Are These Reasonable Regulations of Guns? or Harassment of Gun Owners?

[rightwinger]

Don't you mean the way you are waging war against the United States for the express purpose of destroying the Constitution and enslaving the populace under brutal Extreme Fascist Mussolini Dictatorship (circa 1939)?

The only ones promoting fascism are you Marxists. Who is in this thread seeking to end the Bill of Rights? Not I, nor any American, just you Communists.

Fascists are right wing and always have been. You really need to get educated. If you mean Marxists, call it Marxist. Fascism is the exact opposite of a Marxist. I know you won't read this but here is one of the best write ups I have ever seen by some very learned people.

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

Here is some bullet points. And you do full

Don't you mean the way you are waging war against the United States for the express purpose of destroying the Constitution and enslaving the populace under brutal Extreme Fascist Mussolini Dictatorship (circa 1939)?

The only ones promoting fascism are you Marxists. Who is in this thread seeking to end the Bill of Rights? Not I, nor any American, just you Communists.

You really need to get an education. Here is a very good write up of what Fascism is .

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

I know you won't read it since it won't agree with your cornball way of thinking (And Rush doesn't want you to) so I will just add a few bullet points of what it takes to be a Fascist. This is from Paxton's "The Five Stages of Fascism" dated 1998 and also from his book 2005 "The Anatomy of Fascism".

1. The primacy of the group. Supporting the group feels more important than maintaining either individual or universal rights.
2. Believing that one's group is a victim. This justifies any behavior against the group's enemies.
3. The belief that individualism and liberalism enable dangerous decadence and have a negative effect on the group.
4. A strong sense of community or brotherhood. This brotherhood's "unity and purity are forged by common conviction, if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary."
5. Individual self-esteem is tied up in the grandeur of the group. Paxton called this an "enhanced sense of identity and belonging."
6. Extreme support of a "natural" leader, who is always male. This results in one man taking on the role of national savior.
7. "The beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle," Paxton wrote. The idea of a naturally superior group or, especially in Hitler's case, biological racism, fits into a fascist interpretation of Darwinism.

Once in power, "fascist dictatorships suppressed individual liberties, imprisoned opponents, forbade strikes, authorized unlimited police power in the name of national unity and revival, and committed military aggression," Paxton wrote.

Looks s to me it sums up the Party of the Rump pretty well.

Ah, the big lie, how very clever.

Tell me Comrade; If we take a system where the state has absolute control of the means of production using central planning to determine what products are produced and what price they are sold for, where an authoritarian state rules under dictatorship of either a single man or a group of rulers, where the rights of individuals are subverted to the privilege of groups, where individualism in general is oppressed in favor of the collective, where any competing political or economic ideas are suppressed by the state, where the press is controlled by the state or the party and operates to further the agenda of the rulers, where speech against the state or collectivism in general is a criminal offense; how does this substantially differ from the Marxism you promote?

Wow, you actually described Marxism pretty well. And you also pointed out why it can't exist. One person or a small group of people just can't control something as large as the United States Economically or it's Government. So I doubt if we have too many real Marxists in USMB at this time. You are just playing "Hey, look over there".

But, by definition, you ARE a Fascist.

Remember, kids, people who want the maximum amount of personal liberty for all citizens are fascists.

According to some retarded Marxist on the internet.

Killing 30,000 people a year is not personal liberty

 

[bigrebnc1775]

They won't allow themselves to be fired upon. They won't threaten their families and friends. That's a Commie wet dream.

They will be there to keep the peace. If a person starts firing away, they WILL fire. You know nothing about the Military. These are not Civilians. If no one fires then they will stand at Parade Rest during the whole confrontation. But they WILL return fire when fired on.

I know nothing about the military, even though I served 20 years in uniform?

You are such a dumbass.

Meanwhile, let's see what a VA National Guardsman has to say:

National Guardsman: "We will not comply" if ordered by Virginia governor to arrest police, confiscate guns

Eat shit, leftist totalitarian. The military does not support your bullshit.

LOL
Let’s see how far that one goes

Oh, look -- another leftist who wants to use government violence.

You guys have a very limited repertoire: Tax it, regulate it -- or kill it.

