cause harm"?

I don't care because they apply to all people, not to selected groups.

Hate crime laws apply to all people. You keep trying to paint a picture otherwise, but at this point you're simply being dishonest in doing so.

 

[ChrisL]

Please show me some people who've been wronged by hate crime charges. If I'm wrong I'll admit it.

the bakers who were fined for not baking a gay wedding cake.

Is that what were talking about or violent crimes. I see your point but that's not the crimes I'm talking about. Felony hate crimes.
We had to protect blacks in the 60s today we have to protect gays too. Maybe if you stop picking on minorities.

Crack was unfair to blacks so hate crimes are unfair to whites because typically it'll be one of us getting that charge.

Chrisl doesn't like it because no one is targeting little white chicks? What's the difference between aggravated assault and rape? It's all bad. Why not sentence them equally?

Those are different LEVELS of crime, you dope!

 

[sealybobo]

Please show me some people who've been wronged by hate crime charges. If I'm wrong I'll admit it.

the bakers who were fined for not baking a gay wedding cake.

Is that what were talking about or violent crimes. I see your point but that's not the crimes I'm talking about. Felony hate crimes.
We had to protect blacks in the 60s today we have to protect gays too. Maybe if you stop picking on minorities.

Crack was unfair to blacks so hate crimes are unfair to whites because typically it'll be one of us getting that charge.

Chrisl doesn't like it because no one is targeting little white chicks? What's the difference between aggravated assault and rape? It's all bad. Why not sentence them equally?

Those are different LEVELS of crime, you dope!

Why? The thought? He might have broken that guys jaw, gave him concussion and made that man not feel safe anymore. Bill Cosby did much less. Seems you want to be a protected group and thoughts matter.

What was bill Cosby thinking? For example

 

[Iceweasel]

See the far left just want hate crimes to label someone and actually not really do anything!

Another far left religious narrative shot down!

Then why do you care?

The purpose of hate crimes is to deter people from commuting them. Stop preying on old black gay Jews.

Does it work?

Yes it does. I can only speak for me but I would think twice before picking on a black or gay just for being black or gay. Knowing I could get charged with a hate crime might make me think twice. That's the purpose.

Nothing is fool proof

Is there evidence that hate crime laws act as a deterrent?

Ask yourself if you were an anti semetic, would you think twice before beating up a guy just because he's wearing a yamaka? I would. It'd make me mad Jews were protected by such a law. Id think they were taking over the country and I'd join the kkk

Unlike yourself I wouldn't beat someone up unless it was self defense. You see, YOU need to be micro-managed by the state, I don't. People like you project your shortcomings onto everyone and think we all suffer from the same malady.

 

[sealybobo]

Please show me some people who've been wronged by hate crime charges. If I'm wrong I'll admit it.

the bakers who were fined for not baking a gay wedding cake.

Is that what were talking about or violent crimes. I see your point but that's not the crimes I'm talking about. Felony hate crimes.
We had to protect blacks in the 60s today we have to protect gays too. Maybe if you stop picking on minorities.

Crack was unfair to blacks so hate crimes are unfair to whites because typically it'll be one of us getting that charge.

Chrisl doesn't like it because no one is targeting little white chicks? What's the difference between aggravated assault and rape? It's all bad. Why not sentence them equally?

Are you sure you aren't smoking crack?

Just pot

 

[Redfish]

Please show me some people who've been wronged by hate crime charges. If I'm wrong I'll admit it.

the bakers who were fined for not baking a gay wedding cake.

Is that what were talking about or violent crimes. I see your point but that's not the crimes I'm talking about. Felony hate crimes.
We had to protect blacks in the 60s today we have to protect gays too. Maybe if you stop picking on minorities.

Crack was unfair to blacks so hate crimes are unfair to whites because typically it'll be one of us getting that charge.

Chrisl doesn't like it because no one is targeting little white chicks? What's the difference between aggravated assault and rape? It's all bad. Why not sentence them equally?

Those are different LEVELS of crime, you dope!

