Are really sure you want gay marriage?

Nope. The latter is a tantrum. The pseudo-legal equivilant of overturning a chessboard because you don't like the outcome of the game.

The former is equal protection under the law. Its cheaper, faster, simpler, and far more effective. By every measure, it works better.

Nope. Gays already have equal protection under the law. Marriage is a union between a man and a woman.

As Loving V. Virginia demonstrated, the restrictions placed on marriage have meet constitutional muster as well.

The Loving v. Virginia decision was about racial discrimination. The 14th Amendment clearly bars discrimination based on race. It says nothing about sexual orientation or gender.

Using that to support the case for ghey marriage is absurd.

And same sex marriage bans fail those standards utterly. They have no rational purpose, they don't meet any valid legislative end, and they don't serve a compelling state interest.

They just 'are'. And that's not good enough.

They do have a rational purpose, a valid legislative purpose and a compelling state interest: promoting the raising of healthy well adjusted children. Gay marriage diverts legal and social resources away from that purpose.

Which might explain why in 44 of 46 cases heard by the federal judiciary, gay marriage bans were overturned.

Venue shopping and activist liberal judges explain that result. One thing you can't claim is that your desired ends were achieved democratically.

you really shouldn't try to analyze Loving...

yes. Loving was specifically about anti-miscegenation laws.

however, it found that marriage is a fundamental right. and where a fundamental right is involved, the government has to have a very good reason for infringing upon the right.

hint: your bigotry isn't a good reason.

Marriage is a union between a man and a woman. yes, that is a fundamental right. A union between a man and a man is a joke, and nothing more.
In a few months this will all be over my little infant, so you can stop repeating what is no longer true, and isn't even true now in most of the US. What will you do then, continue to whine like a child or grow up and deal with the loss like a man?
 
The Loving v. Virginia decision was about racial discrimination. The 14th Amendment clearly bars discrimination based on race. It says nothing about sexual orientation or gender.

The 14th amendment never mentions race. You've clearly never read the 14th amendment. Making your commentary of something you've never read meaningless babble.

Back in reality, the 14th amendment forbids States from doing this:

From Section 1 of the 14th Amendment said:
"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

If a State does any of that, its in violation of the 14th amendment. And as Romer v. Evans makes ridiculously clear, the 14th amendment does protect gays. The USSC is surely a more informed and authoritative source than some poor yutz who has never even read the 14th amendment.

Using that to support the case for ghey marriage is absurd.

Says you. And your source sucks. Read Windsor v. US, the landmark gays rights case from 2013. The USSC actually cites Loving V. Virginia as an example of how state marriage laws are subject to constitutional guarantees in a case overturning federal same sex marriage bans.

You say that Loving v. Virginia is irrelevant. The USSC cites it in a case about gay marriage. The USSC wins again.

They do have a rational purpose, a valid legislative purpose and a compelling state interest: promoting the raising of healthy well adjusted children. Gay marriage diverts legal and social resources away from that purpose.

How does denying marriage to same sex parents help promote healthy, well adjusted children? Or benefit these children in any way? its not as if by denying a lesbian couple marriage that their children magically have opposite sex parents.

All you do is guarantee that these children never have married parents. Which cases these children immediately legal harm;

Windsor v. US said:
"And it humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives....

.....DOMA also brings financial harm to children of same-sex couples. It raises the cost of health care for families by taxing health benefits provided by employers to their workers’ same-sex spouses. And it denies or reduces benefits allowed to families upon the loss of a spouse and parent, benefits that are an integral part of family security.

So the harms caused to children by denying same sex marriage are extreme and extensive. And there are no benefits to these children.

So much for the 'compelling state interest' of denying marriage to same sex couples.
 
Venue shopping and activist liberal judges explain that result. One thing you can't claim is that your desired ends were achieved democratically.

I don't think 'venue shopping' means what you think it means. Gay marriage bans have been adjudicated at virtually every level of 6 different court districts, going all the way to the top of each district. 5 of 6 times, gay marriage bans were overturned, totally 46 different proceedings and over 75 judges.

44 times gay marriage bans lost. When 95% of all cases on a particular topic go in a specific way, that's a pretty strong indication of the weight of current precedent.

With the USSC preserving EVERY lower court ruling that overturned gay marriage bans. And denying stays for EVERY state attempting to defend such bans.

Without exception.
 

Article mentions no scriptural evidence for that.

As a Jew who doesn't marry, teaching love is the greatest commandment certainly feeds the 'gay' hypothesis. Since that was forbidden and punishable by death, one can easily see a gay Jewish rabbi emphasizing love is the most important thing. Even if he could never act on his love for men if that were the case.

As God's son he would have followed God's laws.

Romans 1: 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, O men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
 

Article mentions no scriptural evidence for that.

As a Jew who doesn't marry, teaching love is the greatest commandment certainly feeds the 'gay' hypothesis. Since that was forbidden and punishable by death, one can easily see a gay Jewish rabbi emphasizing love is the most important thing. Even if he could never act on his love for men if that were the case.