The way it will go down is, there will be no firing on Civilians. The State Police comes in and arrests the Sheriffs and Police Chiefs and hands them over to the State Prosecutors and Grand Juries. They are tried, removed from their offices. Then the new office holders take over the jobs. If the new office holders do the same thing, rinse, repeat as necessary. There are not shots fired.

Your blood lust is showing, Comrade.

That's where you are mistaken the Sheriff has the authority to run the state troopers out of his county.

 

[rightwinger]

These are the new anti-gun laws that the Virginia Dimocrats are set to pass ASAP.

Here's the List of Bills Anti-Gunners Plan to Enact in Virginia - GunsAmerica Digest

The list from local news affiliate WSET:

• Legislation requiring background checks on all firearms sales and transactions. The bill mandates that any person selling, renting, trading, or transferring a firearm must first obtain the results of a background check before completing the transaction.
• Legislation banning dangerous weapons. This will include bans on assault weapons, high-capacity magazines, bump stocks and silencers.
• Legislation to reinstate Virginia’s successful law allowing only one handgun purchase within a 30-day period.
• Legislation requiring that lost and stolen firearms be reported to law enforcement within 24 hours.
• Legislation creating an Extreme Risk Protective Order, allowing law enforcement and the courts to temporarily separate a person from firearms if the person exhibits dangerous behavior that presents an immediate threat to self or others.
• Legislation prohibiting all individuals subject to final protective orders from possessing firearms. The bill expands Virginia law which
• prohibits individuals subject to final protective orders of family abuse from possessing firearms.
• Legislation enhancing the punishment for allowing access to loaded, unsecured firearm by a child from a Class 3 Misdemeanor to a Class 6 felony. The bill also raises the age of the child from 14 to 18.
• Legislation enabling localities to enact any firearms ordinances that are stricter than state law. This includes regulating firearm's in municipal buildings, libraries and at permitted events.

The reason the proposed Virginia Bills are not reasonable is because the Second Amendment was put in place so that your average citizens could form regulated militias that would be an effective deterrence to a tyrannical government whether foreign...or..."domestic." Thus, such weapons would be small arms that would be an actual deterrence. Semi-automatic firearms in the hands of millions of citizens would be such a deterrence.

Well regulated militias were to defend our nation not attack our government

 

[daveman]

They won't allow themselves to be fired upon. They won't threaten their families and friends. That's a Commie wet dream.

They will be there to keep the peace. If a person starts firing away, they WILL fire. You know nothing about the Military. These are not Civilians. If no one fires then they will stand at Parade Rest during the whole confrontation. But they WILL return fire when fired on.

I know nothing about the military, even though I served 20 years in uniform?

You are such a dumbass.

Meanwhile, let's see what a VA National Guardsman has to say:

National Guardsman: "We will not comply" if ordered by Virginia governor to arrest police, confiscate guns

Eat shit, leftist totalitarian. The military does not support your bullshit.

LOL
Let’s see how far that one goes

Oh, look -- another leftist who wants to use government violence.

You guys have a very limited repertoire: Tax it, regulate it -- or kill it.

The way it will go down is, there will be no firing on Civilians. The State Police comes in and arrests the Sheriffs and Police Chiefs and hands them over to the State Prosecutors and Grand Juries. They are tried, removed from their offices. Then the new office holders take over the jobs. If the new office holders do the same thing, rinse, repeat as necessary. There are not shots fired.

Your blood lust is showing, Comrade.

You really love the taste of government dick, don't you?

Run along, Comrade.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The only ones promoting fascism are you Marxists. Who is in this thread seeking to end the Bill of Rights? Not I, nor any American, just you Communists.

Fascists are right wing and always have been. You really need to get educated. If you mean Marxists, call it Marxist. Fascism is the exact opposite of a Marxist. I know you won't read this but here is one of the best write ups I have ever seen by some very learned people.

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

Here is some bullet points. And you do full

The only ones promoting fascism are you Marxists. Who is in this thread seeking to end the Bill of Rights? Not I, nor any American, just you Communists.

You really need to get an education. Here is a very good write up of what Fascism is .

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

I know you won't read it since it won't agree with your cornball way of thinking (And Rush doesn't want you to) so I will just add a few bullet points of what it takes to be a Fascist. This is from Paxton's "The Five Stages of Fascism" dated 1998 and also from his book 2005 "The Anatomy of Fascism".