Why? The thought? He might have broken that guys jaw, gave him concussion and made that man not feel safe anymore. Bill Cosby did much less. Seems you want to be a protected group and thoughts matter.

What was bill Cosby thinking? For example

The question in the Cosby case is what was the woman thinking. She went to his hotel room, took pills and drank wine that he offered her. What exactly did she think was going to happen? Did she think they were going to discuss world history?

 

[sealybobo]

Please show me some people who've been wronged by hate crime charges. If I'm wrong I'll admit it.

the bakers who were fined for not baking a gay wedding cake.

Is that what were talking about or violent crimes. I see your point but that's not the crimes I'm talking about. Felony hate crimes.
We had to protect blacks in the 60s today we have to protect gays too. Maybe if you stop picking on minorities.

Crack was unfair to blacks so hate crimes are unfair to whites because typically it'll be one of us getting that charge.

Chrisl doesn't like it because no one is targeting little white chicks? What's the difference between aggravated assault and rape? It's all bad. Why not sentence them equally?

Are you sure you aren't smoking crack?

Just pot but I have a prescription. Medical marijuana is legal In Michigan. Oh my back!

 

[Redfish]

Please show me some people who've been wronged by hate crime charges. If I'm wrong I'll admit it.

the bakers who were fined for not baking a gay wedding cake.

Is that what were talking about or violent crimes. I see your point but that's not the crimes I'm talking about. Felony hate crimes.
We had to protect blacks in the 60s today we have to protect gays too. Maybe if you stop picking on minorities.

Crack was unfair to blacks so hate crimes are unfair to whites because typically it'll be one of us getting that charge.

Chrisl doesn't like it because no one is targeting little white chicks? What's the difference between aggravated assault and rape? It's all bad. Why not sentence them equally?

Are you sure you aren't smoking crack?

Just pot

figures, you seem to have many damaged brain cells, and probably diseased lungs. Enjoy the pot, idiot.

 

[sealybobo]

Then why do you care?

The purpose of hate crimes is to deter people from commuting them. Stop preying on old black gay Jews.

Does it work?

Yes it does. I can only speak for me but I would think twice before picking on a black or gay just for being black or gay. Knowing I could get charged with a hate crime might make me think twice. That's the purpose.

Nothing is fool proof

Is there evidence that hate crime laws act as a deterrent?

Ask yourself if you were an anti semetic, would you think twice before beating up a guy just because he's wearing a yamaka? I would. It'd make me mad Jews were protected by such a law. Id think they were taking over the country and I'd join the kkk

Unlike yourself I wouldn't beat someone up unless it was self defense. You see, YOU need to be micro-managed by the state, I don't. People like you project your shortcomings onto everyone and think we all suffer from the same malady.

Try legislating millions of people like me.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Maybe, but that's what we have judges for; to determine the sincerity of the accused.

Thank you for admitting that our court system explores the hearts and minds of perpetrators.

Yes they do, but our legislatures should not.

So you want to strip murder statutes of phrases like "malice aforethought" or "deliberately with intent to cause harm"?

I don't care because they apply to all people, not to selected groups.

Hate crime laws apply to all people. You keep trying to paint a picture otherwise, but at this point you're simply being dishonest in doing so.

That's not true because every assault or murder usually involves hate of some kind. You want to support who you hate and not hate in general.

You think it's proper to imprison or execute people based on their words and less of their crime, because that's the only way you can prove hate: words either written or said.

I don't think we should be giving extra penalties for words. It's a ridiculous concept. What's next, giving people harsher sentences because of who they were staring at during the crime?

If somebody kills a member of my family, I don't care why, all I care about is having that person executed as quickly as possible. My goal is to see that person suffer as much as humanly possible.

 

[Redfish]

Does it work?

Yes it does. I can only speak for me but I would think twice before picking on a black or gay just for being black or gay. Knowing I could get charged with a hate crime might make me think twice. That's the purpose.

Nothing is fool proof

Is there evidence that hate crime laws act as a deterrent?