As God's son he would have followed God's laws.

Romans 1: 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, O men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

I thought god's commandment was 'be fruitful and multiply'. When was that rescinded?

Or did Paul 'overturn' that commandment of God?
 

Article mentions no scriptural evidence for that.

As a Jew who doesn't marry, teaching love is the greatest commandment certainly feeds the 'gay' hypothesis. Since that was forbidden and punishable by death, one can easily see a gay Jewish rabbi emphasizing love is the most important thing. Even if he could never act on his love for men if that were the case.

As God's son he would have followed God's laws.

Romans 1: 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, O men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

A celibate homosexual IS following God's laws. Homosexuality isn't a sin. Homosexual acts are.
 

Article mentions no scriptural evidence for that.

As a Jew who doesn't marry, teaching love is the greatest commandment certainly feeds the 'gay' hypothesis. Since that was forbidden and punishable by death, one can easily see a gay Jewish rabbi emphasizing love is the most important thing. Even if he could never act on his love for men if that were the case.

As God's son he would have followed God's laws.

Romans 1: 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, O men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
He wasn't big on following Jewish law, one of the reasons his family, and followers, thought him out of his mind at times.
 

Article mentions no scriptural evidence for that.

As a Jew who doesn't marry, teaching love is the greatest commandment certainly feeds the 'gay' hypothesis. Since that was forbidden and punishable by death, one can easily see a gay Jewish rabbi emphasizing love is the most important thing. Even if he could never act on his love for men if that were the case.

As God's son he would have followed God's laws.

Romans 1: 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, O men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

A celibate homosexual IS following God's laws. Homosexuality isn't a sin. Homosexual acts are.

Give it a rest twinkle toes.
 

Article mentions no scriptural evidence for that.

As a Jew who doesn't marry, teaching love is the greatest commandment certainly feeds the 'gay' hypothesis. Since that was forbidden and punishable by death, one can easily see a gay Jewish rabbi emphasizing love is the most important thing. Even if he could never act on his love for men if that were the case.

As God's son he would have followed God's laws.

Romans 1: 26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature;27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, O men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
He wasn't big on following Jewish law, one of the reasons his family, and followers, thought him out of his mind at times.

Broke the 6th at least 3 times for unjustified reasons.
 
Psst...there were three Marys at the cross. His mother, his mother's sister, and Mary Magdalene.

Well since marrying your mother or your aunt were generally frowned upon in Christ era jewish culture, I'd say the evidence points away from a sexual relationship with either of the first two.

However, turds like you should approve of marrying your mother if you're a legally consenting adult, right?

quiet, loon.

You don't want to touch it either.

Telling.

not really. :cuckoo:


Yes, really. You and the other ghey marriage apologists are afraid to discuss the issue because you know you look like idiots whenever you try to claim it's OK for Adam to marry Steve but not OK for Adam to marry his mother or his adult sister.
 
Nope. Gays already have equal protection under the law. Marriage is a union between a man and a woman.

As Loving V. Virginia demonstrated, the restrictions placed on marriage have meet constitutional muster as well.

The Loving v. Virginia decision was about racial discrimination. The 14th Amendment clearly bars discrimination based on race. It says nothing about sexual orientation or gender.

Using that to support the case for ghey marriage is absurd.

And same sex marriage bans fail those standards utterly. They have no rational purpose, they don't meet any valid legislative end, and they don't serve a compelling state interest.

They just 'are'. And that's not good enough.

They do have a rational purpose, a valid legislative purpose and a compelling state interest: promoting the raising of healthy well adjusted children. Gay marriage diverts legal and social resources away from that purpose.

Which might explain why in 44 of 46 cases heard by the federal judiciary, gay marriage bans were overturned.

Venue shopping and activist liberal judges explain that result. One thing you can't claim is that your desired ends were achieved democratically.

you really shouldn't try to analyze Loving...

yes. Loving was specifically about anti-miscegenation laws.

however, it found that marriage is a fundamental right. and where a fundamental right is involved, the government has to have a very good reason for infringing upon the right.

hint: your bigotry isn't a good reason.

Marriage is a union between a man and a woman. yes, that is a fundamental right. A union between a man and a man is a joke, and nothing more.

there is nothing in the law that requires it to be a man and a woman. it used to require that the people be of the same race. loving got rid of those laws.

this is what I mean about you not understanding what loving said and did


ROFL! That's only because in those days no one ever imagined a man would try to marry another man. In those days sodomy was against the law, so how would anyone conceive that ghey marriage would be legal?
 
Nope. Gays already have equal protection under the law. Marriage is a union between a man and a woman.

As Loving V. Virginia demonstrated, the restrictions placed on marriage have meet constitutional muster as well.

The Loving v. Virginia decision was about racial discrimination. The 14th Amendment clearly bars discrimination based on race. It says nothing about sexual orientation or gender.