1. The primacy of the group. Supporting the group feels more important than maintaining either individual or universal rights.
2. Believing that one's group is a victim. This justifies any behavior against the group's enemies.
3. The belief that individualism and liberalism enable dangerous decadence and have a negative effect on the group.
4. A strong sense of community or brotherhood. This brotherhood's "unity and purity are forged by common conviction, if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary."
5. Individual self-esteem is tied up in the grandeur of the group. Paxton called this an "enhanced sense of identity and belonging."
6. Extreme support of a "natural" leader, who is always male. This results in one man taking on the role of national savior.
7. "The beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle," Paxton wrote. The idea of a naturally superior group or, especially in Hitler's case, biological racism, fits into a fascist interpretation of Darwinism.

Once in power, "fascist dictatorships suppressed individual liberties, imprisoned opponents, forbade strikes, authorized unlimited police power in the name of national unity and revival, and committed military aggression," Paxton wrote.

Looks s to me it sums up the Party of the Rump pretty well.

Ah, the big lie, how very clever.

Tell me Comrade; If we take a system where the state has absolute control of the means of production using central planning to determine what products are produced and what price they are sold for, where an authoritarian state rules under dictatorship of either a single man or a group of rulers, where the rights of individuals are subverted to the privilege of groups, where individualism in general is oppressed in favor of the collective, where any competing political or economic ideas are suppressed by the state, where the press is controlled by the state or the party and operates to further the agenda of the rulers, where speech against the state or collectivism in general is a criminal offense; how does this substantially differ from the Marxism you promote?

Wow, you actually described Marxism pretty well. And you also pointed out why it can't exist. One person or a small group of people just can't control something as large as the United States Economically or it's Government. So I doubt if we have too many real Marxists in USMB at this time. You are just playing "Hey, look over there".

But, by definition, you ARE a Fascist.

Remember, kids, people who want the maximum amount of personal liberty for all citizens are fascists.

According to some retarded Marxist on the internet.

Killing 30,000 people a year is not personal liberty

Well driving drunk is already illegal why don't we ban cars?

 

[daveman]

You project your totalitarian wishes, Comrade. Why do you hate America? Is it because no one kisses your ass in the manner to which you believe you're entitled? Do you think you'll be given a seat on the Politburo?

Considering YOU support Rump who is just in LOVE with Putin and a couple of other not so nice characters, it appears YOU are the comrade in this discussion, Ivan.

And I hate the American you are trying to project. It's not the one that existed for over 200 years. Not the one that our Fore Fathers envisioned and certainly not what the Constitution of the United States Embodies. I love that one that our FFs envisioned and the Constitution tries to continue.

So, Ivan, you can check your hate at the door. I have paid a much higher price for America than you have. And I knew people that paid even a higher price than I have. You get to preach your hate speech because WE paid the price to allow you to have that freedom. It's a shame you squander that cost so readily.

You lie. Every single thing you say is a lie.

The America our Founding Fathers gave to us was a nation of individual liberties. That's the America I support.

But you hate that. You want to eliminate freedoms because you think you know better than everyone what they need. And you think that what everyone needs is to be ruled by leftists.

When that doesn't happen -- and it won't -- are you going to pick up a weapon and get your hands dirty, Comrade? Are you going to put your life where your big fat ego is?

No. You'll do like you've always done: You'll sit on your couch, bitching on the internet that it's not faaaaaair that people won't do like you tell them, wishing you were a man.

Boy, you're destined to go through life bitter and disappointed. No one's going to hand you what you think you deserve, and you're too big a pussy to get it yourself.

I invested 20+ years in the US Military. Sounds like you invested at least that many years watching Rush and Hannity. I will admit I do a lot of sitting these days but I earned that right. But I also earned your right to make a damned fool of yourself like you do. So keep making a damned fool of yourself so I'll know my investment was well spent.

20 years USAF, bitch. I earned a lot, too -- including the right to call Commie bastards what they are.

Then you should know better.

I do know better. I know better than to call for Constitutionally-guaranteed rights to be removed by government violence.

Commie bastard.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

These are the new anti-gun laws that the Virginia Dimocrats are set to pass ASAP.