Ask yourself if you were an anti semetic, would you think twice before beating up a guy just because he's wearing a yamaka? I would. It'd make me mad Jews were protected by such a law. Id think they were taking over the country and I'd join the kkk

Unlike yourself I wouldn't beat someone up unless it was self defense. You see, YOU need to be micro-managed by the state, I don't. People like you project your shortcomings onto everyone and think we all suffer from the same malady.

Try legislating millions of people like me.

you are part of the idiot minority. you had your chance and blew it on the fake black guy. Sanity now rules in the USA.

 

[sealybobo]

Please show me some people who've been wronged by hate crime charges. If I'm wrong I'll admit it.

the bakers who were fined for not baking a gay wedding cake.

Is that what were talking about or violent crimes. I see your point but that's not the crimes I'm talking about. Felony hate crimes.
We had to protect blacks in the 60s today we have to protect gays too. Maybe if you stop picking on minorities.

Crack was unfair to blacks so hate crimes are unfair to whites because typically it'll be one of us getting that charge.

Chrisl doesn't like it because no one is targeting little white chicks? What's the difference between aggravated assault and rape? It's all bad. Why not sentence them equally?

Those are different LEVELS of crime, you dope!

Why? The thought? He might have broken that guys jaw, gave him concussion and made that man not feel safe anymore. Bill Cosby did much less. Seems you want to be a protected group and thoughts matter.

What was bill Cosby thinking? For example

The question in the Cosby case is what was the woman thinking. She went to his hotel room, took pills and drank wine that he offered her. What exactly did she think was going to happen? Did she think they were going to discuss world history?

I told a conservative that my parents said the same thing and that person said my parents would be wrong.

Anyways, not the point

 

[ChrisL]

Please show me some people who've been wronged by hate crime charges. If I'm wrong I'll admit it.

the bakers who were fined for not baking a gay wedding cake.

Is that what were talking about or violent crimes. I see your point but that's not the crimes I'm talking about. Felony hate crimes.
We had to protect blacks in the 60s today we have to protect gays too. Maybe if you stop picking on minorities.

Crack was unfair to blacks so hate crimes are unfair to whites because typically it'll be one of us getting that charge.

Chrisl doesn't like it because no one is targeting little white chicks? What's the difference between aggravated assault and rape? It's all bad. Why not sentence them equally?

Are you sure you aren't smoking crack?

Just pot but I have a prescription. Medical marijuana is legal In Michigan. Oh my back!

No wonder why you're so dopey!

 

[Iceweasel]

Does it work?

Yes it does. I can only speak for me but I would think twice before picking on a black or gay just for being black or gay. Knowing I could get charged with a hate crime might make me think twice. That's the purpose.

Nothing is fool proof

Is there evidence that hate crime laws act as a deterrent?

Ask yourself if you were an anti semetic, would you think twice before beating up a guy just because he's wearing a yamaka? I would. It'd make me mad Jews were protected by such a law. Id think they were taking over the country and I'd join the kkk

Unlike yourself I wouldn't beat someone up unless it was self defense. You see, YOU need to be micro-managed by the state, I don't. People like you project your shortcomings onto everyone and think we all suffer from the same malady.

Try legislating millions of people like me.

People like you are ruining the country. You live in a sea of relativism where there are no absolutes, and you want the state to play god and examine our souls. Men can't actually do that in reality so they pick and choose people to make an example of, like any tyranny.

 

[Redfish]

the bakers who were fined for not baking a gay wedding cake.

Is that what were talking about or violent crimes. I see your point but that's not the crimes I'm talking about. Felony hate crimes.
We had to protect blacks in the 60s today we have to protect gays too. Maybe if you stop picking on minorities.

Crack was unfair to blacks so hate crimes are unfair to whites because typically it'll be one of us getting that charge.

Chrisl doesn't like it because no one is targeting little white chicks? What's the difference between aggravated assault and rape? It's all bad. Why not sentence them equally?

Those are different LEVELS of crime, you dope!

Why? The thought? He might have broken that guys jaw, gave him concussion and made that man not feel safe anymore. Bill Cosby did much less. Seems you want to be a protected group and thoughts matter.