Using that to support the case for ghey marriage is absurd.

And same sex marriage bans fail those standards utterly. They have no rational purpose, they don't meet any valid legislative end, and they don't serve a compelling state interest.

They just 'are'. And that's not good enough.

They do have a rational purpose, a valid legislative purpose and a compelling state interest: promoting the raising of healthy well adjusted children. Gay marriage diverts legal and social resources away from that purpose.

Which might explain why in 44 of 46 cases heard by the federal judiciary, gay marriage bans were overturned.

Venue shopping and activist liberal judges explain that result. One thing you can't claim is that your desired ends were achieved democratically.

you really shouldn't try to analyze Loving...

yes. Loving was specifically about anti-miscegenation laws.

however, it found that marriage is a fundamental right. and where a fundamental right is involved, the government has to have a very good reason for infringing upon the right.

hint: your bigotry isn't a good reason.

Marriage is a union between a man and a woman. yes, that is a fundamental right. A union between a man and a man is a joke, and nothing more.
In a few months this will all be over my little infant, so you can stop repeating what is no longer true, and isn't even true now in most of the US. What will you do then, continue to whine like a child or grow up and deal with the loss like a man?

It will always be true whether the government admits it or not. The law and reality are often two separate things. The value of PI doesn't become 3.2 because some judge orders it.
 
Venue shopping and activist liberal judges explain that result. One thing you can't claim is that your desired ends were achieved democratically.

I don't think 'venue shopping' means what you think it means. Gay marriage bans have been adjudicated at virtually every level of 6 different court districts, going all the way to the top of each district. 5 of 6 times, gay marriage bans were overturned, totally 46 different proceedings and over 75 judges.

44 times gay marriage bans lost. When 95% of all cases on a particular topic go in a specific way, that's a pretty strong indication of the weight of current precedent.

With the USSC preserving EVERY lower court ruling that overturned gay marriage bans. And denying stays for EVERY state attempting to defend such bans.

Without exception.

A majority of the judges were selected by Clinton and Obama, who don't give a flying fuck about the actual text of the law.
 
As Loving V. Virginia demonstrated, the restrictions placed on marriage have meet constitutional muster as well.

The Loving v. Virginia decision was about racial discrimination. The 14th Amendment clearly bars discrimination based on race. It says nothing about sexual orientation or gender.

Using that to support the case for ghey marriage is absurd.

And same sex marriage bans fail those standards utterly. They have no rational purpose, they don't meet any valid legislative end, and they don't serve a compelling state interest.

They just 'are'. And that's not good enough.

They do have a rational purpose, a valid legislative purpose and a compelling state interest: promoting the raising of healthy well adjusted children. Gay marriage diverts legal and social resources away from that purpose.

Which might explain why in 44 of 46 cases heard by the federal judiciary, gay marriage bans were overturned.

Venue shopping and activist liberal judges explain that result. One thing you can't claim is that your desired ends were achieved democratically.

you really shouldn't try to analyze Loving...

yes. Loving was specifically about anti-miscegenation laws.

however, it found that marriage is a fundamental right. and where a fundamental right is involved, the government has to have a very good reason for infringing upon the right.

hint: your bigotry isn't a good reason.

Marriage is a union between a man and a woman. yes, that is a fundamental right. A union between a man and a man is a joke, and nothing more.
In a few months this will all be over my little infant, so you can stop repeating what is no longer true, and isn't even true now in most of the US. What will you do then, continue to whine like a child or grow up and deal with the loss like a man?

It will always be true whether the government admits it or not. The law and reality are often two separate things. The value of PI doesn't become 3.2 because some judge orders it.
So, you're going to whine like a child then...
 
Well since marrying your mother or your aunt were generally frowned upon in Christ era jewish culture, I'd say the evidence points away from a sexual relationship with either of the first two.

However, turds like you should approve of marrying your mother if you're a legally consenting adult, right?

quiet, loon.

You don't want to touch it either.

Telling.

not really. :cuckoo:


Yes, really. You and the other ghey marriage apologists are afraid to discuss the issue because you know you look like idiots whenever you try to claim it's OK for Adam to marry Steve but not OK for Adam to marry his mother or his adult sister.
Not sure I would go there since one, there were no laws then besides God's instructions, and two, Cain and Abel were fucking their younger sisters.
 
However, turds like you should approve of marrying your mother if you're a legally consenting adult, right?

quiet, loon.

You don't want to touch it either.

Telling.

not really. :cuckoo:


Yes, really. You and the other ghey marriage apologists are afraid to discuss the issue because you know you look like idiots whenever you try to claim it's OK for Adam to marry Steve but not OK for Adam to marry his mother or his adult sister.
Not sure I would go there since one, there were no laws then besides God's instructions, and two, Cain and Abel were fucking their younger sisters.

"Then?" I didn't mention a time frame. I meant now, not the mythical "then."
 

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