Here's the List of Bills Anti-Gunners Plan to Enact in Virginia - GunsAmerica Digest

The list from local news affiliate WSET:

• Legislation requiring background checks on all firearms sales and transactions. The bill mandates that any person selling, renting, trading, or transferring a firearm must first obtain the results of a background check before completing the transaction.
• Legislation banning dangerous weapons. This will include bans on assault weapons, high-capacity magazines, bump stocks and silencers.
• Legislation to reinstate Virginia’s successful law allowing only one handgun purchase within a 30-day period.
• Legislation requiring that lost and stolen firearms be reported to law enforcement within 24 hours.
• Legislation creating an Extreme Risk Protective Order, allowing law enforcement and the courts to temporarily separate a person from firearms if the person exhibits dangerous behavior that presents an immediate threat to self or others.
• Legislation prohibiting all individuals subject to final protective orders from possessing firearms. The bill expands Virginia law which
• prohibits individuals subject to final protective orders of family abuse from possessing firearms.
• Legislation enhancing the punishment for allowing access to loaded, unsecured firearm by a child from a Class 3 Misdemeanor to a Class 6 felony. The bill also raises the age of the child from 14 to 18.
• Legislation enabling localities to enact any firearms ordinances that are stricter than state law. This includes regulating firearm's in municipal buildings, libraries and at permitted events.

The reason the proposed Virginia Bills are not reasonable is because the Second Amendment was put in place so that your average citizens could form regulated militias that would be an effective deterrence to a tyrannical government whether foreign...or..."domestic." Thus, such weapons would be small arms that would be an actual deterrence. Semi-automatic firearms in the hands of millions of citizens would be such a deterrence.

Well regulated militias were to defend our nation not attack our government

Actually it was to defend against a tyrannical government.

 

[daveman]

They will be there to keep the peace. If a person starts firing away, they WILL fire. You know nothing about the Military. These are not Civilians. If no one fires then they will stand at Parade Rest during the whole confrontation. But they WILL return fire when fired on.

You Communists always have the delusion that the military will join you in overthrowing the Constitution of the United States. When the time comes, and it will be soon, you will find out dramatically and fatally, otherwise. You see Comrade, most in the military take the oath they swore to defend the Constitution you so bitterly hate, seriously.

Tell me, Comrade, just how many years did you invest in the Military. And in what Country. I invested over 20 years in the United States Military. You always treat Career Veterans this poorly when they disagree with you? I am part of a small percentage of American Patriots and we each one have our own ideas and we don't have anyone dictating what those ideals are. They are our individual ideals. What you are demanding of us is that we toe the mark that YOU have set. If that's not totalitarian I don't know what is. Fascism can be a good thing like Franco had but you are pulling a 1939 Mussolini version and that was a sickness. No wonder you worship Rump.

20 years, USAF. You can put your VA card away now, Comrade.

Again, if this were true, you should know better. If you ARE part of this very exclusive club, you should treat other Club Members much better than you do. Stop drinking the Orange Koolaid and rejoin our exclusive club and treat others in the club with more respect.

Oh, you whiny bitch. You want respect? Then earn it. Shitting on the Constitution is no way to earn respect.

 

[daveman]

You see comrade, I did not "set the mark" of the Constitution, the brilliant founders of this nation did.

The only ones promoting fascism are you Marxists. Who is in this thread seeking to end the Bill of Rights? Not I, nor any American, just you Communists.

Show where I support revocation or crippling of the bill or rights, as you support in this thread? You can't, you're lying.

Fascists are right wing and always have been. You really need to get educated. If you mean Marxists, call it Marxist. Fascism is the exact opposite of a Marxist.

The America our Founding Fathers gave to us was a nation of individual liberties. That's the America I support.

20 years USAF, bitch. I earned a lot, too -- including the right to call Commie bastards what they are.

So where were all you folks when they passed the PA?

~S~

Not supporting it. Where were you?

 

[rightwinger]

Fascists are right wing and always have been. You really need to get educated. If you mean Marxists, call it Marxist. Fascism is the exact opposite of a Marxist. I know you won't read this but here is one of the best write ups I have ever seen by some very learned people.

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

Here is some bullet points. And you do full
You really need to get an education. Here is a very good write up of what Fascism is .