What was bill Cosby thinking? For example

The question in the Cosby case is what was the woman thinking. She went to his hotel room, took pills and drank wine that he offered her. What exactly did she think was going to happen? Did she think they were going to discuss world history?

I told a conservative that my parents said the same thing and that person said my parents would be wrong.

Anyways, not the point

Cosby was thinking "I want to screw that woman" Should he be punished for thinking that?

The woman was thinking "Cosby is nice, I'll go to his room, take some unknown pills, drink some wine, and we'll just talk"

Should she be punished for being stupid?

 

[sealybobo]

Yes it does. I can only speak for me but I would think twice before picking on a black or gay just for being black or gay. Knowing I could get charged with a hate crime might make me think twice. That's the purpose.

Nothing is fool proof

Is there evidence that hate crime laws act as a deterrent?

Ask yourself if you were an anti semetic, would you think twice before beating up a guy just because he's wearing a yamaka? I would. It'd make me mad Jews were protected by such a law. Id think they were taking over the country and I'd join the kkk

Unlike yourself I wouldn't beat someone up unless it was self defense. You see, YOU need to be micro-managed by the state, I don't. People like you project your shortcomings onto everyone and think we all suffer from the same malady.

Try legislating millions of people like me.

People like you are ruining the country. You live in a sea of relativism where there are no absolutes, and you want the state to play god and examine our souls. Men can't actually do that in reality so they pick and choose people to make an example of, like any tyranny.

Hey, I do see your points. Like why aren't blacks who attack whites not charged with hate crimes?

 

[ChrisL]

Is that what were talking about or violent crimes. I see your point but that's not the crimes I'm talking about. Felony hate crimes.
We had to protect blacks in the 60s today we have to protect gays too. Maybe if you stop picking on minorities.

Crack was unfair to blacks so hate crimes are unfair to whites because typically it'll be one of us getting that charge.

Chrisl doesn't like it because no one is targeting little white chicks? What's the difference between aggravated assault and rape? It's all bad. Why not sentence them equally?

Those are different LEVELS of crime, you dope!

Why? The thought? He might have broken that guys jaw, gave him concussion and made that man not feel safe anymore. Bill Cosby did much less. Seems you want to be a protected group and thoughts matter.

What was bill Cosby thinking? For example

The question in the Cosby case is what was the woman thinking. She went to his hotel room, took pills and drank wine that he offered her. What exactly did she think was going to happen? Did she think they were going to discuss world history?

I told a conservative that my parents said the same thing and that person said my parents would be wrong.

Anyways, not the point

Cosby was thinking "I want to screw that woman" Should he be punished for thinking that?

The woman was thinking "Cosby is nice, I'll go to his room, take some unknown pills, drink some wine, and we'll just talk"

Should she be punished for being stupid?

Well, to be fair, it doesn't matter if a woman is in your room drunk. That is not an "okay" to have sex, no matter what.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

after 398 posts, i gotta jump in here,

Are "Hate Crime" Laws Constitutional?

NO!!

so i gotta ask.., has anyone heard of or known of a "Love Crime" ??

Crimes of passion? Yes

So far these people haven't convinced me hate crimes are wrong or unconstitutional

A crime of passion is usually treated LESS severe than a premeditated crime. WHAT is your point? We have 3 levels of homicide, which are based upon whether the murder was planned or "spontaneous." This doesn't have anything to do with your feelings or your particular thoughts of the victim. Nor should it. It doesn't make a difference if you kill someone because that person is gay or if you kill someone because you have something against that particular person. One is NOT worse than the other one.

If a guy goes out and gets drunk and drugged up and beats some guy up bad on the way home, or he rapes a woman, are both equal? He caused physical bodily harm on both people

Apples and oranges. Rape and a physical assault are two different crimes. To make a better comparison, let's say we give more years in prison to a rapist that attacked a woman out of hate instead of the rapist that attacked a woman out of lust or passion. Do you now see how ridiculous hate crime is?