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

I know you won't read it since it won't agree with your cornball way of thinking (And Rush doesn't want you to) so I will just add a few bullet points of what it takes to be a Fascist. This is from Paxton's "The Five Stages of Fascism" dated 1998 and also from his book 2005 "The Anatomy of Fascism".

1. The primacy of the group. Supporting the group feels more important than maintaining either individual or universal rights.
2. Believing that one's group is a victim. This justifies any behavior against the group's enemies.
3. The belief that individualism and liberalism enable dangerous decadence and have a negative effect on the group.
4. A strong sense of community or brotherhood. This brotherhood's "unity and purity are forged by common conviction, if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary."
5. Individual self-esteem is tied up in the grandeur of the group. Paxton called this an "enhanced sense of identity and belonging."
6. Extreme support of a "natural" leader, who is always male. This results in one man taking on the role of national savior.
7. "The beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle," Paxton wrote. The idea of a naturally superior group or, especially in Hitler's case, biological racism, fits into a fascist interpretation of Darwinism.

Once in power, "fascist dictatorships suppressed individual liberties, imprisoned opponents, forbade strikes, authorized unlimited police power in the name of national unity and revival, and committed military aggression," Paxton wrote.

Looks s to me it sums up the Party of the Rump pretty well.

Ah, the big lie, how very clever.

Tell me Comrade; If we take a system where the state has absolute control of the means of production using central planning to determine what products are produced and what price they are sold for, where an authoritarian state rules under dictatorship of either a single man or a group of rulers, where the rights of individuals are subverted to the privilege of groups, where individualism in general is oppressed in favor of the collective, where any competing political or economic ideas are suppressed by the state, where the press is controlled by the state or the party and operates to further the agenda of the rulers, where speech against the state or collectivism in general is a criminal offense; how does this substantially differ from the Marxism you promote?

Wow, you actually described Marxism pretty well. And you also pointed out why it can't exist. One person or a small group of people just can't control something as large as the United States Economically or it's Government. So I doubt if we have too many real Marxists in USMB at this time. You are just playing "Hey, look over there".

But, by definition, you ARE a Fascist.

Remember, kids, people who want the maximum amount of personal liberty for all citizens are fascists.

According to some retarded Marxist on the internet.

Killing 30,000 people a year is not personal liberty

Well driving drunk is already illegal why don't we ban cars?

We register cars, make them safer to drive, insure them, license drivers....it makes us safer

We need to do the same with guns

 

[sparky]

This whole 'have gun and i'm free' 2 dimensional mentality is exactly how to control the masses

~S~

 

[daveman]

The only ones promoting fascism are you Marxists. Who is in this thread seeking to end the Bill of Rights? Not I, nor any American, just you Communists.

Fascists are right wing and always have been. You really need to get educated. If you mean Marxists, call it Marxist. Fascism is the exact opposite of a Marxist. I know you won't read this but here is one of the best write ups I have ever seen by some very learned people.

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

Here is some bullet points. And you do full

The only ones promoting fascism are you Marxists. Who is in this thread seeking to end the Bill of Rights? Not I, nor any American, just you Communists.

You really need to get an education. Here is a very good write up of what Fascism is .

What Is Fascism? | Live Science

I know you won't read it since it won't agree with your cornball way of thinking (And Rush doesn't want you to) so I will just add a few bullet points of what it takes to be a Fascist. This is from Paxton's "The Five Stages of Fascism" dated 1998 and also from his book 2005 "The Anatomy of Fascism".

1. The primacy of the group. Supporting the group feels more important than maintaining either individual or universal rights.
2. Believing that one's group is a victim. This justifies any behavior against the group's enemies.
3. The belief that individualism and liberalism enable dangerous decadence and have a negative effect on the group.
4. A strong sense of community or brotherhood. This brotherhood's "unity and purity are forged by common conviction, if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary."
5. Individual self-esteem is tied up in the grandeur of the group. Paxton called this an "enhanced sense of identity and belonging."
6. Extreme support of a "natural" leader, who is always male. This results in one man taking on the role of national savior.
7. "The beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle," Paxton wrote. The idea of a naturally superior group or, especially in Hitler's case, biological racism, fits into a fascist interpretation of Darwinism.

Once in power, "fascist dictatorships suppressed individual liberties, imprisoned opponents, forbade strikes, authorized unlimited police power in the name of national unity and revival, and committed military aggression," Paxton wrote.

Looks s to me it sums up the Party of the Rump pretty well.

Ah, the big lie, how very clever.

Tell me Comrade; If we take a system where the state has absolute control of the means of production using central planning to determine what products are produced and what price they are sold for, where an authoritarian state rules under dictatorship of either a single man or a group of rulers, where the rights of individuals are subverted to the privilege of groups, where individualism in general is oppressed in favor of the collective, where any competing political or economic ideas are suppressed by the state, where the press is controlled by the state or the party and operates to further the agenda of the rulers, where speech against the state or collectivism in general is a criminal offense; how does this substantially differ from the Marxism you promote?

Wow, you actually described Marxism pretty well. And you also pointed out why it can't exist. One person or a small group of people just can't control something as large as the United States Economically or it's Government. So I doubt if we have too many real Marxists in USMB at this time. You are just playing "Hey, look over there".

But, by definition, you ARE a Fascist.

Remember, kids, people who want the maximum amount of personal liberty for all citizens are fascists.

According to some retarded Marxist on the internet.

Killing 30,000 people a year is not personal liberty

Maybe you guys could practice by, say, taking guns away from criminals.

Hop to it.

 

[JimBowie1958]

This whole 'have gun and i'm free' 2 dimensional mentality is exactly how to control the masses

~S~

It is one piece of a larger mosaic, but a completely NECESSARY component.

 

[daveman]

These are the new anti-gun laws that the Virginia Dimocrats are set to pass ASAP.

Here's the List of Bills Anti-Gunners Plan to Enact in Virginia - GunsAmerica Digest

The list from local news affiliate WSET:

• Legislation requiring background checks on all firearms sales and transactions. The bill mandates that any person selling, renting, trading, or transferring a firearm must first obtain the results of a background check before completing the transaction.
• Legislation banning dangerous weapons. This will include bans on assault weapons, high-capacity magazines, bump stocks and silencers.
• Legislation to reinstate Virginia’s successful law allowing only one handgun purchase within a 30-day period.
• Legislation requiring that lost and stolen firearms be reported to law enforcement within 24 hours.
• Legislation creating an Extreme Risk Protective Order, allowing law enforcement and the courts to temporarily separate a person from firearms if the person exhibits dangerous behavior that presents an immediate threat to self or others.
• Legislation prohibiting all individuals subject to final protective orders from possessing firearms. The bill expands Virginia law which
• prohibits individuals subject to final protective orders of family abuse from possessing firearms.
• Legislation enhancing the punishment for allowing access to loaded, unsecured firearm by a child from a Class 3 Misdemeanor to a Class 6 felony. The bill also raises the age of the child from 14 to 18.
• Legislation enabling localities to enact any firearms ordinances that are stricter than state law. This includes regulating firearm's in municipal buildings, libraries and at permitted events.

The reason the proposed Virginia Bills are not reasonable is because the Second Amendment was put in place so that your average citizens could form regulated militias that would be an effective deterrence to a tyrannical government whether foreign...or..."domestic." Thus, such weapons would be small arms that would be an actual deterrence. Semi-automatic firearms in the hands of millions of citizens would be such a deterrence.

Well regulated militias were to defend our nation not attack our government

George Washington says you're full of shit.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Anyone else here go through NIMS?
I came away with this gun theory

More the illusion of it 'we the people' seem to be under

Depends what manner of control you're describing. Maybe you should pick one...

Insurrection?

Natural Disaster?

Alien invasion?

Under the PA, the executive branch rules over two branches of Gub'Mit in a national emergency. Yes we've had ongoing 'national emergencies' for a generation now, no,no one potus has pulled that card ...


yet any given potus could....

It's a stretch, but Trump could declare his impeachment process a national emergency,and have Pelsoi along with his Dems of choice jailed as traitors to the state.

Potentially, the totalitarianism you loath, would be welcomed by a good amount of our populace's jingoists

~S~

It was said that the house was abusing its authority.

Yes, the Communists in the house have abused power by impeaching a president for the express purpose of influencing and corrupting an election. Now the scum are obstructing congress by refusing to obey the Constitution and send it to the senate. democrats are traitors, enemies of America.

Since the Senate ruling Party has already stated (Moscow Mitch) that they will NOT give a fair trial, sending it to the Senate would be a sham. Better to just let it hang and let the Voters decide. Or are you afraid of the Voters. One would think that the Senate Republicans would have kept their mouths shut, had the sham trial, exonerated Rump and let it die. But no, they have to play to the 36% till death. There are costs involved that if they had gone through the motions that they would not necessarily had to pay. Pretty much, the GOP in the Congress has now died and moved to the Party of the Rump.

Since Congress won't do it's job, we now rely on the Voter to do theirs. And I have a feeling not a lot of Washington Power Brokers are going to like it on either side fo the isle.

And why would the Senate do anything but treat the abuse of power by the Communists for what it is? Election tampering.

You had your Soviet Star Chamber, followed by your Stalinist Show Trial. You offered no evidence of wrong doing and brought out a parade of Marxist academics who spewed hate at the President. In the end, you found no high crimes or misdemeanors and charged the president with your own misdeeds of abusing power and obstructing congress.


{“McConnell should immediately put an end to this and declare the impeachment null and void as the speaker has failed to complete the impeachment process by timely sending it to the Senate for adjudication. McConnell has no less authority to unilaterally make such a decision than Pelosi does to withhold the administrative notification of an impeachment to the Senate either indefinitely or [with] conditions. Her effort to cripple the presidency [and] blackmail the Senate must be defeated.} Mark Levin, esq.

The Trial has yet to be done. The Trial is done by the Senate. The House only does the investigation and levels the charges. And Moscow Mitch has already said that the Senate was NOT going to have a fair trial. So the House holds the paperwork and gives it to the Voters. And that scares the hell out of you, doesn't it.

OK. so why was it so important to get it done, if Nasty Pelousy would be sitting on them?

Dumbass libtards!

Nasty will get her comeuppance and when the Articles are delivered and the Senate passes a motion to dismiss and it passes on a partly line vote. Thus endeth the fiasco.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Sensible gun control

Is hitting what you're aiming at.

 

[sparky]

This whole 'have gun and i'm free' 2 dimensional mentality is exactly how to control the masses

~S~

It is one piece of a larger mosaic, but a completely NECESSARY component.

agreed mosaic Jim

but not a stretch ,consider an armed populace that's deputized via fema (which is exactly what NIMS is about) , then given their marching orders by our military under a national emergency by someone abusive potus in power

the legislation exists to have this happen here

~S~

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Nobody is going door to door confiscating guns

Not yet

What will happen is certain guns and accessories will be declared illegal.

long history of it already>

• Firearm case law in the United States
• Gun law in the United States
• Gun politics in the United States
• Uniform Firearms Act

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Sensible gun control

Arizona has sensible gun control
You use it all the time on the gun range so what are you talking about?

 

[Uncensored2008]

This whole 'have gun and i'm free' 2 dimensional mentality is exactly how to control the masses

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The whole "disarm the peasants and I'm safe" two dimensional mentality is exactly how societies are enslaved.

The only ones protected by disarming the public are tyrants.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Ah, the big lie, how very clever.

Tell me Comrade; If we take a system where the state has absolute control of the means of production using central planning to determine what products are produced and what price they are sold for, where an authoritarian state rules under dictatorship of either a single man or a group of rulers, where the rights of individuals are subverted to the privilege of groups, where individualism in general is oppressed in favor of the collective, where any competing political or economic ideas are suppressed by the state, where the press is controlled by the state or the party and operates to further the agenda of the rulers, where speech against the state or collectivism in general is a criminal offense; how does this substantially differ from the Marxism you promote?

Wow, you actually described Marxism pretty well. And you also pointed out why it can't exist. One person or a small group of people just can't control something as large as the United States Economically or it's Government. So I doubt if we have too many real Marxists in USMB at this time. You are just playing "Hey, look over there".

But, by definition, you ARE a Fascist.

Remember, kids, people who want the maximum amount of personal liberty for all citizens are fascists.

According to some retarded Marxist on the internet.

Killing 30,000 people a year is not personal liberty

Well driving drunk is already illegal why don't we ban cars?

We register cars, make them safer to drive, insure them, license drivers....it makes us safer

We need to do the same with guns

There is no alternative but to register your vehicles because (repeat after me)
DRIVING IS A PRIVILEGE NOT A RIGHT.